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As mentioned in one of my other threads I have decided that if I get an optic for my ar, I'm going aimpoint. The only issue is that I'm still a little short on money. I just got my flyer from midway and I see that they have an aimpoint 9000 for only $250. I know a camo aimpoint would look goofy on a black rifle, but I don't really mind. I was just curious if there is a reason that this wouldn't be as good as the aimpoints traditionally used on ar rifles(m2,m3,t1). The only difference I could think of is that I would probably have to use rings to support it at two points, or would a Larue LT-150 work? What do you guys say?
By the way, here's the link to it.
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=425182&t=11082005
I have one of those in black, originally purchased for my M1 Carbine:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/Spodeley/Sportsman/Carbine/9000SC_600.jpg
it now resides on my rifle:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/Spodeley/Sportsman/Noveske/DSC02492.jpg
I had a heck of a time getting it aligned properly in the rings because there are no witness marks to indicate vertical/horizontal, and the flats on the body aren't quite flat either, so a click or two left or right also was a half-click up or down.
It was a bit of a chore to get it adjusted right.
My range is 200-yards but I zeroed and shot these at 50 because I was lazy and didn't want to have to walk so far, and I was still getting a bit of up-click with the right-click.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/Spodeley/Sportsman/Noveske/DSC02478_crop02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/Spodeley/Sportsman/Noveske/DSC02486.jpg
It's a good scope IMO.
What height of rings are those and what kind of co-witness do you get with them?
They're low. I don't know the exact height and I can't find the package they came in - but the co-witness is high in the glass, like 2/3rds. Since the N4's Lo-Pro sights fold down I wasn't using them. They're unnoticed in the sight-picture until they're raised.
I wasn't thinking too much about it when I bought them. I was impulsive and just wanted for utility purposes (and cost-savings: 1 scope, two carbines, One Wife - certain demands...), to be able to easily swap the scope back and forth. Not gonna work.
Obviously there's a lot more to it. Sighting-in each one takes a while and takes-away a great deal from that perceived utility.
Having done so I *FULLY recognized* (DOH!) just how the great the difference of POI is between the two different carbines and their loads, and realized that this was just a practice exercise...
I'm going to return the National Postal Meter M1 Carbine to it's as-issued/as-received "originality." It actually shoots very well with it's sights - except for crappy non-GI CA-legal 10-round magazines and the feed problems they present.
Still it was nice to get some good groups. :-) I sighted-in and doing all my clicky-clicky work the left column of targets, and then shot for groups on the right ones.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for the help. The pics were helpful as well. I think it might try this. Go with the aimpoint out of midway, then get a pair of extra high rings from burris
http://www.swfa.com/pc-4655-633-burris-xtreme-tactical-30mm-rings.aspx
It should work out to a 1/3 co-witness since this is the ring height people were using on their burris speed dots. I know this isn't an optimal setup, but it should work for my needs and my budget.
Hi SoDak!
Sounds quite reasonable. I'm sorry I haven't read the other threads and your posts to them, my apologies.
1.) I had the mounts close to the very end of the flattop upper, so they didn't bridge the gap - I believe that's the advised method.
2.) Also what I didn't mention, the reason the fold down sights were down, was that they are sighted for 200-yards since that's my range distance and how I had shot it last and the front sight on the Noveske upper is the only one adjustable for distance - it's screwed out (upwards) about four turns to get the 200-yard X.
3.) As you can see from my results the groups were quite good - I'm not a great benchrest type guy and was fairly laissez-faire about it. Additionally I had it adjusted to hold dead-on (not a 6-O'Clock hold) and the 4-MOA dot obscured the bull of the pistol targets - still the results were very encouraging (to me anyhow!) IMO it's a very good sight and well worth the cost-savings.
4.) Just the difficulty and time spent making sure it was horizontal/vertical - without witness marks (do any of them have that?) it was a bit frustrating and time/ammo consuming - but once done, no problems.
My best wishes to you! :-)
-keith
I think the cheapest EOTech would be a better bargain as it is fast, lighter, and the dot is 1MOA. not to mention you get a 65MOA circle for up close shooting.
or consider a nicer used Aimpoint like this one for $275...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=23&t=566137
Well my aimpoint finally came from midway and I have to say that I'm happy with it. I stuck it on my savage scout just to get an idea of how it looks on a gun and it worked great. Now all I have to do is get some rings for it as the factory ones are way too low. As far as I can tell it is a very good deal seeing that all it really is, is a c3 that's a little longer and camo, but it only cost me $250.
...for 250. I don't think that can be beat...It's new and it's ugly-flage...What more can ya' ask for... http://emoticons4u.com/smoking/rauch06.gif
Well, I finally got the thing mounted and sighted in and I have to say that I am fairly pleased. The burris extra high rings do give something like a lower 1/3 cowitness. At fifty yards I would have to say that my shooting has improved over using irons although my one five shot group at 90 yards was terrible. Just need to practice a lot more is all. I would say that for the money (somewhere short of $350 with aimpoint, rings, and blizzard caps) that it was worth it. There are some drawbacks though, like maybe a 4 moa dot is too big and even though I mounted the aimpoint as far ahead as possible, I'm not sure if I can add a buis. One neat thing I found is that the lightening hole in the scope ring are big enough that I could fit an aimpoint battery in there. All I need to do is find a way to plug the hole effectively.
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