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Just ran across this today:
http://www.legionseries.com/
Looks like an re-run of some classic SIG stuff, and I hadn't heard of this line yet. Doesn't seem to be any info on the board, either. Marketing gimmicks aside, I've been thinking about getting a 229 in 9mm. Anybody have or seen one of these in the wild, and have an opinion on whether it's worth the extra coin? Thanks.
Seems like mostly marketing but I like the color. And I've long been tempted to get a 220 or 226 just to have one. I'm tempted to snag the SAO version.
Maiden3.16
10-06-15, 19:35
That looks badass...
I like it. Looks like Bruce was busy churning out stuff for them. Trigger and guide rod?
I was about to start this same thread. Got to play with a P226 Legion today at my favorite LGS. My high points/ takeaways were this: The trigger is from Bruce Gray with the SRT group behind it. The DA pull is very smooth and the SA is short and crisp, everything is polished from the factory. The guide rod is steel. The frame runs a X5 style undercut and it makes a difference, at least to me. The beavertail has been reshaped and isn't as long or pronounced as on the Elite series guns and the controls are smaller but still very usable. I don't see the issues I had with my older P229 Elite Dark with riding the slide release. The sights are Sigs version of Trijicon's HDs. I hope they make them for my P320s.
There is some marketing there but at least it isn't the "Hey, look at all the pretty colors we have" marketing of old. I will be buying one of these based on my limited experience today. Supposedly there will be more handguns and rifles in the Legion series. I'm looking forward to it.
I will have to concur. The Legion series isn't over the top and named Tactical Rattlesnake Special Ops or something... yet.
RAM Engineer
10-06-15, 21:52
Non-picatinny spec accessory rail.
I like the color of it but I will hold final judgement until I get to handle one as I just wonder if its going to be any better than my MK25 is now????
The Legion series has some nice upgrades over my old plain jane 226. I like it!
I never figured out why Sig makes P Series models with a beavertail though. I've never heard of anybody getting hammer bite with a Sig. It's like putting a chandelier in a porta-potty. It looks nice, but it just don't belong there.
Hmmm. I'd take that 229 as my duty weapon over my current issued version.
A 320 in that finish would be slick.
This is pretty awesome, would love to hear some more feedback. A nice shift from rainbow-colored guns and all that wonderful mess they've been marketing the past few years.
Don't care about the finish, but I would love a 229 in 9mm
WickedWillis
10-07-15, 11:36
I really like that P226.
I love the features, but would prefer their standard nitride coating and the e2 grips.
Just read my email from Topgun. Looks like they are selling for $1200-ish.
The Legion series has some nice upgrades over my old plain jane 226. I like it!
I never figured out why Sig makes P Series models with a beavertail though. I've never heard of anybody getting hammer bite with a Sig. It's like putting a chandelier in a porta-potty. It looks nice, but it just don't belong there.
Fwiw I've never been bit by any of my sigs BUT in those instances when my draw isn't 100% clean the tail seems to help me index my hand a touch better. Personally I think the factory ones are way oversized but this offering looks just about right.
I liked the beavertail coming from 1911s to my first Sig. Make indexing my hand super easy on the draw.
I agree with most of the others. They can keep the marketing crap, but there's some real substance there when it comes to the upgrades over the standard P series guns. I also think the beavertails look out of place on these guns, but at least there are pretty toned down.
The Legion series has some nice upgrades over my old plain jane 226. I like it!
I never figured out why Sig makes P Series models with a beavertail though. I've never heard of anybody getting hammer bite with a Sig. It's like putting a chandelier in a porta-potty. It looks nice, but it just don't belong there.
I prefer the beavertails, especially on the 229s. Hammer bite isn't the issue, it gives a better reference point than the standard little nub for grip out of the holster and aids in stability when firing. Most of my time with sigs has been behind a 228 but I prefer a Sig with a beavertail.
Just read my email from Topgun. Looks like they are selling for $1200-ish.
The gun range in Houston?
I prefer the beavertails, especially on the 229s. Hammer bite isn't the issue, it gives a better reference point than the standard little nub for grip out of the holster and aids in stability when firing. Most of my time with sigs has been behind a 228 but I prefer a Sig with a beavertail.
The only real knock I see is if you appendix carry. That tail is just begging to get snagged on something. Less of an issue in other strong side positions since it's to clear one's apparel.
Me likey. i have been wanting a p229 but a few things were holding me back. They pretty much covered them all. The beavertail I can live without but they radiused it so that is cool. Looks like I will be picking a p229 asap. May have to get rid of my vp9 to pick one up
MountainRaven
10-08-15, 00:00
I'm guessing that the P226 doesn't share the rail of the Mk25. If it did, I'd be thinking that it's about perfect.
Liking the color.
Hoping the grips and controls (well, slide lock/release, anyway) might become available aftermarket, so I can put them in my P229 SAS.
Looked at one today, the trigger reset is short, trigger pull is light and short and the overall finish is nice. Grips are a little weak but feels good in hand.
CanineCombatives
10-08-15, 13:07
The lo pro decocker and slide release are P224 parts
Looked at one today, the trigger reset is short, trigger pull is light and short and the overall finish is nice. Grips are a little weak but feels good in hand.
How much was it?
Psalms144.1
10-08-15, 20:43
How much was it?
I've seen them on line from $1080 up to MSRP+
I wouldn't even look at a LGS here, they want $600 for a Glock...
I need to compare the 226SAO Legion to my X5 Tactical. It looks intriguing.
snaggletooth
10-09-15, 18:54
Where can I get the slide stop... I just want the slide stop
Where can I get the slide stop... I just want the slide stop
From the P224.
556BlackRifle
10-10-15, 13:27
Wow... I like this pistol. I've been a Sig fan for years and have owned three. Still have one - a P228. I've been waiting a long time for something like this from Sig. My next pistol may be the Legion.
Just ran across this today:
http://www.legionseries.com/
Looks like an re-run of some classic SIG stuff, and I hadn't heard of this line yet. Doesn't seem to be any info on the board, either. Marketing gimmicks aside, I've been thinking about getting a 229 in 9mm. Anybody have or seen one of these in the wild, and have an opinion on whether it's worth the extra coin? Thanks.
In 9 it's hard to beat a 228. With the extra money you'll save send it to Robert Burke to have the trigger worked on.
The lo pro decocker and slide release are P224 parts
So the 224 parts work on the 226?
Handled one today at the lgs. Very nice with well thought out/value adding upgrades. Might grab one after people start reporting on them more.
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Anybody else notice that the official announcement said they would eventually include rifles in the Legion series?
So is this a permanent line or limited run?
Now just ditch all of the craptastic diamond plate crap.
The gun range in Houston?
Sorry, meant top gun supply..
Like the looks of it too sounds like some good modifications that are useful and not just cosmetic. What's the deal with the rail is it different than what was on the railed guns? Have not seen one yet but I've been considering either a 320 or a SAO version Sig I've got a few classics but would like to try something different.
Ed
Non-picatinny spec accessory rail.
The website specifies "picatinny".
It's not standard pic afaik. Like all the other railed 226 other than mk25.
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brickboy240
10-15-15, 10:24
Now THIS is the kind of variation I like seeing on SIG pistols....not rainbow colored 380s! LOL
Anyone know if the 9mm P229 will accept the mags I currently use in my 1991 made W. German P228?
I was always told that the older P228s and the newer P229 9mms used the same mags.
Also...anyone seen the "street" prices on these guns?
It all depends on if the gun uses the older 13 rd P228/P229 mags or the new P229-1 15 rd mags. I know that the M11-A1 uses the -1 mags and I'll be that the new Legion series will too.
Top Gun Supply has them for $1250 which is the best price I've seen on them so far and yes they were in stock the first of this week when I was looking up some Sig parts.
brickboy240
10-15-15, 10:53
I have both the stock SIG marked 13rd mags and the 15rd Mec Gar mags for my P228. Both seem to work just fine. In fact, the P228 has been one of the most reliable 9mms I have ever owned.
If the new Legion P229 uses my old 228 mags...I might consider looking at one.
Just looked them up and they use the 15 rd P229-1 mags. Your mags will most likely work but wont fit solid against the sides of the mag well as Sig widened the mag well to allow for a wider magazine which holds 15 rds instead of the normal 13 rd P228 mags. That'd be all up to you if you want to get one knowing that. I believe they come with 3 mags new so depending on how big of a mag whore you are will determine how many more you want.
I EDC a MK25 and use 18 rd Meg Gar mags instead of the factory 15 rd mags. I like the fact that they have a real base plate, no sharp corners, and they have 3 rds more but work in a standard gun (new or old) My range mags I still use the factory 15's tho.
brickboy240
10-15-15, 11:15
Well the mag issue is not a deal killer...but it would be nice to be able to use my 8 mags for the old P228.
I like the idea of this P229 and am used to a pistol with a similar manual of arms so yeah...the P229 9mm Legion is still very appealing.
I see they tend to be in the 1200 dollar range - not bad for the extras you get and if the thing runs well, it should sell.
They are on gunbroker for around $1099 shipped. Seen some start under 1k
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WickedWillis
10-16-15, 12:28
They are on gunbroker for around $1099 shipped. Seen some start under 1k
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Which is better than I anticipated they would be
brickboy240
10-16-15, 14:20
Yes, because at around 1400 bucks...it begins to be not a good deal, really.
I want those grips; I put the checkered G10 on all my Sigs anyways and being able to put the forward facing slide release would be really nice. That's my only complaint about my Sigs is that I accidentally hit the slide release 4/5 times on lock back and I think that would remedy that problem. I'll probably pick up one of these in SAO, I've been wanting one anyways and this gives me a good excuse..
brickboy240, I have a Ban-era P228 and both the OEM Sig mags & Mec Gar mags fit my modern made P229 Enhanced Elite. They have a little wiggle to them in the P229 mag well, but I never had a problem. The inverse is not true, the P229 mags won't physically fit into the P228 mag well so you won't be able to use your new mags in your older gun.
I handled both the 229 and 226 Legion today at my LGS. I ONLY wanted to say that I'd looked them over, but the 226 followed me right home. Extremely handsome pistol with a superb DA trigger. I'm really stoked about this SIG. Btw, I'm not new to SIG's, as I have several, but not like this.
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I handled both the 229 and 226 Legion today at my LGS. I ONLY wanted to say that I'd looked them over, but the 226 followed me right home. Extremely handsome pistol with a superb DA trigger. I'm really stoked about this SIG. Btw, I'm not new to SIG's, as I have several, but not like this.
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Grip wise did the g10 grips on the legion fill thinner or thicker than the standard grips found on the regular 226/229 offerings? Also was/is the rear tang cut higher than the regular guns in addition to the smaller profile Beaver tail?
I have an order in for a 9mm 229 legion with my dealer.
Assuming they're the same profile as the other G10 grips, they'll be thinner than the factory grips. They'll fall in between the factory grip & the E2 as far as circumference.
Assuming they're the same profile as the other G10 grips, they'll be thinner than the factory grips. They'll fall in between the factory grip & the E2 as far as circumference.
Understood. Much obliged.
Nightstalker865
10-18-15, 19:07
That Legion P226 is so tempting!
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CanineCombatives
10-19-15, 22:07
The only thing that could make it sexier is a threaded barrel.
The only thing that could make it sexier is a threaded barrel.
Aftermarket drop ins are available correct?
The only thing that could make it sexier is a threaded barrel.
Yeah was thinking the same thing, although I would have liked it if they had made an optic option like the S&W CORE.
Ed
Defaultmp3
10-20-15, 11:00
Be aware that a couple of the guys over at pistol-forum have been having some issues with canted sights:
http://i.imgbox.com/XjJFv1Vi.jpg
No contact yet with Sig to see what resolution there might be, but if you're picking one up, might wanna check for that.
CanineCombatives
10-24-15, 21:28
Finally got my hands on a 226 legion today, not much to add to whats already been written except for one thing,
the single action is incredibly good, and the reset has to be experienced, it's racegun short.
Andddd I now have a 226 on back order
Finally got my hands on a 226 legion today, not much to add to whats already been written except for one thing,
the single action is incredibly good, and the reset has to be experienced, it's racegun short.
The single action on the standard 226 Legion or the SAO version?
CanineCombatives
10-24-15, 23:03
SA/DA version, I dont think the SAO version has shipped yet.
Man these things do like nice, definitely like the lower profile controls. Think it was smart on Sig's part compared to some of their other 'special' editions which were just that.
I'd love to try the SAO version.
Ed
plouffedaddy
10-31-15, 05:41
SA/DA version, I dont think the SAO version has shipped yet.
When they do you'll know it because I'll post pictures of the one I order :D
When they do you'll know it because I'll post pictures of the one I order :D
Looking forward to your review.
Damn.. I saw the P226 selling for just a hair over $900 the other day. Now that I want one, the price has gone up $200.
Nightstalker865
10-31-15, 13:46
Damn.. I saw the P226 selling for just a hair over $900 the other day. Now that I want one, the price has gone up $200.
You saw a Legion series P226 for $900? That's impressive for sure. Cheapest I have found one for is $1050.
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CanineCombatives
10-31-15, 22:22
By all means point me toward the $900 deal since it's well below dealer cost.
I can confirm seeing one used for 900 at a huge gun dealer that frequents the show. I had to do a double take but it was a legion. Of course, it sold quickly.
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My LGS has both the 226 and 229. I handled and dry fired the 229, very nice trigger and asthetics. I'm not in the market for one but I can see how they will be in demand.
Man I sold my 229 and 226 about 5 years ago and haven't looked back but these things are starting to make me itch for sigs again
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I got the chance to shoot a Legion Saturday evening and to be honest I didn't really notice much difference between that and my MK25 with and SRT installed. I still like the grips on the Legion and hope that they will release them with either the SIG logo or no logo at all on them in the spring.
The only thing I don't like about the Legion series is that they didn't use a "Legacy" slide on them. Instead they used that damn long extractor, which directly from Sig, "the set of springs that are used in the extractor should be replaced every 2,500 rds" Yes, its only $12.00 in springs (if you add in the shipping) but the Legacy or short extractors will run 5,000 or more with no issues. Honestly that is really the only thing I got against the Legion series.
I got the chance to shoot a Legion Saturday evening and to be honest I didn't really notice much difference between that and my MK25 with and SRT installed. I still like the grips on the Legion and hope that they will release them with either the SIG logo or no logo at all on them in the spring.
The only thing I don't like about the Legion series is that they didn't use a "Legacy" slide on them. Instead they used that damn long extractor, which directly from Sig, "the set of springs that are used in the extractor should be replaced every 2,500 rds" Yes, its only $12.00 in springs (if you add in the shipping) but the Legacy or short extractors will run 5,000 or more with no issues. Honestly that is really the only thing I got against the Legion series.
Can you cite your source on the bit of information regarding the extractor? I have not found any literature indicating the extractor spring would need to be replaced that often. I have about 1200 rounds through my Legion 229. I shoot about 1000 rounds a month. So far I have had zero malfunctions or issues with gun.
Not mine but you how you feel when an attractive woman stands just so in front of you? Yea... This shot makes me feel like that. I'm looking forward to mine showing up.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/11/86e5db5a4adcdf16089248f4031e0e5a.jpg
WickedWillis
11-11-15, 13:09
Not mine but you how you feel when an attractive woman stands just so in front of you? Yea... This shot makes me feel like that. I'm looking forward to mine showing up.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/11/86e5db5a4adcdf16089248f4031e0e5a.jpg
I really want one.
Can you cite your source on the bit of information regarding the extractor? I have not found any literature indicating the extractor spring would need to be replaced that often. I have about 1200 rounds through my Legion 229. I shoot about 1000 rounds a month. So far I have had zero malfunctions or issues with gun.
I got that information from Sig customer service. I picked up a used M11-A1 and was having extractor issues. I asked if the springs could be ending their life and that's when the guy told me it was 2,500 rds for the long extractor and typically 5,000 for the Legacy (short extractor) Sig also says to change out the recoil spring at 5,000 rds too so it seems that the magic number is 5,000 or half of that.
I want a set of those sights for my Sig P220.
WickedWillis
11-12-15, 10:24
I want a set of those sights for my Sig P220.
Then just buy the Trijicon HD's, it's exactly what they based these sights off of.
I want a set of those sights for my Sig P220.
On Sig talk I saw that Sig wil be releasing the x Ray sights in both U and square notch configurations in the near future.
I might try and see if I can get a set of them early. I have a few other things to do to my P220 like the Grey Gun trigger kit, crown the barrel and then send it off to Robard for some protection around water and salt water environments.
MountainRaven
11-12-15, 20:52
On Sig talk I saw that Sig wil be releasing the x Ray sights in both U and square notch configurations in the near future.
They're already in their print "Electro-Optics" catalog.
MountainRaven
11-12-15, 20:52
Double-tap.
I got that information from Sig customer service. I picked up a used M11-A1 and was having extractor issues. I asked if the springs could be ending their life and that's when the guy told me it was 2,500 rds for the long extractor and typically 5,000 for the Legacy (short extractor) Sig also says to change out the recoil spring at 5,000 rds too so it seems that the magic number is 5,000 or half of that.
I think this is BS or someone got mixed up. I just didn't spend $1400 on a Legion to have to change out springs every other month. In the Sig FB group one of the armorers chimed in with this;
I took the Classic Line Armorers Course last June, on P. 76 of the manual Section 4.26 Parts Replacement Schedule the extractor spring is recommended for change at 20,000 rounds. There are actually two springs, an inner and an outer, the one fits inside the other making it very durable.
Bruce Gray also wondered where this 2500 number came from?
I want a set of those sights for my Sig P220.
I might try and see if I can get a set of them early. I have a few other things to do to my P220 like the Grey Gun trigger kit, crown the barrel and then send it off to Robard for some protection around water and salt water environments.
They're already in their print "Electro-Optics" catalog.
Their available from Brownells via preorder I saw online today.
Optics Planet has had them listed for awhile too. I'm not a huge fan of them though. I think the back sight is a bit too rounded for my taste, if my gun didn't come with them I would have just gone with HD's or Ameriglos. Here's a pic of my Legion 229 and my P320C comparing the two.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/mstarmer/20151027-DSC_2030.jpg (http://s245.photobucket.com/user/mstarmer/media/20151027-DSC_2030.jpg.html)
Here's a pic of my Legion 229 and my P320C comparing the two.
Very jealous, as one of these two pistols will be my next purchase. The 320c makes much more sense but I'm lusting after that Legion 229.
Easy choice, if you're a DA/SA fan get the Legion, if you're a striker guy get the P320! I wanted ONE good hammer fired 9mm, so that's why I got the Legion. But for EDC I'm a striker guy and the P320 and it's modular design is a winner for me. In fact I bought three of them, two full size X-change kits and a couple of extra Grip Modules. One gun gets it done.
Very jealous, as one of these two pistols will be my next purchase. The 320c makes much more sense but I'm lusting after that Legion 229.
If it makes you feel better I have all four on order. 226/229 legion and 320C/F.
I have a pretty full "deck". Dealers choice?
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/mstarmer/sigsunday.jpg (http://s245.photobucket.com/user/mstarmer/media/sigsunday.jpg.html)
Easy choice, if you're a DA/SA fan get the Legion, if you're a striker guy get the P320! I wanted ONE good hammer fired 9mm, so that's why I got the Legion. But for EDC I'm a striker guy and the P320 and it's modular design is a winner for me. In fact I bought three of them, two full size X-change kits and a couple of extra Grip Modules. One gun gets it done.
My duty weapon is a P220 that is being replaced with a P320 .45 as soon as Safariland can get the duty holsters unf***ed. I prefer striker fired, but I've carried a DA/SA for the better part of 15 years. I'm looking to supplement my duty P320 with a 9mm version for cheap training/shooting/carry.
But I'm lusting after that P229 Legion. Played with a 226 Legion in .40 today and it felt fantastic.
If it makes you feel better I have all four on order. 226/229 legion and 320C/F.
Damn... That's awesome. I think if I had that much to drop all at once on handguns it'd be on a Wilson Combat CQB. I'm a sucker for a good 1911. Then I'd start this same conversation over again about getting a P320.
I'd like to see them do a 229 in SAO, I'd much prefer a SAO and maybe the 226 is going to be it.
Ed
Anybody heard when the 226 SAO's start shipping?
Anybody heard when the 226 SAO's start shipping?
That's the one i'm interested in. I'm so glad Sig finally started making their slide release swoop forward toward the muzzle rather than backward.
I'm anxiously waiting to see a Legion MCX and MPX. I can't help but drool a little when i think of one in their legion grey coating and maybe a geissele trigger, fully ambi lower (bolt catch/release as well as magazine release) and whatever other goodies they decide to throw in.
I forget where I saw this one, but oh well.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/18/f7b4b0c16796ce487879b4f49ed4a32e.jpg
Sig just posted this bad boy on Instagram. Allegedly now shipping.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/RikkiTikkiGTO/346E6550-729D-4E15-B0FA-D923DC464FC4.png.jpeg (http://s109.photobucket.com/user/RikkiTikkiGTO/media/346E6550-729D-4E15-B0FA-D923DC464FC4.png.jpeg.html)
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