View Full Version : Is the USP series still relevant today?
Dionysusigma
10-15-15, 18:33
I've been admittedly itching for a USP lately, but have been waffling back and forth as to whether it would be a good decision.
They're as reliable and accurate as they've always been, and have a classiness all their own, but still... they're ergonomically outdated, still use their proprietary accessory attachment method, and magazines/holsters/parts/accessories are accordingly more expensive than many others now available.
To be specific, I've been looking at a USP 45T (or, if you prefer, the Mk 23 SOCOM Compact). I know the Hk45T addresses everything I'd be looking for, but 1) it's not a USP, and 2) it doesn't answer the original question: is the USP still a solid contender for a serious-use pistol?
If it means anything, I already have a VP9 with a lot of rounds and time spent on it (so something like the magazine release isn't anything I have an issue with).
The USP is an ergonomic nightmare and unreasonably large. I have very big hands - the USP is too big.
That said, they are still good semi auto pistols. What are you using it for? If nothing in particular beyond just having one, then buy it.
I own and carry 3 USPs and am a HK fan in general so I am biased, but I think the USP is a perfectly viable option today. They seem large, but in reality a full size USP 9 is the same size as a Glock 17, and a USP 9 compact is the same size as a Glock 19.
Ergonomics are subjective, and I actually prefer the ergonomics of my 45T to the 1911 it replaced.
Accessories are one area that can be a pain with USP pistols. Holsters (especially light bearing) are a pain to find, magazines can be quite expensive depending on the model, and sight options are limited.
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My USP .45C was an addition to a collection where it remains my only .45. I have carry guns, but like you I just wanted the USP. I like the gun, but as others have stated and it sounds like you know, it's not the most practical gun to own, shoot, and especially carry. Lights are a pain, holsters are a pain, as above stated, but it hasn't been mentioned yet that the magazines are staggeringly expensive. For what it's worth, I like the controls but that's highly subjective so none of us can address that for you.
Even though I have no regrets about buying my USP, I'd still ask anyone considering one today if they really know what they're getting into. It sounds like you probably do, so it's your choice.
.45 in general is an outdated design IMO. I'd only choose a .45 if I was going to run a 1911 or wanted it suppressed.
If you really wanted a compact .45 and an HK why not just get the HK45c?
are they relevant today? Yes but there are better models from HK that will be more relevant today. The HK45 or the HK P30 will be more ergonomic and allow the use of any M1913 railed component such as lights and lasers where the USP has to use either an outdated light or an adapter for the rail. If they had a pic rail then I would love to own another USP but since they dont I upgraded. Still a great weapon and still very relevant in my opinion.
brickboy240
10-16-15, 10:48
People still buy and run the 92 Beretta, so why wouldn't the USP still be relative?
There are better choices but they do run well and that alone will sell the guns.
I guess that depends on you. I'm sure there are guys out there who can shoot circles around me with a USP, even though I personally wouldn't pick one.
The 1911 is still relevant.
The USP is built like a tank and been running fine for over 20 years.
The complaints about ergonomics are largely exaggerated though I do like the Hogue HandAll.
WickedWillis
10-16-15, 11:35
The USP 45 was one of my dream handguns growing up. I bought one earlier this year after shooting rentals on several occasions. I ended up moving it because honestly, it's just too large for what it is. Also the proprietary rail is outdated. It will run far longer than you or I will be alive because it's built like a brick sh*thouse, but the ergo's and size are kind of lame. It has a sentimental place in my heart, that's it anymore. The HK45 is vastly superior.
Personally I think the ergonomics are fine. They are a bit big, but if you don't plan on concealing it does that really matter?
brickboy240
10-16-15, 11:44
The USP compacts are nice but the full size guns are just too big and blocky. I had a full size USP40 and sold it...prefer the G22 for a 40 caliber pistol.
YMMV
Haven't handled one personally, but are they bulkier than a Glock 21?
WickedWillis
10-16-15, 12:27
Haven't handled one personally, but are they bulkier than a Glock 21?
Yes. Especially the SF 21 and Gen 4 21's.
If you do not have a need for rail mounted accessories, I think the compact USPs are fine pistols. They are extremely robust and have the ability to be switched between different trigger variants relatively easily. The biggest drawback to me is the proprietary rail and the need for the added bulk of an adapter for most current devices.
I think the full size USP pistols are overly large and blocky for what they bring to the table, and they share the disadvantage of the proprietary rail.
I personally prefer the P2000 series, they are the same size as the compact USPs but with a modern rail. Of course, since there is no free lunch, the trigger variants are not as switchable and sight options are abysmal unless you like Meps or HDs.
If I were going out in the middle of nowhere for decades, I'd take my USP over my Glock.
I've been admittedly itching for a USP lately, but have been waffling back and forth as to whether it would be a good decision.
They're as reliable and accurate as they've always been, and have a classiness all their own, but still... they're ergonomically outdated, still use their proprietary accessory attachment method, and magazines/holsters/parts/accessories are accordingly more expensive than many others now available.
To be specific, I've been looking at a USP 45T (or, if you prefer, the Mk 23 SOCOM Compact). I know the Hk45T addresses everything I'd be looking for, but 1) it's not a USP, and 2) it doesn't answer the original question: is the USP still a solid contender for a serious-use pistol?
If it means anything, I already have a VP9 with a lot of rounds and time spent on it (so something like the magazine release isn't anything I have an issue with).
There's nothing wrong with the USP. Many other pistols are smaller, and a few lighter, but the USP remains a very serious piece of gear. A few things to consider:
Some people have problems with the ergonomics, but that can be said of every pistol ever built.
If you actually compare a USP to a Glock in person instead of just reading about them, you'll see that the 9 and 40 are within a few hundredths of an inch of being exactly the same size as a G17 or G22. They sit a bit higher in the hand, which makes them feel bigger, but in reality they're all but identical. That said, it is thicker than a Glock, but everything is thicker than a Glock.
The USP can stand up to the 40 S&W cartridge, which you can't say of the G22. To get the same kind of durability while launching .40-caliber slugs from a Glock, you have to go to a G20, and the size argument goes out the window.
Mag capacity is 15 in the 9, which is a little low. But the USP's 10-shot mags are reliable, which is not true of Glock magazines.
The rail is an issue, no two ways about it. But you only have to solve the problem once, so this is probably less important than people make it out to be.
Parts are more expensive, but they're a LOT more durable so you won't need as many. Call it a wash.
You have fewer sight options, but those that exist are very, very good.
You'll have fewer holster options as well, but again, those that exist are very, very good.
You can try different trigger options for not a lot of money. Some day I may fiddle with other options, which is not my cup of tea right now, but it matters for some folks. I'm an old 1911 guys, so the idea that I can carry cocked and locked if I want has a certain appeal.
I have USPs in 9mm and 45 ACP. I have not shot the 9mm much, but the 45 will put five rounds of FMJ training ammo into 2" or less offhand at 25 yards with boring regularity. And that's with the stock trigger--I'd expect even smaller groups with the match trigger. It can also safely fire 45 Super ammo without modification if you want to take a plastic pistol into bear country instead of a revolver, and the buffer system soaks up recoil well.
If my Glocks went away tomorrow and I was stuck with nothing but a USP, I'd load the mags with top-grade ammo and go about my business without a second thought.
Okie John
The Dumb Gun Collector
10-16-15, 19:43
Great guns. Ergos are on par with Glock offerings (meh, but not great). In my experience ergonomic concerns,except for really ridiculous examples, are mostly overrated by people who want to favor this or that gun. That being said, obviously the VP9/P30 feels a bit nicer.
The only real drawback is the obsolete light mount which is, generally, going to result in you needing an adapter to mount standard lights.
USPs are supertanks. I would guess they are the most bombproof pistols on the market--a product of the old HK mindset of absurd overbuilding. All modern HK's are USP descendants, and I think each has been a sort of whittling/scaling back of the USP series over engineering.
Great guns. Not on the top of my list (although it just might be if I was a .40 guy) but I can't really think of a gun you would be better off with if all Hell broke loose.
azeriosu85
10-17-15, 01:09
Love the ergos. ANyhting can be relevant. However I cannot see HK supporting the USP line for much longer...
I've had my USP 45 since the late 90's and I still love it today. It is a big gun, but I'm a big guy. I have large hands and it fits me well. The newer offerings such as the HK45 are very nice and ergonomic, but I've never once considered getting rid of my USP. I'd trust it with my life any day. It's my number one car pistol. I will say, it fills the console up! They are great guns. Top quality and a pleasure to shoot and own. It's like classic cars, music, wine, etc. The USP has stood the test of time.
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The biggest reason USP's are still relevant is that they look cool. We all know that looking cool is the most important attribute in handgun selection.
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Yes. The USP is an awesome gun. The 45T still has one of the best triggers I have ever felt.
wildcard600
10-17-15, 10:33
No, everyone knows that if confronted a bad guy will take one look at your old ass outdated pistol choice and fall down in hysterics. While you may be able to use this situation to your advantage, since any pistol designed after 2010 is proven to be unreliable and impossible to shoot accurately (damn you DA/SA triggers !!!) your pistol will likely jam or miss the bad guy completely if it does manage to fire.
You don't hear of many issues with USP's. That is a pretty significant clue.
Kind of funny. On this forum everybody like the new shiny thing. If you go over to the HK forum, many folks prefer the USP (especially the T) to the newer pistols. The USP has lots of traction with militaries around the world.
There's a thread at P-F where folks are using the USP45's for shooting 45 Super (spawned from discussions on bear/critter defense). Most of the positive attributes have been covered in this thread but they are worth repeating. Reliability - the single most important factor in a service weapon IMO. The USP has it in spades. My USP 9 doesn't know how to choke. If it fits in the mag, it will eat it and ask for more.
As a guy who does not care for the DA/SA transition and was raised mostly on 1911's and BHP's, I love that my USP can be carried cocked and locked.
The only caution is related to the proprietary rail - if you use the Surefire adapter be sure to test fire after mounting. If you over tighten the adapter it can impede the slide moving rearward.
Finally I have worked closely with a large PD in south Florida. They still issue the USP 45 and at last check were t planning to change. The only gripe I ever heard was about the overall size of the pistol.
I've been admittedly itching for a USP lately, but have been waffling back and forth as to whether it would be a good decision.
They're as reliable and accurate as they've always been, and have a classiness all their own, but still... they're ergonomically outdated, still use their proprietary accessory attachment method, and magazines/holsters/parts/accessories are accordingly more expensive than many others now available.
To be specific, I've been looking at a USP 45T (or, if you prefer, the Mk 23 SOCOM Compact). I know the Hk45T addresses everything I'd be looking for, but 1) it's not a USP, and 2) it doesn't answer the original question: is the USP still a solid contender for a serious-use pistol?
If it means anything, I already have a VP9 with a lot of rounds and time spent on it (so something like the magazine release isn't anything I have an issue with).
The HK45 is essentially a USP with better ergonomics. They took the brute force look and ability of the USP, and dropped it into a Ferrari chassis.
I own a couple of USP's and carried a USPc for years. I bought the HK45ct a couple of years ago and it will do everything its big brother will do.
Both are built like tanks and have the typically, boring, over engineered quality that one would exect from HK.
The biggest reason USP's are still relevant is that they look cool. We all know that looking cool is the most important attribute in handgun selection.
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Can you imagine getting your hands on a tan one? Look out! Tan guns are scientifically proven to kill people at a 100000000% higher rate.
Can you imagine getting your hands on a tan one? Look out! Tan guns are scientifically proven to kill people at a 100000000% higher rate.
Dat pew pew aesthetics yo
I love the gun. I think the compact is perfect size, kinda G19 ish. Kinda clunky though by today's standards. Interestingly, HK customer service posted over on HKPRO and was soliciting input on what we might want to see in a USP redesign or update.
I think it would benefit from designing it around a 9mm to get it a bit less clunky and lighter. Update texturing on grip, refine and minimze the controls, enhance the trigger.
I love the gun. I think the compact is perfect size, kinda G19 ish. Kinda clunky though by today's standards. Interestingly, HK customer service posted over on HKPRO and was soliciting input on what we might want to see in a USP redesign or update.
I think it would benefit from designing it around a 9mm to get it a bit less clunky and lighter. Update texturing on grip, refine and minimze the controls, enhance the trigger.
I would be all about that. I've always had a big soft spot for the USP, and have owned them but ultimately have gotten rid of them because they just flat out weren't as objectively good/fitting to me as a Glock.
Dionysusigma
10-18-15, 00:34
It can also safely fire 45 Super ammo without modification if you want to take a plastic pistol into bear country instead of a revolver, and the buffer system soaks up recoil well.
There's a thread at P-F where folks are using the USP45's for shooting 45 Super (spawned from discussions on bear/critter defense).
Is there any confirmed documentation on this? It's the first time I've heard of it, and while I don't doubt it (read this HkPro thread (http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/160710-chat-hk-armorer-must-read.html)), it seems like a hell of a gamble. However many times a system is pushed far above its design limits and performs well is fine and dandy, but the one time it doesn't is what worries me (coming from an engineer/mechanic whose job is inspecting and modifying redundant safety measures). I can't find anything definitive from Hk about the topic.
Concealment isn't a factor - I'd use a Kahr or similar for that. Yes, the magazines are stupidly expensive, but replacement springs and followers are right at where every other gun's is, price-wise, making extra magazines a one-time purchase.
I want it for no other reason than that it's a USP.
Defaultmp3
10-18-15, 01:20
Is there any confirmed documentation on this? It's the first time I've heard of it, and while I don't doubt it (read this HkPro thread (http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/160710-chat-hk-armorer-must-read.html)), it seems like a hell of a gamble. However many times a system is pushed far above its design limits and performs well is fine and dandy, but the one time it doesn't is what worries me (coming from an engineer/mechanic whose job is inspecting and modifying redundant safety measures). I can't find anything definitive from Hk about the topic.
Not GJM, but HK MK23 and HK USP 45s can use .45 super in stock condition. hkpro goes into this a lot. HK45,HK45c, USPc evidently are not as suitable for Super.
American Handgunner 2002 Tactical Annual's USP article said 6000 rounds of .45 Super were run through a stock USP 45 without issue
Source: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?16503-HK-USP-45-field-pistol&p=332882&viewfull=1#post332882
The fullsize USP 45 is perfectly fine with 45 Super, as is the Mark 23. It is one of the few mass-produced pistols which can run that load straight out of the box with no modifications to the gun. I have spoken directly to the guy who holds the patent for the 45 Super, and who does the conversions to make other pistols worthy of this formidable round. He says nothing is needed to be done (otherwise he'd be happy to make money on the conversion job).
Source: http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/90041-p-45-super-usp.html#post670914
There's a thread at P-F where folks are using the USP45's for shooting 45 Super (spawned from discussions on bear/critter defense). Most of the positive attributes have been covered in this thread but they are worth repeating. Reliability - the single most important factor in a service weapon IMO. The USP has it in spades. My USP 9 doesn't know how to choke. If it fits in the mag, it will eat it and ask for more.
As a guy who does not care for the DA/SA transition and was raised mostly on 1911's and BHP's, I love that my USP can be carried cocked and locked.
The only caution is related to the proprietary rail - if you use the Surefire adapter be sure to test fire after mounting. If you over tighten the adapter it can impede the slide moving rearward.
Finally I have worked closely with a large PD in south Florida. They still issue the USP 45 and at last check were t planning to change. The only gripe I ever heard was about the overall size of the pistol.
Not to be a smart a$$, but can you really say that any handgun from HK is not reliable? Or is any gun from HK less reliable than USP? I know USP's are tanks, but I can't really say that that I ever heard and/or read of any other HK going down.
MountainRaven
10-18-15, 14:13
I don't think I would worry about the USP or H&K's support for it going anywhere: The German army still uses them and it's probably the most numerous pistol that they have ever made (although I'm sure the VP9 is moving fast, it has two decades of catch-up work to do). Don't forget that H&K has tried to kill the MP5 on a couple of occasions and still haven't managed to do it (although it is probably their most popular/numerous product ever, apart from maybe G3 magazines).
Is there any confirmed documentation on this? It's the first time I've heard of it, and while I don't doubt it (read this HkPro thread (http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/160710-chat-hk-armorer-must-read.html)), it seems like a hell of a gamble. However many times a system is pushed far above its design limits and performs well is fine and dandy, but the one time it doesn't is what worries me (coming from an engineer/mechanic whose job is inspecting and modifying redundant safety measures). I can't find anything definitive from Hk about the topic.
Concealment isn't a factor - I'd use a Kahr or similar for that. Yes, the magazines are stupidly expensive, but replacement springs and followers are right at where every other gun's is, price-wise, making extra magazines a one-time purchase.
I want it for no other reason than that it's a USP.
I bought one of the first HK45s to arrive in this town. Owned it for about a year. Roommate got a job as an armed courier, so I sold it to him. That was about six or seven years ago. He still has the thing, still shoots it, still uses the original magazines that I sold to him with the gun (I think I had four or five). I think he may have bought a new magazine or two in the last couple of months, but he's never had a problem with the six/seven-year old magazines. And the gun will run anything you can stuff in the magazine, including CCI shot shells and stuff that makes my father's 20-year old USP45 puke. I think my father might have replaced the magazine springs on his USP45 four or five years ago - probably about the time that his boringly reliable USP was shown up by the slightly more boringly reliable HK45.
Never mind the HK91 magazines my father has had for 35 years or so that he has probably never changed springs on, I don't know how critical it is to have additional magazine springs for an H&K, depending on how long you're planning on running the gun.
I don't think I would worry about the USP or H&K's support for it going anywhere: The German army still uses them and it's probably the most numerous pistol that they have ever made (although I'm sure the VP9 is moving fast, it has two decades of catch-up work to do). Don't forget that H&K has tried to kill the MP5 on a couple of occasions and still haven't managed to do it (although it is probably their most popular/numerous product ever, apart from maybe G3 magazines).
I bought one of the first HK45s to arrive in this town. Owned it for about a year. Roommate got a job as an armed courier, so I sold it to him. That was about six or seven years ago. He still has the thing, still shoots it, still uses the original magazines that I sold to him with the gun (I think I had four or five). I think he may have bought a new magazine or two in the last couple of months, but he's never had a problem with the six/seven-year old magazines. And the gun will run anything you can stuff in the magazine, including CCI shot shells and stuff that makes my father's 20-year old USP45 puke. I think my father might have replaced the magazine springs on his USP45 four or five years ago - probably about the time that his boringly reliable USP was shown up by the slightly more boringly reliable HK45.
Never mind the HK91 magazines my father has had for 35 years or so that he has probably never changed springs on, I don't know how critical it is to have additional magazine springs for an H&K, depending on how long you're planning on running the gun.
To go along with what you are saying about HK mags. You wont find many aftermarket mags. In fact I dont know of anyone making them for the handguns. Are HK mags more expensive...sure are but HK builds the mags as good as the gun itself. I have the orginal 2 mags on my USPc 45 that probably have close to 5k a piece run through them. If it will fit in the mag, the gun will spit them out.
HK' s are outstanding firearms. Im a fanboy no doubt, but the USP line is what John M Browning would have built had he had the access to todays polymers.
Plumber576
10-19-15, 03:17
USP Tac .45 and USP Compact .45 here and I absolutely love them. They are reliable and accurate. They for sure have their place.
Their error? Being early to the party of railed handguns. It's really too bad HK can't tweak the molds to add a rail like on the P30 and HK45.
I consider the HK45 and also the P30 to be evolutions of the USP. If you're looking at a .45, just consider capacity. If you need 12 rounds, USP is the way to go. If 10 rounds will do it these days I'd go for the HK45.
That said, I don't ever plan on selling my USP's and am still considering an Expert and a base model .45 USP.
At this time, I own several HKs including two USPf models in 9mm and another in 45---people say the grip is horrible---I don't have that problem and a number of folks who shot my USPs don't mention the grip as bad. The newer HKs do have more modern ergos, but don't really shoot any better. If you like the USPf---just get one---it'll take care of business...
Not to be a smart a$$, but can you really say that any handgun from HK is not reliable? Or is any gun from HK less reliable than USP? I know USP's are tanks, but I can't really say that that I ever heard and/or read of any other HK going down.
OK, here you go. I have a USP40 that I purchased in December of 1993. This was back before the 9mm was even available. Since it was one of the first, it came with a conventionally rifled barrel. I shot a couple of thousand rounds through it and than it began to randomly stove pipe and eject complete cartridges. I sent it back to HK the first time and they said they couldn't duplicate the problem. However, it persisted. I sent it back again and they said they couldn't duplicate the problem. However, they were nice enough to give me two free preban magazines, which at the time was a pretty big deal considering that they were no longer able to manufacture them. Unfortunately, the problem still persisted. I sent it back a third time. They changed out the recoil spring setup for the newer captured type. Problem solved. They were also nice enough to install the newer smaller magazine release for free. All was well until the roll pin in the captured recoil spring decided to start going out one side. The pistol began to have various feeding and ejection problems. Fortunately, I figure out what the problem was, sent the recoil spring assembly to them, and they fixed it up. Problem solved. Next, the front sight insert fell out and disappeared while I was shooting. I sent the slide to them and they put another insert in. Problem solved. Finally, the last problem that I had was with the original case that came with the pistol. It didn't really have a hinge, just a strip of plastic that connects the two sides. It eventually broke leaving the two halves separated. I called HK and they sent me one of the newer cases. The bottom line here is that there is something to be said for a company that does a good job honoring its lifetime warranty. The pistol shoots fine and I'd bet my life on it at this point. That said, the trigger gets a C grade and accuracy is just OK.
I recently purchased a full sized 9mm with factory threaded barrel to use as a host for a suppressor I purchased. It's been 100% reliable, but the trigger gets a D at best and accuracy is just OK as well. For what I paid, I expected a pistol that has a better trigger than my USP40.
Dionysusigma
10-21-15, 20:45
Finally, the last problem that I had was with the original case that came with the pistol. It didn't really have a hinge, just a strip of plastic that connects the two sides. It eventually broke leaving the two halves separated. I called HK and they sent me one of the newer cases.
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The first mechanical issues you listed make sense within a warranty standpoint, sure... but this one seems to stretch it quite a bit. Like asking a car manufacturer for free washes/waxes/detailings before it hits the 50,000mi mark.
Thanks Bret; that was really surprising to hear of all those problems, but it's nice to hear honest and unbiased feedback. From your post it looks like there's two common misconceptions:
1) USP's are not the cockroaches (read immune to everything) that they're commonly expected to be. Although every manufacture is entitled to a lemon now and then.
2) HK's customer service doesn't sound half as bad as some people like to say.
The first mechanical issues you listed make sense within a warranty standpoint, sure... but this one seems to stretch it quite a bit. Like asking a car manufacturer for free washes/waxes/detailings before it hits the 50,000mi mark.
Well I called and asked how to get a replacement. The guy I spoke with asked what happened, so I told him. He offered to send a new one, so I wasn't going to argue with him about it. It was something that shouldn't have broke, so I can understand his willingness to replace it. I just consider it good customer service.
Interestingly, a friend of mine bought a USP40 at the same time that has a serial number within 150 of mine. He's fired more rounds through his, it has always run 100% and it still has everything original.
Accurate, reliable, built like a tank, that's all been mentioned here already. What hasn't been mentioned is that the trigger guard is freakin' huge! When you wear winter gloves, (and when I say winter, I mean -30 and -40 degree temps...without the wind chill, not this wimpy 10-20 degree wuusy winter crap) there is no better handgun made that is compatible with heavy gloves. Try putting on a pair of heavy insulated ski gloves for example and try to get at the trigger without an accidental discharge or resetting the trigger after the first round. A USP carried cocked and locked has no trouble in this department. The safety lever and slide release are large enough that manipulating it also presents no problem
2) HK's customer service doesn't sound half as bad as some people like to say.
I have been beyond satisfied with HK customer service over the past couple years, responses from techs within an hour or so, and several orders from the webshop and a couple phone orders, everybody was of great help and orders went out quick.
To go along with what you are saying about HK mags. You wont find many aftermarket mags. In fact I dont know of anyone making them for the handguns.
Then you havent seen the ProMag ones. They are crap but at least there is one out there. Stick with the OEM and you will be fine. You will spend some good coin on one but it will last you so no need to look elsewhere.
The only USP mags I find expensive are the 45acp. All others are right about Glock level prices. I believe the USP 9 mags run about $30, same for the 40
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The only USP mags I find expensive are the 45acp. All others are right about Glock level prices. I believe the USP 9 mags run about $30, same for the 40
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Yeah, have been seeing USP 9mm, and USP 40 mags under $30 for the past couple months. P2000 mags are a bit higher. And p30/VP9 mags have gone up a bit, due to demand I imagine, and are $40+. But, yeah, USP 45 mags will cost you a bit more than standard USP mags. But I still don't want to hear it, I have P7s.
Is there any difference at all in P2000 mags vs USP9 Compact mags? They're cross compatible right? Is it just that one costs more than the other, because of the floor plates?
Is there any difference at all in P2000 mags vs USP9 Compact mags? They're cross compatible right? Is it just that one costs more than the other, because of the floor plates?
They're identical. My USP9c mags are marked "P2000 US / USP Comp."
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MountainRaven
10-24-15, 18:01
Yeah, have been seeing USP 9mm, and USP 40 mags under $30 for the past couple months. P2000 mags are a bit higher. And p30/VP9 mags have gone up a bit, due to demand I imagine, and are $40+. But, yeah, USP 45 mags will cost you a bit more than standard USP mags. But I still don't want to hear it, I have P7s.
Yeah, but the flip side is that you have P7s.
;)
Yeah, but the flip side is that you have P7s.
;)
Jealousy does not become you my friend.
I recently went through the same thing. I've compared my new USP9 compact to an mk25, m45, hk45, m&p, various 1911s, Glocks, etc. I absolutely love it. I struggle with the mag release. I find the grip very comfortable. And it points naturally. I run a light on most firearms, so it has a tlr3 with the HK bracket, not an add on rail.
It doesn't need... A stipple job, grip reduction, or an aftermarket barrel. It's good to go out of the box.
Right now CNN has usp 45 12rd mags for $39 and usp 9 for $22
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AnthonyCumia
10-31-15, 16:47
Right now CNN has usp 45 12rd mags for $39 and usp 9 for $22
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New or used? Factory or Aftermarket?
Factory. I think new
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The first gun I ever purchased was an H&K USPC 40 with a stainless less slide and it is the last gun I would sell. The trigger isn't great IMO, and it is a bit bulky as well as heavy. My only regret is buying it in 40 cal instead of 9mm.
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