Gun control groups forging alliance with Black Lives Matter(BLM) [Archive]

7.62NATO

10-20-15, 21:23

Those white, conservative, racist people are to blame for all the gun violence, so the gun control groups are teaming up with BLM.

Gun control advocates, frustrated by repeated failures to pass even moderate restrictions on gun ownership, are trying to forge an alliance with Black Lives Matter and the criminal justice reform movement in a strategy shift aimed at overcoming the lobbying power of the National Rifle Association.

“The movement is too white, said Marc Morial, head of the National Urban League. “There’s no input from communities of color.”

Gun control proponents say they need to address the reality that urban blacks and Hispanics are disproportionately victims of gun violence — and that tough-on-crime punishments dating back decades helped drive the current problem of mass incarceration among those groups.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/gun-control-black-lives-matter-214939

Firefly

10-20-15, 21:30

Well maybe they should stop shooting each other over dope, whores. And money

Mauser KAR98K

10-20-15, 21:42

Well maybe they should stop shooting each other over dope, whores. And money

Sounds like a rap song.

For the topic: it's because of black lives matter why I'm armed now more than ever.

I swear we are inching closer to a civil war that will spiral into a revolution.

FromMyColdDeadHand

10-20-15, 21:52

Ironic, since gun control groups pretty much don't think that Black Lives Matter. Shoot some white college kids up and people go all goofy. Shoot ten times as many black kids in Chicago and ........

SomeOtherGuy

10-20-15, 21:55

SteyrAUG

10-20-15, 21:57

“The movement is too white, said Marc Morial, head of the National Urban League. “There’s no input from communities of color.”

“The NAACP and BLM movement is too black, said everyone else. “There’s no input from white people.”

Which is of course bullshit smoke and mirrors to conceal blatant racism.

If black people, or anyone else, wish to be armed, they can buy a gun like everyone else assuming they don't have a criminal or mental history that makes them a prohibited person.

Literally ANYONE can join the NRA. Michael Moore was able to become a lifetime member. You can't decide NOT to join a group and then suggest the group is exclusionary. That is like me deciding not to attend Urban Beach Week in Miami and then declaring it "too black" and not inclusive enough to middle age white males.

26 Inf

10-20-15, 22:05

Gun control proponents say they need to address the reality that urban blacks and Hispanics are disproportionately victims of gun violence — and that tough-on-crime punishments dating back decades helped drive the current problem of mass incarceration among those groups.

The part of the sentence before the hyphen - they need to understand that black on black firearms assaults are more prevalent than white on black.

The second part of the sentence is true. The war on drugs has been an abject failure. Asset forfeiture has turned the focus of many officers from actual policing, to looking for the next big seizure. And it is kind of funny that until 2010, a middle class kid, arrested while snorting lines of coke off a mirror with a straw up his nose gets 2 years, suspended, with rehab and 2 years probation; while the black dude caught with an 8-ball of crack goes away for a hard 5 minimum.

So we screwed up, lets fix it and drive on.

The answer isn't making legit citizens criminals by gun control measures.

26 Inf

10-20-15, 22:08

If black people, or anyone else, wish to be armed, they can buy a gun like everyone else assuming they don't have a criminal or mental history that makes them a prohibited person.

And there were many people that lobbied the powers that be to ensure that 'shall issue' concealed carry permits were inexpensive and easy to obtain, so that poor mother in a high crime area could legally carry.

Firefly

10-20-15, 22:19

Too human, not enough C.H.U.D.s

Why does no one think of the C.H.U.D.s?

#sewermutantlivesmatter

Dist. Expert 26

10-20-15, 22:27

This is just dripping with irony. As most of us know, some of the first gun control laws were put into place to prohibit southern blacks from acquiring firearms for self defense. Now these same people, who find every opportunity to bring up slavery, are willingly placing themselves back in the position of being defenseless and at the mercy of a government who couldn't care any less about them. I love it.

Moose-Knuckle

10-21-15, 01:11

I think it's pretty common knowledge by now that George Soros is the wizard behind the curtain funding the #BLM movement, Occupy, and is a card carrying member of the disarmament cabal.

As for merging the civil rights industry and the disarmament clan I called this back during the George Zimmerman witch trial in a thread I started entitled . . .

What I learned from the Attorney General and the Congressional Black Caucus this week (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?134997-What-I-learned-from-the-Attorney-General-and-the-Congressional-Black-Caucus-this-week)

As the Jihad against George Zimmerman rages on . . .

Attorney General Eric Holder announced in the wake of the Zimmerman verdict that the DOJ would look into the matter and that "justice must be done".

He even created a special email address so anyone across the country who may have evidence that the Trayvon Martin shooting was racially motivated can report it, think of it like a Bat Light for only white on black crime . . . or was that Hispanic on black crime uhhh I forget.

sanford.florida@usdoj.gov

I wonder why he hasn't established similar email addresses and hotlines for the unprosecuted black on white hate crimes like the murder of 24 year old mother Jacqueline Gardner (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f9f_1338039156) back in May or how about shooting a 13 month old baby (http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed) in the face while he was strapped in his stroller back in March?

For those of you who were not invited to this year's National Association for the Advancement of Colored People's convention in Orlando that concluded yesterday here is a video of the highest ranking Law Enforcement Officer in the land. You know the guy that holds you and your family's safety and security in the highest regard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvBbKfMFGlc

@ 08:37
"It's time to strengthen our collective resolve against gun violence but also time to combat violence involving or directed towards our children so we can prevent future tragedies."

So how exactly did you Mr. Attorney General "strengthen our collective resolve against gun violence" by illegally trafficking guns across the border to narco-terrorists in Mexico?

And as far as "combating violence directed towards OUR children" aka black children why don't you raise them not to ambush, assault, and slam the heads of neighborhood watchmen into concrete sidewalks? That would be a start. While we are at it just how are you "combating violence involving" these black children in oh I don't know lets say Chicago for instance?

@ 09:10
"Its time to question laws that senselessly expand the concept of self defense and sow dangerous conflicts in our neighborhoods."

Nice, so now the inalienable right to self defense is a "concept". Hmm where was the DOJ when Trayvon Martin profiled George Zimmerman as a "creepy-azz-cracka aka white homosexual?

So Mr. AG you say self defense laws "sow dangerous conflicts in our hoods" what say you on the culture of criminality known as "thug life"; i.e. gangs, drugs, and prostitution?

The Congressional Black Caucus is writing new bills to regulate profiling and to scrap Stand Your Ground laws.

http://patdollard.com/2013/07/congressional-black-caucus-writes-racial-profiling-bill-flurry-of-others-in-angry-response-to-zimmerman-verdict/

The message if very clear . . .

After listening to the Attorney General and particular law makers in Congress I get the idea they want to make it easier for criminals who happen to be black to be able to attack non-black victims. They are infuriated when a law-abiding citizen who happens not to be black successfully utilizes deadly force to protect themselves. As I said in the various Zimmerman threads over the last year this case will be used to go after not only gun rights but the very notion and personal responsibility of self-defense.

SteyrAUG

10-21-15, 01:37

And there were many people that lobbied the powers that be to ensure that 'shall issue' concealed carry permits were inexpensive and easy to obtain, so that poor mother in a high crime area could legally carry.

Sadly too many minorities live as racists beholden to those who dictate the standards of "their community." And given the disproportionate amount of their members who engage in criminal activity, they see "personal defense" in a similar light as "snitching." This is one of the big reasons everyone involved seems to be silent regarding black on black murder. Even in a concentrated thug population like Chicago, they will do everything they can to shift blame from violent black offenders to hard economic times, limited education, limited opportunity, unfair law enforcement focus on minorities or my personal favorite "the man keeping them down."

SilverBullet432

10-21-15, 05:52

I love how they throw hispanics in the mix. Leave us out of your shit :nono:

ralph

10-21-15, 06:03

Sounds like a rap song.

For the topic: it's because of black lives matter why I'm armed now more than ever.

I swear we are inching closer to a civil war that will spiral into a revolution.

Fine with me.. Bring it. The sooner we get this settled once and for all, the sooner we, as a country can move on.

Alex V

10-21-15, 08:01

Its just funny to see how the populous is so ignorant that they can be so easily persuaded by a few evil individuals. Funny, yet sad, I suppose.

Fine with me.. Bring it. The sooner we get this settled once and for all, the sooner we, as a country can move on.

Not just yet... I need a few more mags and some more ammo...

ralph

10-21-15, 09:57

Its just funny to see how the populous is so ignorant that they can be so easily persuaded by a few evil individuals. Funny, yet sad, I suppose.

Not just yet... I need a few more mags and some more ammo...

Well what the hell man! you'd better get on the stick here..:D A revolt like this can't be gummed up by some slackers waiting for their mags and ammo to show up...

Firefly

10-21-15, 11:03

Again, sleeping dogs.

If these people that want a race war got their wish; it would be a literal ghetto holocaust.

But they won't fight. They'll be on a plane to Canada or Europe watching from afar.

Bar None, this is THE BEST country in the world for blacks. Go to Africa. "All black guys look the same". Not to them. Remember Rwanda?
Slavery is still legal in Sudan.
And the diseases run rampant due to a lack of the most basic care.

Whitey got run off in droves despite Colonizing the continent for centuries. Even poor blacks in Rhodesia had far more than the blacks in the bush.

But here....you don't have to be anything. You can just be whomever.
Yeah...you can be a "Hey Yo G" homeboy or you can get your shit square and have a great life.

It's the same people stirring a pot that nobody asked them to stir.
The system is not against blacks in America. I work for the system. A LOT of slack gets cut.

Blacks, however, hate other blacks and keep them down. Turn on OWN or BET right now. Whaddya see? Tyler Perry bullshit or a freaking rap video about ducking the police and doing criminal acts.

Nothing about "gee...I have it pretty good."

You're only as special and different as you want to be. Yep, there was slavery. Oh well. Get over it.

Lots of horrid stuff happened to my ancestors but I'm here now so...why should I care? Won't bring them back.

And yes, people may not like you for your race. Oh well. F 'em.

Those people will always be losers or ignorant. C'est la vie.

Life is too short to care about petty stupid shit

SteyrAUG

10-21-15, 13:32

I love how they throw hispanics in the mix. Leave us out of your shit :nono:

Yep, you guys are either white or black depending upon their needs. Shoot a black kid attacking you and you are a lily white snowflake, but when they need your numbers to oppose the evil white man keeping everyone down, you are their hispanic "minority brother."

SteyrAUG

10-21-15, 13:40

ABNAK

10-21-15, 14:15

Fine with me.. Bring it. The sooner we get this settled once and for all, the sooner we, as a country can move on.

Let's not wish and hope for something like that. If things come down to that then one does what he must do, but I sure as hell wouldn't relish and welcome it.

ralph

10-21-15, 15:25

Let's not wish and hope for something like that. If things come down to that then one does what he must do, but I sure as hell wouldn't relish and welcome it.

I don't either.. My point being, this is a issue that needs settled once and for all, and the sooner we get it settled, the better for everyone. I'm sick and tired of worrying about what happens if the next ban takes affect, of if the next socialist communist democrat gets elected president. Our freedoms should not be bandied about as if the can be taken away from us like a child's toy.. And if it comes to a civil war, well, then that's what it's going to take.. I don't want it, I don't like it, But, if this what they want, then by God let them have it.

SteyrAUG

10-21-15, 16:48

I don't either.. My point being, this is a issue that needs settled once and for all, and the sooner we get it settled, the better for everyone. I'm sick and tired of worrying about what happens if the next ban takes affect, of if the next socialist communist democrat gets elected president. Our freedoms should not be bandied about as if the can be taken away from us like a child's toy.. And if it comes to a civil war, well, then that's what it's going to take.. I don't want it, I don't like it, But, if this what they want, then by God let them have it.

The problem is I don't think a civil war will produce the America you are hoping to restore. The end result would probably be much, much worse than anything we are currently seeing. While the left may not have the skills, they have the numbers. Look how much destruction is caused by activists during your average G8 meeting.

Now imagine all the people who think corporations are evil and must be destroyed, all the people who think black lives are more important than others, all the people who think the middle class owes them a "decent job with a livable wage and complete health care" and the rest of the FSA all armed with guns and improvised explosives.

Look at the reign of terror 60 radical groups like the Weather Underground, SLA and the UFF inflicted with small group units and limited support. Only today they would be seen as the "freedom fighters" and law enforcement would be reigned in just as they were with protests in Ferguson.

The popular narrative has been so distorted cops are the bad guys and criminals are the victim. In a civil war under those conditions, all the wrong people die. Most of those we care about and love would be among the first victims. The next revolution would not go as you imagine.

sevenhelmet

10-21-15, 16:55

Agree with Steyr on all points. Use your words, make the reasoned arguments, be the "crazy gun guy" in your family and group of friends (assuming they don't all feel the same way), don't let the emotional leftist BS drag you down. Because being thought of as crazy but winning a couple of people over to our side is infinitely better than the alternative.

Fight a proactive running game. Don't be reactive.

ralph

10-21-15, 17:02

The problem is I don't think a civil war will produce the America you are hoping to restore. The end result would probably be much, much worse than anything we are currently seeing. While the left may not have the skills, they have the numbers. Look how much destruction is caused by activists during your average G8 meeting.

Now imagine all the people who think corporations are evil and must be destroyed, all the people who think black lives are more important than others, all the people who think the middle class owes them a "decent job with a livable wage and complete health care" and the rest of the FSA all armed with guns and improvised explosives.

Look at the reign of terror 60 radical groups like the Weather Underground, SLA and the UFF inflicted with small group units and limited support. Only today they would be seen as the "freedom fighters" and law enforcement would be reigned in just as they were with protests in Ferguson.

The popular narrative has been so distorted cops are the bad guys and criminals are the victim. In a civil war under those conditions, all the wrong people die. Most of those we care about and love would be among the first victims. The next revolution would not go as you imagine.

I understand what you're saying and you're quite right..However, it still doesn't take away from the fact that this is an issue that needs settled.. Now how we go about doing that is up for grabs. We know what the left's stance on the issue is, and they've made it abundantly clear there's going to be little to no negotiating.. It's their way, or the highway. So what do we do?

SteyrAUG

10-21-15, 17:35

I understand what you're saying and you're quite right..However, it still doesn't take away from the fact that this is an issue that needs settled.. Now how we go about doing that is up for grabs. We know what the left's stance on the issue is, and they've made it abundantly clear there's going to be little to no negotiating.. It's their way, or the highway. So what do we do?

The main problem is they are willing to destroy our country and kill innocents to bring about the country they wish to create. The rest of us are a little hesitant to destroy what we are trying to save. So we will always be fighting under those conditions.

So for so long as it remains possible, we do everything we can to protect our country and our freedoms. It's insulting that we need to actively defend what should be ours without question. It's as frustrating as a scenario where every day when you attempted to back your car our of your garage your neighbors immediately tried to steal your lawn mower because they felt entitled to take it since your garage door was open, thus suggesting you are the responsible party in the attempted theft. And in the course of events, instead of simply closing the door and going to work so you can pay for a house, car and lawn mower you must take time out of your life to actively prevent the theft of your lawn mower and secure your garage in such a manner as to be hopeful it's still there when you return from work.

Now imagine that happens every single day. It's not something anyone should have to endure. But that is the way things currently are and seemingly every single day THOUSANDS of people attempt to steal much more than our lawnmower and we have to resist daily the efforts to pick our pockets for "redistribution of our wealth" and retention of our basic freedoms. But we know if we shoot somebody, or assault somebody, simply for trying to steal our lawnmower, we will lose our freedom and be at greater risk of prosecution than the person creating the situation.

As it is with protecting our lawnmower, the cost of going too far to secure our rights, can have drastic consequences to ourselves and more importantly, those we are responsible for taking care of. So we defend our lawnmower with approved solutions like locks and alarms and we defend our rights with the similarly inadequate means that don't absolutely protect anything.

And if those who would take from us tip the balance too far, where we have lost too much and having nothing of value left to lose, then we will have that war and I truly hope it results in an improved country rather than the final breath of what once was. But we do what we can in the meantime, while there is still something of value to defend.

ColtSeavers

10-21-15, 17:59

The main problem is they are willing to destroy our country and kill innocents to bring about the country they wish to create. The rest of us are a little hesitant to destroy what we are trying to save. So we will always be fighting under those conditions.

So for so long as it remains possible, we do everything we can to protect our country and our freedoms. It's insulting that we need to actively defend what should be ours without question. It's as frustrating as a scenario where every day when you attempted to back your car our of your garage your neighbors immediately tried to steal your lawn mower because they felt entitled to take it since your garage door was open, thus suggesting you are the responsible party in the attempted theft. And in the course of events, instead of simply closing the door and going to work so you can pay for a house, car and lawn mower you must take time out of your life to actively prevent the theft of your lawn mower and secure your garage in such a manner as to be hopeful it's still there when you return from work.

Now imagine that happens every single day. It's not something anyone should have to endure. But that is the way things currently are and seemingly every single day THOUSANDS of people attempt to steal much more than our lawnmower and we have to resist daily the efforts to pick our pockets for "redistribution of our wealth" and retention of our basic freedoms. But we know if we shoot somebody, or assault somebody, simply for trying to steal our lawnmower, we will lose our freedom and be at greater risk of prosecution than the person creating the situation.

As it is with protecting our lawnmower, the cost of going too far to secure our rights, can have drastic consequences to ourselves and more importantly, those we are responsible for taking care of. So we defend our lawnmower with approved solutions like locks and alarms and we defend our rights with the similarly inadequate means that don't absolutely protect anything.

And if those who would take from us tip the balance too far, where we have lost too much and having nothing of value left to lose, then we will have that war and I truly hope it results in an improved country rather than the final breath of what once was. But we do what we can in the meantime, while there is still something of value to defend.

Eloquently put, thank you for this.

SilverBullet432

10-21-15, 18:10

F*ck all that civil war noise, ive got bills to pay and mouths to feed.

Firefly

10-21-15, 18:13

F*ck all that civil war noise, ive got bills to pay.

But I bought a cannon and we need more guys.
C'moooon maaaan.

SilverBullet432

10-21-15, 18:19

Lol need someone to man the gun powder..

ST911

10-21-15, 18:30

Be very cautious about any advocacy of civil war or violence in the pursuit of ideals, even if theoretical. Such discussions are easily misunderstood, with great potential for your posts to be misquoted and taken out of context. Unintentionally, and otherwise.

7.62NATO

10-21-15, 18:38

Although not entirely secure, consider using this for discussions unsavory to the red coats:

https://www.torproject.org/

Dist. Expert 26

10-21-15, 18:52

Firefly

10-21-15, 20:32

Dist. Expert 26

10-21-15, 21:37

Actually all joking aside , it's kinda sad this is a topic.
Why can't people leave people be? Why can't they just respect our agreed upon laws and quit creating these 'crises' they love so dearly to not allow to go to waste.

Because without said crises they wouldn't be able to seize more power for themselves. Those at the head of all this know EXACTLY what they're doing. Turn the peasants against each other and while they're distracted pass whatever laws the elite want passed.

BoringGuy45

10-21-15, 22:41

I don't quite share the same opinion on how a civil war would go. Without police and the military on their side the leftists are helpless. Sure, some cops would join in, and a lot of the top brass in the military would fall in step, but I don't think it would be enough to make a difference. The overwhelming majority of cops and those in military service would never attack their fellow Americans. It was a common topic of discussion during boring nights in the field, and only a couple guys said they would go along with such orders.

Leave the leftists disarmed against tens of millions of more conservative Americans and I think the results would swing in our favor. The only real power they have is the media, take that away and power only comes from the barrel of a gun. I don't hope for such a scenario, I have a 4 month old son and trying to protect him in such a world would be horrible, but I think the outcome could end up being positive.

Agreed. However, the left is using very common tactics used by would-be dictators to gain control of democratic nations:

1) Claim that the military and police are the oppressors, and actively encourage resistance against them.
2) Claim that there needs to be an armed force that answers directly to them, the only true friend and defender of the people (there's already been calls for a federal police force)
3) Create ideological paramilitary that is armed, trained, and led well enough to present a formidable challenge.
4) Replace leadership in current police and military forces with those loyal to the up-and-coming regime. Use the vanguard army to intimidate the rank-and-file soldiers and police officers into obeying the new leadership. Purge those who don't.

We're on step two right now. But the phobia of guns has luckily prevented the creation of a vanguard army. Any attempt to completely overthrow the current order would fail without it.

SteyrAUG

10-22-15, 00:03

I don't quite share the same opinion on how a civil war would go. Without police and the military on their side the leftists are helpless.

If a shooting war broke out, I don't honestly believe there would be police or military as they function in their current capacity. Our cities would be somewhere between a larger scale Ferguson riot that never ended and a smaller scale siege of an Iraqi city.

Those who imagine a civil war fixing things must believe in some kind of Red Dawn scenario where the tragedy is isolated and they just have to tough it out. If this country really and truly went at it we'd burn the cities and starve the rural towns. Just like few escaped the Great Depression, very few would go untouched by an American civil war.

There would be no consensus of direction and once the shooting started and people started losing loved ones, everyone would literally be "dead set" on getting their way. Majority opinion would rule and decide and that means an America pretty different from the one we'd all hope for and even "we" disagree from time to time regarding what that should be.

SteyrAUG

10-22-15, 00:07

Because without said crises they wouldn't be able to seize more power for themselves. Those at the head of all this know EXACTLY what they're doing. Turn the peasants against each other and while they're distracted pass whatever laws the elite want passed.

Absolutely. This very much is about dividing a people and taking power. That is why one party seems to represent half of the issues you deem important and the other party seems to represent the other half of the issues you deem important.

We are forever divided by a system where no matter who wins we are at risk of losing something. The reality is neither side really represents any of us, they have far more in common with each other and their primary concern is consolidating wealth and power. They represent whomever or whatever results in their having more wealth and power.

Dist. Expert 26

10-22-15, 12:48

If a shooting war broke out, I don't honestly believe there would be police or military as they function in their current capacity. Our cities would be somewhere between a larger scale Ferguson riot that never ended and a smaller scale siege of an Iraqi city.

Those who imagine a civil war fixing things must believe in some kind of Red Dawn scenario where the tragedy is isolated and they just have to tough it out. If this country really and truly went at it we'd burn the cities and starve the rural towns. Just like few escaped the Great Depression, very few would go untouched by an American civil war.

There would be no consensus of direction and once the shooting started and people started losing loved ones, everyone would literally be "dead set" on getting their way. Majority opinion would rule and decide and that means an America pretty different from the one we'd all hope for and even "we" disagree from time to time regarding what that should be.

I totally agree with that. Another civil war would put us into a state like Afghanistan or Iraq, where power is vested with local tribes/militias and the central government (if it exists at all) would have very little power. The end state would likely be several smaller nations emerging as said militias ally with each other, and the United States would cease to exist.

I think what most people envision is more of a revolution, the people rising up against an oppressive government just as our founding fathers did. That is a scenario that I could get behind if it weren't completely unrealistic in today's day and age.

Moose-Knuckle

10-22-15, 18:17

The Community Organizer In Chief has spoken . . .

Watch: President Obama explains what "all lives matter" gets wrong
http://www.vox.com/2015/10/22/9600158/obama-black-lives-matter

Obama: Black Lives Matter Activists Have Legitimate Concerns
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-black-lives-matter_56294030e4b0aac0b8fc36d1

el_chingoton13

10-22-15, 18:28

Blegh, anytime I see stupid articles from vox or huffpo I take the time to email the authors a picture of cows doing it.

Averageman

10-22-15, 19:40

You know if the KKK and Stormfront came out and said "White Lives Matter" and marched in the streets calling for the murder of LEO's the DNC would be calling it a Hate Crime and eagerly hand out a felony to all participants.
The "Snap Back" is going to be well deserved and very, very ugly when the time comes.

Moose-Knuckle

10-22-15, 23:16

Blegh, anytime I see stupid articles from vox or huffpo I take the time to email the authors a picture of cows doing it.

LOL, I hear ya.

I typically like going over to the "other side" from time to time to see what the other half are up to.

a1fabweld

10-23-15, 10:20

What a shitshow. This country is doomed.

Averageman

10-23-15, 13:34

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_CRIMINAL_JUSTICE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-10-22-15-21-30
He's also arguing for more opportunity for poor kids, saying police and prosecutors can't shoulder the entire burden for fixing what politicians agree is a criminal justice system in need of repair.

Obama commented during a White House forum Thursday on the criminal justice system. A U.S. attorney from Colorado and the Los Angeles police chief participated in the discussion, which was led by Bill Keller, editor in chief of The Marshall Project. The nonprofit online journalism organization focuses on criminal justice issues in the U.S.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_BLACK_LIVES_MATTER?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-10-22-15-58-03
At the conclusion of a White House forum on criminal justice, Obama said he wanted to make a final point about the nexus of race and the criminal justice system before launching into his defense of the movement.

"I think everybody understands all lives matter," Obama said. "I think the reason that the organizers used the phrase 'Black Lives Matter' was not because they were suggesting nobody else's lives matter. Rather, what they were suggesting was there is a specific problem that's happening in the African-American community that's not happening in other communities.

"And that is a legitimate issue that we've got to address."

But wait a second and look a little deeper in to this.

http://famm.org/sentencing-reform-and-corrections-act-of-2015/
•Reduce the 15-year mandatory minimum sentence for people convicted for gun possession offenses under the Armed Career Criminal Act (ACCA, 18 U.S.C. s. 922(g)) to a mandatory minimum term of 10 years (retroactive);
•Reduce the 25-year mandatory minimum sentence for those who commit second or subsequent offenses of possessing guns in the course of drug trafficking offenses or crimes of violence under 18 U.S.C. s. 924(c) to a mandatory minimum term of 15 years, AND limits application of that 15-year mandatory minimum to convictions that were final prior to the commission of the new 924(c) offense (retroactive);

So we are going to lump career crimminals in posession of a gun while doing a dope deal in with little Jimmy and his half ounce of weed in to the same discussion?
They might as well just burn it all down, we're screwed.

Benito

10-23-15, 17:41

"they need to address the reality that urban blacks and Hispanics are disproportionately victims of gun violence "

They are also disproportionately the perpetrators.

Part of me just wants to see this so-called debate go full retard; maybe it's already there.

If whites raped and murdered at even half the rate of blacks (statistically generally speaking), there would be martial law.
When blacks do it, it gets blamed on the "legacy of slavery", white racism, capitalism, etc.

Yep, you guys are either white or black depending upon their needs. Shoot a black kid attacking you and you are a lily white snowflake, but when they need your numbers to oppose the evil white man keeping everyone down, you are their hispanic "minority brother."

LOL. Hispanics are a general purpose minority. Like tofu, if you will.
Although, blacks are also disposable to the Left. Look at Ben Carson or any Black Republican. They are called race traitors, Uncle Toms, etc when they disagree with the Left.

Agreed. However, the left is using very common tactics used by would-be dictators to gain control of democratic nations:

1) Claim that the military and police are the oppressors, and actively encourage resistance against them.
2) Claim that there needs to be an armed force that answers directly to them, the only true friend and defender of the people (there's already been calls for a federal police force)
3) Create ideological paramilitary that is armed, trained, and led well enough to present a formidable challenge.
4) Replace leadership in current police and military forces with those loyal to the up-and-coming regime. Use the vanguard army to intimidate the rank-and-file soldiers and police officers into obeying the new leadership. Purge those who don't.

We're on step two right now. But the phobia of guns has luckily prevented the creation of a vanguard army. Any attempt to completely overthrow the current order would fail without it.

Ahhh, you;re just being crazy. That'll never happen here, maaaaan.
I love how the Left is crazy paranoid about White racists, the KKK, Republicans , Tea Party, etc. wanting to get together and enslave all minorities, but they scoff at such notions when gun-owning Conservatives express concerns for huge governments that disarm the populace.
One moment, that are super trusting pro-government, the next they are anarchists. Goddamn shitshow of mental disarray.

26 Inf

10-23-15, 19:15

http://famm.org/sentencing-reform-and-corrections-act-of-2015/
•Reduce the 15-year mandatory minimum sentence for people convicted for gun possession offenses under the Armed Career Criminal Act (ACCA, 18 U.S.C. s. 922(g)) to a mandatory minimum term of 10 years (retroactive);
•Reduce the 25-year mandatory minimum sentence for those who commit second or subsequent offenses of possessing guns in the course of drug trafficking offenses or crimes of violence under 18 U.S.C. s. 924(c) to a mandatory minimum term of 15 years, AND limits application of that 15-year mandatory minimum to convictions that were final prior to the commission of the new 924(c) offense (retroactive);

So we are going to lump career crimminals in posession of a gun while doing a dope deal in with little Jimmy and his half ounce of weed in to the same discussion?
They might as well just burn it all down, we're screwed.

I got no problem with that IF they reform the prison system into 3 tiers - 1) punishment; 2) rehabilitation; 3) warehousing - and keep the third tier away from the first two. Problem is that if prison is old home week for a gangster it has the deterrent effect is reduced or nonexistent.

Punishment means - you have to behave and atone in a strict regimen of education and work. Every sentence would have a period of punishment which would have to be successfully completed before moving on to rehabilitation, where they actually learn something applicable that will enable them to make a living on the outside. If you don't get with the program, you could remain in the punishment phase your whole sentence, which would be lengthened by 1/3 for non-cooperation.

Problems are: 1) leftists would never buy the punishment aspect; 2) it would cost a bunch more in the short term, but long term, we would have less frequent flyers.

Averageman

10-23-15, 19:46

Problems are: 1) leftists would never buy the punishment aspect; 2) it would cost a bunch more in the short term, but long term, we would have less frequent flyers.

Yes, but the idea that Chuck Schumer's name is on the Bill?
He is asking to reduce the time a armed felon will have served?
The irony that he would gladly take guns from folks without a crimminal record and then release these guys?

The "Warehousing" you're asking for sounds like "Threes Strike's You're Out" and I agree with you, some folks really do not deserve another shot at it.

This article comes from the Officer in NY that was most recently shot.
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio called on Friday for changes to state laws that allowed a man charged with killing a police officer this week to remain on the streets even though he had a long criminal history that included drug arrests.

Tyrone Howard, who avoided prison by entering a court-mandated drug treatment program, was charged with murder in the shooting of New York City Police Department Officer Randolph Holder, 33, on Tuesday in the city's East Harlem neighborhood.

"The death of Officer Randolph Holder was a clear and tragic signal that we must ensure dangerous individuals with long criminal histories do not walk our streets," de Blasio said.

Slinging dope in Public Housing while carrying and in mandated rehab... He really didn't deserve anything less than the inner circles of hell.

Benito

10-24-15, 17:40

I got no problem with that IF they reform the prison system into 3 tiers - 1) punishment; 2) rehabilitation; 3) warehousing - and keep the third tier away from the first two. Problem is that if prison is old home week for a gangster it has the deterrent effect is reduced or nonexistent.

Punishment means - you have to behave and atone in a strict regimen of education and work. Every sentence would have a period of punishment which would have to be successfully completed before moving on to rehabilitation, where they actually learn something applicable that will enable them to make a living on the outside. If you don't get with the program, you could remain in the punishment phase your whole sentence, which would be lengthened by 1/3 for non-cooperation.

Problems are: 1) leftists would never buy the punishment aspect; 2) it would cost a bunch more in the short term, but long term, we would have less frequent flyers.

I totally agree.
The prison system has a lot of problems, and the fact that the worst of the worst (hardcore gangmembers) seem to fare the best, since the prison population is essentially run by the gangs.
Going to prison is a badge of honor for gangmembers, but a truly frightening nightmare for offenders who aren't connected gangsters.

Moose-Knuckle

11-25-15, 02:37

Lame duck Barry, the radical left, and the latest "civil rights movement" are going to up the gun control efforts in 2016 setting the stage for whoever "wins" the election.

Black Lives Matter and Michael Bloomberg: the oddest couple?

When media outlets from the National Journal to Rolling Stone cover the bipartisan push for criminal justice reform — an effort that includes everyone from Rand Paul to Cory Booker, the Koch brothers to even the ACLU — their go-to phrase to characterize the movement is "unlikely coalition." Actually, there's nothing particularly surprising about the fact that civil libertarians come in more than one flavor or political party. Disagreement on, say, taxation doesn't necessitate disagreement on mass incarceration.

Meanwhile, the media have treated the budding partnership between the ascendant Black Lives Matter and the perennially frustrated gun control movement as if it were the most natural thing in the world — probably because both efforts lean left. That alliance, however, is truly unlikely, even nonsensical. Historically, civil rights and gun control have been at odds.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1120-welch-blm-gun-control-20151120-story.html