Norden Combat Rifle Scope 1-6

[El Cid]

Not sure how I missed this during my research. Is it brand new? Anyone seen one in the wild and can comment on it?

http://nordenperformance.com/crs-scope/

I'm not sure if I like the reticle or not. The horseshoe seems to block a good bit of the target. I'm shopping for two variable scopes. One for a 10/22 (was leaning toward the Vortex Strike Eagle) and an upper for my SBR. It has a 12" LaRue bbl and I was looking hard at the Leupold Mk6 or the Trijicon Accupower.

Just saw the Norden this morning and want to see if it should be in the running. Thanks!

[Digital_Damage]

Not sure how I missed this during my research. Is it brand new? Anyone seen one in the wild and can comment on it?

http://nordenperformance.com/crs-scope/

I'm not sure if I like the reticle or not. The horseshoe seems to block a good bit of the target. I'm shopping for two variable scopes. One for a 10/22 (was leaning toward the Vortex Strike Eagle) and an upper for my SBR. It has a 12" LaRue bbl and I was looking hard at the Leupold Mk6 or the Trijicon Accupower.

Just saw the Norden this morning and want to see if it should be in the running. Thanks!

I'm not a fan of them illuminating the entire reticle, the numbering is unnecessary since it is sequential. The circles at extreme windage on 4 and 5 also not necessary. The circles on elevation is interesting.

For an 10/22 just get a weaver classic rimfire, parallax is optimized for 50y.
For an SBR go reflex, RDS, EoTech the right tools for the right job and all that.

[El Cid]

I'm not a fan of them illuminating the entire reticle, the numbering is unnecessary since it is sequential. The circles at extreme windage on 4 and 5 also not necessary. The circles on elevation is interesting.

For an 10/22 just get a weaver classic rimfire, parallax is optimized for 50y.
For an SBR go reflex, RDS, EoTech the right tools for the right job and all that.

I did think the entire reticle being illuminated was odd.

The SBR has an Aimpont micro already. I want a variable for the second upper. I want a shorty that allows me to reach out more easily. The 10/22 may get pressed into service for rat kills well inside 50. As good as the variable choices are these days I can find a need for a fixed power optic.

[Digital_Damage]

I did think the entire reticle being illuminated was odd.

The SBR has an Aimpont micro already. I want a variable for the second upper. I want a shorty that allows me to reach out more easily. The 10/22 may get pressed into service for rat kills well inside 50. As good as the variable choices are these days I can find a need for a fixed power optic.

Would get a 3x flip to side magnifier for the aimpoint then, 1-4 is just to much for an 11.5-12 SBR. Even a 14.5 is border line.

If you are going to be within 50 then the Strike Eagle is defiantly not a good choice for the 10/22, parallax is fixed at 100. Weaver and Leopold make a few rimfire specific scopes with the parallax set at 50 for that very reason.

[GH41]

Why would you want a Vortex 1X6 on the 10/22? Look at something made for rimfire with a fine crosshair and objective adjustable down to short ranges. I am very fond of the Nikon Target EFR.

[Failure2Stop]

Would get a 3x flip to side magnifier for the aimpoint then, 1-4 is just to much for an 11.5-12 SBR. Even a 14.5 is border line.

If you are going to be within 50 then the Strike Eagle is defiantly not a good choice for the 10/22, parallax is fixed at 100. Weaver and Leopold make a few rimfire specific scopes with the parallax set at 50 for that very reason.
I really like 11.5s with 1-4s.
Can break some hearts in 3-gun with them.

[Digital_Damage]

I really like 11.5s with 1-4s.
Can break some hearts in 3-gun with them.

typo, meant 1-6 as the OP was asking.

Also, most formal 3 gun are attempting to prohibit SBR's in IDPA tours . The crossing of state lines, paperwork and all that.

[El Cid]

There is no reason a variable can't be used with success on a SBR. Forget his screen name, but we have a member here who has used his with an ACOG to hit steel at 400+. Since my SBR has a red dot, I wanted the extra upper to be able to do something different. Hitting targets at 5-600 won't be limited by the barrel - it will be limited by me.

As for the 10/22, I want to be able to use it from 10 yards to 100. I was looking at the Accupower 1-4 but saw I can get a Strike Eagle with ADM mount for much less. The Ruger will use the Magpul stock and is waiting on the stamp to clear for its Mist-22. I want to squeeze as much precision from it as I can.

Overall I don't have any reason to use a fixed power scope. Nothing I shoot at will be outside the range of a variable and I still get the 1x use when I want a RDS.

[Digital_Damage]

There is no reason a variable can't be used with success on a SBR. Forget his screen name, but we have a member here who has used his with an ACOG to hit steel at 400+. Since my SBR has a red dot, I wanted the extra upper to be able to do something different. Hitting targets at 5-600 won't be limited by the barrel - it will be limited by me.

As for the 10/22, I want to be able to use it from 10 yards to 100. I was looking at the Accupower 1-4 but saw I can get a Strike Eagle with ADM mount for much less. The Ruger will use the Magpul stock and is waiting on the stamp to clear for its Mist-22. I want to squeeze as much precision from it as I can.

Overall I don't have any reason to use a fixed power scope. Nothing I shoot at will be outside the range of a variable and I still get the 1x use when I want a RDS.

Acog is fixed. and I'm guessing it is the common 3x variety, SBR can mean a lot of things. Using a 11.5-12 to try and reach 600m just does not make any sense to me. A 14.5 drop to 600m is 17.7 MOA. A 11.5 with 62g is a 175-200 fps drop at 10 yards, just estimating but at 600m that will be around a 22 moa drop.

Your issue will not be the magnification on the 10/22, it is the parallax. Unless you are using a .920 barrel, I would forget 100y with the 10/22. Even with the .920 the wind has to be dead still. At just under sub moa at 50y with a 10/22 will easily jump to 3 moa and 6.5 inch drop (with 40g) .

The classic Weaver is not fixed, it is a 3-9 and specifically designed for rimfire. Getting a center fire scope is actually a detriment in most cases for rimfire setups.

[El Cid]

Your issue will not be the magnification on the 10/22, it is the parallax. Unless you are using a .920 barrel, I would forget 100y with the 10/22. Even with the .920 the wind has to be dead still. At just under sub moa at 50y with a 10/22 will easily jump to 3 moa and 6.5 inch drop (with 40g) .

The classic Weaver is not fixed, it is a 3-9 and specifically designed for rimfire. Getting a center fire scope is actually a detriment in most cases for rimfire setups.

I'll do some more research - thanks. One of my goals is to have a 22 that in some aspects mimics my center fire rifles.

[Failure2Stop]

Big benefit with purpose built 22 optics is the close-range parallax adjustment.
I actually had a TA01 on my 15/22 for a while. No problem with clays at 100. Fit the intent.
I've been looking for a replacement, keep drifting back and forth between something like my primary and something more 22 specific.

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Knight's Armament Company: Military/Govt Product Liaison
F2S Consulting: Director of Shooting Stuff

[El Cid]

Acog is fixed. and I'm guessing it is the common 3x variety, SBR can mean a lot of things. Using a 11.5-12 to try and reach 600m just does not make any sense to me. A 14.5 drop to 600m is 17.7 MOA. A 11.5 with 62g is a 175-200 fps drop at 10 yards, just estimating but at 600m that will be around a 22 moa drop.

The goal isn't a SBR to use at 600. It's to experiment and stretch my abilities. I want a compact rifle that can reach out when necessary. In F2S's class I used a .308 but I pulled out my 16" 5.56 AR with a Z6i 1-6 at the 600 yard line just to see how it would do and was easily getting hits. The 12" upper will lose velocity but I'm looking to see what I can do with it. And a 1-4 or 1-6 lets me use it up close as a RDS.


Big benefit with purpose built 22 optics is the close-range parallax adjustment.
I actually had a TA01 on my 15/22 for a while. No problem with clays at 100. Fit the intent.
I've been looking for a replacement, keep drifting back and forth between something like my primary and something more 22 specific.

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Jack Leuba
Knight's Armament Company: Military/Govt Product Liaison
F2S Consulting: Director of Shooting Stuff
Thanks. The parallax was the only reason I kept finding for rimfire vs centerfire optics. That's why I was looking at 1-4 and 1-6 glass. When I'm not using an Aimpont, I'm using my Z6i 1-6's. In your DMR class last year it worked great from contact to 600. When we shot at 1000 I was out of reticle and didn't have reference points to adjust for your spotting. Most often I use them like Aimpoints which is why I thought a variable with true 1x would be good for the 10/22.

[SteveL]

I just tried an Aimpoint for the 2nd time and the dot with no other point of reference just doesn't work for me due to astigmatism. I can't aim it consistently because I can't tell where the dot ends and the streak begins. I just put a Vortex 1-6 on my BCM 11.5". It's definitely heavier, but based on what little shooting I've done with it so far I really like it. I'll know more after I run it next weekend in a class though.

[Digital_Damage]

I just tried an Aimpoint for the 2nd time and the dot with no other point of reference just doesn't work for me due to astigmatism. I can't aim it consistently because I can't tell where the dot ends and the streak begins. I just put a Vortex 1-6 on my BCM 11.5". It's definitely heavier, but based on what little shooting I've done with it so far I really like it. I'll know more after I run it next weekend in a class though.

Have you tried the Leuopld Prismatic Tactical? Seems to be a great option for those with astigmatism.

[SteveL]

Have you tried the Leuopld Prismatic Tactical? Seems to be a great option for those with astigmatism.

I have not. It looks interesting. I'll have to see if any of my local dealers have one so I can take a look at it in person.

Funny thing is I can shoot an Eotech no problem. My guess is because the dot is half the size and the ring around it helps center everything up.

[Digital_Damage]

I have not. It looks interesting. I'll have to see if any of my local dealers have one so I can take a look at it in person.

Funny thing is I can shoot an Eotech no problem. My guess is because the dot is half the size and the ring around it helps center everything up.

I'm trying to make the switch from eotech myself with the MRO, I'll be taking it out for my second round of testing to see if it is an option. Just cant get past the tube the aimpoint produces, make me feel down right claustrophobic.

I got to test the Prismatic awhile back. No real complaints other than the 3.5 inch eye relief prevents it from working with a magnifier and battery life seems to be short (but not eotech short), but the 1x image quality was far better than aimpoint and Eotech.

[SteveL]

I'm trying to make the switch from eotech myself with the MRO, I'll be taking it out for my second round of testing to see if it is an option. Just cant get past the tube the aimpoint produces, make me feel down right claustrophobic.

I got to test the Prismatic awhile back. No real complaints other than the 3.5 inch eye relief prevents it from working with a magnifier and battery life seems to be short (but not eotech short), but the 1x image quality was far better than aimpoint and Eotech.

I'll be interested to know how it works out for you. I really like using the Eotech, but I just had a problem with mine and had to send it back to the factory for repair. It just happened to coincide with all the latest drama surrounding them. Having it develop a problem with no real abuse does not inspire confidence in it.

[MistWolf]

A friend of mine has a integrally suppressed 77/22 and while there was noticeable drop with subsonic velocities, I saw no reason to not shoot it out to 100 yards. I've never seen any reason to not shoot my bone stock 10/22 with open sights at 100 yards. I wasn't getting tight groups, but a sitting rabbit at that range was mine. Of course, my eyes were much younger in those days.

I also see no reason not to mount a 1-4x or 1-6x on an SBR and give it a go. I think folks should take the time to push the range of their rifles and handguns just to see how much reach they have. The results will surprise many.

I took some time today to look at a few 1-4x & 1-6x scopes. Brands included Millet, Vortex, Swarovski & Steiner. The two that had the least distortion were Swarovski & Steiner. The Millet had too much "tunnel vision" and the Vortex had too much distortion at 1x. There was some distortion with the Swarovski & Steiner but it was far less. I think it's a challenge for makers to put out a distortion free 1x scope. It's been awhile since I've looked at the Leupold Mk6 1X6, but so far, it's the one with the least distortion at 1x.

I don't run optics on 22 rimfires, so I haven't looked at or used rimfire very much. However, based on my experience with optics, I'd suggest looking at a Leupold first. They seem to always have the best glass in any price range. After looking through a bunch of scopes today, I came away impressed with Steiner glass (with the exception of one that was expensive and looked like it was designed by Rube Goldberg) and plan to look closer at their offerings

[El Cid]

A friend of mine has a integrally suppressed 77/22 and while there was noticeable drop with subsonic velocities, I saw no reason to not shoot it out to 100 yards. I've never seen any reason to not shoot my bone stock 10/22 with open sights at 100 yards. I wasn't getting tight groups, but a sitting rabbit at that range was mine. Of course, my eyes were much younger in those days.

I also see no reason not to mount a 1-4x or 1-6x on an SBR and give it a go. I think folks should take the time to push the range of their rifles and handguns just to see how much reach they have. The results will surprise many.

I took some time today to look at a few 1-4x & 1-6x scopes. Brands included Millet, Vortex, Swarovski & Steiner. The two that had the least distortion were Swarovski & Steiner. The Millet had too much "tunnel vision" and the Vortex had too much distortion at 1x. There was some distortion with the Swarovski & Steiner but it was far less. I think it's a challenge for makers to put out a distortion free 1x scope. It's been awhile since I've looked at the Leupold Mk6 1X6, but so far, it's the one with the least distortion at 1x.

I don't run optics on 22 rimfires, so I haven't looked at or used rimfire very much. However, based on my experience with optics, I'd suggest looking at a Leupold first. They seem to always have the best glass in any price range. After looking through a bunch of scopes today, I came away impressed with Steiner glass (with the exception of one that was expensive and looked like it was designed by Rube Goldberg) and plan to look closer at their offerings

Awesome post - thanks! I will take a closer look at the Steiners. I want to try something different than my Z6i even though I love it. Leupold has a generous LE discount and I've long liked their products.

Have you had a chance to look through an Accupower 1-4?

I agree about using variables on SBR's. I am eager to try it out.

[MistWolf]

I did not look at the Accupower. None of the stores I went to today had one

[SteveL]

I looked at an Accupower with green segmented circle reticle. I was pretty impressed with it, but I didn't look through it back to back to back with other optics like MistWolf did.

MistWolf which Vortex 1-6 did you look at?