View Full Version : ** Updated - Pics Pg 4 ** Where are my Ruger 10/22 people? Buy new or assemble?
Ok - I made he mistake of shooting a friend's suppressed 10/22 a couple months ago. I now have a Gem-tech Mist 22 that is waiting on stamp approval. My dilemma now is whether or not to buy a complete 10/22 as a donor rifle, or assemble one from parts.
Part of the reason I'm leaning towards assembly is that I want to use the Magpul X22 stock and I will of course be replacing the factory bbl (for those who don't know the Gem-tech can is part suppressor and part bbl).
I found this option for a receiver: http://www.tacticalmachining.com/100-receivers/tm-22-receiver-13/tm-22-receiver.html
Advantages to an aftermarket receiver include a built in picatinny rail and a hole in the rear to allow a cleaning rod. And maybe better quality materials?
The concerns I have are mostly based on my not knowing what I don't know. I've built a few AR's but I know squat about the 10/22. Is it easy to assemble the small parts? Is it easy to install the trigger? Is it going to save me a lot of frustration just buying a $200 complete rifle and swapping the stock and bbl?
I'm hoping to learn from those of you who have gone before me. Thanks!
A 10/22 is even easier to put together than an AR15. It's blowback operated and all the small bits can be bought already assembled like the trigger group and bolt. There's really not much to it. I say assemble from scratch, I just hate tossing a bunch of perfectly good parts.
An alternative that's a real sleeper is to got a bone stock cheap one and send it to someone like Connecticut precision clambering and get the works. You'd have a total sleeper that can outperform fancy parts guns.
Failure2Stop
11-15-15, 17:12
I rebuilt my childhood 10/22 about a decade ago. Pretty simple.
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First off, everything about the 10/22 is stupid easy.
If you already have a bolt and receiver, it's a no brainer to go with CPC.
Even from scratch, building from aftermarket parts becomes very expensive, very fast. The quality of the receiver material is not that big a deal. Get a decent scope rail, if you use a rod, drill a hole in the back for cleaning and you're in business. The question is, how much do you want to spend?
wilson1911
11-15-15, 17:51
I would assemble. If you have ever shot a custom you will never go back. look at volquartsen for parts. Make it a gun to keep a lifetime.
SeriousStudent
11-15-15, 22:49
I bought a Ruger 10/22 receiver off Gunbroker for $100 shipped. Then I bought a Magpul 10/22 stock from G&R Tactical. All the other parts came from Kidd.
It took an evening to put it all together.
I got a very nice Nikon .22 scope from Natchez that was a factory refurb for half price. The whole thing with barrel, scope, parts, stock, etc was under a grand. I'm going to put a stainless .22 can on it, and wage war upon the local tree rat population.
I recently had a similar dilemma. I was leaning towards taking my stock 10/22 and putting the Magpul x22 on it. After some consideration, I knew I would want to swap some other parts in the process.
Long story short, I ended up leaving the 10/22 as is and finding a great deal on a tactical solutions x-ring .22 rifle. I'll be switching the hogue stock on the x-ring rifle for the Magpul x22.
I'm happy with the decision to leave the stock 10/22 alone. It would've cost quite a bit to swap out multiple parts, not to mention the extra parts that would be left unused. I say just go for something more custom from the beginning. You won't regret it.
tigershilone
11-16-15, 00:27
Whatever you do get a Kidd trigger assy! http://www.coolguyguns.com/KIDD-Single-Stage-Trigger-Unit-Drop-In_p_29.html Kidds are the best triggers for ruger period. (I like volquartsen components, but Kidd triggers beat em hands down)
The trigger is the most important part of the 10/22 after a great barrel. Just go ahead and get the full metal one listed above, it's a single stage that can go from 1.5 - 5lbs. I don't how he can sell them so cheap, the machine work is flawless, the feel fantastic, and finish is beautiful as well.
SeriousStudent
11-16-15, 00:38
That is what I have, the Kidd single stage. It does feel quite nice.
I'm looking forward to adding the can, and seeing how quiet it runs with some CCI .22 shorts or CB caps.
Thanks everyone! Very helpful stuff! I like the reviews on the Kidd trigger.
Found this - looks like this will be easy enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qyd76aWYVg
Thanks again.
tigershilone
11-16-15, 17:57
10/22's can do surprisingly well. Shooting mate of mine just scored a great priced volquartsen factory gun from GB a couple months ago and kicked ass the last couple times in the 22 steel dog challenge shoot we do monthly. Making the bolt guys a little envious and nervous as he took first both times. Biggest bitch so far is cleaning it, but it does have the rear hole drilled in the receiver to take a cleaning rod through the breech.
Another guy is running a full tacsol AR upper with a geissele SSA. He does ok but nothing like the bolts or volquartson. He also says the trigger starts to get real gritty around 200 rounds from all the 22 debris dumping in the trigger area after the shot. I think I'd rather have a dedicated 10/22 rig after hearing about his issues.
That Gem-tech Mist 22, looks like 8" of barrel and 8" of suppressor in one piece, that is going to be quiet and easily maneuvered.
Also looks like there is a relief screw port about 3.5" from the breach dumping into the shroud. I am assuming that is for shooting HV ammo and dumping pressure at that point keeps it from going supersonic. Same trick used by ruger and browning for their .22 pistols with the short 4 - 4.5" threaded barrels. Looks a lot like the Hunter town arms fusion22 with a better monocore.
Tell us how easy this is to clean when you get to play with it and what type of accuracy you get.
FlyingHunter
11-16-15, 19:51
10/22 is just a great rifle. I have my very first one and my current "go to" 10/22 which is a takedown suppressed version. Not sure if you plan on hunting with this but if you do - my recommendations shooting suppressed is to stick with the 1050 velocity over the 970 or below variety. The terminal effects are notable improved at 1050. The accuracy from my stock barrel are surprising. I would share my longest shot on a squirrel this season but no one would believe me. The suppressor takes the hunting to a new level of fun.
Good info again - thank you gents! Tigershilone, it is pretty much half bbl and half can. It has significantly more volume than most 22 cans and in the videos I've found it sounds about as loud as a stapler (hard to say for sure in a video of course). One shooter even reported an RO coming over and voicing concern over all the misfires he was having. lol! I have an Outback already and it's quiet so I am confident that the Mist will be even more quiet.
New question... got an email back from Tactical Solutions. Their X-ring receiver is only available with a 15MOA slope on the top rail. I can't imagine shooting this thing beyond 100 +/- yards. Is the slope going to have a negative effect up close? Thanks.
Good info again - thank you gents! Tigershilone, it is pretty much half bbl and half can. It has significantly more volume than most 22 cans and in the videos I've found it sounds about as loud as a stapler (hard to say for sure in a video of course). One shooter even reported an RO coming over and voicing concern over all the misfires he was having. lol! I have an Outback already and it's quiet so I am confident that the Mist will be even more quiet.
New question... got an email back from Tactical Solutions. Their X-ring receiver is only available with a 15MOA slope on the top rail. I can't imagine shooting this thing beyond 100 +/- yards. Is the slope going to have a negative effect up close? Thanks.
Depends on whether or not your build has any barrel droop. That's less likely if you use a non-Ruger receiver but still can happen.
I love the 10-22. I built this one off of an old $60 used receiver I found sitting in a drawer at my LGS. It's the only Ruger part on it. I'm a huge fan of Kidd. If I was doing it today, now that suppressors are legal in Minnesota, I'd have bought the barrel threaded. The Volquartsen trigger group is really nice, but definitely not nicer than the Kidd at about 1/2 the price.
http://SSEquine.net/ruger1022mod2sannotated.jpg
fallenromeo
11-17-15, 13:23
I have been wanting to build a 10/22 also, just have no idea where to start. I will be following this thread closely
Whatever you do get a Kidd trigger assy! http://www.coolguyguns.com/KIDD-Single-Stage-Trigger-Unit-Drop-In_p_29.html Kidds are the best triggers for ruger period. (I like volquartsen components, but Kidd triggers beat em hands down)
The trigger is the most important part of the 10/22 after a great barrel. Just go ahead and get the full metal one listed above, it's a single stage that can go from 1.5 - 5lbs. I don't how he can sell them so cheap, the machine work is flawless, the feel fantastic, and finish is beautiful as well.
On sale for $199 is cheap? That's more than what I paid for a complete 10/22!
Whether you should buy or build is a matter of simple economics. Since you already know know you'll be buying the barrel & stock separately, compare the cost of the receiver with bolt to what you'd be paying for a whole rifle and go from there. While you haven't indicated that you're committed to an aftermarket trigger pack, chances are you will end up wanting to replace the factory trigger if you buy a complete rifle
tigershilone
11-17-15, 14:58
New question... got an email back from Tactical Solutions. Their X-ring receiver is only available with a 15MOA slope on the top rail. I can't imagine shooting this thing beyond 100 +/- yards. Is the slope going to have a negative effect up close? Thanks.
You will be amazed how far out your can shoot .22 accurately. We regularly hit from 35 to 200 yards on our monthly steel match.
15 MOA is middle of the road for slope on aftermarket 10/22 receiver rails, most are 0, 10 or 20 MOA. I wouldn't hesitate to get a 15 MOA rail. Most QUALITY scopes should give you good bit of elevation adjustment. The SWFA 3-15 I use has 36 mils of elevation which is way over 100 MOA. Once the scope is sighted in close shots are no problem either (it's all dope)
something to consider, Grant has this: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=TSX&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3D%26searchstart%3D0%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/FullNav/SearchResult.html%26category%3DGSAL
I have been wanting to build a 10/22 also, just have no idea where to start. I will be following this thread closely
Watch the video in post #11 and then pic out a receiver and have it shipped to your local FFL.
I was just doing a little browsing on google and I found a company that offers an 80% 10/22 receiver.
http://www.ruger1022receiver.com/
tigershilone
11-17-15, 15:06
On sale for $199 is cheap? That's more than what I paid for a complete 10/22!
Cheaper than most Geisseles for AR's. A Geissele is just the spring, hammer, disconnect and trigger, the Kidd is a complete drop in unit in a beautifully machined housing and the break is equivalent to a SSA-E in my opinion. That being said, I hate Geissele now for spoiling me in how I think a trigger should feel, if I can get that type of feel in the 10/22 I'm doing it, and Kidd is a lot cheaper than volquartsen for the trigger pack.
Where you want to spend your hobby dollars? :D
Found a VQ trigger for $194: http://www.rimfiresports.com/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RSC&Product_Code=VCTP-1&Category_Code=R1A
Thanks for the X-Ring link to G&R! I found an old thread on here where Grant advertised them, but when I searched his site I couldn't find them. Good to know about the 15MOA rail. I think the X-Ring will be the path I take.
I did strongly consider just buying a complete new rifle for $189 - $229... but as mentioned, I'd immediately replace the bbl and stock so... Plus, I have time to buy the parts and spread out the cost since tax stamps are taking 5 - 6 months for Form 4's.
Thanks again gents!
And just when I think I have it figured out... lol!
Anyone have any thoughts/experience with the PWS Summit?
With trigger - $525 http://primaryweapons.com/store/product/summit-triggered-action/
Just receiver - $399 http://primaryweapons.com/store/product/summit-action/
I have a Summit with Kidd Barrel and Boyd stock and it's laser. It's also very quiet suppressed!
Pictured here before the Kidd Barrel swap.
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb244/a996hawk/20140906_163553_zpsqteshptf.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/a996hawk/media/20140906_163553_zpsqteshptf.jpg.html)
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SeriousStudent
11-17-15, 21:03
Nice stock - I really like that.
I'm thinking about picking up a CZ455 this Christmas, and like their version with that stock.
If you're looking to go the x-ring route, you can purchase one of a few different complete x-ring rifles for $748 from eurooptic. Comes complete with x-ring receiver, x-ring threaded barrel, and tactical solutions trigger. It's a great setup and the price is hard to beat.
Buying a new 10/22 from Ruger is cheaper, but building your own from parts can be more fun and you have more pride in something you built yourself. Not to mention you can make it as nice as your wallet will allow.
tigershilone
11-17-15, 23:57
The 2 rifles I use for Steel dogs competition (5ea strings of 10 targets from 35-200 yrds using .22LR, 1-3 minute time limit)
CZ455 Tacticool 16.5 threaded barrel, SWFA low rings and 3-15x42 with side focus wheel on EGW 0 MOA rail, Kydex adj. cheek riser, threaded bolt knob and Harris tilt bi-pod.
Ruger 10/22 50th anniversary ed. with factory threaded barrel, KIDD single stage trigger group, Magpul x22 stock with .5" riser, Nikon 3x9x40 BDC, FDE cerakote, Harris bi-pod
The can is a silencerco Spectre2, and here is a pic as to why you buy an EASY to clean 22 can:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/tigershilone/f83f59fd-f799-41fc-9942-d16f81d3fe25.jpg (http://s118.photobucket.com/user/tigershilone/media/f83f59fd-f799-41fc-9942-d16f81d3fe25.jpg.html)
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/tigershilone/media/45986bc5-a913-47bd-b6f6-3191570b1ff6.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
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Thanks guys but I already have the bbl/can.
And I just discovered the PWS Summit is not semi-auto so it's off the table. Looks like the Tac Sol X-ring is the winner.
For real quiet be sure to use a poly bolt buffer. Know that it still won't be as quiet as a bolt action unless you use a bolt lock.
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For real quiet be sure to use a poly bolt buffer. Know that it still won't be as quiet as a bolt action unless you use a bolt lock.
I changed my steel bolt buffer for a nylon bolt from the hardware store that I cut to length. It might not be as quiet as a poly buffer from Volquartzen, but it's a lot cheaper.
FlyingHunter
11-18-15, 18:14
For real quiet be sure to use a poly bolt buffer. Know that it still won't be as quiet as a bolt action unless you use a bolt lock.
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More info. please - I'm not familiar with this.
For real quiet be sure to use a poly bolt buffer. Know that it still won't be as quiet as a bolt action unless you use a bolt lock.
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IMHO, more important than a polyurethane bolt buffer is a well-machined bolt and a non-binding recoil rod. IMHO, most of the clacking comes from slop in the bolt-to-receiver fit. The Kidd bolt and recoil rod are excellent in that regard.
More info. please - I'm not familiar with this.
https://youtu.be/JqfmxMZVUSY
FlyingHunter
11-18-15, 18:31
https://youtu.be/JqfmxMZVUSY
Thank you gsh341.
More info. please - I'm not familiar with this.
Bolt Lock....eliminates all bolt noise allowing your semi to be bolt action quiet. Can be purchased on ebay for $13.
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Well I have everything I need except the bbl/suppressor. Just waiting on ATF now. It will be funny to have a 10/22 where the only Ruger parts are the magazines.
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/FullSizeRender_zpslys1ff1x.jpg
New question... got an email back from Tactical Solutions. Their X-ring receiver is only available with a 15MOA slope on the top rail. I can't imagine shooting this thing beyond 100 +/- yards. Is the slope going to have a negative effect up close? Thanks.
My inclination has been to stay away from the one=piece receivers with built-in scope base. I've only used Ruger receivers in the three 10-22's that I've built and scope bases with anywhere from 0 to -20 MOA are readily available. Likewise, the Kidd receivers have multiple different scope bases available that can be swapped out as needed. You order the receiver with the scope base of choice, but you can always go back and slap on another one if your distance requirements change.
About twenty years ago I bought a new, stock 10/22. Then even before I shot it, I replaced everything but the bolt, and receiver. Barrel, stock, trigger group, etc. I used mostly Power Custom and Volquartsen parts. I still have it and it shoots sub MOA bench rested. If you can find a used 10/22 in good shape, for a decent price, they you could replace parts over time, and not break the bank. As others have said, its all about what you want to spend, but they are EASY to work on.
Thanks guys. I did find an older but new in box Tac-Sol receiver with a 0 MOA rail. The trigger is from Kidd.
Test fitting the optic I may need to snag the taller comb for the stock.
For real quiet be sure to use a poly bolt buffer. Know that it still won't be as quiet as a bolt action unless you use a bolt lock.
Bolt re-working (Que) with an upgraded recoil rod and spring (better would be a Kidd bolt) tends to be more effective than a urethane buffer. Certainly though, those buffers are cheap enough. My preference is the Kidd viton stop with steel core. It's that last step after replacing the bolt, recoild rod, spring, and bolt handle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSIbnfg9nnI
My PWS Summit has a 20moa top rail and it poses no problems shooting at closer distances. I shoot easily from 0-200+.
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For real quiet be sure to use a poly bolt buffer. Know that it still won't be as quiet as a bolt action unless you use a bolt lock.
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I recently replaced my home-made nylon bolt buffer with a 1/8" steel pin and a piece of nylon hose with a 1/4" OD and a 1/8" ID. It works great, even compared to the nylon bolt, and cost me pennies. When the piece of hose wears out, I still have another 10" of hose left to make replacements.
The wait is over and I was able to get everything assembled and shot it today. I'm going to have to spend some time figuring out what ammo and what mags it likes. It clearly wanted nothing to do with the Hightower 25rd mag. Luckily the Ruger 15rd mag worked like a champ.
The optic will not stay on the rifle. The view is great but it makes the whole thing way too top heavy and unbalanced. I'll find a cheap red dot and call it a day.
It's quiet but it's hard to tell how quiet. Need to do a side by side of a friends 10/22 with his Sparrow. The Cerakote color is Tactical Grey and I'm thrilled with how it turned out!! Looking at the colors online sucks for all Cerakote. But the various grey shades were making me crazy. Thanks to Capitol Armory for a superb coating on this and my pistol can.
So here it is. A 10/22 with no Ruger parts. Lol! Well except a couple mags.
Magpul Stock
Tactical Solutions X-Ring receiver
Kidd trigger
Gem-Tech Mist 22 bbl/suppressor
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/FullSizeRender_zps9y2d5a0k.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/FullSizeRender_zpsxnpkjeye.jpg
The wait is over and I was able to get everything assembled and shot it today. I'm going to have to spend some time figuring out what ammo and what mags it likes. It clearly wanted nothing to do with the Hightower 25rd mag. Luckily the Ruger 15rd mag worked like a champ.
The optic will not stay on the rifle. The view is great but it makes the whole thing way too top heavy and unbalanced. I'll find a cheap red dot and call it a day.
It's quiet but it's hard to tell how quiet. Need to do a side by side of a friends 10/22 with his Sparrow. The Cerakote color is Tactical Grey and I'm thrilled with how it turned out!! Looking at the colors online sucks for all Cerakote. But the various grey shades were making me crazy. Thanks to Capitol Armory for a superb coating on this and my pistol can.
So here it is. A 10/22 with no Ruger parts. Lol! Well except a couple mags.
Magpul Stock
Tactical Solutions X-Ring receiver
Kidd trigger
Gem-Tech Mist 22 bbl/suppressor
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/FullSizeRender_zps9y2d5a0k.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/FullSizeRender_zpsxnpkjeye.jpg
For bolt action quiet you can add a bolt lock like this one available on eBay
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The optic will not stay on the rifle. The view is great but it makes the whole thing way too top heavy and unbalanced. I'll find a cheap red dot and call it a day.
Nice work - the problem with the optic is the excess weight of the QD mount. Buy some low rings that weigh nearly nothing and you'll find the balance restored.
I have 4x28 Weavers on my 10/22 in B-square low rings - featherweight and for a 22LR I think 4x fixed is perfect.
Here is my Feddersen barreled 10/22 named Reaper.
http://i67.tinypic.com/mjwiko.jpg
This is Sleeper with a Kidd barrel at my 150 yd table.
http://i65.tinypic.com/9jdm3p.jpg
This is the one I sold, the baby Barrett.
http://i68.tinypic.com/vnmq2e.jpg
Here is my Feddersen barreled 10/22 named Reaper.
http://i67.tinypic.com/mjwiko.jpg
This is Sleeper with a Kidd barrel at my 150 yd table.
http://i65.tinypic.com/9jdm3p.jpg
This is the one I sold, the baby Barrett.
http://i68.tinypic.com/vnmq2e.jpg
Very nice! I had no idea how much there is in the 10/22 aftermarket until this project.
Nice work - the problem with the optic is the excess weight of the QD mount. Buy some low rings that weigh nearly nothing and you'll find the balance restored.
I have 4x28 Weavers on my 10/22 in B-square low rings - featherweight and for a 22LR I think 4x fixed is perfect.
Thanks! I considered rings but given my locale I'm lucky to be able to shoot out to 100yds. You're probably right about the QD mount and while I've never considered ADM heavy, on an AR it's much less noticeable.
I ended up snagging a Vortex Sparc II off Promotive. Shot it today and am very pleased.
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/FullSizeRender_zpsf9hz01zu.jpg
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