View Full Version : Narrowed my search to 2 scopes. Accupower and VX3. Thoughts?
Hi guys,
Ive been obsessing over optics for the past couple of weeks and narrowed my search to the Leupold VX3 PN 67585 Illuminated Duplex and Trijicon Accupower 1900019 Green Illuminated Duplex.
https://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting/scopes/vx-3-riflescopes/vx-3-3-5-10x50mm-illuminated-reticle/
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=RS22-C-1900019
The crosshairs on the Leupold are .2moa, the Accupower .125
The magnification on Leupold is 3.5-10, the accupower 2.5-10
Lens size on Leupold is 50, the Accupower is 56
Did I narrow down to the correct scopes and reticles?
The Gun:
16: 5.56 Mega arms barrel, keymod rail, RCA BCG, Mega Upper receiver, Mega Lower, Mega Trigger, Mega Slide Lock charging handle. Mega advertises the barrel as sub-moa.
My objective was to have an illuminated scope of better or equal quality to my M223 and Viper PST. I originally wanted an illuminated dot, but with Im really just groups on paper. The dot was about 1moa and that would cover too much of the target for really precise shots. I use the word precise loosely because the my local range maxes out at 300 yards and Ill mostly be shooting at 100-200.
If cost were equal, which scope would you choose and why? The VX3 retails for more, but there is a rebate making them closer.
waveslayer
11-21-15, 16:55
what meets your needs? I look at reticle and what will be reliable . meaning if I click it once, is it really what they say it is? .250 MOA or not. a lot of scopes aren't true adjustments
what meets your needs? I look at reticle and what will be reliable . meaning if I click it once, is it really what they say it is? .250 MOA or not. a lot of scopes aren't true adjustments
I'm not concerned about "a lot of scopes" How does that relate to these 2?
waveslayer
11-21-15, 19:57
what reticles are in these two? options? that's how it relates. want one with some ballistics crap. or one that has some Mil. or MOA hash marks?
Digital_Damage
11-21-15, 20:21
IMO no on both ... way over kill on a 5.56 and border line useless with a duplex.
Wait a few more pay checks and get something more useful.
what reticles are in these two? options? that's how it relates. want one with some ballistics crap. or one that has some Mil. or MOA hash marks?
The OP says duplex.
IMO no on both ... way over kill on a 5.56 and border line useless with a duplex.
Wait a few more pay checks and get something more useful.
Such as?
What could be less overkill less useless and more money?
waveslayer
11-21-15, 21:11
The OP says duplex.
well... I prefer the Leupold. seems to be a tad more clear in low light situations
waveslayer
11-21-15, 21:14
and over kill. seriously. I run my AR with a BEAST
How much paper punching do you really do in low-light?
Get the one with the thinnest crosshair for target shooting.
waveslayer
11-21-15, 23:32
not a lot but if you hunt or self defense. ..
How much paper punching do you really do in low-light?
Get the one with the thinnest crosshair for target shooting.
Me and my idiot friends go to the range in during snow and rain, but not necessarily dusk or dawn. The thinnest crosshairs goes to accupower @.125 moa. The illumination can be turned off, so it's an option that i dont mind having.
xBlack-Watch18
11-23-15, 04:34
Can anyone explain what First Focal Plane means and is it worth the extra $500 average?
Digital_Damage
11-23-15, 08:36
Such as?
What could be less overkill less useless and more money?
If you really want a 50mm objective, Viper PST 4-16x50 FFP. Couple hundred more.
But IMO 50mm objective for 100-200 yard shooting is ridiculous and unnecessary a 32-40 would be better suited.
If I was on a tight budget and I plan on most 100y shooting sometimes 300y. Viper PST 2.5-10x32 FFP would be my choice.
Digital_Damage
11-23-15, 08:37
and over kill. seriously. I run my AR with a BEAST
Wut
for 100-200y shooting?
waveslayer
11-23-15, 09:38
Wut
for 100-200y shooting?
yes, and to 1000. usually 100 for my OCW tests, then 200 to 300 to confirm my load. then out to 1000. I haven't gone past that, too far to drive to throw .223 out past 1000
If you really want a 50mm objective, Viper PST 4-16x50 FFP. Couple hundred more.
But IMO 50mm objective for 100-200 yard shooting is ridiculous and unnecessary a 32-40 would be better suited.
If I was on a tight budget and I plan on most 100y shooting sometimes 300y. Viper PST 2.5-10x32 FFP would be my choice.
I was shopping more for reticle than objective size.
What makes the duplex useless?
waveslayer
11-23-15, 10:00
I was shopping more for reticle than objective size.
What makes the duplex useless?
it's not totally useless but if you zero at 100, it's nice to have hash marks so you know which hash mark puts you at 300 yards for example rather then just holding over 8 inches or whatever your drop is. that's why First focal Plane comes into play and us superior then SFP
Digital_Damage
11-23-15, 10:16
I was shopping more for reticle than objective size.
What makes the duplex useless?
The Leopold option you listed has no on the fly turrets.
The duplex will only be useful if you only ever shoot at one distance.
With some milling and FFP you can do holdovers if you don't have the turret options.
Digital_Damage
11-23-15, 10:29
yes, and to 1000. usually 100 for my OCW tests, then 200 to 300 to confirm my load. then out to 1000. I haven't gone past that, too far to drive to throw .223 out past 1000
The beast is intended for 1500m... 5x25 56 objective, using to for 1000y is unnecessary. 4-16/18 44 will have enough internal adjustment on most models.
He is only going to be shooting 100y-200y possibly 300y.
waveslayer
11-23-15, 10:46
The beast is intended for 1500m... 5x25 56 objective, using to for 1000y is unnecessary. 4-16/18 44 will have enough internal adjustment on most models.
He is only going to be shooting 100y-200y possibly 300y.
out of curiosity where does it state the BEAST is for 1500 meters?
I love these type of arguments. that's like me wanting a car for work... get the nice Camary, Accord or I can drive a Mercedes AMG or Porsche. .. but the Porsche and Mercedes has too much horespower!
when have you ever complained that you had too much zoom? or horsepower? unless you are racing and aren't skilled in running a car with a lot of horsepower...
if you have more zoom the better, or magnification, you get the point. if you have a 5x25 just set the magnification to 16 then. .. I will be on 25 you can be on 16
Digital_Damage
11-23-15, 13:23
out of curiosity where does it state the BEAST is for 1500 meters?
I love these type of arguments. that's like me wanting a car for work... get the nice Camary, Accord or I can drive a Mercedes AMG or Porsche. .. but the Porsche and Mercedes has too much horespower!
when have you ever complained that you had too much zoom? or horsepower? unless you are racing and aren't skilled in running a car with a lot of horsepower...
if you have more zoom the better, or magnification, you get the point. if you have a 5x25 just set the magnification to 16 then. .. I will be on 25 you can be on 16
The amount of adjustment, magnification and field of view dictates the possible range... 30+ mil
We test optics for the .gov...
If you want a +40oz scope on a 5.56 rifle that has a max range of 1000m that is your business, but it is unnecessary and ridiculous.
waveslayer
11-23-15, 13:29
The amount of adjustment, magnification and field of view dictates the possible range... 30+ mil
We test optics for the .gov...
If you want a +40oz scope on a 5.56 rifle that has a max range of 1000m that is your business, but it is unnecessary and ridiculous.
of course it's unnecessary. didn't recommend the BEAST, Government tester...
and yes its ridiculous, but for me it works. I prefer it over my EO Techs, ACOGs etc...
I prefer to have 1 or 2 really nice scopes and use then on all my rifles. no point in throwing money away for glass every time you buy a long gun. if you have it and it works, why not?
back to the OP, never suggested the BEAST. of I did then I can see your point.
I only run the BEAST on my long range AR.. I run it with my DTA , .308's etc.. no point in buying a cheap VX3 for a AR to take at distance.
Woah hold up on the cheap vx3. To me it's a fotune. Lol
waveslayer
11-23-15, 14:11
Woah hold up on the cheap vx3. To me it's a fotune. Lol
sorry, cheap compared to the BEAST that they raised the price on!
Digital_Damage
11-23-15, 14:24
Woah hold up on the cheap vx3. To me it's a fotune. Lol
for your use I think you would really dig the viper PST FFP Line better.
It is a little more, but for that cost you get everything the others have + parallax, turrets and some milling
The PST crosshairs are also .2 like the Leupold.
waveslayer
11-23-15, 14:25
for your use I think you would really dig the viper PST FFP Line better.
It is a little more, but for that cost you get everything the others have + parallax, turrets and some milling
The PST crosshairs are also .2 like the Leupold.
+1 good value there. just skip lunch for a week and you can pay the difference in cost
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