View Full Version : Belgian terror raids = GUN PICS
Moose-Knuckle
11-23-15, 02:21
Over the weekend there were large raids in Belgium for terror suspects.
Belgium sent their pipe hitters (SFG) into the slum aka Muslim enclave of Sint-Jans-Molenbeek, here they are seen with their FN SCAR-Ls:
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Belgian Paratroopers armed with FNCs and FN-2000s were stationed all over the country in support of various raids and a heightened level of security at sensitive sites to include government buildings and a Jewish neighborhood.
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All over the country, Belgian Police have been on high alert armed with Hi-Powers, AUGs, UZIs, MP5s, and UMPs:
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As cool as this all is, it's generally pretty useless if the government is allowing in thousands of the enemy, and allowing those already there (including many born there) to fester their hatred in mosques, behind closed doors and in their communities that will never assimilate to the 21st century, or the 8th century for that matter.
From our experience in Afghanistan and Iraq, this enemy prefers to hide among civilians in the face of superior armed opposition. When you have uniformed guys around, they won't come out and fight. Europe needs to arm its citizens. The sheep need to be given some teeth.
Averageman
11-23-15, 06:05
By next summer it will be necessary to go door to door in these ghetto enclaves that house these terrorists.
Belgium, France, Germany, Austria are all gonna take it in the shorts until the come to the conclusion having these folks in your country isn't an conducive to peace and prosperity.
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-23-15, 08:14
Now that is diversity that I like...
man that UMP looks SICK!!
I do not wish to make light of a terrible situation. That said, they all look like something out of a Luc Besson movie. Where everyone has a different, weird Euro gun.
Seriously, play orchestral soundtrack from Nikita or Leon and it matches.
Bonus points to SWAT ninja with the UZI giving a "wish a MFer would" vibe.
According to the news the good guys were to stand guard till today as the threat was for over the weekend. HMMMMM.
I'd say too little too late but that would be an understatement.
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-23-15, 11:23
man that UMP looks SICK!!
Probably the 9mm version :(
Mauser KAR98K
11-23-15, 12:52
Does FN still make the FNC?
By next summer it will be necessary to go door to door in these ghetto enclaves that house these terrorists.
Belgium, France, Germany, Austria are all gonna take it in the shorts until the come to the conclusion having these folks in your country isn't an conducive to peace and prosperity.
It has been necessary to do that for a long time. I don't think the politicians have wits to see that, nor the balls to actually do it.
The crapy part is that in order to defeat fascism, one will have to appear fascist. When you have 10's of millions of fascists living in your country, there simply is no other way.
According to the news the good guys were to stand guard till today as the threat was for over the weekend. HMMMMM.
I'd say too little too late but that would be an understatement.
Lol, yeah, as if the threat is something you can take out in one weekend.
They will catch/kill this group of jihadis. There's already 100's of such attacks in the works, and thousands willing to carry them out, and millions supporting their aims.
THe next attack will come, flowers will be laid, John Lennon songs will be sung, candles will be lit, more Sharia will come, more civil liberties will be lost, and the Muslims will spread, all the while the media will keep warning us about "backlash", Islamophobia and restraint.
It might be just me but a 9mm AUG seems rather pointless especially given that the officers side arm is probably 9mm.
I don't know about you guys but I prefer my rifles to fire rifle projectiles...
MountainRaven
11-23-15, 13:32
It might be just me but a 9mm AUG seems rather pointless especially given that the officers side arm is probably 9mm.
I don't know about you guys but I prefer my rifles to fire rifle projectiles...
Handguns with stocks, basically.
Easier to shoot accurately and quickly to a longer range.
Handguns with stocks, basically.
Easier to shoot accurately and quickly to a longer range.
Right, I'd still prefer mine chambered in 5.56, otherwise give me an MP5 or other subgun to fling 9mm.
OMG the FNC..... I need it. I neeeeeeeeeeed it.
Subguns are kind of a Cold War era hold over.
The CAR-15/XM-177E1 was actually one of the first real attempts at an SBR. People could argue for the AK but...meh the technology wasn't quite there yet.
Most SMGs are blowback. Plus people think a pistol caliber isn't as 'bad' as a rifle round. That and Body Armor wasn't so common.
Now....SMGs seem quaint. If I could have one...and only one...I want an M1 Thompson. I've shot Colts (they a'ight), MP5s (they a bit better), UMPs (which we call Uh-mps down here. Hated it.).
But I got to play with an old M1 Thompson and no other gun, save for a Colt Single Action or a Garand, makes you feel like Eastwood, the Duke, and Charles Bronson all at once.
It might be just me but a 9mm AUG seems rather pointless especially given that the officers side arm is probably 9mm.
I don't know about you guys but I prefer my rifles to fire rifle projectiles...
Not any different than carrying a MP5.
Right, I'd still prefer mine chambered in 5.56, otherwise give me an MP5 or other subgun to fling 9mm.
The 9mm AUG is select fire.
The 9mm AUG is select fire.
Is the 5.56 not?
Moose-Knuckle
11-23-15, 14:58
Now that is diversity that I like...
No kidding, I can't think of another Western European nation that has such a variety of small arms. I was like a kid looking at all those pics from different news sources, especially the old school IMI UZIs and FN FNCs!
What's the galil looking rifle? Maybe a dawoo variant?
3rd pic in op
Moose-Knuckle
11-23-15, 15:28
What's the galil looking rifle? Maybe a dawoo variant?
3rd pic in op
FN FNC.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/be/fn-fnc-e.html
titsonritz
11-23-15, 20:00
I have always drooled over those FNCs.
2 police officers guarding the evacuation process of the Germany vs Netherlands soccer match this past Tuesday.
HecklerAndKoch MP5
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Now that FNC is probably one of the coolest looking rifles I've seen in a while...
It's got a really great "old-school star wars meets post-apocalypse" vibe going on there- like something you could see either Boba Fett or Mad Max toting. :cool:
I find it interesting that apparently irons only still seems to be the order of the day there, even on rifles like the above where it could have an optic.
I mean, obviously, an Uzi probably will likely never see that option available, but still...
Is the 5.56 not?
Yes it is. Just as the HK53 is 5.56 and the MP5 is 9mm in a similar size package. One has inherent advantages over the other depending upon applications and 9mm SMG vs. 5.56 short assault rifle has been debated for awhile now.
But given the fact that the threat is likely to be terrorists wearing explosives and armed with AKM type weapons, I'd probably prefer a 5.56 platform as well.
No kidding, I can't think of another Western European nation that has such a variety of small arms. I was like a kid looking at all those pics from different news sources, especially the old school IMI UZIs and FN FNCs!
Those Uzi's are probably FN's.
Now that FNC is probably one of the coolest looking rifles I've seen in a while...
It's got a really great "old-school star wars meets post-apocalypse" vibe going on there- like something you could see either Boba Fett or Mad Max toting. :cool:
I find it interesting that apparently irons only still seems to be the order of the day there, even on rifles like the above where it could have an optic.
I mean, obviously, an Uzi probably will likely never see that option available, but still...
Rail mounts for both Uzis and FNCs are readily available.
MountainRaven
11-23-15, 21:26
The big thing to me is that so few of them have weapon lights.
I can see environmental concerns for not wanting to have or rely on an optical sight (winter, northern Europe... snow, rain, high humidity and low temperatures)... but no white lights? Not even old incandescents? I guess that makes sense in 1990 or 2000, but 2015? Seems like a Bad Idea.
The big thing to me is that so few of them have weapon lights.
I can see environmental concerns for not wanting to have or rely on an optical sight (winter, northern Europe... snow, rain, high humidity and low temperatures)... but no white lights? Not even old incandescents? I guess that makes sense in 1990 or 2000, but 2015? Seems like a Bad Idea.
I'm sure they'd have them if they felt they needed them.
I know that female police = drama/control issues/ball busting
But the two MP5 girls.... Challenge accepted.
I dub them the 2 Heckler & Koch girls. Hardnose Belgian PoPo by day, snarky waitresses by night.
MountainRaven
11-23-15, 22:00
I'm sure they'd have them if they felt they needed them.
I'd figured that it's an admin/garrison thing.
I know that female police = drama/control issues/ball busting
But the two MP5 girls.... Challenge accepted.
I dub them the 2 Heckler & Koch girls. Hardnose Belgian PoPo by day, snarky waitresses by night.
I like the Brunette on the right. Very pretty:)
I've shot the FNC and it was a very accurate rifle with just iron sights. I liked that it used standard AR mags too. They are just too pricey now.
Did someone say FNC?
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I got a kick out of all the Beretta M12's the French were using. Wanted one of those since I was in middle school. Knew a guy who shot a local steel match with one. He let me shoot it and it was very controllable. He even had a custom made can and optic mount for a mini RDS.
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-23-15, 22:38
2 police officers guarding the evacuation process of the Germany vs Netherlands soccer match this past Tuesday.
HecklerAndKoch MP5
Heckler and HOT!
Heckler and HOT!
You could do a lot worse than having those two handcuff you. Just sayin.
You could do a lot worse than having those two handcuff you. Just sayin.
Je suis en droit à une fouille à nu!
Je suis en droit à une fouille à nu!
I don't know what that means but it sounds hottttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
I know that female police = drama/control issues/ball busting
But the two MP5 girls.... Challenge accepted.
I dub them the 2 Heckler & Koch girls. Hardnose Belgian PoPo by day, snarky waitresses by night.
Is it sad that the first thing I noticed were the slimline hand guards?
titsonritz
11-23-15, 23:30
Je suis en droit à une fouille à nu!
هذا كيف تحصل على انتباههم
وأنا يحق لي بحث قطاع
Is it sad that the first thing I noticed were the slimline hand guards?
No. It means more 2 Heckler and Koch Girls for me
Is it bad that I kinda hope they live together and have wild adventures from time to time?
One is a fastidious conservative girly girl and the other is sassy and streetsmart. And no matter what happens they'll always have each other
هذا كيف يمكنك انتباههم...
وأنا يحق لي بحث قطاع!
Je ne parle pas le langue du Païen. Mince le Païen!
ETA spelling, my french is rusty and tis all in good fun once I googled your heathen scribbles :p
No. It means more 2 Heckler and Koch Girls for me
Is it bad that I kinda hope they live together and have wild adventures from time to time?
One is a fastidious conservative girly girl and the other is sassy and streetsmart. And no matter what happens they'll always have each other
I think I saw a movie like that once.
Moose-Knuckle
11-24-15, 01:02
Those Uzi's are probably FN's.
I never realized that FN produced a copy of the Uzi. Damn, learn something new everyday.
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-24-15, 01:32
Is it sad that the first thing I noticed were the slimline hand guards?
Trigger fingers discipline.
I never realized that FN produced a copy of the Uzi. Damn, learn something new everyday.
Try this. The FN Uzi was adopted by German tanker crews as the MP2 in 1959.
And because somebody is certain to ask, the MP1 was the Beretta Model 38/49. The MP2 was the Uzi. The MP3 and MP4 were reportedly the Walther MPL and MPK. The MP5 is the military designation for what was originally the HK-54.
Trigger fingers discipline.
German girls know a thing or two about discipline.
Moose-Knuckle
11-24-15, 03:03
Try this. The FN Uzi was adopted by German tanker crews as the MP2 in 1959.
And because somebody is certain to ask, the MP1 was the Beretta Model 38/49. The MP2 was the Uzi. The MP3 and MP4 were reportedly the Walther MPL and MPK. The MP5 is the military designation for what was originally the HK-54.
Thanks for the education. Out of all the seeming innumerable old school Western European sub guns; I always thought the Walther MPL was the sexiest of them all with the Franchi LF-57 a close second.
I'm sure they'd have them if they felt they needed them.
They would feel like they needed them if they spent any time using said weapons in real life, vs. just going to the range.
I am willing to bet 99% of these Europeans' cool guns have been locked up in the armory since before weaponlights even became a thing.
They would feel like they needed them if they spent any time using said weapons in real life, vs. just going to the range.
I am willing to bet 99% of these Europeans' cool guns have been locked up in the armory since before weaponlights even became a thing.
And I'd be willing to bet that you're wrong.
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-24-15, 09:14
I'm not saying that they are out shooting them, but from what I remember, Eu countries like to finger-bang their sub-guns in public a lot more than Americans- especially pre- 9/11. I don't know if it is that they use them like we would use shotguns here in the States.
Moose-Knuckle
11-24-15, 14:06
I'm not saying that they are out shooting them, but from what I remember, Eu countries like to finger-bang their sub-guns in public a lot more than Americans- especially pre- 9/11. I don't know if it is that they use them like we would use shotguns here in the States.
My parents were in Paris in '98 for the World Cup, my mom told me she saw LEOs with MP5s at the games and other events.
I'm not saying that they are out shooting them, but from what I remember, Eu countries like to finger-bang their sub-guns in public a lot more than Americans- especially pre- 9/11. I don't know if it is that they use them like we would use shotguns here in the States.
Yeah, in 1984 I remember guys with MP5s and dogs strolling the airport in Frankfurt. They view shotguns the way the average american views subguns.
Yeah, in 1984 I remember guys with MP5s and dogs strolling the airport in Frankfurt. They view shotguns the way the average american views subguns.
its funny how 2 vastly different guns can be successfully used in the same/similar manner and be thought of poorly by each other.:rolleyes:
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