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In Paris, Obama Says That Only The US Experiences Mass Shootings...
http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/01/paris-obama-says-only-us-experiences-mass-shootings-video/
Umm, wtf?
Dist. Expert 26
12-01-15, 11:46
This goes back to our thread about him being mentally ill. Apparently he operates under the delusion that if he repeats a fallacy often enough, it will somehow become true.
Wow....just wow.
That was some insane level of insensitivity and disrespect to America and France alike.
Averageman
12-01-15, 12:31
"I say this every time we’ve got one of these mass shootings,” Obama continued. “This just doesn’t happen in other countries.”
Didn't anyone point out the bullet holes left behind by the Refugee's a week or so previous to his little gun hate speech, or did he spend so much time in Chicago that overlooking certain segments of the populations occasional gun play is just taken in stride?
Delusional, with his entire head buried in the sand.
Stupid statements have become the expected norm from this Bozo.
Stupid statements have become the expected norm from this Bozo.
Just when I think he can't say anything dumber, he comes along to prove me wrong.
He just keeps lowering the bar.
So according to Obummer Paris did not happen?
There were six mass shootings in Paris. That's more then America has had in two or three years.
Are the French citizens pissed about this? they should be.
Maybe he thinks Paris is in one of the 52 states.
Wow....just wow.
That was some insane level of insensitivity and disrespect to America and France alike.
No kidding. I assume this was followed by the standard, we know this was not an act representative of Muslims and that true Islam teaches peace.
Ya'll is just a bunch of haters. Haters gonna hate..........Let him get on with saving the planet for pity sake.
Averageman
12-01-15, 17:45
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/01/obama-criticizes-lack-u-s-gun-control-paris-pledges-executive-action/
On November 12 CBS News reported that Obama has given a team of “White House lawyers” the job of finding a way that executive action can be used to expand background checks. And Breitbart News reported that part of what is being sought is an arbitrary threshold that can be set on private gun sales. Citizens who sell more than the allowable level will be forced to do background checks on every sale.
Obama and the Democrat Party have been obsessed with expanding background checks since Adam Lanza attacked Sandy Hook Elementary on December 14, 2012. Yet it is interesting to note that expanded background checks would not have hindered that attack in the slightest, because Lanza stole the guns he used–he did not buy them.
http://www.breitbart.com/obama/2015/12/01/obamas-top-8-idiotic-statements-paris/
Obama Says That Mass Shootings “Just [Don’t] Happen in Other Countries.” Obama said this in France. In Paris. Where three weeks ago, ISIS-affiliated gunmen shot and killed 130 people. Where in January, Muslim terrorists murdered 12 people at Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket. Yes, mass shootings happen in other countries. And they are actually deadlier, if less frequent, in other countries.
I see the need for more ammo.
He's not delusional, nor otherwise mentally ill, although he may suffer from a nicotine addiction. The man wants to destroy this country. Simple as that.
Pathological lying sociopath. The world is his chessboard.
Terrorists attack Paris = Accept more refugees, elevate the global warming agenda
Lunatic attacks Colorado PD/civilians = Down with Christians & gun owners, up with Planned Parenthood
Give guns to the Mexican Cartels = Ban guns from American citizens
Give guns to IS/AQI = ban guns in the EU
His agenda knows no bounds. Master of the political pivot. I can see him pivoting to the UN after the presidency. Better yet, he will "work around" the UN. Perhaps he is The Mahdī. The 12th Imam.
Averageman
12-01-15, 19:21
Do you think you would have ever seen "Ike" Eisenhower so vain as to have used a "Selfie Stik"?
He's not so smart, most likely delusional. He is spoon fed his policy, it has little to do with what is best for our Republic
He has his head neck deep in the sand and his butt in the air on the beach and The beach is on Fire Island.
Guess what happens next?
Unfortunately the 47% elected this Mope as the "Leader of the Free World".
I can see him pivoting to the UN after the presidency.
Zero doubt on this one. The man already has a Nobel Peace Prize. Nobody can explain why, but the damned thing is hanging on his wall...
Cincinnatus
12-01-15, 19:26
Look up the Neo-Marxist ideology of "Degrowthers," and you'll understand that Obama is not incompetent, but deliberately cutting this country down to second or third world status. He is not just a Marxist, but an international Marxist.
Degrowthers want to destroy borders and traditional culture and spread third world problems to first world countries.
Degrowthers want powers of redistribution and a police state through phony emergencies like climate change.
Degrowthers want to do away with concepts like national sovereignty in exchange for a collective international world government, of which the EU is a forerunner and a microcosm.
Degrowthers want to REDUCE the productivity and the amount of jobs in a nation because productivity is a product of the industrial revolution; and captitalism, freemarkets and individual economic independence depend on decent jobs.
Degrowthers want to cut off consumption of fossil fuels and make sure countires "live within their ecological means," which is code for use only as much as is fair in the opinion of some unelected socialist.
Degrowthers claim to be pro "democratic institutions," but actually use this as a code for socialism and unelected, life-long bureaucrats.
Less freedom, less prosperity, less unfairness, more "social and economic justice."
It is this that is Obama's real religion, and to be honest, it scares the hell out of me because if this stuff is not stopped and turned back, the country my four children will see in their lifetimes far more closely resembles the permanent, bland, unchangeable and unchanging poverty of the Soviet Union; the colorless, parsimonious, near-starvation-like, government-orchestrated condition of the people so well described and depicted in Orwell's 1984.
That's why Obama says no to the Keystone Pipeline and any other job-producing enterprise.
That's why Obama lets illegals of as an UnAmerican cultural background as possible flood in in droves, and locates them strategically in places chosen for calculated reasons.
That's why Obama lets other countries pull oil out of the Gulf of Mexico and tells our oil companies to butt out and not to do likewise.
That's why Obama bows to leaders of other nations, grovels and apologizes like a Beta dog baring its belly before an Alpha dog.
That's why Obama is realigning our international alliances with our enemies and our allies' enemies like the Palestinians, Hamas, and Iran rather than Israel, et al.
That's why a drunk member of the Obama administration once confessed that their purpose was , "managing America's decline."
That's why those who have said here and elsewhere that this man hates America and intends to see it destroyed are exactly right on the money; Obama is not just the Anti-Reagan, he is THE Anti-American.
If even your average, run-of-the-mill Democrat voters knew half the truth, much less other Americans, there would be a revolution. But these manipulators, these managers, these "governors" are nothing if not experts at keeping us all asleep until too late.
He's not delusional, nor otherwise mentally ill, although he may suffer from a nicotine addiction. The man wants to destroy this country. Simple as that.
And there is the issue that he doesn't even consider what he says, he just reads words from his prepared script.
Cincinnatus, you win the thread.
Look up the Neo-Marxist ideology of "Degrowthers," and you'll understand that Obama is not incompetent, but deliberately cutting this country down to second or third world status. He is not just a Marxist, but an international Marxist.
Degrowthers want to destroy borders and traditional culture and spread third world problems to first world countries.
Degrowthers want powers of redistribution and a police state through phony emergencies like climate change.
Degrowthers want to do away with concepts like national sovereignty in exchange for a collective international world government, of which the EU is a forerunner and a microcosm.
Degrowthers want to REDUCE the productivity and the amount of jobs in a nation because productivity is a product of the industrial revolution; and captitalism, freemarkets and individual economic independence depend on decent jobs.
Degrowthers want to cut off consumption of fossil fuels and make sure countires "live within their ecological means," which is code for use only as much as is fair in the opinion of some unelected socialist.
Degrowthers claim to be pro "democratic institutions," but actually use this as a code for socialism and unelected, life-long bureaucrats.
Less freedom, less prosperity, less unfairness, more "social and economic justice."
It is this that is Obama's real religion, and to be honest, it scares the hell out of me because if this stuff is not stopped and turned back, the country my four children will see in their lifetimes far more closely resembles the permanent, bland, unchangeable and unchanging poverty of the Soviet Union; the colorless, parsimonious, near-starvation-like, government-orchestrated condition of the people so well described and depicted in Orwell's 1984.
That's why Obama says no to the Keystone Pipeline and any other job-producing enterprise.
That's why Obama lets illegals of as an UnAmerican cultural background as possible flood in in droves, and locates them strategically in places chosen for calculated reasons.
That's why Obama lets other countries pull oil out of the Gulf of Mexico and tells our oil companies to butt out and not to do likewise.
That's why Obama bows to leaders of other nations, grovels and apologizes like a Beta dog baring its belly before an Alpha dog.
That's why Obama is realigning our international alliances with our enemies and our allies' enemies like the Palestinians, Hamas, and Iran rather than Israel, et al.
That's why a drunk member of the Obama administration once confessed that their purpose was , "managing America's decline."
That's why those who have said here and elsewhere that this man hates America and intends to see it destroyed are exactly right on the money; Obama is not just the Anti-Reagan, he is THE Anti-American.
If even your average, run-of-the-mill Democrat voters knew half the truth, much less other Americans, there would be a revolution. But these manipulators, these managers, these "governors" are nothing if not experts at keeping us all asleep until too late.
Spot on. Very well said sir!
Yea. I can get on board with that. Never heard of Degrowthers.
Moose-Knuckle
12-02-15, 03:49
Pathological lying sociopath. The world is his chessboard.
Terrorists attack Paris = Accept more refugees, elevate the global warming agenda
Lunatic attacks Colorado PD/civilians = Down with Christians & gun owners, up with Planned Parenthood
Give guns to the Mexican Cartels = Ban guns from American citizens
Give guns to IS/AQI = ban guns in the EU
His agenda knows no bounds. Master of the political pivot. I can see him pivoting to the UN after the presidency. Better yet, he will "work around" the UN. Perhaps he is The Mahdī. The 12th Imam.
This is on point, bravo sir!
Moose-Knuckle
12-02-15, 03:54
Look up the Neo-Marxist ideology of "Degrowthers," and you'll understand that Obama is not incompetent, but deliberately cutting this country down to second or third world status. He is not just a Marxist, but an international Marxist.
Degrowthers want to destroy borders and traditional culture and spread third world problems to first world countries.
Degrowthers want powers of redistribution and a police state through phony emergencies like climate change.
Degrowthers want to do away with concepts like national sovereignty in exchange for a collective international world government, of which the EU is a forerunner and a microcosm.
Degrowthers want to REDUCE the productivity and the amount of jobs in a nation because productivity is a product of the industrial revolution; and captitalism, freemarkets and individual economic independence depend on decent jobs.
Degrowthers want to cut off consumption of fossil fuels and make sure countires "live within their ecological means," which is code for use only as much as is fair in the opinion of some unelected socialist.
Degrowthers claim to be pro "democratic institutions," but actually use this as a code for socialism and unelected, life-long bureaucrats.
Less freedom, less prosperity, less unfairness, more "social and economic justice."
It is this that is Obama's real religion, and to be honest, it scares the hell out of me because if this stuff is not stopped and turned back, the country my four children will see in their lifetimes far more closely resembles the permanent, bland, unchangeable and unchanging poverty of the Soviet Union; the colorless, parsimonious, near-starvation-like, government-orchestrated condition of the people so well described and depicted in Orwell's 1984.
That's why Obama says no to the Keystone Pipeline and any other job-producing enterprise.
That's why Obama lets illegals of as an UnAmerican cultural background as possible flood in in droves, and locates them strategically in places chosen for calculated reasons.
That's why Obama lets other countries pull oil out of the Gulf of Mexico and tells our oil companies to butt out and not to do likewise.
That's why Obama bows to leaders of other nations, grovels and apologizes like a Beta dog baring its belly before an Alpha dog.
That's why Obama is realigning our international alliances with our enemies and our allies' enemies like the Palestinians, Hamas, and Iran rather than Israel, et al.
That's why a drunk member of the Obama administration once confessed that their purpose was , "managing America's decline."
That's why those who have said here and elsewhere that this man hates America and intends to see it destroyed are exactly right on the money; Obama is not just the Anti-Reagan, he is THE Anti-American.
If even your average, run-of-the-mill Democrat voters knew half the truth, much less other Americans, there would be a revolution. But these manipulators, these managers, these "governors" are nothing if not experts at keeping us all asleep until too late.
And this is center of the X-ring!
The vast majority of people have no ****ing clue as to what is going beside their own dull boring mundane lives. Fewer still raise their heads up long enough from grazing to baaing phrases like "tinfoil" and "conspiracy".
Hell, the powers at be don't even attempt to hide it.
Failure2Stop
12-02-15, 07:59
Apparently he operates under the delusion that if he repeats a fallacy often enough, it will somehow become true.
And it's working...
Failure2Stop
12-02-15, 08:03
Look up the Neo-Marxist ideology of "Degrowthers," and you'll understand that Obama is not incompetent, but deliberately cutting this country down to second or third world status. He is not just a Marxist, but an international Marxist.
Degrowthers want to destroy borders and traditional culture and spread third world problems to first world countries.
Degrowthers want powers of redistribution and a police state through phony emergencies like climate change.
Degrowthers want to do away with concepts like national sovereignty in exchange for a collective international world government, of which the EU is a forerunner and a microcosm.
Degrowthers want to REDUCE the productivity and the amount of jobs in a nation because productivity is a product of the industrial revolution; and captitalism, freemarkets and individual economic independence depend on decent jobs.
Degrowthers want to cut off consumption of fossil fuels and make sure countires "live within their ecological means," which is code for use only as much as is fair in the opinion of some unelected socialist.
Degrowthers claim to be pro "democratic institutions," but actually use this as a code for socialism and unelected, life-long bureaucrats.
Less freedom, less prosperity, less unfairness, more "social and economic justice."
It is this that is Obama's real religion, and to be honest, it scares the hell out of me because if this stuff is not stopped and turned back, the country my four children will see in their lifetimes far more closely resembles the permanent, bland, unchangeable and unchanging poverty of the Soviet Union; the colorless, parsimonious, near-starvation-like, government-orchestrated condition of the people so well described and depicted in Orwell's 1984.
That's why Obama says no to the Keystone Pipeline and any other job-producing enterprise.
That's why Obama lets illegals of as an UnAmerican cultural background as possible flood in in droves, and locates them strategically in places chosen for calculated reasons.
That's why Obama lets other countries pull oil out of the Gulf of Mexico and tells our oil companies to butt out and not to do likewise.
That's why Obama bows to leaders of other nations, grovels and apologizes like a Beta dog baring its belly before an Alpha dog.
That's why Obama is realigning our international alliances with our enemies and our allies' enemies like the Palestinians, Hamas, and Iran rather than Israel, et al.
That's why a drunk member of the Obama administration once confessed that their purpose was , "managing America's decline."
That's why those who have said here and elsewhere that this man hates America and intends to see it destroyed are exactly right on the money; Obama is not just the Anti-Reagan, he is THE Anti-American.
If even your average, run-of-the-mill Democrat voters knew half the truth, much less other Americans, there would be a revolution. But these manipulators, these managers, these "governors" are nothing if not experts at keeping us all asleep until too late.
Where's the like button?
Look up the Neo-Marxist ideology of "Degrowthers," and you'll understand that Obama is not incompetent, but deliberately cutting this country down to second or third world status. He is not just a Marxist, but an international Marxist.
Degrowthers want to destroy borders and traditional culture and spread third world problems to first world countries.
Degrowthers want powers of redistribution and a police state through phony emergencies like climate change.
Degrowthers want to do away with concepts like national sovereignty in exchange for a collective international world government, of which the EU is a forerunner and a microcosm.
Degrowthers want to REDUCE the productivity and the amount of jobs in a nation because productivity is a product of the industrial revolution; and captitalism, freemarkets and individual economic independence depend on decent jobs.
Degrowthers want to cut off consumption of fossil fuels and make sure countires "live within their ecological means," which is code for use only as much as is fair in the opinion of some unelected socialist.
Degrowthers claim to be pro "democratic institutions," but actually use this as a code for socialism and unelected, life-long bureaucrats.
Less freedom, less prosperity, less unfairness, more "social and economic justice."
It is this that is Obama's real religion, and to be honest, it scares the hell out of me because if this stuff is not stopped and turned back, the country my four children will see in their lifetimes far more closely resembles the permanent, bland, unchangeable and unchanging poverty of the Soviet Union; the colorless, parsimonious, near-starvation-like, government-orchestrated condition of the people so well described and depicted in Orwell's 1984.
That's why Obama says no to the Keystone Pipeline and any other job-producing enterprise.
That's why Obama lets illegals of as an UnAmerican cultural background as possible flood in in droves, and locates them strategically in places chosen for calculated reasons.
That's why Obama lets other countries pull oil out of the Gulf of Mexico and tells our oil companies to butt out and not to do likewise.
That's why Obama bows to leaders of other nations, grovels and apologizes like a Beta dog baring its belly before an Alpha dog.
That's why Obama is realigning our international alliances with our enemies and our allies' enemies like the Palestinians, Hamas, and Iran rather than Israel, et al.
That's why a drunk member of the Obama administration once confessed that their purpose was , "managing America's decline."
That's why those who have said here and elsewhere that this man hates America and intends to see it destroyed are exactly right on the money; Obama is not just the Anti-Reagan, he is THE Anti-American.
If even your average, run-of-the-mill Democrat voters knew half the truth, much less other Americans, there would be a revolution. But these manipulators, these managers, these "governors" are nothing if not experts at keeping us all asleep until too late.
And this is center of the X-ring!
The vast majority of people have no ****ing clue as to what is going beside their own dull boring mundane lives. Fewer still raise their heads up long enough from grazing to baaing phrases like "tinfoil" and "conspiracy".
Hell, the powers at be don't even attempt to hide it.
Shack! So true. Those of use who are wise to their game and speak up against it are saddled with additional labels like "extremeist."
Do you think you would have ever seen "Ike" Eisenhower so vain as to have used a "Selfie Stik"?
He's not so smart, most likely delusional. He is spoon fed his policy, it has little to do with what is best for our Republic
He has his head neck deep in the sand and his butt in the air on the beach and The beach is on Fire Island.
Guess what happens next?
Unfortunately the 47% elected this Mope as the "Leader of the Free World".
Unfortunately I wholeheartedly disagree.
I actually wish he was merely dumb or stupid.
I wish he simply had his head in the sand.
I wish he was just inexperienced.
I wish he was woefully incompetent.
He is none of the above.
He is intelligent.
He is cunning.
He is calculated.
He is Anti-American.
Don't be fooled into thinking he's just some idiot that is clueless about things or that he is just in over his head. He's not.
He knows EXACTLY what he's doing.
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Outlander Systems
12-02-15, 10:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM9I1AGtgU0
That's why Obama is realigning our international alliances with our enemies and our allies' enemies like the Palestinians, Hamas, and Iran rather than Israel, et al.
.
He truly is The Anti-American. As in the son of perdition/Anti-American. He's a ****ing disgusting, tin-pot dictator. Our fellow Americans handed his ass the keys to the palace...TWICE!
That's why those who have said here and elsewhere that this man hates America and intends to see it destroyed are exactly right on the money; Obama is not just the Anti-Reagan, he is THE Anti-American.
Serf's up, mother****ers.
If even your average, run-of-the-mill Democrat voters knew half the truth, much less other Americans, there would be a revolution. But these manipulators, these managers, these "governors" are nothing if not experts at keeping us all asleep until too late.
brickboy240
12-02-15, 10:11
Within the past year or so, there was a school shooting in Germany as well as a mass shooting in Finland.
Then we have the Charlie Hebdo shootings and the US servicemen that took an AK away from a Muslim terrorist on a French train.
Lets not forget that horrible shooting in Norway on that island a few years ago.
What about the mall terror attack in Kenya?
How about the various attacks/shootings in Israel by Palestinians in the last year or so?
I call nonsense on the idea that mass shootings only happen in America.
It is simply not true.
wilson1911
12-02-15, 11:09
How come there has not been a terrorist attack here yet ? It's been 10 years and we have our balls deep in the middle east affairs. Can you say it's about time for a crisis ?? It would be the epitome of his whole presidency. Just think what he could conjure up with that.
I agree with others in the aspect of him being very intelligent. He is achieving the agenda he has committed himself to. The difference between him and past presidents is the fact that our gov't does not even try to hide what they are doing anymore. Politicians have a flagrant disregard for the rule of law with no fear of repercussions.
sevenhelmet
12-02-15, 11:35
How come there has not been a terrorist attack here yet ?
It wouldn't fit with his "religion of peace" agenda to have a large-scale islamic terrorist attack here during his presidency.
brickboy240
12-02-15, 11:50
What do you call Nidal Hassan and the Boston Bombers?
Also, the main difference in Obama and other presidents is that up until Obama, we have never really had a president that truly despises the country he presides over. Clinton and Carter have their faults but it would be a stretch to say they disliked America in general. Obama has an obvious and very deep seated dislike for America and it's culture.
sevenhelmet
12-02-15, 11:56
What do you call Nidal Hassan and the Boston Bombers?
Apparently the term is "workplace violence". Agree on Obama's dislike for America, its culture, and its traditions. If there was one thing I could change, it would be for this self-hatred Americans seem to feel for their own culture to fall out of vogue. As in right now, yesterday.
It would certainly paint people like Obama in a more realistic light.
And everyone thought McCain was the "Manchurian Candidate."
brickboy240
12-02-15, 13:16
McCain certainly had his foibles but he does not hate the country as Obama surely does.
I am also pretty sure we never would have seen anything like Obama-care if he had won in 08.
McCain was pretty much the least smelly shirt in the hamper in 08....that was not enough to win, though.
I have to agree wholeheartedly with this.
Many compare him to Carter as worst president ever. This may be true.
However, he has gotten much of what he sets out to do. Obamacare anyone? The fact is, he's been very, very effective at what he wants to do. We simply see it as failure or bad policy.
If one considers the whole notion that his presidency oversaw the very worst "recovery" from recession (economically speaking) and uses the "prism" of "degrowther" as Cinninnatus pointed out, you'll see that it fits perfectly. The destruction of middle class... perfect. The widening of haves and have nots, perfect. Elite and the rest of us bums, perfect.
Unfortunately I wholeheartedly disagree.
I actually wish he was merely dumb or stupid.
I wish he simply had his head in the sand.
I wish he was just inexperienced.
I wish he was woefully incompetent.
He is none of the above.
He is intelligent.
He is cunning.
He is calculated.
He is Anti-American.
Don't be fooled into thinking he's just some idiot that is clueless about things or that he is just in over his head. He's not.
He knows EXACTLY what he's doing.
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McCain certainly had his foibles but he does not hate the country as Obama surely does.
I am also pretty sure we never would have seen anything like Obama-care if he had won in 08.
McCain was pretty much the least smelly shirt in the hamper in 08....that was not enough to win, though.
In '08 the country was determine to elect their novelty President. That way they could tell their grandkids "I helped elect the first black President." It was a lot like the boomers being able to claim they were at Woodstock, it made them feel they had actually done something when in reality they were an insignificant participant who was there but didn't actually do anything meaningful except be present.
It's a lot like watching the moon landing and then feeling like "I was there when man landed on the moon" simply because you had your television turned on.
Obama was then re elected due to the huge emotional investment of electing him in the first place. To not guarantee his re election would have been the admission that people were wrong about everything in '08 and that their "life changing" moment was actually a mistake with significant consequences. So everyone simply doubled down and this gave Obama the green light to do pretty much anything he could get past his few legal challengers.
He really did believe he could Executive Order an entire manifesto of personal issues, thankfully he was challenged on many of them.
Of course much of the fault lies with the Republicans who put hopeless incompetents up against the leftist "dream candidate." We look ready to repeat our mistakes and elect the first female President, people will vote for her for many of the same identical reasons, she will be re elected for the same reasons.
Once again, SteyrAUG mirrors my own perception.
Crow Hunter
12-02-15, 17:34
In '08 the country was determine to elect their novelty President. That way they could tell their grandkids "I helped elect the first black President." It was a lot like the boomers being able to claim they were at Woodstock, it made them feel they had actually done something when in reality they were an insignificant participant who was there but didn't actually do anything meaningful except be present.
It's a lot like watching the moon landing and then feeling like "I was there when man landed on the moon" simply because you had your television turned on.
Obama was then re elected due to the huge emotional investment of electing him in the first place. To not guarantee his re election would have been the admission that people were wrong about everything in '08 and that their "life changing" moment was actually a mistake with significant consequences. So everyone simply doubled down and this gave Obama the green light to do pretty much anything he could get past his few legal challengers.
He really did believe he could Executive Order an entire manifesto of personal issues, thankfully he was challenged on many of them.
Of course much of the fault lies with the Republicans who put hopeless incompetents up against the leftist "dream candidate." We look ready to repeat our mistakes and elect the first female President, people will vote for her for many of the same identical reasons, she will be re elected for the same reasons.
Wow. That was terribly insightful and depressing at the same time.
Is it wrong to think that poll taxes, land owner voting requirements and a higher voting age were not such bad ideas....
Wow. That was terribly insightful and depressing at the same time.
Is it wrong to think that poll taxes, land owner voting requirements and a higher voting age were not such bad ideas....
All those things would have simply made it worse. Boomers more than anyone elected Obama, so there goes your voting age consideration. Poll taxes, union workers can expect to have this covered as part of their benefit package, those who work for a living will cough it up out of their own pocket. Don't think for a nano second that those receiving government benefits won't get this as a benefit as well. It will just be another way the FSA has a leveraged advantage over you.
Land owner? If that was required to vote, we wouldn't be land owners. George Soros, Bloomberg and everyone else would have a monopoly on every shitty square inch of this country. The average person would have a better chance of buying himself an elected position in Congress than becoming a land owner, or a business owner as a consequence. There are no "new lands" to pioneer or homestead, everyone with a net worth of less than 10 million would be locked out of all political decisions.
We would be serfs to land barons again, and how long to you think the BoR would last? They wouldn't need to ban gun ownership, your landlord simply wouldn't approve it on "his" property. And that would be the end of your guns without even scratching the second amendment.
Every idea to make things better must be viewed with the "worst possible outcome" result because that is usually what you get. All the laws that actually make things better were resolved decades ago, there is little left to fix that will actually make anything better that won't result in a different terrible outcome.
We passed the Patriot Act with little thought of how the Democrats would use the tool and despite everything we gave up, so that the government could more aggressively prevent terrorism, it did NOTHING to prevent the Boston Bombing and the only real change is we now have to take our shoes off at the airport and we can no longer walk to the gate to meet our relatives who have arrived.
Can you even think of a law passed in the last 20 years that actually fixed a problem or made the country a better place for everyone?
Crow Hunter
12-03-15, 07:47
All those things would have simply made it worse. Boomers more than anyone elected Obama, so there goes your voting age consideration. Poll taxes, union workers can expect to have this covered as part of their benefit package, those who work for a living will cough it up out of their own pocket. Don't think for a nano second that those receiving government benefits won't get this as a benefit as well. It will just be another way the FSA has a leveraged advantage over you.
Land owner? If that was required to vote, we wouldn't be land owners. George Soros, Bloomberg and everyone else would have a monopoly on every shitty square inch of this country. The average person would have a better chance of buying himself an elected position in Congress than becoming a land owner, or a business owner as a consequence. There are no "new lands" to pioneer or homestead, everyone with a net worth of less than 10 million would be locked out of all political decisions.
We would be serfs to land barons again, and how long to you think the BoR would last? They wouldn't need to ban gun ownership, your landlord simply wouldn't approve it on "his" property. And that would be the end of your guns without even scratching the second amendment.
Every idea to make things better must be viewed with the "worst possible outcome" result because that is usually what you get. All the laws that actually make things better were resolved decades ago, there is little left to fix that will actually make anything better that won't result in a different terrible outcome.
We passed the Patriot Act with little thought of how the Democrats would use the tool and despite everything we gave up, so that the government could more aggressively prevent terrorism, it did NOTHING to prevent the Boston Bombing and the only real change is we now have to take our shoes off at the airport and we can no longer walk to the gate to meet our relatives who have arrived.
Can you even think of a law passed in the last 20 years that actually fixed a problem or made the country a better place for everyone?
You are probably right.
I do think that the voting age should be raised. All this stink about how 18 year olds are too dumb and naïve to be allowed to take out student loans and they are taken advantage of by banks should be carried through and they are too dumb and naïve to be allowed to vote either.
you can vote once you turn in a certain amount of taxes :)
sevenhelmet
12-03-15, 09:52
you can vote once you turn in a certain amount of taxes :)
Would result in the same problems Steyr brought up, unfortunately. There is always someone with a fatter wallet than you who will game the system, and you'll be left out in the cold. Republicans game things too, and a lot of us go with it, because we like what they'll give us.
I hate politics.
In '08 the country was determine to elect their novelty President. That way they could tell their grandkids "I helped elect the first black President." It was a lot like the boomers being able to claim they were at Woodstock, it made them feel they had actually done something when in reality they were an insignificant participant who was there but didn't actually do anything meaningful except be present.
It's a lot like watching the moon landing and then feeling like "I was there when man landed on the moon" simply because you had your television turned on.
Obama was then re elected due to the huge emotional investment of electing him in the first place. To not guarantee his re election would have been the admission that people were wrong about everything in '08 and that their "life changing" moment was actually a mistake with significant consequences. So everyone simply doubled down and this gave Obama the green light to do pretty much anything he could get past his few legal challengers.
He really did believe he could Executive Order an entire manifesto of personal issues, thankfully he was challenged on many of them.
Of course much of the fault lies with the Republicans who put hopeless incompetents up against the leftist "dream candidate." We look ready to repeat our mistakes and elect the first female President, people will vote for her for many of the same identical reasons, she will be re elected for the same reasons.
Lots of truth right here.
It wouldn't fit with his "religion of peace" agenda to have a large-scale islamic terrorist attack here during his presidency.
That doesn't matter to Hussein Obama, and fellow Muslim Brotherhood members, Progressives, Islamoapologists, etc.
Anything Muslims do will be brushed off as a few bad apples, not representative of "true Islam". They are serial abusers of the No True Scotsman fallacy. They will even resort to it when faced with Mohammed himself.
They also hav semantics and outright lies to resort to. "Workplace vioilence", blaming lack of jobs (as if the scum in ISIS is there because they don't have jobs), blaming climate change (because Islamic rape and murder are new).
Pathological lying sociopath. The world is his chessboard.
Terrorists attack Paris = Accept more refugees, elevate the global warming agenda
Lunatic attacks Colorado PD/civilians = Down with Christians & gun owners, up with Planned Parenthood
Give guns to the Mexican Cartels = Ban guns from American citizens
Give guns to IS/AQI = ban guns in the EU
His agenda knows no bounds. Master of the political pivot. I can see him pivoting to the UN after the presidency. Better yet, he will "work around" the UN. Perhaps he is The Mahdī. The 12th Imam.
Bang on. Very well said.
Look up the Neo-Marxist ideology of "Degrowthers," and you'll understand that Obama is not incompetent, but deliberately cutting this country down to second or third world status. He is not just a Marxist, but an international Marxist.
Degrowthers want to destroy borders and traditional culture and spread third world problems to first world countries.
Degrowthers want powers of redistribution and a police state through phony emergencies like climate change.
Degrowthers want to do away with concepts like national sovereignty in exchange for a collective international world government, of which the EU is a forerunner and a microcosm.
Degrowthers want to REDUCE the productivity and the amount of jobs in a nation because productivity is a product of the industrial revolution; and captitalism, freemarkets and individual economic independence depend on decent jobs.
Degrowthers want to cut off consumption of fossil fuels and make sure countires "live within their ecological means," which is code for use only as much as is fair in the opinion of some unelected socialist.
Degrowthers claim to be pro "democratic institutions," but actually use this as a code for socialism and unelected, life-long bureaucrats.
Less freedom, less prosperity, less unfairness, more "social and economic justice."
It is this that is Obama's real religion, and to be honest, it scares the hell out of me because if this stuff is not stopped and turned back, the country my four children will see in their lifetimes far more closely resembles the permanent, bland, unchangeable and unchanging poverty of the Soviet Union; the colorless, parsimonious, near-starvation-like, government-orchestrated condition of the people so well described and depicted in Orwell's 1984.
That's why Obama says no to the Keystone Pipeline and any other job-producing enterprise.
That's why Obama lets illegals of as an UnAmerican cultural background as possible flood in in droves, and locates them strategically in places chosen for calculated reasons.
That's why Obama lets other countries pull oil out of the Gulf of Mexico and tells our oil companies to butt out and not to do likewise.
That's why Obama bows to leaders of other nations, grovels and apologizes like a Beta dog baring its belly before an Alpha dog.
That's why Obama is realigning our international alliances with our enemies and our allies' enemies like the Palestinians, Hamas, and Iran rather than Israel, et al.
That's why a drunk member of the Obama administration once confessed that their purpose was , "managing America's decline."
That's why those who have said here and elsewhere that this man hates America and intends to see it destroyed are exactly right on the money; Obama is not just the Anti-Reagan, he is THE Anti-American.
If even your average, run-of-the-mill Democrat voters knew half the truth, much less other Americans, there would be a revolution. But these manipulators, these managers, these "governors" are nothing if not experts at keeping us all asleep until too late.
Ditto here. The fact that Hussein is still President, let alone not sitting in a cell, is a testament to the power of media, the power of racial/identity politics, and the ignorance of a large portion of the electorate.
Anyone still doubting that this guy is an outright socialist anti-American saboteur has ZERO clue of what's going on.
You are probably right.
I do think that the voting age should be raised. All this stink about how 18 year olds are too dumb and naïve to be allowed to take out student loans and they are taken advantage of by banks should be carried through and they are too dumb and naïve to be allowed to vote either.
I would be unwilling to tell those 18 year olds currently serving in the military that they are not old enough to vote.
"Vote control" doesn't work any better than "gun control" and for many of the same reasons. We've even seen people vote from beyond the grave and "straw votes" which are not the vote of the individual voting, but the vote of the actual purchaser.
So the solution has to be safeguards in the government itself, limitations on what it can and cannot do. There has to be things that simply cannot be given away in exchange for votes.
Of course when the SCOTUS ruled that Eminent Domain can be used for "private use" (in direct conflict with the very specific language of the fifth amendment) if it can be determined that such usage will benefit the community as a whole the safety net of the US Constitution was basically tossed out the window. Keep in mind this happened under a Republican President.
So when we can't even trust the Supreme Court of this land, to vote in accordance to the specific intention of the Constitution, trying to get ordinary voters to vote in the best interests of the country is probably a futile gesture.
agree hate politics but to vote ? as it is now anyone can and the system can be cheated ?
we could hope it would just mean you have to be making some money before you can vote ?
Would result in the same problems Steyr brought up, unfortunately. There is always someone with a fatter wallet than you who will game the system, and you'll be left out in the cold. Republicans game things too, and a lot of us go with it, because we like what they'll give us.
I hate politics.
titsonritz
12-04-15, 02:42
Here is what John R. Lott has to say on the subject:
The facts shoot holes in Obama's claim that US is only host to mass killings (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/12/03/facts-shoot-holes-in-obamas-claim-that-us-is-only-host-to-mass-killings.html?intcmp=hpbt3)
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