View Full Version : An Unholy amount of Muzzle (and handguard and ejection port) flash
This is someone else's vid of the Daniel Defense Muzzle Climb Mitigator on a 10.3 barrel of some sort.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2rwV1U6cHo
I have never seen anything like this before. The flash seems to engulf the handguard.
Some screenshots:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8Aa2sYnUgls/VlVFRSRCzLI/AAAAAAAAZiQ/AEB4-hPW0uc/s1600/Screenshot_2015-11-24-06-41-40.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DPuTt-Mz0YI/VlVFSizuCjI/AAAAAAAAZik/QNyXTzHbu30/s1600/Screenshot_2015-11-24-06-42-43.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-33aBzBw9KiI/VlVFS76HryI/AAAAAAAAZio/VFhSx8i1coI/s1600/Screenshot_2015-11-24-06-44-04.jpg
Anyone out there experience anything similar?? I don't own anything 5.56 shorter than 12.5", nor do I use this DD muzzle device, but just putting this up there.
Looks like the ports are angled back a bit, channeling flame backwards down the handguard.
titsonritz
12-06-15, 21:18
I imagine hanging on to that rail is a blast.
glock21xxx
12-06-15, 21:27
I imagine hanging on to that rail is a blast.
:cool:
Wow... That just seems completely insane.
Even an A2 throws flames on a 10.3/5" barrel, but an open port brake is insane! The flash from the ejection port is pretty intense as well.
probably a trifecta going on here. 10.3 inch barrel + brake + crap ammo = unholy flash. For example, I used to purchase pmc xtac (62 g. green tip) as plinking ammo. It was fine enough for plinking, but I don't purchase it anymore because I got a batch of that stuff that produced what can only be described as neon green dragon's breath in broad daylight...from a non-sbr barrel, no less.
Regarding the above video, that is some nasty flash, particularly with it blasting out of the ejection port. I cant imagine the tooth shattering blast that setup must produce.
snowdog650
12-06-15, 23:16
At least the enemy will be scared off if you don't hit them.
Enemies hate flamethrowers.
At least the enemy will be scared off if you don't hit them.
Enemies hate flamethrowers.
Or incinerated.
"I imagine hanging on to that rail is a blast"
I bet hanging on to your hat is even harder.
lawusmc0844
12-07-15, 21:54
I posted a thread with some pics a few months back showing my Battlecomp equipped 16" midlength shooting fireballs too. https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?173082-Very-Interesting-Muzzle-Flash-From-My-Battlecomp If mine were a SBR I think my rail will be engulfed too lol.
I have never seen anything like this before. The flash seems to engulf the handguard.
Some screenshots:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-33aBzBw9KiI/VlVFS76HryI/AAAAAAAAZio/VFhSx8i1coI/s1600/Screenshot_2015-11-24-06-44-04.jpg
Anyone out there experience anything similar?? I don't own anything 5.56 shorter than 12.5", nor do I use this DD muzzle device, but just putting this up there.
My 10" AK pistol doesn't make that big a fireball. Holy crap.
Typical for a short barrel, comp, and commercial ammo made with propellant without flash retardant.
You want less flash you have to add potassium. Less flash, more smoke. No free lunch.
Don't know what caused the flash inside the hand guard -- perhaps a piston system with bleed-off, or gases escaping from the X-slots machined around the gas tube hole in the upper.
HelloLarry
12-08-15, 09:02
I wouldn't run anything under 14" without a silencer.
RetroRevolver77
12-08-15, 09:04
I guess I never saw anything wrong with carbine length handguards and a standard bird cage. The whole "rails forever" is little lost on me.
my 10.5 with an AAC 51t Brake(2 chamber) will throw 2-3 feet of flames out of the ports. Ive never had one come back at me though and I have had a few buddies watch closely where the fireball went. Im comfortable shooting mine without gloves and without the can, but this thing I would want gloves on.
I guess I never saw anything wrong with carbine length handguards and a standard bird cage. The whole "rails forever" is little lost on me.
It's not that there's anything "wrong" with standard handguards, it's just that longer rails add functionality for a lot of people in the form of muzzle control, laser/light placement, bipods, etc. It depends on the type of shooting you do. Same thing with muzzle devices. A2s are extremely functional, but some people want a little edge. We're a race of tweakers and tinkerers. It's human nature. The good thing is that it leads to innovation and new discoveries that benefit everyone.
I have a Gen 1 DD brake, it's similar in port configuration to the Gen 2. It's quite flashy with just about any ammo. It's used by my son mostly for 3gun and hunting (running jacks) so it's not much of an issue. If I was using that gun for more serious things I would remove it and go with something that mitigated flash more.
Color me uneducated, but the flame shooting out the ejection port is making me think he never wants to shoot that weak side or he's gonna have some singed eyebrows.
I imagine hanging on to that rail is a blast.
He can't hold it anywhere else other than the mag well. At least not without fire retardent gloves.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/08/927845400290aa6796e1e15b22d1546f.jpg
What ammo or loading is used? I could expect some major flash from some in a combo like this.
RetroRevolver77
12-09-15, 10:51
He can't hold it anywhere else other than the mag well. At least not without fire retardent gloves.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/08/927845400290aa6796e1e15b22d1546f.jpg
That's my point, that isn't even a handguard and that flash maximizer seems to be a complete failure. There is nothing to protect his hands at all. He would have burned himself pretty bad.
All my AR's have boring Knight's rails on them except one has a DD RIS II on it. They work just fine.
ClearedHot
12-09-15, 11:33
The overgassed DD MK18 barrel might have something to do with it as well...
Does anyone have experience with the ALG single chamber brake? This looks to be similar in function.
Coal Dragger
12-09-15, 18:58
My DDM4 V11 PRO uses the same compensator as the SBR in the video. I can confirm that is is blasty even on an 18" rifle length gas barrel. Probably going to swap it out for a hybrid muzzle device since it doesn't do much for recoil reduction, and doesn't control muzzle rise significantly better than a Surefire Warcomp as far as I can tell. The Warcomp makes a hell of a lot less racket though, and I don't get blasted with every bit of loose debris within 12" of the muzzle...unlike the muzzle climb mitigator 2 on the V11 PRO. The Warcomp also seems to do well controlling flash.
Honestly the DD muzzle climb mitigator is a budget priced OEM compact sized compensator, and performs about as expected. It's not a great comp compared to the larger multi chamber devices, which are just as blasty but at least they really do control recoil and muzzle climb. Then again it doesn't cost $100+ like really high performance comps do either.
.46caliber
12-09-15, 19:14
Does anyone have experience with the ALG single chamber brake? This looks to be similar in function.
My dad has one on a 16". We have never seen flash any where close to that. The concussion is gnarly standing next to it. He mainly shots reloads with Win748 powder.
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