View Full Version : Local Gun Store just posted pictures of a new Ruger American Pistol they got in stock
Haven't seen any other pictures of it online, so I figured I'd post them on here.
https://i.imgur.com/NmpLVOp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bkddvdz.jpg
black22rifle
12-28-15, 21:39
Where are all the safeties?
When's the recall?
Looks like Ruger finally got in the game with interchangeable back straps. I'm not a big Ruger fan other than their .22lrs.
Fudds will buy the hell out of it because it's a Ruger, it'll probably be fairly cheap too. My feeling is meh, there are a lot of
other options out there.
Drifting Fate
12-28-15, 21:47
Always interesting to see what is coming up.
Thanks for posting.
I pretty much agree. Fairly surprised by the lack of safeties and warnings about the absence of safeties all over the slide. Supposedly it is supposed to have a pretty great trigger pull and reset.
It's not exactly something I'll be really interested in as I feel like it won't really fill any niche that I don't already have filled. I just can't believe there are no pictures or information about these anywhere online.
Interesting. I wonder if they are trying to get those sweet police contracts. Looking to read more about it.
Interesting if not no other reason than it is new.
Anyone else looking at that thing and seeing shades of Steyr pistols?
I bet they are submitting it for the FBI RFP.
Holy crap that thing is hideous. But at least I don't see a bunch of lawyer BS on it so if it runs I can live with it being uglier than Betty White's genitals. Can't wait to see more on this and what else Ruger has in store.
Looks like a m&p had sex with a sig and this was the result.
snowdog650
12-28-15, 22:24
Where are all the safeties?
When's the recall?
Lmfao
Looks like a m&p had sex with a sig and this was the result.
Yeah, I can definitely see the SP2022 in it because of the back straps. Maybe something like a SW99 + SP2022.
I think it's pretty neat looking. It definitely looks futuristic. Almost like a Glock angled grip. Any details on the name or how much? Where did your gun store post this? Can you give a link?
Here's what I know:
It's the Ruger American Pistol. It is available in 9mm and .45 acp. The 9mm is 17+1, the .45 acp is 10+1. The model number for the 9mm is 8605. Searching Google for Ruger 8605 will get you a few retailers listing it.
Omnifox, a user on Reddit posted the following:
What we know:
9s and .45s only so far.
PISTOL KIT SOLVED: 3 - 9s and a .45.
No Safety.
Hitting stores BEFORE announcement.
Priced slightly higher than the 9E.
Confirmed:
LANYARD HOLE! FOR YOUR LANYARD NEEDS.
Pretensioned Striker.
Ambi Controls.
Your ruger brand safety brand rugerness- NO TRIGER PULL REQ FOR TAKE DOWN. This is why they are making it!!!1one.
4.2" Barrel (9mm)/4.5" Barrel(.45).
Short Takeup with positive Reset.
45 has a 10rd capacity with the SAME WIDTH as the 9mm. 1.4"
Multiple backstraps. (S/M/L) and (M/L) 9 and 45.
More 9mms will hit the market than .45s at the start.
Touted Features:
Shorter takeup. (Shorter than a glock brand glock)
Military in mind. (Maybe trying for that future contract?)
"Low Bore Axis"/"Low Mass Slide" (Relative is sure to be king here.)
Omnifox Brand Speculation:
Why is the width the same in 9mm and .45? Because of the interchangeable grips! S/M/L for 9mm and M/L for .45. So the measurement is likely taken from the SAME grip panel. Providing identical dimensions.
If all of this is true and the width of the 9mm is 1.4", that's ridiculous and honestly a complete deal breaker. I really hope this wouldn't be the case. That would be .13" larger than a Glock 21. The user said he got the info from the spec sheet.
I took a screen shot of the Facebook post. I want to note that I have absolutely no affiliation with this seller. I don't even know where Springtown, TX is (I'm in Dallas). But since it was requested, I figured I'd oblige. The price he's asking seems insane compared to those found online when searching Ruger 8605. If these are
http://i.imgur.com/YJLpa67.png
the trigger guard looks a LOT like an M&P. Hm.
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-29-15, 00:10
VERY interesting. It looks like there will be very good laser grip possibilities here.
teutonicpolymer
12-29-15, 01:54
I'm very interested in seeing what pricing these will end up at
Illini_Glock
12-29-15, 04:23
I don't find it as hideous as others do, and certainly wouldn't compare it to Betty White's privates! It kind of seems that Ruger has 'borrowed' from other manufacturer's to get an overall franken-design pistol. I look forward to seeing it in person and maybe put a few rounds through it.
SoloDallas
12-29-15, 05:54
Interesting if not no other reason than it is new.
Anyone else looking at that thing and seeing shades of Steyr pistols?
I do. I see some Steyr design in it, a lot of H&K and some S&W (M&P).
Frankly, I love the aesthetics of this Ruger. First Ruger I like.
For me, the first reaction to a firearm is always aesthetic. I have to like it because of how it looks, before I even look at the functional features.
I am just a civilian (was in the Military eons ago) collector, after all.
I do dig this pistol lots. Naturally, it won't ever be for sale in California, so I will forget about it quickly. Still.
sidewaysil80
12-29-15, 06:05
There are only a few ways to skin a cat so to speak and with that I don't expect any "innovation" in the striker fired pistol department. My only concern is reliability and function and it will be hard to compete with some of the more competitors who literally created the market. Even more so if the offering is coming from a company who has a spotty track record in terms of QC.
Hmm, I was thinking it may turn into a viable budget option, but based on the price shown above, $675, REALLY?
Interested to see what the price becomes once the initial "new pistol on the market" pricing is gone. Eros look good, looking forward to range reports. It does seem like ruger has been putting some decent stuff out, not top of the line, but decent, so I'm curious how this will shake out.
platoonDaddy
12-29-15, 08:10
I bet they are submitting it for the FBI RFP.
it has backstraps, therefore a no-go for the RFP
First pistol I ever owned was a Ruger SR9. Horrible trigger, uncomfortable bulky grip, and shot for shit (although I may have had something to do with that at the time :o) Long story short, outside of their 22lr pistols I'm not a fan. But, maybe this one will be a solid shooter. Only time will tell.
it has backstraps, therefore a no-go for the RFP
I'll have to go back and look. I thought the only restriction was grip panels cannot be held in place with a pin (the way Glocks are).
Averageman
12-29-15, 09:10
There are only a few ways to skin a cat so to speak and with that I don't expect any "innovation" in the striker fired pistol department. My only concern is reliability and function and it will be hard to compete with some of the more competitors who literally created the market. Even more so if the offering is coming from a company who has a spotty track record in terms of QC.
And wants a bit more money out of the box for a gun with no track record of reliability.
At least if you have to send it back, you will have the honor of knowing you paid more for it than something that was functional and had aftermarket accessories readily available to improve it to your exact needs and desires.
I like innovation,but this aint it.
Another polymer framed striker action handgun.
Imitation or innovation?
dwhitehorne
12-29-15, 14:09
It says replacement frames or grip inserts from what I read.
I don't know why they would use a rear sight that hinders one handed slide manipulation though. It will be interesting to see what this pistol has to offer. David
I'll have to go back and look. I thought the only restriction was grip panels cannot be held in place with a pin (the way Glocks are).
This is a paste from the FBI RFP: "Frames which allow for different hand sizes are required. Regardless of how each Contractor accommodates different hand sizes they must be able to support at least 3 sizes commonly referred to as small, medium and large."
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Ruger has just announced a new handgun called the Ruger American Pistol. I was fortunate enough to receive an early production sample in 9mm Luger and have been shooting the gun for a couple weeks.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151215_141045_zpskcsmycnu.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151215_141045_zpskcsmycnu.jpg.html)
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The gun is somewhat similar in appearance to Ruger's line of SR22 rimfire pistols and is quite a departure from the earlier line of striker-fired handguns like the SR9 and SR40. I had initially thought the gun would be some sort of "gen two" version of the early striker guns but it really is a new design. About the only thing that seems to have been carried over is the design of the ambi magazine release. By the way, magazines for the SR9 won't fit the American.
This new gun is available in 9mm and 45ACP. The 40S&W should follow shortly. The new gun is a full-sized duty auto with a magazine capacity of 17 rounds in 9 and 10 rounds in 45. As I understand it, Ruger first started working on this design as a 45ACP as a possible military handgun. Even though the M9 replacement project has been suspended or shelved for the time being, Ruger pressed on and developed the pistol for civilian and LE sales.
As a side note here; I don't have an American in 45 but I have seen and shot one. The 45 variant is really only slightly larger than the 9mm and my guess is Ruger is using as many parts are possible between the two calibers. This should make the 45 American one of the smaller double stack big bores on the market.
Since the American is most likely going to be marketed as a direct competitor to the Glock and M&P, I thought I would review the gun in that context. I'll do so by breaking the guns down into various categories. *I should note here that I don't currently have a Glock 17 for comparison. And the G19 used for weight measurements has 45° bevels and front cocking serrations added to the slide which no doubt change weight slightly.
Weight
Ruger 1.74 pounds without magazine
M&P 1.56 pounds without magazine
G19 1.26 pounds without magazine
Ruger slide assembly 1.08 pounds
M&P slide assembly 1.10 pounds
G19 slide assembly .98 pounds
Ruger frame assembly .64 pounds
M&P frame assembly .44 pounds
G19 frame assembly .28 pounds
Ruger empty magazine .18 pounds
M&P empty magazine .18 pounds
G19 empty magazine .14 pounds
Ergonomics
Grip angle between the M&P and American is more or less identical and presenting both pistols with my eyes closed results in a natural point of aim. The Glock for me as with many "1911 people" presents slightly high due to its non-1911 grip angle. It is all a matter of what a person is used to but the Smith and the Ruger point more naturally for me.
Controls on all three guns are located in more or less the same locations but the American's controls are truly ambidextrous. Unlike the M&P there's no need to reverse the magazine release for a lefty. Also, unlike the Gen4 Glock the magazine release is small enough and high enough that I don't accidentally bump it with my middle finger while shooting. I don't have this issue with Gens 1-3 Glocks but I don't like the Gen4 stuff as a result.
Magazine wells on all the pistols are similar in size but the American has an extended tang at the rear that really helps with magazine insertion. The M&P has a similar extension that's also the backstrap retention pin. Both guns for me are easier to speed reload than the Glock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hxn-4RFETc
Grip panels are another thing the S&W and Ruger have in common. Both guns come with a small, medium and a large grip insert that not only increase grip length but width. The G4 Glock also uses grip inserts but these don't increase width.
For hand fitment, I chose to run my American with the medium panel even though it feels a little too small for me. The large fits my hand a bit better but is too aggressively arched for my liking. Hopefully Ruger will introduce something a bit flatter later on down the road.
Ruger, like the M&P, is devoid of finger grooves.
Along the same lines is grip texture. All three guns have some texturing built in but all are fairly smooth out of the box. Really the only factory texturing that really seems useful across multiple scenarios is the Glock RTF series. The Ruger is nicely textured on the front and back but devoid of much texture on the sides. This was probably done to keep the gun from tearing up jackets and uniform shirts but it doesn't provide much traction for the support hand. On this note, I wonder about Ruger's plastic frame. It feels more rigid and less flexible than the other guns and I wonder how well the frame material will respond to a wood burner and sandpaper.
Up top the American slide has rear cocking serrations that are cross hatched and provide for a good purchase when loading and unloading. Spring weights are such that no excessive effort is needed to work the slide.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151227_140915_zpsgxi6g35x.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151227_140915_zpsgxi6g35x.jpg.html)
Trigger
The American has a steel trigger with a Glock-type trigger safety in the center. Unlike the Glock, the American uses a pre-loaded striker so it operates in more of a "single action" mode. The resulting trigger pull is fairly short and actually fairly crisp with little overtravel.
When I first unboxed the gun, I was surprised at how slow, mushy and indistinct the trigger reset was. But now that I have 300 or so rounds fired and probably 3x as many dryfire trigger presses, the reset is more positive. It still feels a little light and reminds me of the earlier M&P pistols.
Sharp edges and/or frame shape and thickness
This is another area where, for me, the American and Smith both shine over the Glock. I have fairly large hands and get a very high and aggressive grip on a handgun. The Glock will cut the base of my shooting thumb if I'm not careful.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151227_120337_zpscagzfbem.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151227_120337_zpscagzfbem.jpg.html)
Neither the Smith nor the Ruger will bite me. All three pistols are relatively smooth and free of bite points otherwise and are easy to manipulate without torn hands or ripped fingernails. On the down side, the Ruger has no prominent squared edges and a true Novak rear sight so working one-handed malfunctions is going to be difficult. I imagine we'll see a notched rear sight like is on the M&P sometime in the future. *
The American's trigger and trigger guard are more close in size and shape to the Glock. Shooters wearing gloves or with fat fingers will probably feel some rubbing on the inside of the trigger guard on these two pistols. The M&P is superior to both in this regard. *
Ease of maintenance
Both the M&P and the Ruger require the slide to be retracted before the takedown lever can be moved. This is a big plus over the Glock. The American goes one step further in that the trigger is deactivated by the takedown lever and the slide comes off without any trigger manipulation and/or the use of the backstrap pin.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151227_141239_zpsykjreb3t.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151227_141239_zpsykjreb3t.jpg.html)
Ruger says the new American's metal parts are made of nitrided or nickel teflon coated stainless steel. The gun should be fairly easy to maintain in harsh conditions. The gun comes apart easily, as mentioned, and the striker comes out in a manner similar to the Glock and M&P. The firing pin block is located in the sear/firing assembly so the slide has nothing else to remove other than dovetailed sights and the pinned external extractor. The slide does have a few more internal cuts and grooves that are harder to get into with just a cleaning patch or toothbrush compared to the other two. *
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151227_141749_zpss0yxefcc.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151227_141749_zpss0yxefcc.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151227_141638_zpsxoypeqke.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151227_141638_zpsxoypeqke.jpg.html)
The serial number is located on the back of the frame and the entire firing mechanism is housed in a skeletal chassis that can be removed from the frame. This isn't mentioned in the owner's manual but it isn't too hard to figure out. Once the chassis is out, care must be taken not to accidentally lose the trigger return spring or the two level bars that run along each side of the chassis. In this regard, the American apparently is more mechanically complex than the Glock or M&P.
An interesting side benefit, and one that should appeal to many future owners, is the serialized part of the frame can be easily removed. I imagine this means Ruger will eventually sell plastic frame assembly parts in green, tan, etc. Also, departments or agencies issuing the American could replace a damaged frame by simply installing a new plastic housing. This should be a huge advantage over either the other two guns. SIG and Ruger are both on to something here and I imagine more polymer makers will follow this pattern in the future.
Accuracy
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151225_193323_zps1pxpl4vh.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151225_193323_zps1pxpl4vh.jpg.html)
Accuracy seems good and I had little difficulty keeping rounds in the head of a USPSA target from 15 yards. Similarly I had no problem consistently hitting a steel silhouette target at 50 yards and even 100 yards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjBPd99D2gg
The American, like many light pistols with a relatively heavy trigger, may have a tendency to shoot left for a right-handed shooter. Sinking the trigger finger in a little deeper may help alleviate this.
Ruger seems to have identified the proper barrel twist and barrel-to-slide fit to provide good accuracy out of the box.
Durability/Reliability
It won't be until the gun has been out a year and has been used by a few departments and competition shooters that we can make any sort of determination on durability or reliability. Still, the gun is fairly stout and is noticeably heavier than the other two guns. It is built for hot +P ammo and should be able to take a steady diet of the latest defense ammo without drastically reduced service life. That should mean the 40S&W variant will be tough as nails too.
Overall, I think I prefer the M&P but that's not to say Ruger hasn't done an excellent job with the American and I'll admit the gun has grown on me. I think my preference at this point is honestly based more on familiarity rather than any salient features or design characteristics. Both guns feel a bit more natural and comfortable to me than the Glock series and I don't have the issues with cuts on my thumb or accidental mag release with either.
So there you have it. My quick and dirty review. If anyone has any specific questions let me know. Thanks.
I read somewhere that the 9mm grip is the same width as the .45, can you confirm this?
WickedWillis
12-29-15, 17:35
It resembles the TP9 to me for some reason. Good on Ruger. They needed to bring something else to the market this year. I hope it does well for them. Thanks for being M4C's resident Ruger guy.
I read somewhere that the 9mm grip is the same width as the .45, can you confirm this?
The 45 and 9 are very close in grip width but not length. Biggest most noticeable difference is the length to accommodate the respective cartridge.
Thanks for the review. I would like to see a few of our local USPSA shooters get their hands on one and run it through it's paces. Two shooters I know average 500 rounds per week during their shooting season (8 months out of the year) and could gather good data in a short period of time.
It would be good to know expected service life as well. I am familiar with how long our S&W Gen 3 pistols and Glock service pistols would run, but haven't seen long term use of a Ruger.
It's good to see Ruger is going to compete in the service pistol market.
Howdy,
Another polymer framed striker action handgun.
Imitation or innovation?
Yep. Just another gun company stealing Glock's design.
Paul
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-29-15, 18:00
Yep. Just another gun company stealing Glock's design.
Who ripped off a lot of older designs and so on.
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-29-15, 18:04
Looks like the love child of the M&P and the Vp9. I will definitely give one a try.
Howdy,
Yep. Just another gun company stealing Glock's design.
Paul
So each DA gun is?
I dig the look and hopefully it won't be a failure. Nothing wrong with options. Despite my first Handgun being a P95 the only Ruger I'd consider buying today is one of their 357 revolvers. Hopefully they get their head out of their ass and make a semi auto that's not complete shit
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So each DA gun is?
I dig the look and hopefully it won't be a failure. Nothing wrong with options. Despite my first Handgun being a P95 the only Ruger I'd consider buying today is one of their 357 revolvers. Hopefully they get their head out of their ass and make a semi auto that's not complete shit
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Don't forget about their .22's. I love my 22/45 LITE- that's the only Ruger I currently own, but I have owned many others before. They all didn't make the cut for one reason or another.
FlyingHunter
12-29-15, 18:58
Good on Ruger. While they were largely a FUDD firearms provider for years, they have shown initiative to bring modern arms to market in recent years. AR's in 5.56 and 7.62, Scout rifle, a new precision bolt gun, threaded barrels. They are innovating, competing, and I wish them success.
Talk about putting your money where your mouth is:
June 01, 2015
Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. (NYSE: RGR) has pledged to donate $2 to the NRA for each new Ruger firearm sold between the 2015 and 2016 NRA Annual Meetings, with the goal of giving $4,000,000. Ruger's donation will benefit the NRA Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA).
While I'm comfortable with the G19, these new pistols may put pressure on manufacturers like Glock to avoid resting on their laurels and develop customer centered product improvements.
Looks like the love child of the M&P and the Vp9. I will definitely give one a try.
Yeah it kind of does. More Teutonic in appearance to me than something "American."
SeriousStudent
12-29-15, 19:29
We already have an existing thread in this sub-forum, created yesterday. Let's keep all the data in one spot.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?178257-Local-Gun-Store-just-posted-pictures-of-a-new-Ruger-American-Pistol-they-got-in-stock
Thanks.
I dont see how they can really mess up a stryker fired pistol. When they have so many examples in the world of what actually works. But then again lots of companies struggle with the simplest of designs.
I've posted a few pics and videos of the gun I've been running for a couple weeks.
Interesting that this gun store "leaked" the info. Ruger was very adamant about not posting any info, pics, etc until we all were given official word. The embargo was lifted today at 6pm Eastern.
Here's retired Border Patrol Agent Ed Head's take:
http://www.downrange.tv/blog/ruger-american-pistols/36322/
Here's retired Border Patrol Agent Ed Head's take:
http://www.downrange.tv/blog/ruger-american-pistols/36322/
Did the Ruger rep just pronounce chassis as chass-iss?? Lmao!
MSRP $579; street price around $500 according to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duih7Scp_Ho
I am really pleased that Ruger partnered with Safariland, Blade-Tech, Simply Rugged and probably several other companies so holsters are available now. No waiting months for something suitable and/or carrying a brand new gun around in an Uncle Mike's #5 to make due.
Interesting. This is the probability the first Ruger handgun that I am interested in. Time will tell how well it does.
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I didn't realize there was an existing thread regarding this gun so I started a new one earlier. Anyway, here's my little take on the American:
Ruger has just announced a new handgun called the Ruger American Pistol. I was fortunate enough to receive an early production sample in 9mm Luger and have been shooting the gun for a couple weeks.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151215_141045_zpskcsmycnu.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151215_141045_zpskcsmycnu.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151227_141041_zpshiem0v1u.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151227_141041_zpshiem0v1u.jpg.html)
The gun is somewhat similar in appearance to Ruger's line of SR22 rimfire pistols and is quite a departure from the earlier line of striker-fired handguns like the SR9 and SR40. I had initially thought the gun would be some sort of "gen two" version of the early striker guns but it really is a new design. About the only thing that seems to have been carried over is the design of the ambi magazine release. By the way, magazines for the SR9 won't fit the American.
This new gun is available in 9mm and 45ACP. The 40S&W should follow shortly. The new gun is a full-sized duty auto with a magazine capacity of 17 rounds in 9 and 10 rounds in 45. As I understand it, Ruger first started working on this design as a 45ACP as a possible military handgun. Even though the M9 replacement project has been suspended or shelved for the time being, Ruger pressed on and developed the pistol for civilian and LE sales.
As a side note here; I don't have an American in 45 but I have seen and shot one. The 45 variant is really only slightly larger than the 9mm and my guess is Ruger is using as many parts are possible between the two calibers. This should make the 45 American one of the smaller double stack big bores on the market.
Since the American is most likely going to be marketed as a direct competitor to the Glock and M&P, I thought I would review the gun in that context. I'll do so by breaking the guns down into various categories. I should note here that I don't currently have a Glock 17 for comparison. And the G19 used for weight measurements has 45° bevels and front cocking serrations added to the slide which no doubt change weight slightly.
WEIGHT
Ruger 1.74 pounds without magazine
M&P 1.56 pounds without magazine
G19 1.26 pounds without magazine
Ruger slide assembly 1.08 pounds
M&P slide assembly 1.10 pounds
G19 slide assembly .98 pounds
Ruger frame assembly .64 pounds
M&P frame assembly .44 pounds
G19 frame assembly .28 pounds
Ruger empty magazine .18 pounds
M&P empty magazine .18 pounds
G19 empty magazine .14 pounds
ERGONOMICS
Grip angle between the M&P and American is more or less identical and presenting both pistols with my eyes closed results in a natural point of aim. The Glock for me as with many "1911 people" presents slightly high due to its non-1911 grip angle. It is all a matter of what a person is used to but the Smith and the Ruger point more naturally for me.
Controls on all three guns are located in more or less the same locations but the American's controls are truly ambidextrous. Unlike the M&P there's no need to reverse the magazine release for a lefty. Also, unlike the Gen4 Glock the magazine release is small enough and high enough that I don't accidentally bump it with my middle finger while shooting. I don't have this issue with Gens 1-3 Glocks but I don't like the Gen4 stuff as a result.
Magazine wells on all the pistols are similar in size but the American has an extended tang at the rear that really helps with magazine insertion. The M&P has a similar extension that's also the backstrap retention pin. Both guns for me are easier to speed reload than the Glock.
Grip panels are another thing the S&W and Ruger have in common. Both guns come with a small, medium and a large grip insert that not only increase grip length but width. The G4 Glock also uses grip inserts but these don't increase width.
For hand fitment, I chose to run my American with the medium panel even though it feels a little too small for me. The large fits my hand a bit better but is too aggressively arched for my liking. Hopefully Ruger will introduce something a bit flatter later on down the road.
Ruger, like the M&P, is devoid of finger grooves.
Along the same lines is grip texture. All three guns have some texturing built in but all are fairly smooth out of the box. Really the only factory texturing that really seems useful across multiple scenarios is the Glock RTF series. The Ruger is nicely textured on the front and back but devoid of much texture on the sides. This was probably done to keep the gun from tearing up jackets and uniform shirts but it doesn't provide much traction for the support hand. On this note, I wonder about Ruger's plastic frame. It feels more rigid and less flexible than the other guns and I wonder how well the frame material will respond to a wood burner and sandpaper.
Up top the American slide has rear cocking serrations that are cross hatched and provide for a good purchase when loading and unloading. Spring weights are such that no excessive effort is needed to work the slide.
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TRIGGER
The American has a steel trigger with a Glock-type trigger safety in the center. Unlike the Glock, the American uses a pre-loaded striker so it operates in more of a "single action" mode. The resulting trigger pull is fairly short and actually fairly crisp with little overtravel.
When I first unboxed the gun, I was surprised at how slow, mushy and indistinct the trigger reset was. But now that I have 300 or so rounds fired and probably 3x as many dryfire trigger presses, the reset is more positive. It still feels a little light and reminds me of the earlier M&P pistols.
SHARP EDGES AND/OR FRAME SHAPE AND THICKNESS
This is another area where, for me, the American and Smith both shine over the Glock. I have fairly large hands and get a very high and aggressive grip on a handgun. The Glock will cut the base of my shooting thumb if I'm not careful.
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Neither the Smith nor the Ruger will bite me. All three pistols are relatively smooth and free of bite points otherwise and are easy to manipulate without torn hands or ripped fingernails. On the down side, the Ruger has no prominent squared edges and a true Novak rear sight so working one-handed malfunctions is going to be difficult. I imagine we'll see a notched rear sight like is on the M&P sometime in the future.
The American's trigger and trigger guard are more close in size and shape to the Glock. Shooters wearing gloves or with fat fingers will probably feel some rubbing on the inside of the trigger guard on these two pistols. The M&P is superior to both in this regard.
EASE OF MAINTENANCE
Both the M&P and the Ruger require the slide to be retracted before the takedown lever can be moved. This is a big plus over the Glock. The American goes one step further in that the trigger is deactivated by the takedown lever and the slide comes off without any trigger manipulation and/or the use of the backstrap pin.
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Ruger says the new American's metal parts are made of nitrided or nickel teflon coated stainless steel. The gun should be fairly easy to maintain in harsh conditions. The gun comes apart easily, as mentioned, and the striker comes out in a manner similar to the Glock and M&P. The firing pin block is located in the sear/firing assembly so the slide has nothing else to remove other than dovetailed sights and the pinned external extractor. The slide does have a few more internal cuts and grooves that are harder to get into with just a cleaning patch or toothbrush compared to the other two.
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The serial number is located on the back of the frame and the entire firing mechanism is housed in a skeletal chassis that can be removed from the frame. This isn't mentioned in the owner's manual but it isn't too hard to figure out. Once the chassis is out, care must be taken not to accidentally lose the trigger return spring or the two level bars that run along each side of the chassis. In this regard, the American apparently is more mechanically complex than the Glock or M&P.
An interesting side benefit, and one that should appeal to many future owners, is the serialized part of the frame can be easily removed. I imagine this means Ruger will eventually sell plastic frame assembly parts in green, tan, etc. Also, departments or agencies issuing the American could replace a damaged frame by simply installing a new plastic housing. This should be a huge advantage over either the other two guns. SIG and Ruger are both on to something here and I imagine more polymer makers will follow this pattern in the future.
ACCURACY
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Accuracy seems good and I had little difficulty keeping rounds in the head of a USPSA target from 15 yards. Similarly I had no problem consistently hitting a steel silhouette target at 50 yards and even 100 yards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjBPd99D2gg
The American, like many light pistols with a relatively heavy trigger, may have a tendency to shoot left for a right-handed shooter. Sinking the trigger finger in a little deeper may help alleviate this.
Ruger seems to have identified the proper barrel twist and barrel-to-slide fit to provide good accuracy out of the box.
DURABILITY/RELIABILITY
It won't be until the gun has been out a year and has been used by a few departments and competition shooters that we can make any sort of determination on durability or reliability. Still, the gun is fairly stout and is noticeably heavier than the other two guns. It is built for hot +P ammo and should be able to take a steady diet of the latest defense ammo without drastically reduced service life. That should mean the 40S&W variant will be tough as nails too.
Overall, I think I prefer the M&P but that's not to say Ruger hasn't done an excellent job with the American and I'll admit the gun has grown on me. I think my preference at this point is honestly based more on familiarity rather than any salient features or design characteristics. Both guns feel a bit more natural and comfortable to me than the Glock series and I don't have the issues with cuts on my thumb or accidental mag release with either.
So there you have it. My quick and dirty review. If anyone has any specific questions let me know. Thanks.
High Tower
12-29-15, 23:50
MSRP $579; street price around $500 according to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duih7Scp_Ho
I think street price should be more in the neighborhood of $450.
I got to run a few rounds through one today. It was nice, accurate, and comfortable. Trigger was a little heavy, but its a striker so yeah.
Won't be buying one anytime soon - I have my HK's and all - but its a nice little gun for the money. Time will tell how much abuse they will take. And the recall will be a setback.
It's interesting . Doubt I'll buy one. Looks very 320ish.
I like my SR22, and if I were a real Ruger person this wouldn't be bad at all.
Everything's homogenizing towards the same polymer striker format.
I find that interesting as well.
Ruger has some additional sight sets available on shopruger.com. So far the options are somewhat limited and I'm hoping we'll see some Trijicon HD's out soon. Trijicon makes HD's for the SR pistols so it shouldn't be a stretch to see HD's for the American.
It will also be fun to see what Ghost can do as far as spring sets and the like. The gun really seems to want to shoot and I'm interested to find out what a lighter trigger and some high vis sights can do for the gun.
Looks like a Canik to me. Not that looks have anything to do with it.
I have too much inertia in glocks to switch but it is interesting and maybe if I was just starting out id take a deeper look.
WickedWillis
12-30-15, 11:59
Looks like a Canik to me. Not that looks have anything to do with it.
I have too much inertia in glocks to switch but it is interesting and maybe if I was just starting out id take a deeper look.
It looks like the TP9 to me as well. I think they have a winner if it's reliable, magazines aren't insanely expensive, and it settles in under $500.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTsZ5HQnuMM
The new gun really seems like it wants to run. I've used it so far with 125gr and 147gr cast, 115gr Tula and Brown Bear, Ruger ARX, Hornady 147 JHP and some PPU ball.
So what's happening to the SR line then? Are they being positioned as the "cheaper" ruger or will they just go away?
So what's happening to the SR line then? Are they being positioned as the "cheaper" ruger or will they just go away?
Good question. I don't think Ruger plans on discontinuing the SR line but, once something like an American Compact comes out, I can see the SR line being dropped.
There are those who don't want or can't afford this $500 gun and its $40 mags so maybe the SR will be the cheaper alternative. Or maybe Ruger will make an "Essential American" line. Drop the nickel teflon coatings and phosphate rather than nitride parts and drop the price that way maybe.
Maiden3.16
12-30-15, 12:54
This gun looks really cool IMO... Interested to see more reviews on it
wtf looks like Ruger's version of the vp9.
concreteguy
12-30-15, 20:46
So SR9 mags won't work. Another new design that takes proprietary mags.
Dave Spaulding seems to like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDbbF7YBpzc
SomeOtherGuy
12-30-15, 21:00
So what's happening to the SR line then? Are they being positioned as the "cheaper" ruger or will they just go away?
CDNN Sports has had most of the SR pistol line on "sale" for the last couple of weeks. Prices aren't amazing, but are better than retail. CDNN is one of the largest liquidators of obsolete and soon-to-be-obsolete firearms in the US, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to guess that Ruger or a major distributor sees SR pistol sales drying up. It's not a sure thing either, just a guess.
I gotta say I'm interested in these pistols.
I would think this would need to come in sub $500 to get any kind of appreciable market share in the polymer field. IMO much like the Sig P320, it's about 15 years too late.
I would think this would need to come in sub $500 to get any kind of appreciable market share in the polymer field. IMO much like the Sig P320, it's about 15 years too late.
The early samples listed on GunBroker.com appear to be slightly under $500. My guess is prices will stabilize at $450.
brushy bill
12-30-15, 21:52
Based on my experience with Ruger customer service, which is the best I've ever experienced from any gun company, I'm interested. Gun looks promising. Spaulding video lists some nice features, non-corrosive treatment to internals, definitely watching with interest.
Price sounds good and hopefully Ruger continues good CS to help this weapon take off. I've got no issues with an American gun company making money.
I am really pleased that Ruger partnered with Safariland, Blade-Tech, Simply Rugged and probably several other companies so holsters are available now. No waiting months for something suitable and/or carrying a brand new gun around in an Uncle Mike's #5 to make due.
Since you mentioned Safariland, I wonder if they will be trying to market to LEO's.
It's available on WhittakerGuns for $421. This gun is coming in at a great price!
brushy bill
12-31-15, 02:21
It's available on WhittakerGuns for $421. This gun is coming in at a great price!
That is a good price, and although it may be ridiculed by elitists, and coined a 'cleti' or 'fudd' gun, that is immaterial to me. I'll give it a chance. But won't be a Beta tester either based on recall history (despite great CS).
Since you mentioned Safariland, I wonder if they will be trying to market to LEO's.
They'd be stupid not to.
Here are some external measurements, for those interested.
Width of the slide
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Width across the slide release tabs. This is the widest point on the gun
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Width of mag release button
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Width across the grip tang
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Width across the palm swells on the medium insert
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WickedWillis
12-31-15, 14:03
Tim from Military arms channel has been playing with one all day, giving constant updates on what he thinks about it. He's had some interesting feedback on his facebook page so far regarding it. Man, the Ruger fans come out in force in those comments lol.
Tim from Military arms channel has been playing with one all day, giving constant updates on what he thinks about it. He's had some interesting feedback on his facebook page so far regarding it. Man, the Ruger fans come out in force in those comments lol.
I just went and looked at the FaceBook page to see what all the fuss is about. I don't have an account over there so I can't post comments but I have to wonder if the guy wasn't trying too hard to get the grip insert off.
On my gun, the little Torx screw inside the grip only needs to be rotated a quarter turn before it unlocks. It turns very easily and almost feels like the teeth on the bit haven't engaged the screw fully. An easy way to make sure the backstrap retention plug is released is to look inside the magazine well. If the plug is inset from the inside of the frame it is not unlocked and the grip insert won't come off. If it is flush with the inside of the frame it is unlocked and downward pressure on the grip insert will remove it from the frame.
A note here about the grip inserts. They are tight on the frame and sort of snap in place. Not like the M&P where they almost fall off once the pin is removed.
Ruger has a short video about grip removal and replacement on the website.
http://ruger.com/resources/videos.html?vidID=005061
WickedWillis
12-31-15, 14:57
I just went and looked at the FaceBook page to see what all the fuss is about. I don't have an account over there so I can't post comments but I have to wonder if the guy wasn't trying too hard to get the grip insert off.
On my gun, the little Torx screw inside the grip only needs to be rotated a quarter turn before it unlocks. It turns very easily and almost feels like the teeth on the bit haven't engaged the screw fully. An easy way to make sure the backstrap retention plug is released is to look inside the magazine well. If the plug is inset from the inside of the frame it is not unlocked and the grip insert won't come off. If it is flush with the inside of the frame it is unlocked and downward pressure on the grip insert will remove it from the frame.
A note here about the grip inserts. They are tight on the frame and sort of snap in place. Not like the M&P where they almost fall off once the pin is removed.
Ruger has a short video about grip removal and replacement on the website.
http://ruger.com/resources/videos.html?vidID=005061
To break the wrench, unless it' a complete garbage quality wrench that Ruger supplied would take some significant force, I agree. He went to swap the grips I guess because he was getting chewed up while firing and figured changing them might remedy that.
To break the wrench, unless it' a complete garbage quality wrench that Ruger supplied would take some significant force, I agree. He went to swap the grips I guess because he was getting chewed up while firing and figured changing them might remedy that.
The plug in the frame that locks the insert has no "feel" so turning it one way or the other really doesn't give any feedback and it is hard to tell if the plug is retracted. I wonder if he didn't turn the screw initially without realizing it was turned and then used too much force trying to turn it beyond the unlocked position.
I'll try to take a photo or two later of what the grip retaining plug looks like both locked and unlocked.
Any comments on the "recoil reducing barrel lug"?
All guns have their own, unique recoil impulse based upon slide weight, recoil return spring weight and other factors.
How does this one "feel"? I know that is an entirely subjective notion but im curious as to how some of you guys that have shot the gun would describe it.
Any comments on the "recoil reducing barrel lug"?
All guns have their own, unique recoil impulse based upon slide weight, recoil return spring weight and other factors.
How does this one "feel"? I know that is an entirely subjective notion but im curious as to how some of you guys that have shot the gun would describe it.
Ruger says that, under a high speed camera, the cam angle is such that there's no spike in slide velocity once the barrel and slide unlock. They say this helps remove some of the recoil caused by the slide slamming forcefully against the slide at the limit of its travel.
Does it work? It seems to. My 9 feels soft to shoot but it is also a little heavier than some other polymer-framed guns. I have shot the 45 version but haven't really put enough rounds through one to make a comment on its recoil.
I just held one of these at Gander Mountain. It feels great in the hand!
I do not know if I would ever buy one because I don't need anymore polymer guns, and striker fired isn't really my thing. I only have a G17 for USPSA. But if the local range ever gets one to rent, I want to try it.
SeriousStudent
12-31-15, 21:29
I merged Tokarev's thread with this one. So if some replies seem a bit disjointed, that is why.
Carry on.
Any comments on the "recoil reducing barrel lug"?
All guns have their own, unique recoil impulse based upon slide weight, recoil return spring weight and other factors.
Here I am shooting a 45. I don't know which firing string this was but going off the ejection pattern I'm guessing it was a mixed mag. The Ruger rep had Hornady XTP and some of the new Ruger/PolyCase ammo for us to shoot.
https://youtu.be/mC-XlGMXyqo
Jeff of Gunblast videos posted his review and demo. Jeff is a huge Ruger fanboy, so take it with a grain of salt, but ... here it is, FWIW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ZWwfw2r0Y&feature=em-uploademail
Have we become so jaded that only negative reviews are taken seriously? Anyone publishing a positive review seems to be immediately dismissed as some type of paid hack.
Jeff Quinn reviews firearms from all types of manufacturers and I generally find his stuff relevant and informative.
Jeff of Gunblast videos posted his review and demo. Jeff is a huge Ruger fanboy, so take it with a grain of salt, but ... here it is, FWIW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ZWwfw2r0Y&feature=em-uploademail
Anyone who put their off hand index finger around the front of the trigger guard, watch his video closely, especially the slow motion part. During recoil, the gun/trigger guard comes off the support finger every time. A good clue to base the decision to use that technique or change to a more useful method.
I would like to shoot one, but I doubt I will buy one. For the money($425-475) I would pick up another CZ P09 or P07 all day long as they, IMO, have proven themselves very good pistols at that price point.
Anyone who put their off hand index finger around the front of the trigger guard, watch his video closely, especially the slow motion part. During recoil, the gun/trigger guard comes off the support finger every time. A good clue to base the decision to use that technique or change to a more useful method.
Surprisingly, Jerry Miculek uses a similar grip when he shoots some types of pistols.
concreteguy
01-01-16, 17:36
Jeff of Gunblast videos posted his review and demo. Jeff is a huge Ruger fanboy, so take it with a grain of salt, but ... here it is, FWIW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ZWwfw2r0Y&feature=em-uploademail
All of Jeff's reviews are generally positive. Even the Remington R51 and Kel-Tec reviews [emoji848]
All of Jeff's reviews are generally positive. Even the Remington R51 and Kel-Tec reviews [emoji848]
Jeff Quinn reviews guns that appeal to a broad range of consumers.
I had supper with Jeff and a few other writers a few years ago. The subject of negative reviews came up. Jeff told us he gets guns from just about everyone in the industry and if a gun functions for him and/or works as expected he puts up a review. If a gun doesn't work or has some quality control issues, etc he doesn't write about it.
Have we become so jaded that only negative reviews are taken seriously? Anyone publishing a positive review seems to be immediately dismissed as some type of paid hack.
Jeff Quinn reviews firearms from all types of manufacturers and I generally find his stuff relevant and informative.
Geesh, chill out guy. I am just pointing out the obvious, Ruger wines and dines Jeff regularly and he returns the favor with glowing reviews of Ruger products. Can't blame him.
Point is that the video is helpful as a first look and listening to him describe what he likes it.
If a gun doesn't work or has some quality control issues, etc he doesn't write about it.
And that is the sign of a person in the hip pocket of the gun industry, part of the problem, actually.
He compromises his integrity by refusing to call it as he sees it. Bummer.
concreteguy
01-01-16, 17:53
Jeff Quinn reviews guns that appeal to a broad range of consumers.
I had supper with Jeff and a few other writers a few years ago. The subject of negative reviews came up. Jeff told us he gets guns from just about everyone in the industry and if a gun functions for him and/or works as expected he puts up a review. If a gun doesn't work or has some quality control issues, etc he doesn't write about it.
I've heard of a few others who do the same. I'm sure manufacturers of the well known guns that have turned out to be junk were gone over with a fine tooth comb before many well known reviewers get there mitts on them.
With Ruger at least they have a great reputation standing behind their products.
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And that is the sign of a person in the hip pocket of the gun industry, part of the problem, actually.
He compromises his integrity by refusing to call it as he sees it. Bummer.
I don't see it as compromised integrity. It would be different if he reviewed a gun with issues that were not disclosed.
Why do you people actually care what anyone on youtube has to say about a gun short of using said videos for an overview of the features of a pistol?
Youtube videos on pistols are entirely subjective and 95% of the people putting out video's have no clue what they're talking about as they have very little experience or no basis of comparison.
Jeff's video shows off the pistol and neither condemns nor really endorses the gun. He says its a Dandy pistol and the "best that ruger has ever produced". To me, those statements hold water albeit a bit of water in a small cup. The real test will be whether or not we see these being run in the competition circles and how well they hold up to higher round counts.
Also, the only thing that i didnt like about Jeff's video was that he didnt put up any accuracy test shots. He almost always does that yet this time he didnt which raised a flag for me.
...the only thing that i didnt like about Jeff's video was that he didnt put up any accuracy test shots. He almost always does that yet this time he didnt which raised a flag for me.
Quinn says this about accuracy on his website:
Accuracy was very good. Slow-fire standing at seven yards, shooting an entire magazine of CCI Blazer Brass FMJ into one ragged hole was no problem. At twenty-five yards from the bench, groups measured from a low of 1.25 to a high of 2.75 inches spread for five shots, depending upon the ammunition. This American pistol is match-accurate, if the ammo is up to the task.
I've found my pistol to be surprisingly accurate too. Here's a quick video I made shooting the American with Tula 115gr from 50 yards. The steel silhouette target is roughly the same size and shape as an IPSC target.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCAkAUWtPac
Have we become so jaded that only negative reviews are taken seriously? Anyone publishing a positive review seems to be immediately dismissed as some type of paid hack.
Jeff Quinn reviews firearms from all types of manufacturers and I generally find his stuff relevant and informative.
The guy has never met a gun he does not like. Any reviewer who is getting guns from the manufacturer should be scrutinized IMO.
II'm sure manufacturers of the well known guns that have turned out to be junk were gone over with a fine tooth comb before many well known reviewers get there mitts on them.
And you would be wrong.
In recent years, I recall the fiasco with Reminton's wonder 9, that entirely flopped.
And, of course, the issues Glock has had with its .380 single stack.
etc.
Leonidas24
01-02-16, 12:00
We got our four pistols on Thursday, two 9mm, two .45. I had a little bit of time yesterday and fired both and was decently pleased. The tang of the backstrap is very squared off towards the top, and rubbed my thumb knuckle pretty hard in the 50 rounds I fired through the 9mm. The .45 didn't feel too much different but I was pleasantly surprised at how controllable it was. Overall I was pleased with our small sample, and feel I can recommend them to customers looking for a full size alternative to Glock, M&P, Springfield, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6wmi_eGHOo
The grip tang is fairly squared off. It doesn't bother me but I can see how it would be uncomfortable to some. I imagine many people who shoot "thumbs forward" will note the blockiness of the frame directly behind the slide release.
Damn....Well, ill be....
This is a really nice offering from Ruger. I was pleasantly surprised and i will say that for what it is, ie a striker fired pistol, it is without a doubt Ruger's finest modern duty style sidearm to date.
The highs:
-The gun points very well, surprisingly well considering I had concerns about the flat design of the beavertail area. I feel like this area may beat the shit out of my thumb knuckle but only shooting the gun will tell that story.
-The gun is very solid feeling and substantial. It does NOT feel cheap like some other guns on the market. You can really feel the 30 ounce weight behind this thing.
-The machining is very well done and the slide is nicely dehorned.
-The sights do not suck for factory sights. They're still three dot assemblies which i despise but at least they're not some wonky ass configuration like most european sights, ie super thick front blades with very narrow rear notches.
-The trigger shoe shape is very nicely done.
-The overall grip dimensions with the medium backstrap are very nice. Not too large, not too small. I would be interested to see how the gun feels with the small and large backstraps just for shizzles and giggles.
-The grip texturing is not bad for a gun that isnt really heavily textured.
-Overall trigger travel is very short with a fairly good set of trigger characteristics. There is some inherent creep but at least its not gritty or notchy. Due to how short the overall travel is, the trigger divides the weight of the break up nicely and does NOT put 90% of the required break force onto the sear like the M&P. I do NOT like glass rod, heavy triggers as i find them to be horrifically inefficient when shooting at speed. I prefer rolling breaks where the break weight is evenly distributed between pre travel spring tension and sear weight. So, the inherent "creep" here is probably something you're NOT going to notice at speed which could result in a VERY and I mean VERY easy to shoot gun. There is also almost no over travel in the system which is quite nice.
-The magazines are very well constructed and the nickel teflon coating is pretty cool.
The negatives:
-The grip had molding flash all over it and a gigantic injection molding seam line. This is cosmetic and a big ol whatever but...yeah.
-The grip feels like ABS plastic, not a polymer. It is very rigid and has no inherent texture to it. I find this to be a huge turn off, not a deal breaker but enough of a turnoff to make me want to cover the whole thing in sandpaper to get rid of the chintzy (subjective) feel.
-The trigger shoe itself, which very well shaped has a trigger dongle/safety that you can feel more so than other trigger safeties on the market. At least it is better than the terrible hinged trigger of the M&P which i find to be the most uncomfortable and inconsistent trigger design on the market.
-The magwell itself is pretty small albeit usable considering its got a nice ramp on it and the magazine itself has a very aggressive taper to it. I just dont understand why manufacturers wont jump into 2016 and realize that most shooters want hotdog in a hallway style magwells on their pistols with aggressive openings, beveled sides and whatever else can be done to hog the darned openings out.
-The magazine followers also looked to be made of plastic versus a glass infused polymer. I feel (Feelings mean nothing versus facts) like I will probably end up breaking followers on these things if I drop them on concrete but only time will tell.
-The reset feels longer than it should and is very indistinct. I dont really care that the reset is indistinct, i do however care that it feels about twice as long as it should. Still, its shorter than a Glock and I should openly admit that ive been shooting some pretty trick DA/SA guns for the past few years so im spoiled when it comes to short resets. I think that under speed, once you learn the reset point, this should be a non issue so dont put too much stock into this observations.
Overall, I am really impressed with this thing. Dander Mountain had the gun listed at 549.00 which I scoffed at but if the actual street price is between 430 and 470, man, this is a nice entry into the market provided it pans out and it is reliable.
Pretty neat. Im excited to see how this shakes out and I may even pick one up just to torture a bit to see first hand whether or not they are reliable.
The trigger on my sample has really improved after a few range sessions and some dryfire work. It wasn't terrible out of the box but it has smoothed up nicely with use. Also the reset, while still a little long, is now quite a bit more positive and distinct.
I pretty much agree. Fairly surprised by the lack of safeties and warnings about the absence of safeties all over the slide. Supposedly it is supposed to have a pretty great trigger pull and reset.
It's not exactly something I'll be really interested in as I feel like it won't really fill any niche that I don't already have filled. I just can't believe there are no pictures or information about these anywhere online.
I shot five rounds through a demo gun at my LGS today. I liked it. I liked the trigger pull. It was heavier than my Glocks but seemed shorter and crisper. The ambi mag and slide release were great. No finger groves was AWESOME! Those are a the one thing I don't like about my Glocks.
I think it's pretty neat looking. It definitely looks futuristic. Almost like a Glock angled grip. Any details on the name or how much? Where did your gun store post this? Can you give a link? I was told $499 by my LGS. Hopeful it will be sold for less.
Quinn says this about accuracy on his website:
I've found my pistol to be surprisingly accurate too. Here's a quick video I made shooting the American with Tula 115gr from 50 yards. The steel silhouette target is roughly the same size and shape as an IPSC target.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCAkAUWtPac
Is that your truck! =)
MountainRaven
01-02-16, 13:56
And that is the sign of a person in the hip pocket of the gun industry, part of the problem, actually.
He compromises his integrity by refusing to call it as he sees it. Bummer.
No, it isn't.
That's SOP for people in this industry with integrity. See also: Pat Rogers, Doctor Roberts, LAV, Hackathorn, &c. They will almost to a man say that they only talk about the things that pass their standards. Anything else, they will not discuss in public, except to say whether they have or have not tested it.
Compare this with your typical gun rag writer who writes glowing reviews of literally everything that their editors and sponsors supply - who will touch briefly on any negative facets but then immediately resume their glowing praise. I can recall one article in particular where the firearm under scrutiny had to be sent back to the manufacturer because of a fairly major manufacturing defect, but it was still awarded a five star, 10/10, would recommend to a friend-type review.
Is that your truck! =)
No old Toyotas were harmed during the creation of this video....
I'm not sure it represents anything new or special, but it certainly looks competitive, which is something Ruger absolutely needed.
Here are photos showing the grip locking cam in the locked and unlocked positions.
This is locked. Here the cam is screwed out and recessed into the corresponding hole in the grip insert:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20160102_182331_zps7cxqfwqr.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20160102_182331_zps7cxqfwqr.jpg.html)
This is unlocked with the little cam screwed all the way in, releasing the grip insert:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20160102_182411_zpsr5bv3wl1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20160102_182411_zpsr5bv3wl1.jpg.html)
The "cam" has a notch in it that interfaces with a small finger that's part of the grip insert. When the cam is backed out the finger in the grip insert "snaps" into the notch on the cam so it stays in place.
As mentioned, the cam is easy to turn (and only turns a quarter turn in either direction) and doesn't provide a whole lot of feedback when changing the grip inserts. For me it is easier to just look at the position of the cam when replacing the grips.
I guess I might have made this system just a little different. I think I would have made the inside of the cam sit flush when it is locked and extend slightly into the mag well when unlocked. That way the cam couldn't be intentionally turned when the pistol is loaded or accidentally be turned in when a mag is in place. Along these lines, the cam would then stick out until the grip insert had been fully changed so the pistol couldn't be reloaded until the change was successfully done.
I don't understand... they didn't improve on anything from existing striker-fired polymer pistols, they didn't make it any cheaper than the old SR line, and they really didn't make it cheaper than the comparable M&P...
Just another gun with zero innovation.... from Ruger.
Leonidas24
01-02-16, 19:05
I don't understand... they didn't improve on anything from existing striker-fired polymer pistols, they didn't make it any cheaper than the old SR line, and they really didn't make it cheaper than the comparable M&P...
Just another gun with zero innovation.... from Ruger.
With so many quality striker-fired guns on the market many of the guns people carry are based on subjective likes and dislikes. I think Ruger can touch a part of the market that wasn't quite sold on Glock, M&P, Sig, Springfield, FNH, Walther, HK, etc etc etc. Your argument kind of refutes guns like the Vickers series G17/19 in that even those guns brought nothing new to the table other than a resurgence of the RTF2 frame, yet those guns get a glowing welcome because they're proven work horses with some aesthetic yet functional upgrades. The Ruger still has yet to be vetted but I'm excited that they're getting away from the guns designed by lawyers and putting a product in Americans' hands that might actually be worth something.
With so many quality striker-fired guns on the market many of the guns people carry are based on subjective likes and dislikes. I think Ruger can touch a part of the market that wasn't quite sold on Glock, M&P, Sig, Springfield, FNH, Walther, HK, etc etc etc. Your argument kind of refutes guns like the Vickers series G17/19 in that even those guns brought nothing new to the table other than a resurgence of the RTF2 frame, yet those guns get a glowing welcome because they're proven work horses with some aesthetic yet functional upgrades. The Ruger still has yet to be vetted but I'm excited that they're getting away from the guns designed by lawyers and putting a product in Americans' hands that might actually be worth something.
I think Ruger will touch the market that knows of Ruger, and sees a lower price tag than other guns.
And my argument doesn't refute anything. Or at least, that wasn't my intent... it's simply my opinion of Ruger. I know they'll sell, I know some will love them. And that's great, I agree 100% that more guns is good. But it's a different situation entirely from Glock doing special runs for distributors. Their gun already exists, and all they're doing is taking customer input for a special run of guns. Also, all Glock does is build handguns. That's it. Oh, and shit shovels... But primarily handguns. Since the Gen 1, they've steadily improved it, and rested on their laurels for quite some time, until real market competition showed up. And now we have Gen 4 MOS models with optics compatibility, a grip texture and shape that answered the prayers of a ton of Gen 3 owners, and other small design changes that customers wanted... Plus the distributor specials. Smith and Wesson took a big step into Glock's bubble with a much more comfortable handgun for many, a new trigger safety format, similar frame fitment options, and their own optics compatible handgun after some years. FN's biggest hit, IIRC, was the .45 Tactical, and it too offered a factory gun ready for optics and a suppressor. And Walther's got the trigger snob market on lock. They're all competing, which is great for us.
But the only competition this gun brings to the table is it's price, and name. Like I said, it's great that there's another accessible gun on the market... But as a consumer that isn't interested in the best price, but the best tool... it does frustrate me.
Tim over at MAC on YouTube has a great first reaction review and ... he pulls no punches and points out the suck in this latest Ruger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxqL9L-0sN8
Tim over at MAC on YouTube has a great first reaction review and ... he pulls no punches and points out the suck in this latest Ruger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxqL9L-0sN8
Hmm, he says it shoots left, has a long reset, is heavy and hurts your hand when you shoot it. Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.
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I don't have the issue with my hand getting hurt while I shoot the new gun. Another member here who's shot the new American noted that he was rubbing his thumb against the frame as well.
I imagine that the folks at Ruger mostly shoot with a thumbs down grip that went out of fashion a couple decades ago. That would explain the ridge in the frame between the frame and grip. I doubt a "thumbs down" shooter would even be aware this ridge existed.
The gun will shoot left if I just use the tip of my finger. Sinking my finger in to the first crease or slightly passed and then using my second joint as the pivot point gets me shooting straight. This isn't unique to the Ruger. Many light guns with heavy triggers do this. The Glocks with the NY triggers are notorious for shooting left.
Yeah, the reset is longer than it could be but it isn't something that can't be gotten used to after a box or two of ammo.
Anyway, I am surprised that five or six people or how many it is in the video are getting hurt by the gun. Dave Spaulding mentioned on his Facebook page that he contributed heavily to the design. I'm sure he knows how to properly grip a modern handgun and would have brought any bite points to Ruger's attention during development.
Dave Spaulding mentioned on his Facebook page that he contributed heavily to the design. I'm sure he knows how to properly grip a modern handgun and would have brought any bite points to Ruger's attention during development.
Either he did not, or Ruger did not act on his advice.
It's a real problem with the handgun and honest reviewers, not paid advertisers for the company, or paid off YouTubers, are honest enough to admit it and point it out.
Ruger swings and .... misses.
Complete slide disassembly is very simple.
The striker is removed in a manner similar to the Glock and M&P but the design is quite a bit different. The striker itself is an assembly that doesn't appear to readily come apart and there are no spring cups or anything to deal with. The small spring at the tip is a rebound spring that pushes the striker back inside the slide after it hits the primer. This small spring may or may not contribute to the gun's passing some type of drop test. Anyway, I would have preferred a spring that was crimped slightly at one end so it was retained on the striker. As it is now it could be more easily lost.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151231_101929_zpssmkmsdl6.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151231_101929_zpssmkmsdl6.jpg.html)
The extractor is held in place by a headed pin. I had assumed this pin was some type of friction fit like on the M&P but it is not. It is held in place by tension from the extractor spring. Pushing in slightly on the extractor removes spring tension and aligns the groove in the pin with the hole in the extractor. The pin can then easily be pushed out from the bottom using a small punch. The pin's head only allows installation again through the top of the slide. This makes removing the extractor for periodic cleaning of it and the channel it runs in very simple and I imagine it could be done in the field with a nail, bent paper clip or M-16 firing pin.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151231_170349_zpsizq1iout.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20151231_170349_zpsizq1iout.jpg.html)
At this point the only thing remaining on the slide are the sights. There does not appear to be any sort of plastic channel liner inside the striker channel.
Either he did not, or Ruger did not act on his advice.
It's a real problem with the handgun and honest reviewers, not paid advertisers for the company, or paid off YouTubers, are honest enough to admit it and point it out.
Ruger swings and .... misses.
Have you actually shot this gun yourself? Or even held one? Or are you just rabidly anti Ruger and these few negative comments fit your bent?
An interesting thing to note about MAC videos, he post many first impressions of new firearms that he gets his hands on and with out fail will put the disclaimer out there that it is not a full review. It usually takes him a few months to do a full review of a new gun.
The Gander Mountain in Snellville, GA (northeast of Atlanta) have four of these. The one I handled had pretty darn good trigger pull and positive reset. The balance and feel of the pistol is similar to the M&P full size. Gander wanted $550 for them, a bit high.
Here's the American Rifleman review of the new gun with a good pictoral comparison of the specs for the 9 and 45. Also of interest is the durability standard of more than 20,000 rounds of NATO ammo.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/12/29/tested-ruger-american-pistol/
concreteguy
01-03-16, 20:23
The Gander Mountain in Snellville, GA (northeast of Atlanta) have four of these. The one I handled had pretty darn good trigger pull and positive reset. The balance and feel of the pistol is similar to the M&P full size. Gander wanted $550 for them, a bit high.
Almost everything Gander has is high. Their sale prices for ammo are still higher than others at regular price.
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wordsandsuits
01-03-16, 21:10
It looks cool like a futuristic gun, but Ruger has always been the practical basic gun to me without the backing of Mil/LE support. Therefore, my opinion, the cool factor reduces to good price and classic American reputation.
WatchTheWorldBern
01-03-16, 21:51
Funnily enough, I had the exact same problem (the back of the gun biting into the joint on my thumb) with my VP9, which is why I'm getting rid of it. Almost no one ever mentioned that in any reviews, but it has some similar contours in the back. One or two people on HKPro had the same issue.
IDK, I've always liked the Rugers because they are pretty rugged. Back in the day when everyone was carrying DA/SA autos, I would not have hesitated to carry a P85 if there were aftermarket decock levers and decent sights available for it. Ruger did not execute those parts very well, but I don't believe I've ever seen one of the P85's or variants go down on the range. And at least from the LE perspective, Ruger's customer service has always been great.
I'm looking forward to seeing one and shooting it, unfortunately not in the market for another striker fired pistol.
I might see if I can't get some chrono data today. I have some Speer Gold Dot +P and some old Remington Golden Saber +P and I'm curious how the gun shoots and handles with the hotter ammo. The only +P ammo I've tried in the gun so far is the Ruger ARX stuff.
I also have some handloads with the Berrys/Wilson Combat 135gr plated loaded with a light charge of Winchester Auto Comp. If the gun runs well with ammo loaded to minor PF I might run it in the next local IDPA match.
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Another review.
http://www.shootingwire.com/features/230374
Ruger-grasping at straws to find something that they can market in the SD market that's worth a damn....kinda like S&W before they came out with the M&P series
Okay. We generated a few chrono numbers with the new American. A Glock 17 with stock barrel was used for comparison. The Ruger turned in numbers on average about 50 feet per second lower than the Glock but it does have a slightly shorter barrel.
No surprises from the chrono data but Ruger's claim about the slightly delayed unlocking and dampening recoil might be true. Perceived recoil is certainly subjective but the Ruger does seem softer than the Glock. But it also has a heavier frame and the grip tang is longer. Both of these also no doubt help.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20160107_083052_zps4vdecznw.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20160107_083052_zps4vdecznw.jpg.html)
Seems like the weight of the Ruger should help with perceived recoil, I would think. 30oz versus 25oz on the Glock. That's a 20% increase in weight. It's not a huge increase, but I could definitely see it helping. The M&P for comparison weighs 26.5oz.
WatchTheWorldBern
01-07-16, 12:50
It really just looks like an M&P with a Hi Point in the back.
For those who like crazy silly torture test videos.
https://youtu.be/CAT4HXunfi8
Not sure if this will be a "VP9 killer".
More GoPro vids. Here I am running slide lock reloads. Mags were randomly loaded with between one and six rounds.
https://youtu.be/5II4yIY76LQ
These haven't hit stores in my area yet, but for some reason I'm liking the 45 on paper. I've been looking for a non Glock/M&P/320 45 and this might fit that role for me. Time will tell though...
I wish I had more trigger time with the 45 American. But my general impression was favorable based on overall size, etc.
Recoilweb "Initial Impressions" (http://www.recoilweb.com/more-on-the-ruger-american-pistol-81095.html)
Illini_Glock
01-11-16, 20:22
I shot the Ruger American 9mm and subsequently bought the Ruger American 9mm. Good pistol for me.
That mag release looks like it's on par with the shitty P series.
My opinion comes from pure speculation and experience with older Ruger pistols however, it looks craptastic.
Anyone beg to differ?
That mag release looks like it's on par with the shitty P series.
My opinion comes from pure speculation and experience with older Ruger pistols however, it looks craptastic.
Anyone beg to differ?
I haven't messed with a P-series in awhile but from what I remember the mag release is pushed forward to activate.
The American's release is ambidextrous but works in the more traditional manner. Pressing the release straight in releases the mag.
Howdy,
I handled a .45 at Atwoods over the weekend and was impressed with it. If I decide to buy another .45acp the American will be the one I buy.
Paul
Review on PoliceOne.com
http://www.policeone.com/police-products/firearms/accessories/articles/63957006-SHOT-Show-2016-Is-Ruger-American-Pistol-poised-to-dominate/
Hell, if the current $350 Turkish pistols (admittedly Walther influenced) can get rave reviews, don't see why Ruger can't.
Ruger makes foxnews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2016/01/22/new-smith-wesson-ruger-handguns-unveiled-at-shot-show.html)
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I bet LAV would have liked to review that.......
I bet LAV would have liked to review that.......
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I had the chance to run 150rnds through the 45 version earlier this week. Not a lot, but so far it seems like what I'm looking for in a striker fired 45. I'm likely going to pick one up as funds allow and run it hard and see.
EzGoingKev
01-24-16, 17:15
Seems like the weight of the Ruger should help with perceived recoil, I would think. 30oz versus 25oz on the Glock. That's a 20% increase in weight. It's not a huge increase, but I could definitely see it helping. The M&P for comparison weighs 26.5oz.
I handled one at a gun show today. It feels like a boat anchor.
KiloSierra
02-07-16, 16:36
Looked at one in a gun shop last week. My impression of it without firing it is it has good ergonomics for me, slightly better then a M&P and way better then a Glock, slightly worse then a VP9. Stock trigger is slightly better then the M&P's mainly because of the slightly lighter pull. It was almost as good as the VP9's but it was gritty and the VP9 isn't. Glock doesn't even remotely compare without a lot of work. Sights are about the same to me as the M&P's.
My number one thought is with the VP9 only $100 more and the M&P $50 more or less then what does the Ruger offer me over those that warrants going to an unproven pistol at this time especially since the perceived advantages over the M&P is very slight and the VP9 simply being superior in every category except price? Of course I suspect Ruger will sell a lot of them just on the price point alone being as most people that buy a handgun simply go by the price and perceived reputation of the manufacturer and not by the overall quality.
...most people that buy a handgun simply go by the price and perceived reputation of the manufacturer and not by the overall quality.
Not to be a dick but isn't that exactly what you're doing here? Basing your opinions on the Ruger based on your preconceived thoughts on their ability to make a "serious" handgun? What makes the VP9 "simply superior in every category?"
The American has some problems but I don't think reliability, accuracy nor durability will be among them.
KiloSierra
02-07-16, 21:11
No, I'm just making the observation that the VP9 has been out for a while and has a known track record, has better ergonomics for me, has more modularity ergonomics wise for different people and is only around $100 more then the Ruger and is only around $50 more then the M&P which is also an excellent pistol with good ergonomics and a proven track record. I'm also pointing out the simple fact that people will buy something cheaper simply because it looks similar to a more expensive one even if the overall quality is nowhere near what the more expensive item is. I have/had/used several Rugers over the years. My experience with them has varied from way over priced for what you got for the double barrel shotguns to very good for the price on their revolvers. I just don't want nor will I have a plastic framed revolver simply because revolvers do not have plastic frames in my opinion. The fact that I don't have the money to switch to the VP9 right now is the only reason I'm still carrying my M&P9 that I've had for several years before the VP9 came out. Now if my choice was between the M&P9 and the Ruger and the Ruger had been out for a while and I didn't have the M&P's already I would probably go with the Ruger, but as is the Ruger overall seems to be only a minor improvement over the M&P and not enough of an improvement to make me switch to it from my M&P9 and the VP9 seems to be enough of an improvement overall to justify switching to it if funds allow. Now if I get some trigger time in with one and it worked better for me then the VP9 or M&P then of course the decision would be different.
The VP9 is huge. Just saying.
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Like everyone(almost), I've not handled one of these so my comments are from reading the thread and viewing images. Note how much of grip and slide area pass back over the shooter's hand. It appears that a lot of slide length is backwards over the hand. Of course I know that one reason to eliminate "bite", but to me this shape is exaggerated. With some of the slide and barrel chopped for a compact version, this shape will then be pronounced.
Unless Ruger has overcome M&P and Glock flaws, all we have is another big plastic pistol. Does it throw brass in the shooter's face? Is it at least as accurate as grandma's Glock.
Like everyone(almost), I've not handled one of these so my comments are from reading the thread and viewing images. Note how much of grip and slide area pass back over the shooter's hand. It appears that a lot of slide length is backwards over the hand. Of course I know that one reason to eliminate "bite", but to me this shape is exaggerated. With some of the slide and barrel chopped for a compact version, this shape will then be pronounced.
Unless Ruger has overcome M&P and Glock flaws, all we have is another big plastic pistol. Does it throw brass in the shooter's face? Is it at least as accurate as grandma's Glock.
No brass in the face for me yet. I don't know about other shooters.
The striker components are longer and, therefore, the tail end of the slide is longer than on some other pistols. I believe this is likely because Ruger based this pistol on the 45ACP.
A better--although more costly approach--might have been to make a design dedicated to the 45ACP and 40 S&W and then scale everything down 5% or 10% to make a new 9mm.
9mm_shooter
02-08-16, 05:30
Seriously. That thing looks like a VP9 had a love child with a Sig 2022.
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Handled one of these at Cabelas late last week. It felt...odd. Physically the grip really wasn't that big but it sure felt like it. Not for me I don't think...
brickboy240
02-09-16, 09:59
Sorry but Ruger's center-fire semi-autos have always left me flat and never wanting to own one. The P-85 to the SR-9 series guns.
They make a neat little 22 semi-auto in the MkII and 22-45 series and I love their single action revolvers but really...everything else they make are items I could take or leave.
Sorry but Ruger's center-fire semi-autos have always left me flat and never wanting to own one. The P-85 to the SR-9 series guns.
They make a neat little 22 semi-auto in the MkII and 22-45 series and I love their single action revolvers but really...everything else they make are items I could take or leave.
Ruger makes the Toyota camry of the gun world. Not terrible but not exceptional either. Most of what they make is OK but just not as refined as some of the other choices out there.
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brickboy240
02-09-16, 10:44
Very true.
Ruger's guns are strong and they work but they are boring and sometimes clunky and uninspiring. Lots of plastic and cast parts and rough finishes.
They are also usually pretty affordable.
MountainRaven
02-09-16, 13:49
So what does that make Glocks? The Toyota Hilux of the gun world?
So what does that make Glocks? The Toyota Hilux of the gun world?
Probably a good analogy lol.
1911s are the Model t ford. A bazillion made, old as dirt but will still get you around if needed.
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I managed to check out a SIG 320 yesterday. I have seen a few of these before but it has always been at a gunshow or similar venue. This was my first chance to actually extensively dry fire one, take it apart, etc.
After examining the SIG, the design similarities become fairly obvious. Both guns use an internal "chassis" that is removable to house the trigger and sear components within the plastic frame.
The Ruger and SIG both hold 17 rounds and are very close in size and weight. The Ruger is 1.75 pounds empty while the SIG is 1.60 pounds.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20160212_201740_zpsx6ylyz4d.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20160212_201740_zpsx6ylyz4d.jpg.html)
Both pistols are shown using the medium grip pieces. Note that the Ruger is slightly thinner. It feels more rigid than the SIG. Not quite as "plasticy."
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20160212_201841_zpscibche40.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20160212_201841_zpscibche40.jpg.html)
Overall height is pretty close too.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20160212_201917_zps3v1jzm6l.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20160212_201917_zps3v1jzm6l.jpg.html)
Complaints about the SIG:
I don't like the front lip on the mag well. It has been my experience that pistols with a flange or extended lip on the front can sometimes be difficult to reload.
The trigger is spongy and not as crisp as the Ruger. But is does seem to have a bit shorter reset.
I don't care for the SIG's mag release. As on the Gen4 Glocks, I can release the mag by applying pressure with my right-hand middle finger. The Ruger's release button is smaller and more out of the way.
Note the lack of a trigger safety on the SIG.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/tokarev/Ruger%20American/PSX_20160212_201601_zpsgpwhwzad.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tokarev/media/Ruger%20American/PSX_20160212_201601_zpsgpwhwzad.jpg.html)
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While similar in overall height, the Ruger's chassis isn't as tall so the frame tang is higher. I prefer this because it allows a higher grip. The SIG feels really tall in my hand and, as a result, feels rather top heavy.
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I haven't had the chance to actually shoot the SIG but will sometime this coming week.
So what does that make Glocks? The Toyota Hilux of the gun world?
I'd go with F150. They sell more of them than anything else, they're reasonably priced, they work, and they last a long time.
Nobody that lives in Hilux countries have the strange affinity for them like Americans do. They're just a stripped down Tacoma made from mostly Tacoma parts. Still tiny and underpowered like the Glock 42. I drove a Hilux two months ago. The best part about it is that I was beating someone else's truck into a POS instead of mine.
Here's Hickock 45's review. Posted yesterday and already had 80k views.
For those not wanting to watch, he doesn't like the size (prefers Glock 19 sized guns) and complains about the long reset. He also doesn't really care for the grip although it doesn't whack his knuckle.
https://youtu.be/FEGqYYgSljE
To update; I have been carrying and shooting the new American fairly regularly for the last few months and think I've used it enough to have formulated some strong opinions on the gun.
First off, the gun has shown itself to be reliable with standard pressure and +P ammo. I've run it with reloads, Tula and factory defensive ammo and it hasn't failed to feed or cycle yet. That doesn't mean it is going to work with anything and everything but it should work with most ammo out there.
The gun also seems to be accurate but it can be hard to shoot accurately. Like many "duty" autos out there the trigger is overly heavy in relation to the overall weight so I've found it very easy to push the gun off target. I think this is somewhat exaggerated by the fact that the trigger is somewhat unpredictable. Sometimes the trigger travel is fairly smooth and sometimes it seems a little gritty and draggy even though the sear release is fairly crisp. Compounding this is that the trigger pull seems to stack just a bit prior to sear release. Also, the reset is really mushy and it feels like the gun would definitely benefit from a stronger trigger reset spring. I suppose there are still plenty of departments out there who want a New York +P+ trigger but I think Ruger needs to lighten the trigger and beef up the reset and offer the mushy heavy trigger as an option.
The grip angle on the gun is good but I don't care for the three included backstraps. The small is way too small and the large is like holding a piece of 2x4. The medium, which I have been using almost exclusively, fits my hand okay but the convex section is too big and the concave section is too small. Add this with a grip tang that sticks out at a nearly perpendicular angle and I feel like my hand isn't making good contact at the top of the grip frame. The gun is definitely designed and built for someone who's used to shooting a Beretta, Ruger or S&W with a slide mounted decocker and is meant for a "thumbs down" grip. I think most shooters who shoot with a more modern high thumbs grip are going to find the Ruger a bit awkward.
Ergonomically the grip tang isn't the only issue. I have found the trigger shape such that it sort of forces my finger onto the bottom of the trigger face. This low position, combined with the shape of the frame and the shape/size of the trigger guard means my trigger finger rubs inside the trigger guard. This makes the trigger feel grittier than it actually is and also can rub a sore spot during extended range sessions.
Controls, overall, are logically placed and work well although I have had a few instances where my shooting thumb has bumped the slide stop and has kept the pistol from locking open when empty. This goes back to my earlier statement about the gun being built for a low thumb grip. Also, from an aesthetic standpoint, the takedown lever is the largest and ugliest control on the gun and looks almost like it was taken off a completely different gun or put on as an afterthought.
The gun is easy to fieldstrip and is fairly free of grooves or small channels inside the slide or frame that can make general cleaning difficult. I like the fact that I don't have to pull the trigger or use a small punch or other tool to take the slide off. Ruger has also made it so the slide cannot be removed with a magazine in place nor can a magazine be inserted when the takedown lever is unlocked. But I have found that I can still rotate the takedown lever and insert a magazine by using a slight amount of extra force when working with these parts. Ruger needs to increase the size of the internal piece that blocks takedown and reassembly when there's a magazine in the mag well.
As I understand it, the American began life as a 45ACP and the 9mm is based off this larger platform. That undoubtedly means the gun is overbuilt for 9mm and will be extremely durable but it also means the gun is heavier than it needs to be. Worn in an IWB holster I have found the gun to be excessively heavy especially with the additional weight of a full magazine. I suppose this additional weight does help with recoil but I’d prefer to see the 9mm version come in three or four ounces lighter than it currently is.
My last complaint is the magazine well and the fitment of the magazines. Magazines fit easily and drop free and a full magazine is very easy to snap in place without having to beat on the base pad. But the magazines also have too much play when locked in and the gun will rattle as I go about my daily activities. Combine this with a frame material that is harder with a bit more "tone" than some competing designs so I have found the American to be quite noisy when carried in a holster.
Ruger is on the right track with this gun and I hope they have a GenII series in the works. I'm glad to see an established American company working to change up their paradigm and create something that's outside their wheelhouse. The Ruger American is, in my mind, a step in the right direction. I like the chassis frame concept and think we'll see more companies making designs that have a removable sear assembly. Who knew the TT33 Tokarev frame insert idea would come back?
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Thanks for such a detailed review Tokarev!
If I was on the fence after hickocks review, which i was, your review has helped me pick a side to that fence.
I cant see myself getting one now, but ifbthey implement some of your changes, that could sway me a bit.
As always, thanks for sharing!
Wonder if it'll make a splash in a market that's saturated with polymer-framed 9mm's?
Wonder if it'll make a splash in a market that's saturated with polymer-framed 9mm's?
That's the big question. I'm afraid my answer is no.
I know my review sounds negative and I guess it generally is. But it isn't that the new American is a bad gun. It just doesn't offer any features that can't be found on other duty-type autos. It is American made and the price is good so those are big pluses. I just wish the gun was a little more mature is all.
I took a ride over to Maryland this morning to shoot the IDPA classifier at the Thurmont range. I decided to shoot the Ruger just to see how the gun would do in the Stock Service Pistol category. The IDPA qual isn't necessarily the toughest course of fire out there but it is a good mix of some of the basics and I've always enjoyed shooting it even though I haven't shot IDPA in probably 10 years.
Ammo used was hand loads with a Berry 135gr plated bullet. The load is right at minor and is soft and easy to shoot. Even though the Ruger is built for hotter +P stuff I had no reliability issues at all with the gun.
The gun is quick from the holster and fairly easy to shoot fast. The extended tang at the bottom of the grip and the overall shape of the mag well makes the pistol quick and easy to reload. Accuracy is certainly good enough for the task at hand and I was generally pleased with the pistol in today's outing. I'll probably continue to shoot it over the summer and see how it does in a competitive environment.
The gun still isn't my favorite and I seem to have a love/hate relationship with it. It worked fine for me today and I didn't feel handicapped by it but the gun points just a little high for me and I threw a round over the right-hand target while leaning around the barrel.
I shot a 106.something which should put me as Expert for SSP. Not bad at all.
Here's just a random picture I snapped with waiting for my turn to shoot. Not really related to the American but it might make the post a bit more interesting. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160508/925a01ba83427dd219117094b1c36ea1.jpg
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