1st and 2nd Line loadout Weight

[locofinn]

This load out with weapons and all mags (5-30rd rifle, 5-16rd pistol loaded in the belt and carrier) and a 30rd in the rifle and 16rd in the pistol totaling 6 mags for each weapon I weigh in 32 lbs with Level IIIa soft armor. With Level IV ICW plates I'm at 48 lbs. What does yours weigh? Am I heavy?
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[Wake27]

Good idea for a thread. Your kit looks pretty streamlined but that scope and bipod aren't doing you any favors. I'll have to check mine.


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[Mak8080]

Good looking load out. I'm almost afraid to find out how much mine weighs. I guesstimate I'm around 48ish pounds.

I'd agree that bipod and optic are on the heavier side.

[tostado22]

I agree, great thread. Ill need to check mine when I get my most recent changes implemented

[Mr blasty]

Depending on what the intended purpose is for the rifle, the optic and bipod may be necessary. Not all ARs are for close range rapid blasting.

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[Wake27]

Depending on what the intended purpose is for the rifle, the optic and bipod may be necessary. Not all ARs are for close range rapid blasting.

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No doubt, just an observation.


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[HardToHandle]

Why the six pistol magazines?
I ask because I would be interested in the weight difference between another rifle mag being equal to two pistol magazines.

My weight is close to 50 lbs more or less for a Level IV vest and war belt. That is too much.

[Artifact]

As mentioned above first to go is bipod and scope.

[SolarHawk]

I would say the answer to your question is a question; how physically fit are you? Can you run 2 miles in a reasonable amount of time (Army basic training PFT (2 miler)) with that much weight? If you cannot, you need to get stronger or reduce the weight you are carrying around. I practice with a 35lb ruck sack because that roughly simulates the weight of my "loadout gear" in the unlikely event I would ever need to move quickly with 35 lbs of guns, ammo, food, and medical equipment. It's really all about how physically fit you are.

[locofinn]

I can jog, not run, about 1 mile at sea level with the soft armor full loadout I'm sucking wind but can hit 8in plate 3 out of 5 at 100m. Confession, the weight is without the Harris bipod but with glass. I also corrected my weight in OP with plates. The illuminated scope is only 19 oz with Aero Precision mount. I would drop the extra pistol mags before the glass. I'm 57 and eyes are not as good as they used to be more than 150m out.

[SolarHawk]

Sounds like you just need to work on your PT but I'm in the same boat as well. I know my physical limitations and work around that. I'm 5'10" and 170 lbs. and 37 yrs young. I've been working on my dad bod for the last 5 years so my PT isn't where it should be. 35 lbs of gear is where I'm at. I'm not super concerned about my accuracy if I'm too tired to lift my gun. Personally, I dropped my PC because I know it will limit my effectiveness in the event I need to be mobile. I'd rather have more ammo or just be able to move. If I need my PC and plates it will be for a situation that doesn't require me to be quite as mobile. But again, if you are sucking wind due to the gear you have, you aren't combat effective and will be worthless to those you are trying to protect, even if it is just yourself. YMMV. Bottom line is to do what is best for you but get physically fit and get training. (Hint MVT.)

[USMC_Anglico]

Drop some of those pistol mags. PT more, if you are not mobile in your kit, it defeats the purpose, mobility is life. Define what your mission is and tailor your kit to it, I have different load outs for a helo raid vs. multi day foot patrol vs. mounted patrolling. Same base, different add ons and deletions of gear/pouches etc. make for different weights. From light to heavy

Again, PT more. If you can't move and fight, then all of the kit in the world is useless. The UBRR is a good standard to shoot for http://www.refactortactical.com/blog/special-forces-pt-test-upper-body-round-robin

[Black_Sheep]

I'm currently putting a basic SHTF load out together so I weighed it to see how my rigs compare.

As pictured below:

AR-15 Carbine w/ full 40 round mag

Eagle chest rig
Hydration carrier & Camelback bladder (empty)
1 QT canteen/GP pouch & IFAK
Condor mag pouch & Tac light
5 x Eagle open top shingles & 5 x full 30 round mags

Alice type web belt
Eagle molle "battle belt"
S&W 645 & Bianchi UM84 holster
Specialty Defense dump pouch
HSGI Blowout kit w/shears, tourniquet and Israeli bandage
3 x full 8 round S&W mags & Eagle .45 mag pouches
Condor mag pouch w/ Leatherman Multi-tool

Total weight 29 lbs
An identical rig set up for shotgun and my fully loaded 18.5" Mossberg 500 weighs in at 26 lbs

[BrigandTwoFour]

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I did an exercise like this a while back, and have been tweaking with it a bit. I imagined some kind of "Modern Minuteman" scenario that would require dismounted patrolling of a several square mile area of my neighborhood following some major natural disaster. I didn't follow the 1st line/2nd line convention, but rather a fighting load and approach load specified in various field manuals. The fighting load consisting of minimum equipment required to fight and survive for up to 24 hours (including clothing, belt kit, weapons, ammo, survival gear) and the approach load being more of the snivel gear and extra food for 48-72 hours. This is what I basically came up with...

Total combined load, dry: 47.67 lbs
Total combined load, wet: 57.92 lbs

Fighting load only, dry: 39.7 lbs
Fighting load only, with water: 43.7 lbs

Approach load, dry: 7.96 lb
Approach load, wet: 14.21 lb

Further contents and weights are broken down below.



Fighting Load

Total weight, dry: 39.7 lbs
Total weight, with water: 43.7


Fighting load contents (weights are in ounces)

Clothing: 151.7 oz (9.48 lbs)

Base Layers 16
Belleville Sabre Boots 45
TAD RS Pant 28.6
Vertx Smock 51.2
Wool watch cap 2.1
SKD PIG gloves 2.3
Shemagh 6.5

Gun/ammo: 319 oz (19.93 lbs)

Beretta 92A1 with TLR-1s 34.7
3x17 mag 9mm 34.7
7x30 mag 5.56 112
Carbine 137.6

Belt Kit: 83.8 oz (5.2 lb)

VTAC Brokos belt 10.4
VTAC Cobra belt 7.4
TT fight light harness 6.4
TT Magna pistol mag pouch 3.2
HSGI Tacos x2 6.4
TT Universal Mag Pouches x2 16
Canteen covers 8
ATS Medium GP pouch 6
HSGI Bleeder pouch 6.4
Safariland 3280 holster 13.6

Equipment: 71.32 oz (4.45 oz)

Nalgene Oasis 32 oz Canteens x2 4.58 (dry, add 32oz each when filled)
USGI Cup/stove 10
Talkabout radio 6.4
Map of area 0
Silva compass 3.5
Food bars (x3) 9
12 water purification tabs 0.44
Peltor ear pro 8
compact binos 11.8
Leatherman skeletool 5
fire starting equipment 3
SOL survival blanket 3.2
surefire g2x pro 4.4
cyalume sticks x2 2

BOK Contents: 9.5 oz (.59 lb)

Nitrile gloves 0
z pack gauze 1.1
israeli bandage 3.5
Vented seals 1.6
NPA with lube 0.5
Sharpie Marker 0.3
TCCC card 0
chitogauze 0.7
Rolled duct tape 0.3
Benchmade Rescue hook 8 1.5

The approach load fits in my pack, which can be dropped if needed without affecting my ability to complete whatever task is at hand. The pack is set so that it rides on the shelf made by the two canteens and the ATS pouch. That helps transfer load from the shoulders to the hips, just like a hiking pack would. I find this quite comfortable for long distance walking.

Total approach load, dry: 7.96 lb
Total approach load, wet: 14.21 lb

Approach load contents

SOC Three-Day-Pass Pack 48
TAD Fleece hoodie 10
Whistle 0.8
Camelback Omega 7.6 (dry, add 100oz when filled)
2 MRE broken down 44
50 ft 550 cord 4.3
Spool Tool 2.9
Boo boo kit 8
Lifestraw filter 1.8

In all, a total weight of 57.92 lbs is manageable for moving around on foot. I've some some shitty backwoods hikes for a couple weeks with quite a bit more than that. But I'm probably not moving terribly fast, and this kind of kit pretty much rules out riding around in vehicles. If I feel like speed is more important, I can shed pounds by reducing the amount of water, ammunition, and food I'm carrying. But, overall, I felt like this setup represents a pretty good variety of capability.