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Parachute Pants
01-06-16, 00:25
I want to assemble an M16A1 clone, but I'm having trouble finding a couple of components. The only A1 uppers I can find are sold by Fulton Armory ($150 without the rear sight assembly) and Nodak Spud ($180). I'm also having trouble finding a suitable barrel. The only A1 profile barrel I can seem to find is from Green Mountain, but it has a 1:12 twist. Ideally, I'd like a 1:7 twist for shooting heavier bullets.

Any leads would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Renegade04
01-06-16, 13:09
AR15Sport offer a 20" pencil barrel in a 1/9 twist. http://shop.ar15sport.ihoststores.com/productinfo_v3.aspx?productid=BARREL-20LWT19

As far as A1 uppers go, Nodak Spud is the best option as opposed to trying to find a USGI surplus M16A1 upper. They are out there. If you can find a complete M16A1 upper, you will pay a couple hundred dollars. You can probably get a stripped one for around $150. I have some connections on another forum that has their own retro section. I can see if anyone over there has a complete A1 upper for sale. You will also need a flat slip ring. For other M16 parts, call Slim at Indiana Army Surplus (812-275-2801) and tell him what you need and he will see what they have left. They do not have any of the M16 parts on their website. I have bought a lot of pieces from them in the last year. If you call him, tell him that James Rea sent you. I have sent a lot of guys to him.

ClassIIIGunsmith
01-07-16, 12:24
A 1:12 twist is good for lobing heavy rounds too. I can get my SP1 sporter to launch 75gr sierras BTHP with 25.2gr of 748 (super hot load fyi) with a 1.75MOA at its best with my eyes. Remember your building M16A1 not a DMR so a 1:12 is perfect for your needs. But VooDoo tactical had some in their catalog last time I checked with a 1:8 or it was 1:9.

ccosby
01-07-16, 12:49
AR15Sport offer a 20" pencil barrel in a 1/9 twist. http://shop.ar15sport.ihoststores.com/productinfo_v3.aspx?productid=BARREL-20LWT19


Any idea how good their barrels are?

Renegade04
01-07-16, 16:54
Any idea how good their barrels are?

They are pretty good. A young guy I just helped with assembling his first retro AR bought one of these barrels. They are really accurate. A few other guys I know of have bought and used their barrels (most 1/12) with very good results. AR15Sport's CS is really good too.

Renegade04
01-07-16, 17:00
A 1:12 twist is good for lobing heavy rounds too. I can get my SP1 sporter to launch 75gr sierras BTHP with 25.2gr of 748 (super hot load fyi) with a 1.75MOA at its best with my eyes. Remember your building M16A1 not a DMR so a 1:12 is perfect for your needs. But VooDoo tactical had some in their catalog last time I checked with a 1:8 or it was 1:9.

VooDoo Innovations does not have any 20" barrels or any in the proper profile (.625" under the gas block) which is what an M16A1 clone would require.

ClassIIIGunsmith
01-07-16, 17:57
Sorry was thinking the ultralite was in a 20" as well

usmcvet
01-11-16, 08:07
A little off topic but very cool.

http://www.gunnyssurplus.com/shorty-ar-triangle-forend-for-the-car.html

Renegade04
01-11-16, 10:21
A little off topic but very cool.

http://www.gunnyssurplus.com/shorty-ar-triangle-forend-for-the-car.html

Those are patterned after the ones used on the Colt Model XM607. This is my 607 clone.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/XM607/013_zps38e83791.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/jamesrea_2006/media/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/XM607/013_zps38e83791.jpg.html)

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/XM607/011_zpsbb62931b.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/jamesrea_2006/media/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/XM607/011_zpsbb62931b.jpg.html)

Parachute Pants
01-11-16, 18:52
Thank you, everyone--especially Renegade04--for the advice and ideas.

usmcvet
01-12-16, 07:46
Those are patterned after the ones used on the Colt Model XM607. This is my 706 clone.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/XM607/013_zps38e83791.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/jamesrea_2006/media/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/XM607/013_zps38e83791.jpg.html)

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/XM607/011_zpsbb62931b.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/jamesrea_2006/media/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/XM607/011_zpsbb62931b.jpg.html)

I've drooled over you rifle several times. It's very cool!

Renegade04
01-12-16, 07:54
I've drooled over you rifle several times. It's very cool!

Thanks. It took me 2 1/2 years to get it put together. Well worth the effort. BTW, I noticed I had a typo. I said it was my 706 clone. I meant 607. Sometimes my fingers do not do why the brain is thinking.

usmcvet
01-12-16, 11:14
I didn't even notice. It's an awesome SBR.

Renegade04
01-12-16, 11:38
I didn't even notice. It's an awesome SBR.

Thanks.

Parachute Pants
01-19-16, 17:05
I just wanted to add a bit to this topic:

I recently received a 16" Faxon GUNNER barrel, and, despite what the picture looks like on their website, the specs listed for it are correct; the gas block journal is 1.9" long, so there is enough room to pin an FSB. I was considering using their 20" GUNNER barrel as a more modern interpretation of the A1 pencil profile barrel. Here's the barrel I had in mind:

http://faxonfirearms.com/20-gunner-5-56-nato-rifle-length-4150-qpq/

Parachute Pants
01-19-16, 17:06
Now if only there were more gunsmiths willing to work with nitrided barrels...

herd118
01-20-16, 11:38
Brownell's just jumped into the retro a1 upper game:
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar-15-m16a1-upper-receiver-sku080001303-83620-174440.aspx

Parachute Pants
01-20-16, 12:51
Brownell's just jumped into the retro a1 upper game:
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar-15-m16a1-upper-receiver-sku080001303-83620-174440.aspx

Huh, those are marked Nodak Spud.

herd118
01-20-16, 13:10
Huh, those are marked Nodak Spud.

Yep, Brownell's is using raw a1 forgings from Nodak Spud to make their upper. Note it's also in black anodizing rather than the normal Nodak/Colt gray finish. Making a1 lowers too: http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/lower-receivers/ar-15-brn-16a1-lower-receiver-sku080001304-83622-174441.aspx

bigwagon
01-20-16, 13:27
Note it's also in black anodizing rather than the normal Nodak/Colt gray finish.

That's actually a nice touch for those looking for the retro profile but not wanting to deal with having an upper or lower re-anodized or mismatching. I could see doing a build with one.

RiflemanBobcat
01-29-16, 13:37
Brownell's just jumped into the retro a1 upper game:
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar-15-m16a1-upper-receiver-sku080001303-83620-174440.aspx

I think I saw somewhere, maybe TOS, that Brownells is looking into a run of their A1 barrels with a 1:7 twist. Might be worth contacting them to ask about it.

Parachute Pants
01-29-16, 15:45
I think I saw somewhere, maybe TOS, that Brownells is looking into a run of their A1 barrels with a 1:7 twist. Might be worth contacting them to ask about it.

Thanks for the heads up, and I'll keep an eye out on that. I bought one of their A1 uppers, so I'm progressing.

Lately, though, especially after being inspired by militarymoron's lovely retro post, I've been thinking about doing an XM177-E2 instead. I've subsequently also been looking at lightweight carbine barrels. It seems that the only ones with the correct profile out there are the 6720 barrel militarymoron cut down (which is OOS everywhere), some OOP Daniel Defense barrels, and some Double Star offerings. I don't see the point of cutting down a $250 Double Star 14.5" lightweight barrel assembly and pinning an $130 muzzle device on it if the Colt barrel costs just $20 more, though.

futurerider103
12-05-16, 17:40
Those are patterned after the ones used on the Colt Model XM607. This is my 607 clone.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/XM607/013_zps38e83791.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/jamesrea_2006/media/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/XM607/013_zps38e83791.jpg.html)

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/XM607/011_zpsbb62931b.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/jamesrea_2006/media/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/XM607/011_zpsbb62931b.jpg.html)
This is literally what I'm wanting. I'm not really looking to build a retro gun. Because I'm going to refinish it but I do want a SBR, carry handle, a1 stock, triangle handgaurds

FaxonNathan
12-10-16, 09:17
I just wanted to add a bit to this topic:

I recently received a 16" Faxon GUNNER barrel, and, despite what the picture looks like on their website, the specs listed for it are correct; the gas block journal is 1.9" long, so there is enough room to pin an FSB. I was considering using their 20" GUNNER barrel as a more modern interpretation of the A1 pencil profile barrel. Here's the barrel I had in mind:

http://faxonfirearms.com/20-gunner-5-56-nato-rifle-length-4150-qpq/

Checked our website. Does show the 1.9" gas block journal. With the thin barrel, it certainly can be deceiving!

GRA556
01-08-17, 21:50
My retro M16A1 rifle currently in the works will be built with this barrel. These are nice no-nonsense folks and they will see to it you get what you need.

Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/barrelfa16m4gicontourcm1x9threadedchromelined-1.aspx


As you can see these are 1-8" twist chrome-lined .625 20" pencil barrels made by Criterion, who produces quality barrels. This barrel is the correct profile for your build.

Faxon also makes great barrels. I have a couple of theirs and I have no problems with them whatsoever. Later this year I plan on building a 7.62x39 Dissipator using one of their barrels. Looking forward to that particular build too.

LoboTBL
01-08-17, 22:23
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Renegade04
01-09-17, 09:23
The other day, Brownells sent out word on another forum that they are just about to receive an order of their new A1 barrel assemblies. They are in route to them as I write this. They posted that you could go ahead and post an order for one, but it would temporarily be on backorder. I ordered one immediately. Here is their post from 1/5/17.

"We were notified by the manufacturer that the first batch of 20" A1 1-12 Barrel Assemblies shipped to us yesterday. These should post on the site next week.
If you'd like to call in your order, our part number is 100-020-999. Again, they're not in-stock, but you can backorder it if you'd like."

colt191145lover
03-11-17, 20:30
My retro M16A1 rifle currently in the works will be built with this barrel. These are nice no-nonsense folks and they will see to it you get what you need.

Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/barrelfa16m4gicontourcm1x9threadedchromelined-1.aspx


As you can see these are 1-8" twist chrome-lined .625 20" pencil barrels made by Criterion, who produces quality barrels. This barrel is the correct profile for your build.

Faxon also makes great barrels. I have a couple of theirs and I have no problems with them whatsoever. Later this year I plan on building a 7.62x39 Dissipator using one of their barrels. Looking forward to that particular build too.

This is the barrel I was interested in as well. Who are you having drill and pin the FSP on for you?

GRA556
03-11-17, 20:45
This is the barrel I was interested in as well. Who are you having drill and pin the FSP on for you?


I might be missing an understanding here. Please specify which barrel you're asking me about again. I apologize for my mistake here.

GRA556
03-11-17, 21:31
If I understand you correctly now ... I just checked Fulton's site and did not see the complete barrel being offered anymore. When I purchased mine I either purchased what was then offered as a complete barrel assembly or had them install the FSP, etc., prior to shipping it. I will have to find my invoice somewhere and check (this may take a while ... LOL) but I will check for you if you want (let me know).

I have used a gunsmith here locally that has good lathe skills and he has installed a couple for me for $75.00 each with me supplying all the parts but that's been a few years.

Here's his link: http://www.vandenbergcustom.com

You can call him and see what he says. No-nosense gentleman and I've had NO problems whatsoever with his work.

colt191145lover
03-11-17, 21:44
Yes it was the Criterion barrel. I thought id email Fulton and see if they offer that service.
Thank you for the info!

GRA556
03-11-17, 22:19
Yes it was the Criterion barrel. I thought id email Fulton and see if they offer that service.
Thank you for the info!

OK ... I was able to get in to their site and check my order history. Yes indeed, they charged $75.00 for pinning that sight. It appears I bought all the pieces from them to assemble the upper and paid them to pin the sight and ship the barrel as a completed barrel assembly. This was purchased in May of last year.

It appears now when I told you they once offered the completed assembly I got confused with a completed cut-down Dissipator barrel they once sold but no longer offer. My apologies.

What I actually did was one day several months earlier I called and ordered a C-7 upper. I remember they put a technician on the phone who explained/warned the C-7 uppers they had remaining were alll close-tolerance with the bolt carrier and charging handle so they sold me those 3 parts together. A few months later I bought their lower receiver, a bolt, and the barrel, etc., (above), so this was 2 separate purchases for the same weapon.

I've recently finished that build and I must say that was the absolute smoothest build I've done to date. That barrel nut aligned at right around 42 lbs. of torque and everything went together flawlessly. Everything fits; no burrs on anything, etc., and the finish on both receivers is a perfect match. This weapon is every bit as smooth an assembly as anything from the Colt factory. I'm very pleased so far.

I'll post a photo of it here once I get the hand guard situation sorted out. I bought a pair of triangulars online and although I was told both sides came off the same weapon they don't line up on the underside. I'm trying to find the elusive LH side in good shape at a decent price or I'll be using a set of airsoft hand guards I purchased new and cheap yet fit like a glove.

Cannot wait to get this to the range. Nasty rainy weather here in Gulf Coast Texas is causing too many problems and setbacks.:mad:

colt191145lover
03-11-17, 22:26
Awsome!
Ive been wanting to do a M16A1 build for a lot of years and i think that barrel with that twist rate is going seal the deal

I did find this company as well but have no experience with them.
http://www.shop.dezarms.com/product.sc;jsessionid=EA18B1966A554E4930540546EEF27F16.p3plqscsfapp003?productId=121&categoryId=27

GRA556
03-11-17, 22:43
Awsome!
Ive been wanting to do a M16A1 build for a lot of years and i think that barrel with that twist rate is going to seal the deal.

I waited for the longest too. I looked and watched forever contemplating building an A1 from all-original parts or building a clone vs retro. I weighed the options and finally decided to do a "mutt" ... LOL

I did not want to use the big pin Colt and the lower receivers are pricey. When I discovered the original A1 models had a 1-12" twist I regrouped and decided to do a retro "mutt". By this I mean I used a combination of original Colt, new Colt, and other aftermarket parts.

My entire stock assembly is an original A1 as is the rear sights with an NOS Colt buttpad. I did have to order the tiny 1/16" pin for the sight wheel off e-bay as they cannot be found in local hardware stores. The small parts I used (all pins and springs, bolt catch, mag release) are new Colt parts. The fire control group is new BCM except I substituted a MCARBO 4.5 lbs. hammer spring and the pull is smooth. The rest of the parts, to include the receivers, BCG, and barrel is all from Fulton Armory. I used an ERGO STO A2 grip. I'm trying to find an NOS OD green sling and of course the hand guards and I'll be 100% done. It was a fun and smooth build. Have fun and good luck with yours. :cool:

GRA556
03-12-17, 00:12
Awsome!
Ive been wanting to do a M16A1 build for a lot of years and i think that barrel with that twist rate is going seal the deal

I did find this company as well but have no experience with them.
http://www.shop.dezarms.com/product.sc;jsessionid=EA18B1966A554E4930540546EEF27F16.p3plqscsfapp003?productId=121&categoryId=27

Never heard of nor seen these folks. Might be worth checking in to though.

colt191145lover
03-12-17, 10:41
I always stick with well known brands for my serious use rifles, being this one is more of a "toy"I thought id ask around.

GRA556
03-12-17, 14:11
I always stick with well known brands for my serious use rifles, being this one is more of a "toy"I thought id ask around.

Both of their pencil barrels offered are cheaper and they both have good twist rates. As long as they are 100% USA-made I don't see why not. If I ever do a 16" carbine I might give them a try.

Fulton Armory did do a good job of FSB installation and alignment, I must say; $75.00 mounted and although all the other parts were extra of course they installed the older "flat" delta assembly and triangular hand guard cap along with the sling swivel assembly. All I had to do was install the barrel assembly to the upper receiver and install the A1 rear sight assembly.

Personally I like pencil barrels. They are lighter and IMHO if you use a traditional A1/A2 FSP/gas block they seem to cool faster, even though they may heat faster.

Please share any information you may learn in the future with us here. Any information is good information and you can never seem to have enough of it. :cool:

colt191145lover
03-12-17, 14:30
Will do. The only thing i noticed that may be a issue to some is the Dez barrel comes with a M4 barrel extension.

GRA556
03-12-17, 14:47
Will do. The only thing i noticed that may be a issue to some is the Dez barrel comes with a M4 barrel extension.

COOL ... just get M4 ramps cut in to the upper receiver. If you're not dead set on a pure Colt then you can do whatever you want. Build for the best of all features and generational upgrades.

colt191145lover
03-12-17, 18:09
Here is another one I ran across in my internet travels today... http://www.mckay-ent.com/ar15-m16/m16-a1-replacement-barrel.html

GRA556
03-12-17, 18:22
Here is another one I ran across in my internet travels today... http://www.mckay-ent.com/ar15-m16/m16-a1-replacement-barrel.html

WOW ... now this is truly sweet. I wonder if the last 2 are selling the same barrel ... ???

The barrel sold by Fulton Armory is a Criterion with a 1-8" twist. These last 2 are 1-7". Price is not bad and again, unless you want a pure Colt that will have a 1-12" twist you're going to be able to shoot a wider variety of loads with the faster twist barrels.

colt191145lover
03-12-17, 18:41
Personally I want a 1/7 or 1/8 twist. I shoot a lot of heaver bullets and dont want a slow twist to limit me on what I can shoot. Trying to keep track of different ammo and mags for different guns would be a real pain!

GRA556
03-12-17, 18:42
Personally I want a 1/7 or 1/8 twist. I shoot a lot of heaver bullets and dont want a slow twist to limit me on what I can shoot. Trying to keep track of different ammo and mags for different guns would be a real pain!

Yes I agree. This has been my reasoning exactly.

colt191145lover
04-10-17, 12:10
Just a heads up, these are available for back order on the website now!
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/barrel-parts/rifle-barrels/ar-15-20-a1-rifle-barrel-1-7-assembly-prod97909.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=BROWNELLS%2bMILITARY%2bBARRELS

556Cliff
04-24-17, 21:29
Just a heads up, these are available for back order on the website now!
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/barrel-parts/rifle-barrels/ar-15-20-a1-rifle-barrel-1-7-assembly-prod97909.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=BROWNELLS%2bMILITARY%2bBARRELS

Yep, me and my brother have two on back order.

The Brownells A1 uppers are also back in stock.

colt191145lover
04-25-17, 10:09
I have a barrel and a Nodak upper and lower on order , now we play the waiting game....

usmcchet9296
01-21-18, 15:42
Here is a 1/9 twist chrome lined barrel
personally I think 1/9 is better for a range rifle
1/7 you are limited to 62+ grain bullets
1/9 you can shoot the more common 55 to 75 grain bullets
http://www.del-ton.com/Del_Ton_Barrel_Kit_p/kt1010.htm

Iraqgunz
01-21-18, 17:31
Your information is incorrect. A 1/7 barrel offers more versatility than a 1/9.


Here is a 1/9 twist chrome lined barrel
personally I think 1/9 is better for a range rifle
1/7 you are limited to 62+ grain bullets
1/9 you can shoot the more common 55 to 75 grain bullets
http://www.del-ton.com/Del_Ton_Barrel_Kit_p/kt1010.htm

usmcchet9296
01-21-18, 17:56
Your information is incorrect. A 1/7 barrel offers more versatility than a 1/9.
Im not going to into a pissing match about this but I will say this
the only reason the military went with the 1/7 was because the rounds the military used didn't work well under extreme cold with a faster twist and I believe also tracer rounds stabilized better with 1/7
1/8 would be the ideal but 1/9 will work better with common 55, 62, and 69 grain bullets
I see you are a master armorer and prior service so I will show you respect you didn't show me and leave it at that
but I have offered in my prior post another option besides 1/7 and 1/12 twist barrels

GRA556
01-21-18, 18:58
Regarding projectile weight(s) and barrel twist ... I'll leave this here (you may have to actually cut and paste the entire link).

Hope it helps: ammo-oracle.razoreye.net

usmcchet9296
01-21-18, 19:22
Regarding projectile weight(s) and barrel twist ... I'll leave this here (you may have to actually cut and paste the entire link).

Hope it helps: ammo-oracle.razoreye.net

If I was building a .223 bolt gun I wanted to shoot at distance I would definitely got for 1/7 as I could shoot the heavier 77 and 80 grain bullets and also have a greater OOL than the spec for a AR rifle

William is right though
for a battle rifle I would want a 1/7 but for Joe average range guy who wanted to build a pencil barrel, insert not overly accurate when compared to a dedicated precision gun, a 1/9 might just be the twist rate he/she wants

GRA556
01-21-18, 19:30
I currently have 4 pencil barrels; 2 with 1-8" and 2 with 1-7". Although I haven't fired any MK262 77 grain rounds yet I've had no problems with anything yet between the two.

usmcchet9296
01-21-18, 19:39
I said in my initial post
"Here is a 1/9 twist chrome lined barrel
personally I think 1/9 is better for a range rifle
1/7 you are limited to 62+ grain bullets
1/9 you can shoot the more common 55 to 75 grain bullets "

while its doubtful even with 55 grain bullets in a 1/7 twist rifle a 1/9 personally would be a better option
I did not say without a doubt 1/9 is better but IMHO as a range gun and with the delton barrel I offered another, not better or worse, option
buy what you want
I have a M16A4 clone with a 1/9 barrel it shoots just fine for me and my son
that being said my information wasn't incorrect and this is my last response regarding this
I don't want to said track this Thread as I too will be buying parts to build a retro AR too and this information is good for everyone

GRA556
01-21-18, 19:51
Right ... I just put that link in here so folks can have at least one source of good reference if they have nothing else. It's long reading but good reading and I have no reason to suspect the data is wrong.

colt191145lover
01-21-18, 20:41
I said in my initial post
"Here is a 1/9 twist chrome lined barrel
personally I think 1/9 is better for a range rifle
1/7 you are limited to 62+ grain bullets
1/9 you can shoot the more common 55 to 75 grain bullets "

while its doubtful even with 55 grain bullets in a 1/7 twist rifle a 1/9 personally would be a better option
I did not say without a doubt 1/9 is better but IMHO as a range gun and with the delton barrel I offered another, not better or worse, option
buy what you want
I have a M16A4 clone with a 1/9 barrel it shoots just fine for me and my son
that being said my information wasn't incorrect and this is my last response regarding this
I don't want to said track this Thread as I too will be buying parts to build a retro AR too and this information is good for everyone




This is American and everyone has there own opinion and can do what they like, and I love it.
Unfortunately the tone being set here is really pushing to get quality treads like this closed.
Iraqgunz is a highly respected SME in his field who has forgotten more of this stuff than we will ever know. I have learned a ton from him!
I hope everyone cant take a deep breath and just chill out so we can all have a good time and learn.
Rant over.

Iraqgunz
01-22-18, 03:11
A. No one disrespected you.

B. Your information is factually incorrect regardless of what you think. Why the military chose what it did makes no difference at this point because it has been the MIL STD for over 30 years.


Im not going to into a pissing match about this but I will say this
the only reason the military went with the 1/7 was because the rounds the military used didn't work well under extreme cold with a faster twist and I believe also tracer rounds stabilized better with 1/7
1/8 would be the ideal but 1/9 will work better with common 55, 62, and 69 grain bullets
I see you are a master armorer and prior service so I will show you respect you didn't show me and leave it at that
but I have offered in my prior post another option besides 1/7 and 1/12 twist barrels

LDB
01-22-18, 07:12
I don't know if they'd have what you need but Battle Rifle Company is a great 100% veterans business that does top shelf work with top quality parts.

GRA556
01-22-18, 19:00
Unless my information received previously is wrong but I've been told that Battle Rifle Company makes the retro barrels for Brownells ... (???)

usmcchet9296
01-22-18, 19:04
Unless my information received previously is wrong but I've been told that Battle Rifle Company makes the retro barrels for Brownells ... (???)
Could be Nodak makes the uppers and lowers

GRA556
01-22-18, 19:07
Could be Nodak makes the uppers and lowers

Yes that is my understanding also regarding the retro receivers.

556Cliff
01-22-18, 23:16
Yes that is my understanding also regarding the retro receivers.

NoDak supplies the upper and lower forgings and Brownells has them machined and finished by someone else... I suspect that it's Aero Precision but I could be wrong.

The barrels are currently being made by Ballistic Advantage.

Renegade04
01-23-18, 10:07
Unless my information received previously is wrong but I've been told that Battle Rifle Company makes the retro barrels for Brownells ... (???)

Ballistic Advantage makes the retro barrels for Brownells. Nodak Spud supplies the upper and lower receiver forgings and the 2-position buffer tubes. Battle Rifle Co. merely assembles some rifles using the Brownells/Nodak Spud receivers. I am not sure where they get their barrels,, but it is possible that they are coming from Brownells as well. They are also using some C7 type receivers on some of their retro-inspired builds. Personally, I am not impressed enough to buy from those guys. You can build one cheaper that you can buy one from them. I guess it all depends on the person as to what they want and are willing to pay and/or wait for. Brownells is also getting ready to release their own line of retro ARs as evidenced by a video I saw this morning from the Shot Show. Brownells is making an announcement at 2PM (PST) today.

GRA556
01-23-18, 10:28
Ballistic Advantage makes the retro barrels for Brownells. Nodak Spud supplies the upper and lower receiver forgings and the 2-position buffer tubes. Battle Rifle Co. merely assembles some rifles using the Brownells/Nodak Spud receivers. I am not sure where they get their barrels,, but it is possible that they are coming from Brownells as well. They are also using some C7 type receivers on some of their retro-inspired builds. Personally, I am not impressed enough to buy from those guys. You can build one cheaper that you can buy one from them. I guess it all depends on the person as to what they want and are willing to pay and/or wait for. Brownells is also getting ready to release their own line of retro ARs as evidenced by a video I saw this morning from the Shot Show. Brownells is making an announcement at 2PM (PST) today.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Are you currently at the Shot Show?

Renegade04
01-23-18, 10:47
Thanks for clearing that up.

Are you currently at the Shot Show?

Negative. In the comfort of my home. Chris at Small Arms Solutions posted a video from yesterday at the Shot Show Media Day where he was shooting the new line of retros from Brownells.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uf3euyvfmI

Fluke
01-23-18, 14:43
I vote Colt SP1 1-12" twist with a Sierra #1330 50 gr. SPT and 24 gr. of N133. Consistently under 0.75" MOA and it drops coyotes instantly. The 20" barrel with no muzzle device makes hearing protection unnecessary and the rifle is easy to carry. With this rifle I have never had to take a second shot at any coyote so far, knock on wood. (FYI, home built rifle using older Colt SP1 barrel)

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