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Colt has posted their 2016 Commercial Catalog to the website along with a price list.
Catalog (http://www.colt.com/DesktopModules/Bring2mind/DMX/Download.aspx?EntryId=946&PortalId=0&DownloadMethod=attachment) Price List (http://www.colt.com/DesktopModules/Bring2mind/DMX/Download.aspx?EntryId=947&PortalId=0&DownloadMethod=attachment)
Noted changes are the release of the more budget friendly "M4 Expanse" and the change in rail design on the MARC 901. The AR901 remains in the pipeline with the changed name of 901 Carbine.
Will be interested to see what was altered aside from no rear sight on the Expanse from the 6920 as we know the 6900 did nothing on the market.
Reviewing the Price List, noted that the 6720, 6920, and 6921 Uppers will also be available without hand guards for $60 less than the normal upper MSRP.
No 9mm Rail Gun. Damn.
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Eurodriver
01-07-16, 08:48
For $699 MSRP that is a hell of a deal.
I'm interested in seeing the specs on the Expanse rifle.
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methical20
01-07-16, 09:26
I'm interested in seeing the specs on the Expanse rifle.
Ditto. This could be a huge winner.
HelloLarry
01-07-16, 10:30
No mid length with the LE6940 front sight/GB. :(
The 6920 SOCOM seemed to be popular and then it was discontinued. Wonder if Colt will ever bring it back?
*yawn*
Nothing significantly new.
Was hoping for a middy and some M4A1-style carbines with the right barrel profile and length, SBRd or pinned. At least the AR15A4 is there.
Will be interested to see what was altered aside from no rear sight on the Expanse from the 6920
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Looks like no M4 barrel M203 cut and both "useless" sling swivels missing.
Aluminum mag instead of P mag.
Still a killer price.
I would rather they keep the product line the same, and improve their lousy customer service.
Looks like no M4 barrel M203 cut and both "useless" sling swivels missing.
Aluminum mag instead of P mag.
Still a killer price.
I wonder if there is more to it. It's $100 less msrp compared to the OEM models
glock21xxx
01-07-16, 13:07
No 9mm Rail Gun. Damn.
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^^^^^ this would have been the real winner. Alas, no joy.
that lack of SOCOM sucks. I was really daydreaming about a SOCOM profile with a cutout new Centurion rail. :(
I wonder if there is more to it. It's $100 less msrp compared to the OEM models
Good point, maybe Grant will stock one for an internals report.
Fatorangecat
01-07-16, 13:46
They could sell as many mid length OEMs as they could make. I buy Colts because they are a step above the $600 S&Ws and Bushmasters. The "Expanse" is a step in the wrong direction.
*yawn*
Nothing significantly new.
Was hoping for a middy and some M4A1-style carbines with the right barrel profile and length, SBRd or pinned. At least the AR15A4 is there.
Yea I was hoping for some middy options as well. The factory m4a1 would have been cool as well.
Also while I'm sure I would be in the minority I wish they had some a2 options. At least in uppers you could buy. They have made a2 uppers with m4 feed ramps before so it wouldn't be hard to put their barrels on them and a shorter front sight.
I wonder if there is more to it. It's $100 less msrp compared to the OEM models
Yeah that's where I'm at with it. The 6900 I am pretty sure was more than that. I wonder if maybe it's a "sport" style upper? No FA, dust cover, etc?
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FN is marketing it's "Collector Series" M4/M16A4 guns. If Colt did a special "Collector's" run of, say, the old SP1's, I wonder if they would sell?
FN is marketing it's "Collector Series" M4/M16A4 guns. If Colt did a special "Collector's" run of, say, the old SP1's, I wonder if they would sell?
I always felt that is where they could integrate the Custom Shop into the rifle line. Would simplify the rifle line while providing options. Example...
OEM Line: 6920
CS Line: 6920 SOCOM (Block I)
OEM Line: 6720
CS Line: 6720 LW SOCOM (Block II)
CS Line: 6720 with Extended Rail
OEM Line: AR15-A4
CS Line: USMC "M16-A4" Package
OEM Line: 6933
CS Line: "Mk18" Package
OEM Line: 6921
CS Line: 6921 SOCOM (Block II)
...and so on. It'd take the same idea as FN's collector series while retaining quality. The line per model would work much like the M45A1 and the CS variant are offered off the shelf.
As for your SP1 comment... add a "Legacy Line" with the SP1 Rifle, SP1 Carbine, and the AR15-A2 and you'd have it covered.
Eliminate the niche models, if one wants Magpul furniture price the OEM-1 models where the buyer can equip it as they like. The line would cover the Legacy Fighting Rifles, the Base Fighting Rifles, and the modern advanced Fighting Rifles via the CS models.
I always felt that is where they could integrate the Custom Shop into the rifle line. Would simplify the rifle line while providing options. Example...
OEM Line: 6920
CS Line: 6920 SOCOM (Block I)
OEM Line: 6720
CS Line: 6720 LW SOCOM (Block II)
CS Line: 6720 with Extended Rail
OEM Line: AR15-A4
CS Line: USMC "M16-A4" Package
OEM Line: 6933
CS Line: "Mk18" Package
OEM Line: 6921
CS Line: 6921 SOCOM (Block II)
...and so on. It'd take the same idea as FN's collector series while retaining quality. The line per model would work much like the M45A1 and the CS variant are offered off the shelf.
As for your SP1 comment... add a "Legacy Line" with the SP1 Rifle, SP1 Carbine, and the AR15-A2 and you'd have it covered.
Eliminate the niche models, if one wants Magpul furniture price the OEM-1 models where the buyer can equip it as they like. The line would cover the Legacy Fighting Rifles, the Base Fighting Rifles, and the modern advanced Fighting Rifles via the CS models.
You didn't mention a mid-length. Therefore you will be shot at dawn.
FN is marketing it's "Collector Series" M4/M16A4 guns. If Colt did a special "Collector's" run of, say, the old SP1's, I wonder if they would sell?
This SP1 that you speak of, that would grab my attention and empty my wallet some.
You didn't mention a mid-length. Therefore you will be shot at dawn.
I figured that would be thrown in with the Upper Receiver offerings as well as a 300 model. For the 300, offer one non NFA we could slap on any rifle and one compact SBR upper for our SBRs.
I like the MARC 901 carbine. Anyone heard anything about it? Is it a good option for a .308 chambered carbine?
Looks like no M4 barrel M203 cut and both "useless" sling swivels missing.
Aluminum mag instead of P mag.
Still a killer price.
If those are the only differences then that's a hell of a deal!
This SP1 that you speak of, that would grab my attention and empty my wallet some.
Totally. A 16" lightweight sporter with integrated carry handle (A2 style if you will), I'd be all over that. Through in triangle handguards and it'd be a deal.
The handguard on the Expanse looks thinner. I'm guessing it lacks heat-shielding. Would like to be able to see the other side to see if forward assist and dust cover are present. Really looks like a Sport and AR556 response.
Does anyone know if Colt batch tests some of their rifles or are all rifles individually MPI tested? Would be curious to see if they start batch testing the Expanse to save money if they don't already do batch testing. If they use the same BCG but just batch test it I'd be fine with that.
Either way, at this price point ($550-600?) looks like a great deal for those of us who aren't operators or just want a back-up rifle.
The handguard on the Expanse looks thinner. I'm guessing it lacks heat-shielding. Would like to be able to see the other side to see if forward assist and dust cover are present. Really looks like a Sport and AR556 response.
Does anyone know if Colt batch tests some of their rifles or are all rifles individually MPI tested? Would be curious to see if they start batch testing the Expanse to save money if they don't already do batch testing. If they use the same BCG but just batch test it I'd be fine with that.
Either way, at this price point ($550-600?) looks like a great deal for those of us who aren't operators or just want a back-up rifle.
I had the previous LE 6900 that was the "sport" variant. It had a different carrier, and I would assume a different bolt, although I didn't pull the bolt out of the carrier to check. I won it at a DU banquet, and since I knew I wasn't keeping it I only did a quick look over.
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Eurodriver
01-08-16, 06:39
Yeah that's where I'm at with it. The 6900 I am pretty sure was more than that. I wonder if maybe it's a "sport" style upper? No FA, dust cover, etc?
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http://rangehot.com/colt-mfg-2016-previews-new-firearms-at-gunsite/
http://rangehot.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Colt-Gunsite-12.jpg
BatteryOperated
01-08-16, 07:04
The Ar15A4 is looking sweet. I was day dreaming of this at work and it made the time fly.
http://rangehot.com/colt-mfg-2016-previews-new-firearms-at-gunsite/
http://rangehot.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Colt-Gunsite-12.jpg
Hey thanks for the link. So it says the expanse is a "standard M4", so I'll assume it's had all the HPT/MPI, etc., that one would expect.
That's a great price.
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AR15A4 still on my to get list (2 if doable).
A middy would be nice, but I would prefer they keep pumping out quality 6920s.
I'm good on that end. A CS SP-1 would sell but would probably be expensive.
AR15A4 still on my to get list (2 if doable).
A middy would be nice, but I would prefer they keep pumping out quality 6920s.
I'm good on that end. A CS SP-1 would sell but would probably be expensive.
I kinda want one of their ar15a4's myself but I bought 2 bcm ones before they came out with them and that makes it a lot harder to justify.
snowdog650
01-08-16, 13:39
Hey thanks for the link. So it says the expanse is a "standard M4", so I'll assume it's had all the HPT/MPI, etc., that one would expect.
That's a great price.
That is a great price. Considering the $699 MSRP, one would expect to see the occasional $599-$625 sale pricing (Black Friday, etc.).
KalashniKEV
01-08-16, 13:56
Colt's Bankruptcy Exit Roiled by Sciens Default
http://www.nasdaq.com/article/colts-bankruptcy-exit-roiled-by-sciens-default-20160106-00982
If Colt did a special "Collector's" run of, say, the old SP1's, I wonder if they would sell?
Dear Colt,
How to not be bankrupt:
1)
Collector Series
XM177
Mk 18
M16A1
M16A2
M4
SOPMOD Block II
Colt SMG-type SBR
OEM Models and Complete Uppers
Mk 18
M16A2
2)
Pay attention to the roll mark
3)
Price them competitively
v/r,
KalashniKEV
Colt's Bankruptcy Exit Roiled by Sciens Default
http://www.nasdaq.com/article/colts-bankruptcy-exit-roiled-by-sciens-default-20160106-00982
Dear Colt,
How to not be bankrupt:
1)
Collector Series
XM177
Mk 18
M16A1
M16A2
M4
SOPMOD Block II
Colt SMG-type SBR
OEM Models and Complete Uppers
Mk 18
M16A2
2)
Pay attention to the roll mark
3)
Price them competitively
v/r,
KalashniKEV
Hit the nail right on the head
brickboy240
01-08-16, 14:21
With gun sales where they have been since 2008...it is hard to fathom how ANY gun maker could go bankrupt!
LOL
leibermuster
01-08-16, 15:52
Colt's Bankruptcy Exit Roiled by Sciens Default
http://www.nasdaq.com/article/colts-bankruptcy-exit-roiled-by-sciens-default-20160106-00982
Dear Colt,
How to not be bankrupt:
1)
Collector Series
XM177
Mk 18
M16A1
M16A2
M4
SOPMOD Block II
Colt SMG-type SBR
OEM Models and Complete Uppers
Mk 18
M16A2
2)
Pay attention to the roll mark
3)
Price them competitively
v/r,
KalashniKEV
Exactly.. there worse than Hk and they have no excuses for it.
Colt's Bankruptcy Exit Roiled by Sciens Default
http://www.nasdaq.com/article/colts-bankruptcy-exit-roiled-by-sciens-default-20160106-00982
Dear Colt,
How to not be bankrupt:
1)
Collector Series
XM177
Mk 18
M16A1
M16A2
M4
SOPMOD Block II
Colt SMG-type SBR
OEM Models and Complete Uppers
Mk 18
M16A2
2)
Pay attention to the roll mark
3)
Price them competitively
v/r,
KalashniKEV
Exactly. How about some correct M16A1 and M16A2 rollmarks....ie with the rampant pony centered superiorly on the side of the magwell, instead of offset to toward the front of the magwell. A 6933 marked
M16A2
COMMANDO
would be the heat. Use A1 forgings for A1s. Bring back gray anodizing on some models as well.
http://rangehot.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Colt-Gunsite-8.jpg
Pic of the Expanse carbine's right side from the rangehot.com article, don't have dust covers and just plugs on the forward assist hole, but they are upgradable by the owners.
I agree it looks like a skinny shorty carbine single heat shields handguards.
A Colt dealer from Mount Morris, IL stated that the barrel does not have chrome lining.
When the AR15A4's where announced I picked up one of KAC's M5 RAS factory seconds with the full intention of purchasing the rifle to put it on at a later date. I haven't had the extra expendable income to do so yet, so I'm glad to see that they are still offering them. Maybe this year...
So I read the Colt 6900 wasn't made by Colt. Can we assume the Expanse is?
So I read the Colt 6900 wasn't made by Colt. Can we assume the Expanse is?
In the brochure posted in the OP, it looks like a colt defense rollmark. The 6900 I sold had a different one...colts mfg maybe? I can't remember exactly, but it was different.
May be indicative of true colt manufacture? (Expanse)
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BatteryOperated
01-09-16, 05:27
I am stoked on the AR15A4's, and am looking forward to purchasing one.
lethal dose
01-09-16, 05:58
According to the mrgunsngear social media page, the bbl is 4150. They'll have really scored if this is the case and are utilizing proper melonite in lieu of chrome lining.
Whats the skinny on Colt's financial situation?
Eurodriver
01-09-16, 08:29
I am stoked on the AR15A4's, and am looking forward to purchasing one.
These have been out for a very long time?
BatteryOperated
01-09-16, 08:43
These have been out for a very long time?
Understand, but out of stock at most places. I am not looking to spend over MSRP, and am hoping the new reorganization will bring more inventory at lower prices. I am just looking to build a fixed 20" that's all.
Eurodriver
01-09-16, 09:26
Understand, but out of stock at most places. I am not looking to spend over MSRP, and am hoping the new reorganization will bring more inventory at lower prices. I am just looking to build a fixed 20" that's all.
Gotcha. I never knew there was such a demand for the AR15A4 until they went out of stock and everyone started asking WTF! I've got a BCM, but that Colt is calling my name.
BatteryOperated
01-09-16, 09:33
Gotcha. I never knew there was such a demand for the AR15A4 until they went out of stock and everyone started asking WTF! I've got a BCM, but that Colt is calling my name.
I hear you! As they say "you don't know what you got until it's gone." I am hoping they return to the 850'ish range.
Mrgunsngear
01-09-16, 11:48
According to the mrgunsngear social media page, the bbl is 4150. They'll have really scored if this is the case and are utilizing proper melonite in lieu of chrome lining.
Hey that's me :D
FWIW---Colt's literature says it's a 4150 phosphate barrel so I doubt it's melonited. We shall see....
lethal dose
01-09-16, 12:24
Hey that's me :D
FWIW---Colt's literature says it's a 4150 phosphate barrel so I doubt it's melonited. We shall see....
Even still... phosphate isn't necessessarily bad. Again... We'll see.
So do we think the expanse has some kind of modular upper like MUR?
Colt says on their webpage "The Expanse™ can be upgraded with the addition of a forward assist and dust cover."
In any case. Colt lower, and BCG as long as it isn't a 6900 branded one, is a pretty great deal.
So do we think the expanse has some kind of modular upper like MUR?
Colt says on their webpage "The Expanse™ can be upgraded with the addition of a forward assist and dust cover."
In any case. Colt lower, and BCG as long as it isn't a 6900 branded one, is a pretty great deal.
considering its a budget rifle, i very seriously doubt it has a modular upper.
no doubt they will sell a ton of these
I agree that it seems unlikely, but given the name and the statement on their webpage I don't know what to think.
So do we think the expanse has some kind of modular upper like MUR?
Colt says on their webpage "The Expanse™ can be upgraded with the addition of a forward assist and dust cover."
In any case. Colt lower, and BCG as long as it isn't a 6900 branded one, is a pretty great deal.
No, it comes with a standard A4 upper receiver. It has a rubber plug in the Forward Assist hole and nothing for the dust cover.
The 'upgrade' would be to simply install the forward assist and dust cover.
I agree that it seems unlikely, but given the name and the statement on their webpage I don't know what to think.
i think they mean it like stag does, how you can "upgrade" to 1/7 over 1/8
i cant see them having a modular upper and not advertising it as such
No, it comes with a standard A4 upper receiver. It has a rubber plug in the Forward Assist hole and nothing for the dust cover.
The 'upgrade' would be to simply install the forward assist and dust cover.
wow.
i wonder how much they are saving by not including those parts? $20?
I guess we will know after shot show. I can see the dust cover left off but not an upper shipping with an empty forward assist hole.
No real information out there yet. Probably just updated their webpage in prep for shot.
I guess we will know after shot show. I can see the dust cover left off but not an upper shipping with an empty forward assist hole.
No real information out there yet. Probably just updated their webpage in prep for shot.
Its not empty, it has a plug in with the colt logo on it. I doubt its metal due to cost, I assume its a polymer. You can see in pictures posted in this thread.
wow.
i wonder how much they are saving by not including those parts? $20?
20$ counts, that 20$ lower msrp, it adds up. I looks like they took stuff off as a theme. Sling swivel, forward assist, port cover, rear site, m4 cut, all added it it creeps the price down.
wow.
i wonder how much they are saving by not including those parts? $20?
Not even. You can buy those parts retail for $20. Cost is maybe 5 bucks for an OEM like Colt. And it probably only saves 5 minutes in labor.
But with their lame stocking dealer program, smaller shops (especially CA ones) will not be able to benefit from any of this.
Coal Dragger
01-10-16, 15:44
As long as we're compiling a Colt fan boy wish list here, I will submit my Colt fan boy wish list items.
I'd love to see the following rifle from Colt Defense:
16" mid length gas, M4A1 like contour, no M203 cuts because they're not needed, maybe just a bit more taper down to the shoulder where the gas block will be than the carbine length M4A1. For extra credit they could invest in some rotary hammer forging machines to make their own barrels, then nitride them AND chrome line them. I am thinking of a barrel that can withstand very hard use and hold up for a long long time. I of course would love to see a properly sized gas port, I don't care if it won't run underpowered Russian garbage ammo. While they are fulfilling my unreasonable requests they can install a good hybrid flash hider/compensator on it, I've grown fond of the Surefire Warcomp for example.
15" MLOCK or KeyMod rail that is fairly slim, and relatively light weight. If it ends up a bit heavier than other offerings that is OK if durability and strength are there, there are already existing rails like the Geissele that would work. I just want perfect alignment with the upper, and very secure attachment. While they're at it they could equip a good robust BUIS, nothing overly complicated , just simple and durable. I'd also be open to a front sight base that peeks up through the top of the rail, or a pinned gas block with a folding front sight that does the same. I'd also love to see the rifle factory equipped with the VLTOR A5 buffer tube system and furniture, along with the BCM grip/trigger guard.
While I'm wishing for general awesomeness they should also equip this carbine with a Geissele SSA or SD-C.
Then offer the same rifle described above except with a light weight barrel, don't bother with a Govt' contour because that profile makes little sense on a commercial market carbine with a carbine length gas, and absolutely none on a middy.
Oh, and I want color options for the anodizing. A nice FDE and if possible an olive green would be sweet.
I would then like to make a bunch of insane unreasonable demands of their handgun manufacturing, but few here like revolvers and want to hear (or read my ranting) on how they should reintroduce the Python (cost prohibitive) or at least the Anaconda (why not Colt? Why!). Or how they should stop dicking around and design a modern service pistol with a low bore axis, high reliability, excellent sights, and a good trigger.
Craziness I know.
Why is an Expanse $100 cheaper than an OEM?
Different barrel, missing FA and dust cover, and they can price it however they want to differentiate the price points.
Not even. You can buy those parts retail for $20. Cost is maybe 5 bucks for an OEM like Colt. And it probably only saves 5 minutes in labor.
It all adds up... $5 in parts, 5 min in assembly time, 2 min on QC checks, lower parts inventory cost, etc. all in, maybe $10-15 per rifle, Oem cost. Along with one less person on the assembly line to manage. That alone translates to $40-50 in MSRP, and allows them to not have to worry about a new upper that is forged without those "upgrade" allowances, further reducing costs and parts inventory and management.
And S&W have proven that the market will support this exact rifle at this price point, so they are building to that, in what appears to be a well thought out move.
Remember union labor has already almost sunk Colt multiple times.
For some one who could be costing colt 75$ or more an hour to install and test those parts. Those 5$ parts really may cost colt another 75$ to have installed and tested.
It costs us nothing to install these parts, it costs Colt a ton.
I'm sure there is some cost savings for Colt, but I think it's really more about being able to differentiate it from the 6920 variants and justify a lower price point.
They can differentiate it by a model designator. Trust me, it's about cost, and it appears the ability to upgrade to a full feature rifle. As I understand it, it is fully upgradeable. Unlike the previous 6900 that had integral trigger guard, and a slick upper. Not to mention it was more expensive.
A real colt rifle that can have EVERY feature added down the road, and at that price? I think this will compete quite well.
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It has a non-chromed barrel, so fully upgrading it to the standard of a 6920 will take a little more work.
BatteryOperated
01-12-16, 05:40
And S&W have proven that the market will support this exact rifle at this price point, so they are building to that, in what appears to be a well thought out move.
The current '16 production M&P15 SPORT™ II has the dust cover and forward assist included at an MSRP of $739.00. The older M&P15 Sport is also listed on the website at an MSRP of $739.00. It seems S&W has decided to include the forward assist and dust cover at no increase in cost to boost sales.
It has a non-chromed barrel, so fully upgrading it to the standard of a 6920 will take a little more work.
Right. But it can be done, unlike the 6900.
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The 6920 is the bargain rifle, given its specs. The new 'bargain' rifle will cater to those who don't do a lot of shooting, and could care less about specs, but more about the 'cool-factor.'
Where's the mid-length AR with ambi-bolt release and centurion rail??
Wasn't there talk at some point of a 6940 with an extended cutout rail that continued past the folding front sight?
I swear I saw a pic somewhere.
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Sadly, not a thing I'd be interested in.
Colt sire does have ****ing-up with their product line down-pat.
Sadly, not a thing I'd be interested in.
Colt sire does have ****ing-up with their product line down-pat.
It makes you wonder if they don't want more market share. It seems so simple to make what people want just by adding a few features.
patriot_man
01-16-16, 11:02
Very disappointing that the SOCOM was not in the catalog.
Very disappointing that the SOCOM was not in the catalog.
I stupidly sold a SOCOM one year ago. Now, they're 1600-2500, if you can find them.
Coal Dragger
01-16-16, 13:25
I couldn't find a single SOCOM II for sale online, and the standard SOCOM carbines seem scarce too.
I'm not even sure what the SOCOM II is worth now, my understanding is that Colt only made 1500 of them. Not sure about production numbers on the SOCOM, does anyone know?
I wonder if I should stop shooting the Colt, and use my Daniel Defense instead. I never thought a Colt M4A1 pattern rifle could have collector value, but I'll bet owners of SAA's, 1911's, Pythons, and Anaconda's never thought their guns would either.
patriot_man
01-17-16, 04:13
The standard SOCOM rifles seemed to be prevalent with stores even slashing prices down to $1200 or more.
I've heard they're coming back but not seeing it in the catalog makes me question that info.
Eurodriver
01-17-16, 10:14
How much do you all think I could sell a Colt 6920, cherry condition, Colt carry handle, KAC M4 rail, factory box, etc?
They seem pretty scarce, but prices haven't increased. Should I wait to dump it closer to the election?
I'd be willing to pay right at $1000 for that set up. That said, I'd wait until the panic sets in toward the election...
How much do you all think I could see a Colt 6920, cherry condition, Colt carry handle, KAC M4 rail, factory box, etc?
They seem pretty scarce, but prices haven't increased. Should I wait to dump it closer to the election?
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