SR-25 with M-LOK and Proof Research barrel?!

[Koshinn]

I don't know how I missed this a few months ago but...

http://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/STKL7139-A-2.jpg

http://www.recoilweb.com/knights-armament-very-interdasting-75021.html

I want. Want now. Jack senpai please deliver unto us more knowledge now that SHOT is here.


I mean I'd be happy with just the upper...

[jpmuscle]

That makes my britches tight for sure

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[TheChunkNorris]

That's a pretty looking rifle.

[mack7.62]

Sweet!!

[Firefly]

Dammit that's the sexiest thing I've seen all morning and that's saying something.

I only need one Kidney and I only need to eat once a week....

[tom12.7]

While that's not a production rifle, KAC is at the SHOT Show with the M-LOK ACC, and that is supposed to be a production gun soon.

[PatrioticDisorder]

While that's not a production rifle, KAC is at the SHOT Show with the M-LOK ACC, and that is supposed to be a production gun soon.

Yep, I'll take the stock ACC MLOK all day over that proof research nonsense.

[PatrioticDisorder]

Duplicate post.

[eternal24k]

What's proof research?

[mtdawg169]

What's proof research?
They make carbon fiber wrapped rifle barrels.

[tom12.7]

Yep, I'll take the stock ACC MLOK all day over that proof research nonsense.
Same here. The ACC is fantastic in it's role, I just prefer the M-LOK rail over what was offered before.

[Koshinn]

Speaking of M-LOK ACCs...

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/01/22/knights-armament/

$4861 MSRP

[cbx]

Dammit that's the sexiest thing I've seen all morning and that's saying something.

I only need one Kidney and I only need to eat once a week....
I saw this title, and right there thought of firefly.

[Failure2Stop]

Speaking of M-LOK ACCs...

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/01/22/knights-armament/

$4861 MSRP

Some wrong stuff in that article.
NOT hammer forged barrel. 5r cut-rifled, as noted on the placard. It would be really odd to cut-rifle a hammer forged barrel.
No, it is not what was submitted for CSASS. While I cannot discuss an ongoing gov program, I can say that I prefer the current ACC and APC over what was submitted. In short, the program forced us to push weight into places we didn't want to, remove weight from places we wanted, and forced some dimensions that we didn't find optimal. What we have separate from the program is mostly what we want.

I don't know if the QDC/CQB can is the smallest and lightest combat rated suppressor on the market. It is the smallest and lightest 7.62 suppressor that we currently offer.

As far as the ITAR and photographs go (from the comments), our compliance folks err heavily on the side of caution, especially true beginning a few years ago, which prompted the ITAR warning signs. Back when a bunch of companies got hit for various seemingly silly reasons, we remained unaffected. We "prohibit" photography to limit non-customers from having easy access to detailed information with which to reproduce our products and to reduce the number of poor photographs of heavily handled products out in the wild. We provide a press-pack on request.

[Failure2Stop]

As per the original post:


I don't know how I missed this a few months ago but...
http://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/STKL7139-A-2.jpg
http://www.recoilweb.com/knights-armament-very-interdasting-75021.html
I want. Want now. Jack senpai please deliver unto us more knowledge now that SHOT is here.
I mean I'd be happy with just the upper...

I actually personally built that gun. It's a one-off special.
The Proof barrel is neat, but I think that their application is much better suited on long bolt guns where the weight difference is more tipped toward the user. I could be wrong, just giving my initial impression.

[Koshinn]

I actually personally built that gun.


I figured. Don't know how I knew that, but I knew it.

[Failure2Stop]

I figured. Don't know how I knew that, but I knew it.

There was a disturbance in the force...

[TheChunkNorris]

There was a disturbance in the force...

Bravo Sir... Bra-vo.. think there's a LMT MWS in my safe that needs to make way for something with a SR and 25 in the name.

[domestique]

Bravo Sir... Bra-vo.. think there's a LMT MWS in my safe that needs to make way for something with a SR and 25 in the name.

Mmmmmm, loving the M-LOK.

The lower price points KAC has been selling is definitely attractive. I had an ECC that was simply a work of art. Definitely the softest shooting battle rifle I've ever fired. But the price point allowed me to sell the ECC and buy two LMT LM8MWS rifles instead.

I would love to someday buy another SR25.

[Drummer]

Some wrong stuff in that article.
NOT hammer forged barrel. 5r cut-rifled, as noted on the placard. It would be really odd to cut-rifle a hammer forged barrel.
No, it is not what was submitted for CSASS. While I cannot discuss an ongoing gov program, I can say that I prefer the current ACC and APC over what was submitted. In short, the program forced us to push weight into places we didn't want to, remove weight from places we wanted, and forced some dimensions that we didn't find optimal. What we have separate from the program is mostly what we want.

Since you said "mostly" what you want, what changes would you make to the ACC/APC?

Solider Systems posted a rumor that the HK G28 made the down select for the CSASS program. Can you comment on whether the KAC submission was also down selected?

Lastly, is there any idea on when orders will be taken on the SR25 M-Lok models?

[Failure2Stop]

Since you said "mostly" what you want, what changes would you make to the ACC/APC?
Solider Systems posted a rumor that the HK G28 made the down select for the CSASS program. Can you comment on whether the KAC submission was also down selected?
Lastly, is there any idea on when orders will be taken on the SR25 M-Lok models?

I change some minor things on the guns that I shoot personally, and I would prefer to extend those minor changes across the line. That said, there are always concerns about outside sources with regard to pricing stability, availability, delivery schedule, testing, work instruction changes, etc., that makes it more of an effort than most would think to change some simple things based on individual preference.

As far as CSASS goes, I cannot divulge information about an ongoing government program. I can only say that what I have right now I consider to be superior to the submission.

Dealers should be able to place orders for the released products presently, but I will have to confirm with my commercial guys.

[Boba Fett v2]

Bravo Sir... Bra-vo.. think there's a LMT MWS in my safe that needs to make way for something with a SR and 25 in the name.
As much as I want an MLOK SR25 ACC I would never sell my MWS to get one. That said, the MWS is currently set up in a DMR configuration, and when I get an ACC I would likely set it up in a more traditional battle rifle configuration.

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[TheChunkNorris]

As much as I want an MLOK SR25 ACC I would never sell my MWS to get one. That said, the MWS is currently set up in a DMR configuration, and when I get an ACC I would likely set it up in a more traditional battle rifle configuration.

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I see exactly what you're saying. The MWS is God awfully heavy and even though it's going on a diet, I can def see where the SR25 would fill that role for you.


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[Firefly]

Don't sell your MWS!

The barrel reconfigure feature ALONE makes it a keeper!
MWS might be heavy but it's a healthy heavy.
Just take time and save.

Still curious about the Proof barrel. I would think it would make it lighter. Nothing is perfect but it's interesting.

[Dozer]

I was able to check out the ACC at SHOT last week, it is definitely on the buy list.

[Drummer]

I change some minor things on the guns that I shoot personally, and I would prefer to extend those minor changes across the line. That said, there are always concerns about outside sources with regard to pricing stability, availability, delivery schedule, testing, work instruction changes, etc., that makes it more of an effort than most would think to change some simple things based on individual preference.

As far as CSASS goes, I cannot divulge information about an ongoing government program. I can only say that what I have right now I consider to be superior to the submission.

Dealers should be able to place orders for the released products presently, but I will have to confirm with my commercial guys.

Thanks for the response.

[PatrioticDisorder]

Some wrong stuff in that article.
NOT hammer forged barrel. 5r cut-rifled, as noted on the placard. It would be really odd to cut-rifle a hammer forged barrel.
No, it is not what was submitted for CSASS. While I cannot discuss an ongoing gov program, I can say that I prefer the current ACC and APC over what was submitted. In short, the program forced us to push weight into places we didn't want to, remove weight from places we wanted, and forced some dimensions that we didn't find optimal. What we have separate from the program is mostly what we want.

I don't know if the QDC/CQB can is the smallest and lightest combat rated suppressor on the market. It is the smallest and lightest 7.62 suppressor that we currently offer.

As far as the ITAR and photographs go (from the comments), our compliance folks err heavily on the side of caution, especially true beginning a few years ago, which prompted the ITAR warning signs. Back when a bunch of companies got hit for various seemingly silly reasons, we remained unaffected. We "prohibit" photography to limit non-customers from having easy access to detailed information with which to reproduce our products and to reduce the number of poor photographs of heavily handled products out in the wild. We provide a press-pack on request.

Not that I would dream of question the engineering coming out of KAC, but I'm a little curious why cut rifled over CHF? Would the CHF barrel not yield better durability?

[Mr. Goodtimes]

Not that I would dream of question the engineering coming out of KAC, but I'm a little curious why cut rifled over CHF? Would the CHF barrel not yield better durability?

KAC has done many cut rifled barrels in the past vs hammer forged.


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[Failure2Stop]

Not that I would dream of question the engineering coming out of KAC, but I'm a little curious why cut rifled over CHF? Would the CHF barrel not yield better durability?
Because we do everything on the 7.62 barrels in house, and we're not doing 7.62 CHF in house yet. We've got a good formula with what we have and we aren't going to change it until sufficient testing has been carried out and evaluated.

[PatrioticDisorder]

Because we do everything on the 7.62 barrels in house, and we're not doing 7.62 CHF in house yet. We've got a good formula with what we have and we aren't going to change it until sufficient testing has been carried out and evaluated.

Certainly makes sense, thank you for the explanation.

[Failure2Stop]

Certainly makes sense, thank you for the explanation.
Sorry if my reply seemed blunt, working from the mobile, poorly.

[TheChunkNorris]

Sorry if my reply seemed blunt, working from the mobile, poorly.

Did you use one of your Knight's barrel extensions or did Proof make one specifically for this project?

[PatrioticDisorder]

Sorry if my reply seemed blunt, working from the mobile, poorly.

You're a huge asset on M4C with your knowledge base, I genuinely appreciate anytime you take time out of your busy schedule to respond to a question. :cool:

[Failure2Stop]

Did you use one of your Knight's barrel extensions or did Proof make one specifically for this project?

Standard whatever Proof uses. Happened to work with one of our bolts, as the supplied bolt had an issue that precluded correct function.
I can't remember off the top of my head what the whole story was, would need to check my notes on it, so please don't feel slighted that I don't go into detail on it.

[M4Guru]

CHF does not mean quality

Cut rifled does not mean cheap

The single worst AR barrel I ever had was a CHF barrel from a mainstream commercial AR builder, the best barrel I ever had was a GI Colt M4 barrel...

I'm waaaayyy over my phase of dismissing guns that don't have CHF barrels. Overall, I think it is the best way to make barrels but so much more goes into making a barrel right that it is a small part of the equation.

[TheChunkNorris]

Standard whatever Proof uses. Happened to work with one of our bolts, as the supplied bolt had an issue that precluded correct function.
I can't remember off the top of my head what the whole story was, would need to check my notes on it, so please don't feel slighted that I don't go into detail on it.

Nope that answer is good enough for me and thank you.

[Firefly]

What did the Proof barrel group?
Was it noticeably lighter?

Or was it more "because why not?"

I'm just curious if a Proof AR 308 barrel is worth it beyond what has been presented.

I know it was referenced that it was "all right", but I'm curious still.

Thanks for any additional thoughts

[Failure2Stop]

What did the Proof barrel group?
Was it noticeably lighter?

Or was it more "because why not?"

I'm just curious if a Proof AR 308 barrel is worth it beyond what has been presented.

I know it was referenced that it was "all right", but I'm curious still.

Thanks for any additional thoughts

I didn't shoot the gun enough past function confirmation to objectively determine dispersion.
I have heard that the gun is shooting really well, but I have no data to confirm or refute.
As far as weight goes, it's so close in weight to our current medium profile that I would be hard pressed to go away from the factory offering.
Not to knock them at all, I think that what they are doing conceptually is great for a different application where the weight to barrel diameter difference is more noticeable.

[Firefly]

Thanks Jack.

[Jwknutson17]

After talking with Jack, I went ahead and ordered the APC M-lok today. Apparently they are ready to ship to dealers, so I'm hoping it will be in hand in a few weeks after it ends up at my FFL. Went with this APC over the ACC strictly based on my type of firing schedule, slight accuracy advantage, and availability. I have no doubt this rifle will do everything I need it to. Very excited.

[mcharb007]

That rifle looks awesome.

[Tejasmtb]

SR-25 ACC MLOK from SHOT this year.

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae18/tejasmtb_photo/7E259550-A9BF-475D-8CCF-C16CDCAAA056_zpssibm2gyl.jpg (http://s953.photobucket.com/user/tejasmtb_photo/media/7E259550-A9BF-475D-8CCF-C16CDCAAA056_zpssibm2gyl.jpg.html)

[jpmuscle]

Well, that's a britcher maker tighter for sure.

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