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BCM debuted their polymer KeyMod handguards and revised BCM Gunfighter stock with a cheek piece.
Some have stated the Keymod design could never be made in a polymer handguard, so BCM proved the statement incorrect by embedding steel inserts into the polymer handguard.
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Something new coming your way
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Eric K. and Paul B. Of BCM
wild_wild_wes
01-23-16, 13:32
SMGLee, does the picture of the gunfighter stock with cheekrest and polymer handguard in a darker tan color show a new color option, or is it just an artifact of the photography? It looks like HK/KAC "Taupe" and I like it!!
Looks like some great design work, can't wait to get those handguards!
titsonritz
01-23-16, 15:21
I am all over that handguard too when is available. I hope they put out the cheek pieces to retrofit the Mod 0.
Is that a new mod of the stock
That stock may be the ticket, and I am sure those polymer handguards will sell like hotcakes. SMGLee, why no pics of the BCM762?
Just Prince
01-23-16, 17:19
Anybody have an estimation on when the handguard will be available?
Will the new handguards work with a triangular handguard cap?
Some have stated the Keymod design could never be made in a polymer handguard, so BCM proved the statement incorrect by embedding steel inserts into the polymer handguard.
Not meant as a hijack just a clarification. Magpul has stated specifically, "Keymod's use of a conical nut makes it unsuitable for non metal mount surfaces such as MOE handguard applications." This is validated by BCM's decision to include metal in their polymer handguard as the supporting structure for the Keymod interface.
Again nothing against Keymod. If your are sold on keymod the inclusion of a metal support is the smart (albeit expensive) way to add it to a polymer handguard opposed to an all polymer construction.
BCM debuted their polymer KeyMod handguards and revised BCM Gunfighter stock with a cheek piece.
Some have stated the Keymod design could never be made in a polymer handguard, so BCM proved the statement incorrect by embedding steel inserts into the polymer handguard.
No offense, but I think its worth mentioning. I would say BCM confirmed metal must be used.
It is not fair to draw comparison to M-Lok products that need NO metal. The point of no metal is lowered production cost. BCM has managed to reinforce a plastic hand guard with metal. Unlike heat shields in standard hand guards, these are load bearing and their placement requires accuracy and strength. I'll be interested in price point, but I'm not sure the value will be there.
I understand BCM is protecting their investment in KeyMod by not offering Mlok, but as more and more big companies go M-Lok I hope BCM decides to offer a Mlok KMR, I didn't expect to see one this year. But I hope in the years to come BCM will diversify their product line with an Mlok rail.
WickedWillis
01-25-16, 11:20
BCM is going all out at Magpul now. Next up, magazines.
TexasAggie2005
01-25-16, 12:32
BCM is going all out at Magpul now. Next up, magazines.
We just need Magpul to start making quality AR's. The innovation war would be awesome.
I really like the change to the stock. The missing cheek rest is the reason I haven't bought the BCM stock yet. Now I have an excuse to buy one.
Mlok vs. Keymod - Well, I believe that sooner or later an Mlok KMR will have to be made. BCM could rely on selling a lot of them and their attachment (barrel nut) is one of the best, and may be the best. I'd hate to see BCM loose market share in a VHS vs. Betamax war. They can do both.
That stock may be the ticket, and I am sure those polymer handguards will sell like hotcakes. SMGLee, why no pics of the BCM762?
Is there one or are you just "hoping"
Is there one or are you just "hoping"
Just hoping, but I have faith they will.
I really like the change to the stock. The missing cheek rest is the reason I haven't bought the BCM stock yet. Now I have an excuse to buy one.
Mlok vs. Keymod - Well, I believe that sooner or later an Mlok KMR will have to be made. BCM could rely on selling a lot of them and their attachment (barrel nut) is one of the best, and may be the best. I'd hate to see BCM loose market share in a VHS vs. Betamax war. They can do both.
My guess is will happen when they start seeing a measurable decline in keymod kmr sales. If that happens. But only they'll know that obviously.
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Just hoping, but I have faith they will.
If they could make one no more than 7.5, ideally 7 pounds, I would be in.
BravoCompanyUSA
01-25-16, 20:15
Thank you for pics Chen!
The new stock shown is the Mod 0-SOPMOD to indicate the wider SOPMOD style cheek-weld, and yes the cheek piece is backwards compatible for those who own the Mod 0-slick/original. Stock is coming in spring in black, colors in summer, cheek piece separately probably in summer. Stock is still super light like the original design.
PKMR Handguards will work with triangle handguard cap for middy, round for carbine, and has a snap in adaptor to do the reverse. As far as costs, the PKMR will retail in mid to high $30 range. It is pretty narrow in diameter and ergos. Feels along the lines of a KMR with panels on when you grab it.
The PKMR metal molded insert placed into the mold when the handguards are molded. Same as any QD sling mount on stock, or most fastener mounted buttpads, etc. ETA on the PKMR is sometime in this spring.
As far as BCM going "all out at Magpul", nothing could be further from the truth. Magpul is a excellent company and we carry their products. BCM had some very different project designs, new product plans, and direction a few years ago before MLock came out. We had designs in the pipeline for multiple different types of handguards systems, multiple AR platform OEM enhancements, new upper group designs, complete M4 reinvented rifle, 21 century AK type new weapon system, some redesign striker fired pistol concepts, and even folding and auto knife design. We even have a 556 polymer mag that could resolve a lot of poly mag issues, but pushed the design out of the pipeline to pursue more “outside the box” parts of the industry. But once MLock was released I read a post right here on M4C where the poster said something to the effect of; “Magpul’s vertical grip is $20, BCM is $40 (KM)…I would choose MLock”. That was a good eye opener. I begrudgingly turned to the engineering team and said we now are forced to completely switch our direction, shift our resources (time and money) and build KeyMod products in those consumer budgets. We had to enter some products into the space that was traditionally filled and we expected to be filled by Magpul, otherwise the KeyMod option had would not be viable. So that was the birth of $18 KeyMod Vert Grips, $18 Hand Stops, certain simple light mounts, and the $35-ish PKMR, as a simpler option in KM. (even mass produce KM nuts at a wicked price for a good chunk of the industry)
As far as MLock itself we have never commented on it and have nothing against it or putting products in that space. Don’t directly have much info on it, as Bravo Company has never been approached or asked by Magpul to make anything MLock. There are plenty of “vs” threads for folks to argue the features and benefits of each system. We don’t have anything “invested” in KeyMod technology, we could machine key slots the same as rectangular slots. We are not married to the KeyMod technology itself, as we don’t own it. You own it. Everyone reading this post owns it. You own the KeyMod TDP. Vltor did that by design, so that as an open source technology, American design and innovation would be at max RPM and the industry and consumer would be better for it.
Thank you to everyone for their interest in the new BCM offerings!
Paul
Thank you for pics Chen!
The new stock shown is the Mod 0-SOPMOD to indicate the wider SOPMOD style cheek-weld, and yes the cheek piece is backwards compatible for those who own the Mod 0-slick/original. Stock is coming in spring in black, colors in summer, cheek piece separately probably in summer. Stock is still super light like the original design.
PKMR Handguards will work with triangle handguard cap for middy, round for carbine, and has a snap in adaptor to do the reverse. As far as costs, the PKMR will retail in mid to high $30 range. It is pretty narrow in diameter and ergos. Feels along the lines of a KMR with panels on when you grab it.
The PKMR metal molded insert placed into the mold when the handguards are molded. Same as any QD sling mount on stock, or most fastener mounted buttpads, etc. ETA on the PKMR is sometime in this spring.
As far as BCM going "all out at Magpul", nothing could be further from the truth. Magpul is a excellent company and we carry their products. BCM had some very different project designs, new product plans, and direction a few years ago before MLock came out. We had designs in the pipeline for multiple different types of handguards systems, multiple AR platform OEM enhancements, new upper group designs, complete M4 reinvented rifle, 21 century AK type new weapon system, some redesign striker fired pistol concepts, and even folding and auto knife design. We even have a 556 polymer mag that could resolve a lot of poly mag issues, but pushed the design out of the pipeline to pursue more “outside the box” parts of the industry. But once MLock was released I read a post right here on M4C where the poster said something to the effect of; “Magpul’s vertical grip is $20, BCM is $40 (KM)…I would choose MLock”. That was a good eye opener. I begrudgingly turned to the engineering team and said we now are forced to completely switch our direction, shift our resources (time and money) and build KeyMod products in those consumer budgets. We had to enter some products into the space that was traditionally filled and we expected to be filled by Magpul, otherwise the KeyMod option had would not be viable. So that was the birth of $18 KeyMod Vert Grips, $18 Hand Stops, certain simple light mounts, and the $35-ish PKMR, as a simpler option in KM. (even mass produce KM nuts at a wicked price for a good chunk of the industry)
As far as MLock itself we have never commented on it and have nothing against it or putting products in that space. Don’t directly have much info on it, as Bravo Company has never been approached or asked by Magpul to make anything MLock. There are plenty of “vs” threads for folks to argue the features and benefits of each system. We don’t have anything “invested” in KeyMod technology, we could machine key slots the same as rectangular slots. We are not married to the KeyMod technology itself, as we don’t own it. You own it. Everyone reading this post owns it. You own the KeyMod TDP. Vltor did that by design, so that as an open source technology, American design and innovation would be at max RPM and the industry and consumer would be better for it.
Thank you to everyone for their interest in the new BCM offerings!
Paul
Sooooo......is that a Yes or No on the BCM 308 AR?
:-)
Hey Bravo Company,
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The new products look good, and thank you SMGLee for the peak.
Thank you for pics Chen!
The new stock shown is the Mod 0-SOPMOD to indicate the wider SOPMOD style cheek-weld, and yes the cheek piece is backwards compatible for those who own the Mod 0-slick/original. Stock is coming in spring in black, colors in summer, cheek piece separately probably in summer. Stock is still super light like the original design.
PKMR Handguards will work with triangle handguard cap for middy, round for carbine, and has a snap in adaptor to do the reverse. As far as costs, the PKMR will retail in mid to high $30 range. It is pretty narrow in diameter and ergos. Feels along the lines of a KMR with panels on when you grab it.
The PKMR metal molded insert placed into the mold when the handguards are molded. Same as any QD sling mount on stock, or most fastener mounted buttpads, etc. ETA on the PKMR is sometime in this spring.
As far as BCM going "all out at Magpul", nothing could be further from the truth. Magpul is a excellent company and we carry their products. BCM had some very different project designs, new product plans, and direction a few years ago before MLock came out. We had designs in the pipeline for multiple different types of handguards systems, multiple AR platform OEM enhancements, new upper group designs, complete M4 reinvented rifle, 21 century AK type new weapon system, some redesign striker fired pistol concepts, and even folding and auto knife design. We even have a 556 polymer mag that could resolve a lot of poly mag issues, but pushed the design out of the pipeline to pursue more “outside the box” parts of the industry. But once MLock was released I read a post right here on M4C where the poster said something to the effect of; “Magpul’s vertical grip is $20, BCM is $40 (KM)…I would choose MLock”. That was a good eye opener. I begrudgingly turned to the engineering team and said we now are forced to completely switch our direction, shift our resources (time and money) and build KeyMod products in those consumer budgets. We had to enter some products into the space that was traditionally filled and we expected to be filled by Magpul, otherwise the KeyMod option had would not be viable. So that was the birth of $18 KeyMod Vert Grips, $18 Hand Stops, certain simple light mounts, and the $35-ish PKMR, as a simpler option in KM. (even mass produce KM nuts at a wicked price for a good chunk of the industry)
As far as MLock itself we have never commented on it and have nothing against it or putting products in that space. Don’t directly have much info on it, as Bravo Company has never been approached or asked by Magpul to make anything MLock. There are plenty of “vs” threads for folks to argue the features and benefits of each system. We don’t have anything “invested” in KeyMod technology, we could machine key slots the same as rectangular slots. We are not married to the KeyMod technology itself, as we don’t own it. You own it. Everyone reading this post owns it. You own the KeyMod TDP. Vltor did that by design, so that as an open source technology, American design and innovation would be at max RPM and the industry and consumer would be better for it.
Thank you to everyone for their interest in the new BCM offerings!
Paul
Thanks for the input, Paul!
And since you mentioned AK's, I'm finally going to make the request I've been hanging onto for quite some time.... Mod 3 AK grips, pretty please? :D
Moose-Knuckle
01-26-16, 02:38
A BCM 21st Century new AK type weapon system . . . I just got wood.
broberts001
01-26-16, 04:20
Hey Bravo Company,
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Ha ... that is what I though of as well :D
-Bryan
Man, BCM is an awesome company. That's all I have to say
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JBarbaresi
01-26-16, 08:00
Great pics. I'm looking forward to trying the new stock.
broberts001
01-26-16, 08:02
I am looking forward to the handguard. I bought a BCM 14.5 mid length recently (along with a 14.5 ELW KMR-A) just so I could buy this handguard :)
-Bryan
GUNSLINGER733
01-26-16, 09:14
Want stock nooooooooooow
A BCM 21st Century new AK type weapon system . . . I just got wood.
Yeah that's interesting.
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WickedWillis
01-26-16, 10:29
Yeah that's interesting.
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This completely got my attention. What a classy response by Paul BTW. I expect it from BCM, but it still takes me by pleasant surprise each time.
WickedWillis
01-26-16, 10:29
Double tap
A BCM 21st Century new AK type weapon system . . . I just got wood.
Yea that caught my attention as well.
Bravo Company do you have any extra info you can release on this?
BravoCompanyUSA
01-26-16, 12:16
A reduced angle BCM pistol grip was fully designed about 2 months after the first BCM Mod 0 grip in 2011. But no decision has been made to dabble in AK market.
Sorry but no current plans on an AR-308. :-(
Regarding all items on that list they are at various stages of conceptual development and exploration. So there is no info to release. These are various projects and directions we are exploring to see if we can offer a fresh take on things. Some of these ideas get tabled temporarily or permanently and some move forward to the next stage. But no info to release at all at this point.
Thank you again for all your interest.
I still would love your 1911... If I had known it would be available this long I actually would've saved up for it.
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A reduced angle BCM pistol grip was fully designed about 2 months after the first BCM Mod 0 grip in 2011. But no decision has been made to dabble in AK market.
Sorry but no current plans on an AR-308. :-(
Regarding all items on that list they are at various stages of conceptual development and exploration. So there is no info to release. These are various projects and directions we are exploring to see if we can offer a fresh take on things. Some of these ideas get tabled temporarily or permanently and some move forward to the next stage. But no info to release at all at this point.
Thank you again for all your interest.
Thats for responding. I will say I'm sure a lot of us would love to see you all make a quality ak and hit that market like you did with the AR one. The 308 market could be interesting as well.
The 308 market could be interesting as well.
I am positive that the BCM762 would own the 7.62 AR battle rifle market. The standard would be reset, and I could keep the bipod on my MWS. C'mon BCM, unbreak my heart.
I would love to see key mod quick attach rail sections along the style of the kenetic's quick attach rail section for mlok. Or a mlok Kmr pretty please.
Sorry but no current plans on an AR-308. :-(
Can you at least make a 16" Fluted ELW 308 barrel? SR25 pattern. For me? :cool:
SniperOverwatch
01-27-16, 11:04
Mmmm....a 7.62mm BCM AR? I might actually buy an off-the-shelf AR for the first time if that came out!
Provided it had hand guard options or a URX-type hybrid rail (not a huge KMR/Keymod fan) and was less than DD's new 308 offering.
WickedWillis
01-27-16, 11:06
Mmmm....a 7.62mm BCM AR? I might actually buy an off-the-shelf AR for the first time if that came out!
Provided it had hand guard options or a URX-type hybrid rail (not a huge KMR/Keymod fan) and was less than DD's new 308 offering.
This keeps getting beat over the head here, Paul already said they currently have no plans. Chill out guys.
SniperOverwatch
01-27-16, 11:12
This keeps getting beat over the head here, Paul already said they currently have no plans. Chill out guys.
Well, A. I'm on TOS mostly so am not familiar with everything that goes on here. B. I've read the entire thread and am aware that Paul responded. But he also said that a comment here prompted lower-priced accessories, so we can hope! :smile:
GUNSLINGER733
01-27-16, 11:13
Willis is just brown nosing hoping he'll get a discount
Who is Willis to tell anybody what they need to say or not say on a public forum. Pipe down.
WickedWillis
01-27-16, 11:21
Because every update off this feed was dudes pining for a .308. I get it. When BCM makes it, it's going to be awesome. Sorry I stubbed some virtual egos with my comment.
TexasAggie2005
01-27-16, 12:12
...Sorry but no current plans on an AR-308...
For those who missed it from this very thread.
Yeah, I guess that there is no need for excessive begging, but simply showing that there is interest shouldn't hurt anyone's feelings.
Quiet Riot
01-28-16, 18:06
Hey, even *I* tried to corner Paul at the BCM SHOT Show party last week to pressure him into finally making a large frame AR, but he pretended he was sick or something and hid somewhere. I even had Earl Pittman (IWC) as my wingman, and all we could manage was to get Eric Kincel to talk about cars.
That said, I think Paul would agree that Wilson Combat offers a really good option, though at a price point commensurate with its precision shooting capabilities. Wilson is even introducing a KeyMod version of its super rigid TRIM rail.
Hey, even *I* tried to corner Paul at the BCM SHOT Show party last week to pressure him into finally making a large frame AR, but he pretended he was sick or something and hid somewhere. I even had Earl Pittman (IWC) as my wingman, and all we could manage was to get Eric Kincel to talk about cars.
That said, I think Paul would agree that Wilson Combat offers a really good option, though at a price point commensurate with its precision shooting capabilities. Wilson is even introducing a KeyMod version of its super rigid TRIM rail.
Thanks for your effort.
GUNSLINGER733
02-01-16, 12:12
lol we can't help BCM is awesome :)
Nice Panerai, Paul. Now I really want to continue to give you my business. :) Can't wait for the new stock to hit the streets.
the_fallguy
02-15-16, 21:41
....But once MLock was released I read a post right here on M4C where the poster said something to the effect of; “Magpul’s vertical grip is $20, BCM is $40 (KM)…I would choose MLock”. That was a good eye opener. I begrudgingly turned to the engineering team and said we now are forced to completely switch our direction, shift our resources (time and money) and build KeyMod products in those consumer budgets. We had to enter some products into the space that was traditionally filled and we expected to be filled by Magpul, otherwise the KeyMod option had would not be viable. So that was the birth of $18 KeyMod Vert Grips, $18 Hand Stops, certain simple light mounts, and the $35-ish PKMR, as a simpler option in KM....
'Just wanted to let you know that your shift to more affordable products is working (at least it worked on me), and is much appreciated. I have already made the switch to the Mod 3 grips and the BCMGUNFIGHTER stocks on all of my carbines. Having used them now I wouldn't hesitate to buy your more expensive furniture (I was initially hesitant to try it out based on the price point). After seeing the pictures of the PKMR, I was psyched, and fully expected to pay upwards of $60 for it. Now that I know the price point is probably sub $40, I am even more exited for the release of the PKMR, especially with the advent of more affordable keymod accessories. Your efforts have earned my future business, and I wanted to make sure you know that at least for this consumer, your current MO is on point.
Justin drake
02-19-16, 00:25
When are the new gunfighter sopmod stocks going to be available?
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PKMR Handguards will work with triangle handguard cap for middy, round for carbine, and has a snap in adaptor to do the reverse. As far as costs, the PKMR will retail in mid to high $30 range. It is pretty narrow in diameter and ergos. Feels along the lines of a KMR with panels on when you grab it.
The PKMR metal molded insert placed into the mold when the handguards are molded. Same as any QD sling mount on stock, or most fastener mounted buttpads, etc. ETA on the PKMR is sometime in this spring.
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Thank you to everyone for their interest in the new BCM offerings!
Paul
Thanks for the info. I'm really hoping for a for a rifle-length PKMR. Is this a planned part that I just haven't read about or is it just not enough of a priority to discuss at this point? Thanks.
When are the new gunfighter sopmod stocks going to be available?
Yeah I can see one sitting on my rifle...
FlyingChipmunk
03-23-16, 15:41
We just need Magpul to start making quality AR's. The innovation war would be awesome.
I think that was called Masada... I'm still crying over the fact that Bushmaster bought the design.. Speaking of that, what happened to their 308 version?
WickedWillis
03-23-16, 16:46
I think that was called Masada... I'm still crying over the fact that Bushmaster bought the design.. Speaking of that, what happened to their 308 version?
The Masada was a different animal than an AR. The design never got fully fleshed out and became the Bushmaster ACR, which in turn became the Remington ACR and continued to disappoint because the conversion kits never came.
I still don't understand why they put rubber band on buttstock ?
Just Prince
04-16-16, 06:56
I still don't understand why they put rubber band on buttstock ?
The rubberband may be for sling management. I got the tip from a Larry Vickers video. I use a elastic hair tie to hold my folded sling inn place on my stock so it's not in the way when not in use and easily deployable.
I still don't understand why they put rubber band on buttstock ?
Keeps your sling excess stored neatly. More of a consideration when you're working in and out of vehicles a lot and don't want the sling snagging on something.
Keeps your sling excess stored neatly. More of a consideration when you're working in and out of vehicles a lot and don't want the sling snagging on something.
How does it work ?
I understand the price point to get lower cost items in more peoples hands. In my mind BCM only equals quality along with total respect no question!
Can someone post a link to the PKMR handguards?
Cant seem to find them.
Found the B5 version at AIM surplus . Are they the same ?
lazerblazer
04-26-16, 23:10
How does it work ?
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Hope this image helps!
Hoping for an update on the PKMR handguard release.
Any info I missed?
Hoping for an update on the PKMR handguard release.
Any info I missed?
Every single email I receive from BCM, I think "this is it".
sidewaysil80
07-11-16, 20:06
I'm desperately waiting on the Gunfighter SOPMOD Stock...any idea on a release? I'm assuming its been delayed as it was originally said to be available in the spring/summer of 2016...
Moose-Knuckle
01-29-17, 05:45
So Fall 2016 came and went . . .
SHOT Show 2017 came and went . . .
Now that retailers are gearing up for Spring 2017 any word on these "new" handguards and stocks????
sidewaysil80
01-29-17, 07:48
Did they even have a booth at SHOT this year?
Moose-Knuckle
01-30-17, 02:52
Did they even have a booth at SHOT this year?
I don't think they do SHOT, but usually the guys are there and or at least someone talks about their products on other manufacturers products like the Saint, the SA rep LAV interviewed about the Saint said the BCM PKMR that is on their rifles is proprietary to them. What ever that means?
I'm interested enough in the handguards that I actually emailed BCM and asked if they were going to remain exclusive to the Springfield Saint or would be available for purchase as a standalone item.
They were not at liberty to provide details but indicated they anticipated that the handguards would be available this winter.
My assumption is that the deal with Springfield changed the original fall 2016 projected release.
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