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Wanting to get just a simple chest rig to carry some ar mags and a pistol mag or two for classes. What would you guys recommend? I have zero knowledge about that kind of stuff.
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This may suit your needs.
http://www.highspeedgear.com/hsgi/double-decker-value-combo-98DTC0.html
Tactical Tailor MAV, one or two-piece, or Mini-MAV (http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=tactical+tailor+mav&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=91703837465&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17420981959591537799&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=t&ref=pd_sl_4t0va0njoo_e) . Some HSGI Taco pouches (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Taco+pouches) of your choice for pistol and rifle mags.
Nice and simple and you can add mag pouches of your choice to suit.
First thought would be to hit SKD and check their selection. They have an all molle chest rig that is modeled after the Eagle all molle, that they used to carry for some time, and one that I own, and it is a good rig for the money, ~$80. Grab a few pouches, and you are good to go. HSGI gear is good too, don't get me wrong, but you may be able to configure it more to your tastes that way.
Also, if you haven't read it, https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?155209-Chest-Rig-101-Introduction-to-the-Art-of-the-Chest-Rig Is a good chest right thread to offer some insight.
http://www.skdtac.com/PIG-UCR-Universal-Chest-Rig-p/pig.667.htm
Tactical Tailor MAV, one or two-piece, or Mini-MAV (http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=tactical+tailor+mav&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=91703837465&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17420981959591537799&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=t&ref=pd_sl_4t0va0njoo_e) . Some HSGI Taco pouches (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Taco+pouches) of your choice for pistol and rifle mags.
Nice and simple and you can add mag pouches of your choice to suit.
I recommend the above but with the x-harness and kywi pouches from Esstac.
I recommend the above but with the x-harness and kywi pouches from Esstac.
I have the Esstac pouches, but I had to cut away the elastic bands...they were holding the mags too tight. I also have the x-harness. Very comfortable, but a little harder to get into mounted on the one-piece MAV.
I have the Esstac pouches, but I had to cut away the elastic bands...they were holding the mags too tight. I also have the x-harness. Very comfortable, but a little harder to get into mounted on the one-piece MAV.
Elastic bands?
Elastic bands?
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/26fc5f_c618785f0c09446e9bcc4dbf734b11f3.jpg/v1/fill/w_840,h_980,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/26fc5f_c618785f0c09446e9bcc4dbf734b11f3.jpg
That is the pals webbing, not elastic bands..
http://www.skdtac.com/PIG-UCR-Universal-Chest-Rig-p/pig.667.htm
There is a black UCR in the EE.
That is the pals webbing, not elastic bands..
I beg your pardon, I misspoke. I don't have the Esstac pouches, they're Emdom IAP pouches.
http://www.emdomusa.com/v/vspfiles/photos/EU148-2T.jpg
This may suit your needs.
http://www.highspeedgear.com/hsgi/double-decker-value-combo-98DTC0.html
That would be a good choice. Everything you need and you can adjust it to fit your needs. HSGI also makes some of the best gear around.
I have a tag vanguard and I like it for the cost and quality.
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Ok, thanks for the suggestions. What should I look for in a chest rig? Other than rifle mags, maybe a pistol mag or two what else do you guys recommend to carry? This will probably just be kept under the back seat of my pickup.
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I beg your pardon, I misspoke. I don't have the Esstac pouches, they're Emdom IAP pouches.
Haha, you had me confused as hell.
Ok, thanks for the suggestions. What should I look for in a chest rig? Other than rifle mags, maybe a pistol mag or two what else do you guys recommend to carry? This will probably just be kept under the back seat of my pickup.
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Bare minimum setup - three to four rifle mags, two pistol mags (if not already edc'ing some), IFAK, and a joey or Nalgene bottle pouch for water; maybe a small GP pouch for odds/ends.
Endur I generally keep two pistol mags in my left front pocket. Only time I'm not carrying is when I'm somewhere I can't.
As far as the ifak any suggestions? I've read a couple threads in the first aid section and they said look at the dark angel stuff.
Since we are on the subject, would a basic first aid class be good to take? Any suggestions in that arena? So if God forbid I did have to use that stuff I'd like to have an idea on how to use it correctly.
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Endur I generally keep two pistol mags in my left front pocket. Only time I'm not carrying is when I'm somewhere I can't.
As far as the ifak any suggestions? I've read a couple threads in the first aid section and they said look at the dark angel stuff.
Since we are on the subject, would a basic first aid class be good to take? Any suggestions in that arena? So if God forbid I did have to use that stuff I'd like to have an idea on how to use it correctly.
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For pre-built kits and individual supplies there are a few options:
http://www.cleermedical.com/
https://darkangelmedical.com/product-category/kits/
https://store.itstactical.com/medical.html
http://www.optactical.com/bandages.html
https://www.tacmedsolutions.com/category/tac-med-kits/
https://www.narescue.com/index.htm
Or you can put together your own kit. I recommend for a basic IFAK: At least one pressure bandage like an Israeli or similar, at least two chest seals (cut up MRE bag works), a pack of sterile gauze, pack of sterile gloves, a CAT tourniquet, shears, one combat gauze pack, and a roll of medical tape; add as you like.
Definitely take a first aid class. If you can find one take a TC3 class (tactical combat casualty care). You can also pick up a few dvd's and books on it as well to round out your training.
Ok I'll look into the first aid class. Tc3 class where would you recommend to start my look, at a college or get a hold of a nurse and ask them?
Would I be smart to take a class before buying the ifak?
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Ok, thanks for the suggestions. What should I look for in a chest rig? Other than rifle mags, maybe a pistol mag or two what else do you guys recommend to carry? This will probably just be kept under the back seat of my pickup.
Just a chest rig? Will you be wearing anything on a belt too? I only keep 4 rifle mags on my chest rig along with a Brokos belt with two rifle mags and two pistol mags. I see the main point of the chest rig as being a place to store mags and feed them to the belt pouches. I also have dump pouch on the belt. I don't see a need for an "IFAK" or other such cool doodads and don't carry them on my person.
Ok I'll look into the first aid class. Tc3 class where would you recommend to start my look, at a college or get a hold of a nurse and ask them?
Would I be smart to take a class before buying the ifak?
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http://www.naemt.org/education/TCCC/tccc.aspx
I would wait. Stick with the stuff you know how to use for now.
Just a chest rig? Will you be wearing anything on a belt too? I only keep 4 rifle mags on my chest rig along with a Brokos belt with two rifle mags and two pistol mags. I see the main point of the chest rig as being a place to store mags and feed them to the belt pouches. I also have dump pouch on the belt. I don't see a need for an "IFAK" or other such cool doodads and don't carry them on my person.
There is always a need for an IFAK.
http://www.naemt.org/education/TCCC/tccc.aspx
I would wait. Stick with the stuff you know how to use for now.
Ok, will do. I'm guessing stuff like quick clot is self explanatory? I've put a few tourniquets on before, not sure if it was done right but I did stop the bleeding and it was a nicked artery, on a dog though. Have used lots of bandages, wraps, gauze stuff like that. Most of all my experience with any of it is on horses though.
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There is always a need for an IFAK.
I agree that sometimes, in some circumstances, carrying an IFAK on your person could be helpful if the person carrying it actually knows how to use its contents, which is uncommon. The poster above, for example, is looking to carry QuikClot, but isn't quite sure what it is.
More often In the majority of cases, for civilian shooters in most civilian circumstances today, an IFAK on your belt or chest rig is just a needless burden. It looks cool, though. Especially if you attach one of those velcro patches with your blood type.
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I agree that sometimes, in some circumstances, carrying an IFAK on your person could be helpful if the person carrying it actually knows how to use its contents, which is uncommon. The poster above, for example, is looking to carry QuikClot, but isn't quite sure what it is.
More often In the majority of cases, for civilian shooters in most civilian circumstances today, it's just a needless burden. It looks cool, though. Especially if you attach one of those velcro patches with your blood type.
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That's why I wanted to take a class to learn, sorry for asking and trying to learn something new. And I'm not carrying it on my person, just throw it with everything else under the seat of the pickup. And I sure as hell am not going to use something that I don't know how to.
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That's why I wanted to take a class to learn, sorry for asking and trying to learn something new. And I'm not carrying it on my person, just throw it with everything else under the seat of the pickup. And I sure as hell am not going to use something that I don't know how to.
Yeah. A first aid kit in the car is always a good idea if you are going to "try to learn something new" and get some training. You're far more likely to need it for a car accident than for some kind of firearms accident. And take a good first aid course before outfitting your IFAK, so you don't waste money and space on stuff you dont know how to use.
I have a first aid kit in my car. I even had to use it once. Several years ago. As for shooting, it's good to have one available but I don't envision a circumstance where carrying on my person is anything more than cumbersome and unnecessary.
Yeah. A first aid kit in the car is always a good idea if you are going to "try to learn something new" and get some training. You're far more likely to need it for a car accident than for some kind of firearms accident. And take a good first aid course before outfitting your IFAK, so you don't waste money and space on stuff you dont know how to use.
I have a first aid kit in my car. I even had to use it once. Several years ago. As for shooting, it's good to have one available but I don't envision a circumstance where carrying on my person is anything more than cumbersome and unnecessary.
Ok, we are on the same page then. It is mainly for the vehicle, and for my own knowledge. Couple winters ago we came across a really bad accident, everyone lived luckily but it was an eye opener and has been something I want to learn. We sat there for two hours in the snow, close to zero degrees waiting on the ambulance to get there. Luckily we always Cai l carry warm coats and spare blankets in the vehicle in winter time, the female was in bad shape and I sat there on the ground trying to keep her conscious. At that point I realized I needed to learn first aid.
But no this isn't so much as to go on a chest rig as just to have in case something like this happens again. But I want the knowledge first.
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BatteryOperated
01-31-16, 06:27
There is always a need for an IFAK.
Agreed, I am getting a mixed message from what I am comprehending in this post. On the one hand, it seems that posters are explaining that the purpose of carrying an IFAK on person, whether on a belt or chest rig, is for assisting others in the treatment of their wounds. Which it can be, but is not its intended purpose. The carrying of an IFAK is for your own benefit in case you yourself get injured. A responder will always use the IFAK on your person to treat your wounds. That is, if you have one available that is easily accessible without causing further injury.
Agreed, I am getting a mixed message from what I am comprehending in this post. On the one hand, it seems that posters are explaining that the purpose of carrying an IFAK on person, whether on a belt or chest rig, is for assisting others in the treatment of their wounds. Which it can be, but is not its intended purpose. The carrying of an IFAK is for your own benefit in case you yourself get injured. A responder will always use the IFAK on your person to treat your wounds. That is, if you have one available that is easily accessible without causing further injury.
I certainly agree with the concept in the military, or maybe even a law enforcement role, and I think accessibility of some kind of FAK for civilians is probably a good idea. Perhaps my life is different, but I see the need for civilians gearing up for such combat by loading themselves down with that stuff in a typical civilian scenario as being quite limited.
I've used a bunch of chest rigs, but keep coming back to this one: https://www.skdtac.com/Eagle-Chest-Rig-Universal-SKD-p/eag.567.htm
Four rifle mag pouches hold two each, or a pistol, taser, shotshell card, radio, etc. Four pistol mag pouches are stitiched on those, can also carry a multi-tool, flashlight, etc. A panel at each end can mount any other pouches needed (usually an IFAK for me). I use this as an occasional class rig and a go-rig for LE work. Simple, inexpensive, flexible, and wears comfortably.
On the IFAK stuff, this is a solid and recent thread... The Minimalist IFAK / Blow Out Kit - 3 Essentials
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?176596-The-Minimalist-IFAK-Blow-Out-Kit-3-Essentials
If you are building a chest rig for combat you better have an IFAK on your person. A couple hours on YouTube watching tourniquet videos, wound packing videos, compression bandage videos, chest seal videos, and a couple days at home practice will get you 90% of the way to competent in the IFAK's use. You need one of each item to open and practice with if you want to be competent. You should practice once a month, along with anyone who might need to use an IFAK on you.
Ok, will do. I'm guessing stuff like quick clot is self explanatory? I've put a few tourniquets on before, not sure if it was done right but I did stop the bleeding and it was a nicked artery, on a dog though. Have used lots of bandages, wraps, gauze stuff like that. Most of all my experience with any of it is on horses though.
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The only Quik Clot to buy is combat gauze... the rest is largely worthless. Pack wounds with it like any gauze and remember it only works where it is directly applied so fully packing the wound is needed to be effective on deep wounds. The mesh bags are largely junk IMO. You need a HUGE wound for that to work... Celox powder and normal gauze is a better idea than the stupid Quikclot bags.
That's why I wanted to take a class to learn, sorry for asking and trying to learn something new. And I'm not carrying it on my person, just throw it with everything else under the seat of the pickup. And I sure as hell am not going to use something that I don't know how to.
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Yes, do get some training with hemorrhage control. Yes, do invest in IFAK's, and keep one in your vehicle as well. No, don't waste time taking a Tactical Combat Casualty Care course right off the bat. It goes way deeper than you need to. Focus on basics! Everybody that owns firearms should possess, and know how to use an IFAK. Do not allow it to be a decoration on your gear. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
If you are building a chest rig for combat you better have an IFAK on your person. A couple hours on YouTube watching tourniquet videos, wound packing videos, compression bandage videos, chest seal videos, and a couple days at home practice will get you 90% of the way to competent in the IFAK's use. You need one of each item to open and practice with if you want to be competent. You should practice once a month, along with anyone who might need to use an IFAK on you.
Yeah, see, for my part, I'm not building a chest rig for combat. I'm building primarily it for the carbine courses I take every year as a convenience to minimize trips to the ammunition table. The possibility that I may be actually faced with the often-mentioned fantasy of "going into combat" in my neighborhood is so far from my sense of reality that I simply can't grasp it. I think it's worth having one in the car under some circumstances, but my level of paranoia simple doesn't extend to full-on battle rattle.
Yes, by all means...if some civilian is "going into combat" with his chest rig, war belt, plate carrier and MICH...he definitely ought to have an IFAK with tourniquet assuming that he actually knows how to use it...a rarity in my extensive experience. For the majority of us ordinary civilians, first aid kits complete with highly trained EMT's are just not that far away.
All of these cool combat medic skills people keep trying to acquire...they are as perishable as your firearms training. Be prepared to practice and keep up. An IFAK on your chest rig that you only check every year or two and never use is as useful as a gun that you never shoot.
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Please, tell us about your extensive experience, since standard of care in trauma is to keep every drop of blood possible inside the patient's vascular system. There are classes like NAEMT's B-CON, which teaches the medical portion of Care Under Fire to civilians.
The proper method for bleeding control since 2010 has been direct pressure (with, or without hemostatic gauze and pressure dressings) > Torniquet. Telling somebody they're wasting their time seeking equipment and training isn't just bad advice, it's neglegent. Good luck to you, and I hope you never have an accident, or more likely, catch a negligent discharge.
OP: Google "NAEMT", send them an email to find out where you can get a B-CON course. Its essential learning for teachers, hunters, and any people that want to learn massive bleeding control.
Please, tell us about your extensive experience, since standard of care in trauma is to keep every drop of blood possible inside the patient's vascular system. There are classes like NAEMT's B-CON, which teaches the medical portion of Care Under Fire to civilians.
I've been a board certified Trauma Surgeon for 35 years. I'm an ATLS and CALS instructor, EMT examiner for this state, Medical Director of this county's Sheriff Department for the TAC Team and Bomb Squad, and was Assistant Coroner for over 5 years.
Tell me about your experience.
I thought this thread was about chest rigs. You 2 guys need to take your dick-measuring contest elsewhere.
I thought this thread was about chest rigs. You 2 guys need to take your dick-measuring contest elsewhere.
The thread is about chest rigs and outfitting them, and the need for an IFAK as part of that outfit. You should leave moderation duties to moderators, just sit down, and skip over the posts that don't meet your high-level requirements.
I've been a board certified Trauma Surgeon for 35 years. I'm an ATLS and CALS instructor, EMT examiner for this state, Medical Director of this county's Sheriff Department for the TAC Team and Bomb Squad, and was Assistant Coroner for over 5 years.
Tell me about your experience.
oh, snap!
I'm not waving my CV around, giving bad advice based on anecdote rather than fact. Never seen a TS that doesn't stick to evidence based practice and standard of care.
I'm not waving my CV around, giving bad advice based on anecdote rather than fact. Never seen a TS that doesn't stick to evidence based practice and standard of care.
Why do you think this is about evidence and best medical practice? This is about the practical need for civilians in the neighborhood to be outfitting themselves with equipment that don't need and don't really quite know how to use. You asked about my experience that led me to that conclusion.
Voodoochild
02-02-16, 16:46
Shake em off fellas this contest is over. Only warning.
We've a greater problem than simple pecker-poker...
....particularly since direct pressure is not ">" tourniquet. You try to staunch a severed limb with direct pressure, on the basis that direct pressure is somehow "greater than" a Tk in that application.
The symbol > is a mathematical symbol most commonly used to mean "greater than" not "prior to" or "as a prerequisite to," and should arguably not be used in a common public setting without defining it FIRST.
I don't wanna read shit about who's giving bad gouge vs. whom, when one frames the argument in terms (in this case, symbols) practically guaranteed to directly promote misunderstanding by those reading it, particularly for no better reason than nabbing the brass ring of "Right on the Internet."
Get a Fighting Load Carrier off ebay. $15-20 delivered. Milspec made in USA by SDS. Available in UCP, DCU, Woodland or Coyote Brown. Pouches to match are cheap, too.
I have got a brand new fight light Tactical Tailer two peice mav with x-harness for sale..just saying. Haha
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?155209-Chest-Rig-101-Introduction-to-the-Art-of-the-Chest-Rig
ColtSeavers
02-09-16, 18:47
How serious are you trying to be with this gear?
I love my Condor Outdoor Chest Set (let the flames begin) minus the bib, but I just dork around doing fun runs/shoots in BLM wasteland, not year long deployments with it.
http://www.condoroutdoor.com/Condor-CS-008.aspx
http://www.condoroutdoor.com/images/products/display/CS_008F.jpg
http://www.condoroutdoor.com/images/products/detail/CS_008B.jpg
Bladder pocket on the back, 6 ar magazine pouches built in, plenty of molle/pals webbing to go from there.
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