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http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2016/01/30/facebook-announces-stricter-policy-on-firearms-sales.html
SAN FRANCISCO – Facebook says it's cracking down on online gun sales, announcing Friday a new policy barring private individuals from advertising or selling firearms on the world's largest social network.
The new policy applies also to Facebook's photo-sharing service Instagram. It comes after gun control groups have long complained that Facebook and other online sites are frequently used by unlicensed sellers and buyers not legally eligible to buy firearms.
Outlander Systems
01-30-16, 19:03
Their casino. Their rules.
scoutfsu99
01-30-16, 19:25
“Being denied service by Masterpiece Cakeshop was offensive and dehumanizing especially in the midst of arranging what should be a joyful family celebration (celebration of a Constitutional right),” said Mullins. “No one should fear being turned away from a public business (facebook) because of who they are (legal gun owners). We are grateful to have the support of our community and our state, and we hope that today’s decision will help ensure that no one else will experience this kind of discrimination again in Colorado.” Italics mine.
If only we were a gay couple looking for a wedding cake, then maybe we would sue...and win the discrimination suit.
One more reason not to fork around with social media.
Outlander Systems
01-30-16, 22:09
Rrrrrrroger that.
One more reason not to fork around with social media.
I'd sooner stick to Gunbroker.
But it's kinda unenforceable.
FB guy 1:"Hey I have something you may want."
FB guy 2: "Interesting. Text it to my cell"
More "taking a stand" BS.
I'm on two local gun selling/trading pages. I can't say that this makes me sad in the least. All the retards on those pages always ask astronomical prices for everything. Used Glocks are posted above msrp for new ones, no name ARs are 2 grand, and they always want to trade for something that is worth more than twice what their firearms is worth.
I would not be selling guns on Facebook anyway ? HEY WORLD I HAVE GUNS !!!!!
same thing about craigs list ?
then again would not sell other high expense items that way myself :)
as a pro photographer we have a couple facebook places to sell and guess if the gun folks had those private areas thats cool but at the same time cameras are not guns and I am more private about my weapons :)
sell em here or gun broker or if you know a brick and mortar that wont take to much % etc..
I'm gonna file this under "don't care."
Facebook and Instagram aren't the place to sell guns, thankfully there are literally dozens of places on the internet where you can sell guns. This is like getting upset that you can't sell guns on Ashely Madison.
Moose-Knuckle
01-31-16, 03:28
I have been wanting to unload some items and have been holding out for the great panic of '16 to commence. So over the last year I joined several FB groups with names like Your City Gun Traders, or Your County Gun Traders, etc.
Essentially a Craig-List'ish way of looking for something you want and or to trade/sell. Over the last week the groups began to change their names from Traders to Enthusiasts. Now they have all closed up and sent out messages explaining why.
Never used them but was looking at them as possible options to sell.
It never would have entered my mind to use Facebook to sell any of my firearms.
Doesn't Zuckerberg support almost all the gun grabbers, financially and otherwise? Why anyone allows themself to be made merchandise of by that crap, I have no idea. Might as well donate directly to the Bloomberg groups.
I'm on two local gun selling/trading pages. I can't say that this makes me sad in the least. All the retards on those pages always ask astronomical prices for everything. Used Glocks are posted above msrp for new ones, no name ARs are 2 grand, and they always want to trade for something that is worth more than twice what their firearms is worth.
A person that cannot legally purchase a gun will pay more than retail.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2016/01/30/facebook-announces-stricter-policy-on-firearms-sales.html
Never seen a single person attempt to sell a gun privately via FB or Instagram. It's a non issue and silly PR move on there end, up there with closing non existent gun show loopholes. Meh.
scoutfsu99
01-31-16, 10:51
Never seen a single person attempt to sell a gun privately via FB or Instagram. It's a non issue and silly PR move on there end, up there with closing non existent gun show loopholes. Meh.
Then you've either been hiding your head in the sand or your area is one of the more restrictive cities in the country.
And a person that cannot legally purchase a gun might pay more than retail...or they might steal it from your house, your car, etc. I'd also wager those types of people, by and large, don't have the money to waste on a $700 Glock or $2000 DPMS custom parts bull barrel tack driver with a UTG laser/scope and one of a kind braided paracord sling made by a 25 year old Navy SEAL Vietnam vet.
FB provided an easy to use way for like minded individuals to associate, talk, trade, sell, etc. Just like it provides people like Larry Vickers, Hickock45, Alias Training & Security (for names like Pat McNamara, Jeff Gonzalez, etc) the ability to promote. You may not use or like FB but it is hard to deny its popularity and usefulness.
Normally I'd file this under "Meh, their business, their rules." But I'm getting tired of things like this happening when the flip side of the coin is the right forcing their values on others (like the gay couple suing a private business for not making their cake). If their side can sue a business (and win) for that type of discrimination then it should be equally enforceable to stop a business from discriminating against me for being a gun owner. Why isn't the ACLU lining up behind us to prevent this discrimination I wonder?
Then you've either been hiding your head in the sand or your area is one of the more restrictive cities in the country.
I've never seen a gun for sale on FB either and I'm frankly surprised that it might occur. Perhaps you have a more broad-based presence on FB/Instagram than Will or I do. I find Facebook useful for a few things in my life, but buying or selling firearms isn't one I would have thought of and frankly wouldn't even entertain.
scoutfsu99
01-31-16, 11:17
I am rarely on FB and have an extremely small circle of friends...mostly family. I've never used Instagram. I was introduced to the local groups by my brother in law. I guarantee there are groups local to you. Just b/c you (generalized you) don't use it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Then you've either been hiding your head in the sand or your area is one of the more restrictive cities in the country.
With 5k "friends" and approx as many followers, a solid % of which are shooters, yet to see a single gun for sale via their FB pages as a private offered sale. Retail/commercial stuff, via FFL, yes. If that's me hiding head in sand, so be it. I'd venture to say I spend more time on FB than vast majority as it's part of my biz.
I'd venture to say private sales of guns via FB is quite rare, but I'm assuming there's no data and your perceptions - being you don't have your head in the sand as I do - is different on that score.
I've never seen a gun for sale on FB either and I'm frankly surprised that it might occur. Perhaps you have a more broad-based presence on FB/Instagram than Will or I do. I find Facebook useful for a few things in my life, but buying or selling firearms isn't one I would have thought of and frankly wouldn't even entertain.
Wouldn't even occur to me to buy via FB on a private sale unless it was a personal friend, and none of my personal friends ever likely to see FB as a vehicle for private gun sales, so moot issue.
FB has a lot of stupid policies, and this new one no surprise to me and more PR move than reality in my view. Per usual, the market will dictate the fate of FB, and if/when enough people decide they are tired of the various idiotic policies of FB, will move onto something else.
scoutfsu99
01-31-16, 11:25
Well damn Will, maybe my state - TN - and the neighboring groups in MS, just happens to have all these nefarious gun selling/trading groups that the Right is up in arms over. I'm not sure about the gun laws and culture in Boston or MA, so that may have an effect on your perception. Prior to name changes and closings, there were 6 local groups that I was aware of. Most of them had the aforementioned laughable prices and products but they were there.
Well damn Will, maybe my state - TN - and the neighboring groups in MS, just happens to have all these nefarious gun selling/trading groups that the Right is up in arms over. I'm not sure about the gun laws and culture in Boston or MA, so that may have an effect on your perception. Prior to name changes and closings, there were 6 local groups that I was aware of. Most of them had the aforementioned laughable prices and products but they were there.
(1) you realize FB "friends" comes from all over the globe right? I'm in FL currently, and travel regularly to various states and some countries.
(2) FB groups where local people discuss guns, buy, sell trade, etc is very different than individuals posting guns for sale. Like minded people in specific FB groups is quite different, and although I belong to a number of 2A/fire arms related FB pages/groups and yet to see a single gun for sale via private party on them, I concede their may be pages/groups where that takes place.
I had thought we were discussing individuals FB pages vs FB group pages with a specific theme.
scoutfsu99
01-31-16, 11:39
(2) FB groups where local people discuss guns, buy, sell trade, etc is very different than individuals posting guns for sale. I had thought we were discussing individuals FB pages vs FB group pages with a specific theme.
I must be slow b/c those are exactly the same thing. An individual posting guns for sale is different than an individual posting guns for sale in a specific group?
And we care about BookFace or instawhat why specifically?? Zuckerberg is a liberal deuche nozzle who takes YOUR information and makes money from it without giving you shit in return.
The fact of the matter that changes to his idiotic "business" should have absolutely no meaning to us because we shouldn't be associated with it. If you chose to ignore his political stance and keep doing "business" on BookFace why are you upset or surprised that he is choosing to **** your over some more.
I must be slow b/c those are exactly the same thing. An individual posting guns for sale is different than an individual posting guns for sale in a specific group?
Yes. Posting on your personal page (what I thought was being discussed) is not the same as posting to a local FB group page dedicated to the topic. The effect to the individual will be the same, which is the inability to sell personal firearms via FB. As I said, never seen a single gun offered for sale on a 2A/firearms related FB group page I belong to yet, but I concede it may happen some place on some group page I'm not aware of.
I dont participate on facebook but I m quite aware of FB gun trading groups or pages, seems I hear about it all over the place. I don't think youd be aware unkess you went looking for it, were part of it or were invited by a friend to be part. I dont know how much hijinx goes on with it, all I hear about are private transfer of longarms, which is legal in PA. For handguns both parties meet at a local gunshop that handles the transfer in accordance with regulations. A shop local to me does quite a bit of this and I believe they advertise on the local FB guntrader page that they do transfers.
As far as who uses it, in my microcosm it seems to be frequented mostly by those to whom saving money trumps most other considerations. Often they have no idea what they really want. Will also typically think nothing about bragging about said purchase on social media. .....Dirt bikes, chainsaws, flat screen tvs and pure bred puppies are often used units of currency.
Once again I'm glad I cancelled my Facebook account 4 years ago so I don't have to support that organization. Their site, their rules, but it doesn't mean I have to be a member or support them. Boycott and move on, or suffer though it. Either way, it's your choice.
scoutfsu99
01-31-16, 12:23
Yes. Posting on your personal page (what I thought was being discussed) is not the same as posting to a local FB group page dedicated to the topic. The effect to the individual will be the same, which is the inability to sell personal firearms via FB. As I said, never seen a single gun offered for sale on a 2A/firearms related FB group page I belong to yet, but I concede it may happen some place on some group page I'm not aware of.
And I thought we were talking about the groups which are the focal point of FB's new rule. Regardless if it's an individual or an individual posting to a group, you're right it does have the same effect. We're talking about semantics.
My point in posting was to vent about my ire at the idea that it is ok for a business to discriminate against us for this but not ok for another business to discriminate against ___SJW protected class___. And we're cool with it because "F##k BookFace" while we surf the internet on our Apple/Android phones.
And I thought we were talking about the groups which are the focal point of FB's new rule. Regardless if it's an individual or an individual posting to a group, you're right it does have the same effect. We're talking about semantics.
My point in posting was to vent about my ire at the idea that it is ok for a business to discriminate against us for this but not ok for another business to discriminate against ___SJW protected class___. And we're cool with it because "F##k BookFace" while we surf the internet on our Apple/Android phones.
Agreed, but at the end of the day, the only thing you can do is take your business elsewhere. When enough people do that, it gets a businesses attention. One can also go activist and start non FB web pages, etc with specific goals of avoiding/supporting business and other entities in line with your beliefs. I did a charity event for Wounded Warriors once, until I learned they were anti gun and not very efficient in their use of $ that gets to those in need. So if/when I do another charity, I'll send the $$ to some other group. As TAZ pointed out, this latest move form FB should surprise no one. FB knows they are the 800lb gorilla in that space, but I and others would drop them by the millions the second someone/something is able to rival them. Hence, they have developed no loyalty and that will come back to bite them in the arse at some point. Of that you can be sure.
And I thought we were talking about the groups which are the focal point of FB's new rule. Regardless if it's an individual or an individual posting to a group, you're right it does have the same effect. We're talking about semantics.
My point in posting was to vent about my ire at the idea that it is ok for a business to discriminate against us for this but not ok for another business to discriminate against ___SJW protected class___. And we're cool with it because "F##k BookFace" while we surf the internet on our Apple/Android phones.
I agree with you that it's ok to discriminate against gun owners, but God forbid I won't make a cake for a gay couple. I understand and get it. We lost our balls when it was outlawed that a man (or woman) wasn't free to have their own opinion, now matter how bigotted it is.
scoutfsu99
01-31-16, 13:54
Agreed, but at the end of the day, the only thing you can do is take your business elsewhere. When enough people do that, it gets a businesses attention. One can also go activist and start non FB web pages, etc with specific goals of avoiding/supporting business and other entities in line with your beliefs. I did a charity event for Wounded Warriors once, until I learned they were anti gun and not very efficient in their use of $ that gets to those in need. So if/when I do another charity, I'll send the $$ to some other group. As TAZ pointed out, this latest move form FB should surprise no one. FB knows they are the 800lb gorilla in that space, but I and others would drop them by the millions the second someone/something is able to rival them. Hence, they have developed no loyalty and that will come back to bite them in the arse at some point. Of that you can be sure.
Agreed!
I'm on two local gun selling/trading pages. I can't say that this makes me sad in the least. All the retards on those pages always ask astronomical prices for everything. Used Glocks are posted above msrp for new ones, no name ARs are 2 grand, and they always want to trade for something that is worth more than twice what their firearms is worth.
I agree. I stopped following them a few months ago. Your experience was mine too.
I'm on two local gun selling/trading pages. I can't say that this makes me sad in the least. All the retards on those pages always ask astronomical prices for everything. Used Glocks are posted above msrp for new ones, no name ARs are 2 grand, and they always want to trade for something that is worth more than twice what their firearms is worth.
Nothing but Fuddery around my local board, tons of things moving but when I list a thousand dollar pistol I either get "nice gun" or "wanna trade for a keystone cricket and a box of shells?"
Moose-Knuckle
02-01-16, 00:23
Doesn't Zuckerberg support almost all the gun grabbers, financially and otherwise? Why anyone allows themself to be made merchandise of by that crap, I have no idea. Might as well donate directly to the Bloomberg groups.
It will be interesting to see if the industry as a whole begins to boycott FB if they continue with their anti-gun rhetoric. I cannot think of a single firearms and or firearms accessory manufacturer, or firearm e-commerce site that doesn't use FB.
The industry has a history of doing just sort a thing, Barrett with any state that bans .50 BMG, Magpul relocated out of CO, etc.
It will be interesting to see if the industry as a whole begins to boycott FB if they continue with their anti-gun rhetoric. I cannot think of a single firearms and or firearms accessory manufacturer, or firearm e-commerce site that doesn't use FB.
The industry has a history of doing just sort a thing, Barrett with any state that bans .50 BMG, Magpul relocated out of CO, etc.
The flip side is let FB promote their product for FREE and then simply sell it elsewhere.
Moose-Knuckle
02-01-16, 02:20
The flip side is let FB promote their product for FREE and then simply sell it elsewhere.
It does create an interesting dilemma. Amazon and Ebay are examples of where this all may go. Zuckerburg one day could just say "thanks but no" to any and all gun related pages/groups.
I'm reminded of when the #BLM propaganda targeted Confederate battle flags after the shooting in SC. FB, Amazon, and others prohibited retailers from peddling their wares of traditionally 1st Amendment protected items such as flags. The same e-commerce sites that barred all things Confederate still permitted ISIS flags and banners to be sold.
Outlander Systems
02-01-16, 06:24
First there was AOL.
Then there was MySpace.
Facebook is just the flavor-of-the-week.
The successor to Facebook is, "me and my buddies played poker and drank beers last night".
It does create an interesting dilemma. Amazon and Ebay are examples of where this all may go. Zuckerburg one day could just say "thanks but no" to any and all gun related pages/groups.
I'm reminded of when the #BLM propaganda targeted Confederate battle flags after the shooting in SC. FB, Amazon, and others prohibited retailers from peddling their wares of traditionally 1st Amendment protected items such as flags. The same e-commerce sites that barred all things Confederate still permitted ISIS flags and banners to be sold.
Who cares what Amazon and ebay do. Get all your rebel flag stuff anywhere on the internet.
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Moose-Knuckle
02-01-16, 15:40
First there was AOL.
Then there was MySpace.
Facebook is just the flavor-of-the-week.
The successor to Facebook is, "me and my buddies played poker and drank beers last night".
No now it's Twitter, Snapchat, etc.
Moose-Knuckle
02-01-16, 15:41
Who cares what Amazon and ebay do. Get all your rebel flag stuff anywhere on the internet.
http://www.southernsistersdesigns.com/categories/Rebel-Flag-Swimsuits/
http://www.americanbikinishop.com/rebelflag.shtml
http://www.sammydress.com/Wholesale-Rebel-Flag-Bikini.html
Don't know if anyone cares, just pointing out the likelihood of FB doing a total ban on any thing firearm related.
Don't know if anyone cares, just pointing out the likelihood of FB doing a total ban on any thing firearm related.
I don't care.
Don't know if anyone cares, just pointing out the likelihood of FB doing a total ban on any thing firearm related.
I wouldn't care if they did, even if I happened to notice. Which is unlikely.
SilverBullet432
02-01-16, 20:01
Seen a jackass on FB selling a pistol AR with a PISTOL grip.. Lol trying to tell him of the felony he was committing was hilarious.
Not sure where you guys have been, but there are NUMEROUS gun groups and many allow private sales. I have made many sales there and not just firearms. All the groups I was in, also made it clear that transactions must be conducted lawfully.
I've never seen a gun for sale on FB either and I'm frankly surprised that it might occur. Perhaps you have a more broad-based presence on FB/Instagram than Will or I do. I find Facebook useful for a few things in my life, but buying or selling firearms isn't one I would have thought of and frankly wouldn't even entertain.
Not sure where you guys have been, but there are NUMEROUS gun groups and many allow private sales. I have made many sales there and not just firearms. All the groups I was in, also made it clear that transactions must be conducted lawfully.
I'm not saying, didn't say, that there weren't gun groups on Facebook. I'm saying that they aren't part of anything I do on Facebook. I don't see them, don't follow them, wasn't aware that they are there, nor do I care. Facebook is useful to me for a few reasons. Gun discussion, or buying/selling, them isn't one of them.
Moose-Knuckle
02-03-16, 03:29
Just a side thought, I can't help but notice M4C members who state they don't care about FB posting in threads about you guessed it FB. This is the second thread in so many days about FB where I have seen this. Not a personal attack against anyone but a mere observation.
I was an Admin on a Utah Based Facebook group that focused on firearm and related sales with over 8K members, yesterday they deleted the group and put my personal account on hold.
A group that I was a member of, that was NFA oriented, was shut down yesterday. No trace that it ever existed. And it did not allow sales.
titsonritz
02-03-16, 13:26
As if I needed another reason not to use them.
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