View Full Version : George HW Bush's 1989 EO
TacticalSledgehammer
02-06-16, 09:16
Guys, can we ever get this garbage executive order looked at by any of the 2016 canidates? A few of the front runners are boasting about unsigning obama's executive orders the moment they get in office, but I think none of them are aware of this executive order. If they are, they don't care. What do we need to do as a firearm community to rally behind this idea of getting rid of this EO?at my hope with this thread is bringing attention to this issue and I hope it catches traction.
Guys, can we ever get this garbage executive order looked at by any of the 2016 canidates? A few of the front runners are boasting about unsigning obama's executive orders the moment they get in office, but I think none of them are aware of this executive order. If they are, they don't care. What do we need to do as a firearm community to rally behind this idea of getting rid of this EO?at my hope with this thread is bringing attention to this issue and I hope it catches traction.
Well- Rand Paul would've deleted ALL past EO's across the board.
But that doesn't do us much good now.
Your best option is to send some emails and make some calls to the remaining candidates. They will surely ignore you though; unless you have a ton of money to give them in return.
TacticalSledgehammer
02-06-16, 09:27
I was sure hoping rand would have done better. The only two I see worth contacting are cruz and trump. Rubio is too establishment to go against a bush. I'm planning on volunteering when they both come to ohio, so I'll see if I get to meet any of the campaign officers or even the canidates themselves. Meanwhile I think I may post this original post on other forums.
None of the R candidates are going to undo a previous R president's E.O.'s.
They may undo some of Obama's but not those from a president from the same team.
Hmm....
I don't see it going away until we get a Constitutionalist in.
But really, how (aside from unenforceable 922r) does it affect you?
Current HK rifles can be had.
Tavors can be had.
There have been a lot of work arounds. Cheap chinese 1911s and M14s would be interesting, but I don't care to support China.
It'd be interesting to have Russian Dragunovs for sale but they'd still be expensive.
The only gun I'd really want would be a Swiss PE90, but that'd be just to have.
IMO the 89 ban has been rendered kinda moot as technology marched on. As a collector, the old school FAL was the gun to have. Now FN proper makes the SCAR which you can get today.
I also saw a SHOT vid of the Galil 762 which will take SR25 mags.
I agree, the EO is lame but all the guns worth having are pretty attainable. I mean, other countries are wanting ARs.
But still, 200 dollar series 70 Chinese knockaround 1911s wouldn't be bad but that is a Clinton ban...
Current HK rifles can be had.
Not really, HK discontinued the 90 series due to the ban. We can't import a true semi version of the G36 or UMP due to the ban.
Can't import an AUG, they are made domestically and no cold hammer forged barrels.
But more importantly, you don't waste time trying to undo the 89 import ban, you get rid of the sporter clause within the 68 GCA that is the basis for the ban.
TacticalSledgehammer
02-06-16, 14:08
I hate having a politician limiting what I can buy. China makes some of the best 7.62x39 ammo there is. While I hate buying goods from china, the only goods I don't mind buying are banned. They're probably the only goods from china with some quality to them. I miss the ammo, aks, sks rifles, and pistols.
From russia, I miss aks in standard form, sks rifles, and other semiautomatic rifles that we don't have the chance to buy. I wish I was old enough to buy guns in the 80s and 90s. Unfortunately I wasn't.
Not really, HK discontinued the 90 series due to the ban. We can't import a true semi version of the G36 or UMP due to the ban.
Can't import an AUG, they are made domestically and no cold hammer forged barrels.
But more importantly, you don't waste time trying to undo the 89 import ban, you get rid of the sporter clause within the 68 GCA that is the basis for the ban.
I will agree with tge arbitrary 'sporter clause' needing to go.
That said, while I shall defer to your HK knowledge; from what I was told the 90 series are legacy rifles not made anymore and HK would rather you have the 41x rifles.
Spent some trigger time albeit familiarization with the G36 and UMP (as we say here "Uh-mp") and didn't really like either one. Would sooner have an MP5 but HK has been wanting to retire that one too for a while. But had you the money you could get a 556 or 762. I think in Europe the only commercial(I hate the term civvie) 90 style rifle would actually be a clone.
I have one of the Sabre/Steyr AUGs and while it wasn't made in Austria it shoots, groups well, and does everything an Austrian AUG does. Takes all my AUG mags some even made in the 80s. It's really no different from a US made Glock 19. The bulket doesn't know.
Not trying to be contrarian, but a lot has changed since 89, it's still a bad EO, but a lot of what we enjoy now is unaffected and the exotic import scene has kinda died what with 14+ years of war proving nigh emphatically what works and what doesn't.
At this point it is collectors and nostalgiacs who suffer. What pisses me off is the Bush Jr Barrel ban.
I had a chance at a full tropic G3A3 kit and pissed around and didn't get it. It had barrel and all. Now...a tubular, rifled piece of metal is verboten because.....reasons.
I'm just trying to be positive
Not really, HK discontinued the 90 series due to the ban. We can't import a true semi version of the G36 or UMP due to the ban.
Can't import an AUG, they are made domestically and no cold hammer forged barrels.
But more importantly, you don't waste time trying to undo the 89 import ban, you get rid of the sporter clause within the 68 GCA that is the basis for the ban.
Actually the US AUG barrels have been cold hammer forged since VLTOR took over receiver production. FN USA makes the barrels for Steyr.
I will agree with tge arbitrary 'sporter clause' needing to go.
That said, while I shall defer to your HK knowledge; from what I was told the 90 series are legacy rifles not made anymore and HK would rather you have the 41x rifles.
Spent some trigger time albeit familiarization with the G36 and UMP (as we say here "Uh-mp") and didn't really like either one. Would sooner have an MP5 but HK has been wanting to retire that one too for a while. But had you the money you could get a 556 or 762. I think in Europe the only commercial(I hate the term civvie) 90 style rifle would actually be a clone.
I have one of the Sabre/Steyr AUGs and while it wasn't made in Austria it shoots, groups well, and does everything an Austrian AUG does. Takes all my AUG mags some even made in the 80s. It's really no different from a US made Glock 19. The bulket doesn't know.
Not trying to be contrarian, but a lot has changed since 89, it's still a bad EO, but a lot of what we enjoy now is unaffected and the exotic import scene has kinda died what with 14+ years of war proving nigh emphatically what works and what doesn't.
At this point it is collectors and nostalgiacs who suffer. What pisses me off is the Bush Jr Barrel ban.
I had a chance at a full tropic G3A3 kit and pissed around and didn't get it. It had barrel and all. Now...a tubular, rifled piece of metal is verboten because.....reasons.
I'm just trying to be positive
I thought that was Obama?
I thought that was Obama?
Nope. Been screwing over guys wanting parts kits since 2005. Very much at the height of the Bush administration.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
02-06-16, 21:19
Reagan: Anti Gun Legislation
Bush and Jr: Anti Gun Legislation
When will people see the R party is D Party lite?
Reagan: Anti Gun Legislation
Bush and Jr: Anti Gun Legislation
When will people see the R party is D Party lite?
Don't have to tell me. No governing body wants any kind of armed society.
I don't think I've ever truly voted FOR anyone.
While Reagan "compromised" he could've easily undone everything just as well to include defending the ATF (a revenue and taxation bureau).
The most damning thing was Department of Homeland Security and how much bullshit extra authority some of the lesser federal agencies were given.
ARMED IRS? A totally uncouth TSA?
Expanding the ATF?
I've long said they'll abolish the FBI and CIA before the ATF and IRS goes anywhere.
Hellfiring or poisoning or even shooting a man is nowhere near as agonizing as public humiliation, imprisonment, and depriving him his hearth and home and family assets.
I'd sooner Putin kill me with Radiation than Obama/Clinton/Sanders put me away to rot in Federal prison because they passed a new obscure tax I couldn't pay because it was too high and nobody told me I "owed" it.
Not sarcasm.
Don't have to tell me. No governing body wants any kind of armed society.
I don't think I've ever truly voted FOR anyone.
While Reagan "compromised" he could've easily undone everything just as well to include defending the ATF (a revenue and taxation bureau).
The most damning thing was Department of Homeland Security and how much bullshit extra authority some of the lesser federal agencies were given.
ARMED IRS? A totally uncouth TSA?
Expanding the ATF?
I've long said they'll abolish the FBI and CIA before the ATF and IRS goes anywhere.
Hellfiring or poisoning or even shooting a man is nowhere near as agonizing as public humiliation, imprisonment, and depriving him his hearth and home and family assets.
I'd sooner Putin kill me with Radiation than Obama/Clinton/Sanders put me away to rot in Federal prison because they passed a new obscure tax I couldn't pay because it was too high and nobody told me I "owed" it.
Not sarcasm.
This may very well be the best thing on the Internet. I'm stealing it.
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LowSpeed_HighDrag
02-06-16, 21:47
Don't have to tell me. No governing body wants any kind of armed society.
I don't think I've ever truly voted FOR anyone.
While Reagan "compromised" he could've easily undone everything just as well to include defending the ATF (a revenue and taxation bureau).
The most damning thing was Department of Homeland Security and how much bullshit extra authority some of the lesser federal agencies were given.
ARMED IRS? A totally uncouth TSA?
Expanding the ATF?
I've long said they'll abolish the FBI and CIA before the ATF and IRS goes anywhere.
Hellfiring or poisoning or even shooting a man is nowhere near as agonizing as public humiliation, imprisonment, and depriving him his hearth and home and family assets.
I'd sooner Putin kill me with Radiation than Obama/Clinton/Sanders put me away to rot in Federal prison because they passed a new obscure tax I couldn't pay because it was too high and nobody told me I "owed" it.
Not sarcasm.
I like you.
I like you.
No homo... Lolz
The man speaks truth the truth though.
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I will agree with tge arbitrary 'sporter clause' needing to go.
That said, while I shall defer to your HK knowledge; from what I was told the 90 series are legacy rifles not made anymore and HK would rather you have the 41x rifles.
Spent some trigger time albeit familiarization with the G36 and UMP (as we say here "Uh-mp") and didn't really like either one. Would sooner have an MP5 but HK has been wanting to retire that one too for a while. But had you the money you could get a 556 or 762. I think in Europe the only commercial(I hate the term civvie) 90 style rifle would actually be a clone.
I have one of the Sabre/Steyr AUGs and while it wasn't made in Austria it shoots, groups well, and does everything an Austrian AUG does. Takes all my AUG mags some even made in the 80s. It's really no different from a US made Glock 19. The bulket doesn't know.
Not trying to be contrarian, but a lot has changed since 89, it's still a bad EO, but a lot of what we enjoy now is unaffected and the exotic import scene has kinda died what with 14+ years of war proving nigh emphatically what works and what doesn't.
At this point it is collectors and nostalgiacs who suffer. What pisses me off is the Bush Jr Barrel ban.
I had a chance at a full tropic G3A3 kit and pissed around and didn't get it. It had barrel and all. Now...a tubular, rifled piece of metal is verboten because.....reasons.
I'm just trying to be positive
Now the 90 series are legacy rifles, but imagine prices if they were imported well into 1995.
And yeah, AUGs are being made domestically, and sounds like the new ones have better barrels, but it sure would be nice if we could just import them and not require manufacturers to source a manufacturer for 922r compliance.
The G36 isn't perfect, but I'd still love to own one. Thankfully I have a semi UMP that I got when Tactical Excellence was doing conversions. Still I pretty much paid the cost of two firearms to arrive at one.
I understand there are some great firearms coming in despite the 89 Import Ban, but I'd sure love to see a few more FNCs for example.
Reagan: Anti Gun Legislation
Bush and Jr: Anti Gun Legislation
When will people see the R party is D Party lite?
FOPA 86 was not anti gun. Again for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, this is what they were trying to pass.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?138963-H-R-3155-Racketeer-Weapons-and-Violent-Crime-Control-Act
If we got that instead of FOPA, we'd truly be screwed.
Reagan didn't have a line item veto, without FOPA we'd be truly screwed.
No other President since Reagan would have signed something like FOPA even if it did manage to get to his desk. I don't think anyone fully appreciates what it was like prior to FOPA.
The good news is, if we can somehow manage to get rid of the "sporter clause" of the 68 GCA, then that would pretty much invalidate every import ban, including the 1968 import ban on foreign machine guns, and would likely nullify the ban on domestic production for transfer as well.
The problem is that any time you attempt to have a sensible discussion about providing law abiding people with access to MORE firearms through importation or domestic production you get the morons chimpscreaming about how the streets will be rivers of blood if just one more gun somehow comes across our borders...
There is no logic with those people and sadly that means that without a Congress that simply doesn't GAF, the current crop of politicians won't support it. Another delightful fringe benefit of term limits. If these idiots didn't have to worry about ruining their reelection chances (currently over 90%, you just can't screw up and piss people off and you're golden) they might actually get things done. I know that goes both directions, but lets be honest, liberal districts aren't going to turn red no matter how much the democrat they've sent to DC pisses them off. If the checks keep coming to the FSA, the idiot in power will remain the idiot in power.
To be fair the Republicans don't really want you to have guns either.
We had a Republican supermajority 10 years ago. All three branches. The first AWB lapsed because nobody really tried to push it. Had it come up; it would've been renewed. A lot of stuff could've been done away with.
The "pro-gun" candidates go to shooting ranges or pose with a hunting rifle.
But when rubber hits the road they WILL toss you under the bus.
The 89 ban exists solely because of that dude in California who shot up a playground.
'Gotta make it look like I'm doing something'. Yeah it sure got him re-elected in 92. Not.
Plus that whole "legitimate monopoly of violence". Probably the most Maoist thing I ever heard.
To be fair the Republicans don't really want you to have guns either.
We had a Republican supermajority 10 years ago. All three branches. The first AWB lapsed because nobody really tried to push it. Had it come up; it would've been renewed. A lot of stuff could've been done away with.
I have no illusions about Republicans.
And in fact the Clinton ban WAS renewed in 2004. It was successfully amended to an industry protection bill introduced by Larry Craig. A Republican majority congress voted to reinstate it and Bush has previously stated he would sign it if it came to his desk.
The ONLY thing that saved us was a bathroom trolling Senator named Larry Craig who then killed his own bill rather than move it forward with the renewal amended to it. So everyone who owns a LE6920 owes it all to one guy, ironically a guy who many would shun because he is homosexual.
I have no illusions about Republicans.
And in fact the Clinton ban WAS renewed in 2004. It was successfully amended to an industry protection bill introduced by Larry Craig. A Republican majority congress voted to reinstate it and Bush has previously stated he would sign it if it came to his desk.
The ONLY thing that saved us was a bathroom trolling Senator named Larry Craig who then killed his own bill rather than move it forward with the renewal amended to it. So everyone who owns a LE6920 owes it all to one guy, ironically a guy who many would shun because he is homosexual.
I remember hearing about some politician getting disgraced for stall cruising. Kinda no-joke Alanis Morissette ironic it is.
I mean you could buy a Thompson by mail order in 1931.
"You don't need that".
Actually if you had some land and were far removed from the police, didn't have a car, etc then yeah....you kinda did. AR15s weren't invented yet and the Depression made people weird and home invadey.
In fact, most modern gun laws are steeped in Jim Crow which were borrowed from actual Nazis. That word, Nazi, has almost become banal. A knee jerk retort. A cliche.
But no...Jim Crow and Nazi gun control influenced a lot of BS gun laws. A socialist president didn't help much.
No government truly lends itself to liberty.
It's counter-intuitive.
No government truly lends itself to liberty.
It's counter-intuitive.
By its very nature a government, no matter how well designed, will always move to usurp the liberties of its citizens, if for no other reason than the benign belief that government knows best.
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