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I knew we had some A1s in the safe at work, but I was surprised to find this XM16E1 while going through it. From what I have seen, this is circa 1966 bit I don't know much else about it. Obviously it has been retrofitted with a UTG retractable stock kit and 16" M4 profile barrel. The rest is stock.
Note the full fence lower and no bass deflector. S/N 687XXX
Makes me wish that we could own these pieces of history.
The real shame is somebody trashed that A1 stock instead of sending it to me.
The real shame is somebody trashed that A1 stock instead of sending it to me.
I'm told that all the old A1 parts are somewhere in the basement. I'm going to look for them. There should be three sets.
glock21xxx
02-08-16, 16:32
I'm told that all the old A1 parts are somewhere in the basement. I'm going to look for them. There should be three sets.
I'd be interested in a set!
Renegade04
02-08-16, 17:12
The XM16E1 full-fence lower was really late production. Most all of the XM16E1s produced had partial-fence lowers. The M16A1 took over production in early 1967. This particular XM16E1 probably received the full-fence lower due to the lack of partial-fence lowers being available. 1966 was a transitional time for the Model 603. It also looks like it had a few re-arsenals done as well judging from the "2 77" and "1 90" markings. The indicates work (possibly retrofits) done in Feb. 1977 and Jan. 1990. The "ANAD" stands for the Anniston Army Depot.
It is a shame what was done to this rifle. I would be curious as to where the upper assembly and the stock assembly ended up. Original XM16E1 upper assemblies are at a premium these days. I would love to get my hands on an original. I have an XM16E1 clone I built last year with an original XM16E1 upper receiver and several original Colt parts, including the barrel.
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UTG…on this…shame.
Yes.
I'm told that all the old A1 parts are somewhere in the basement. I'm going to look for them. There should be three sets.
I'd be interested in a set!
The agency receiving these guns is required to retain the original parts for audit or return to spec configuration on demand. They are not available for disposition outside the LESO/1033/et al system.
Scotter260
02-08-16, 19:24
Yes.
The agency receiving these guns is required to retain the original parts for audit or return to spec configuration on demand. They are not available for disposition outside the LESO/1033/et al system.
First thing I was thinking.
Not as bad as some podunk chiefs here in MN who actually traded in the ENTIRE rifles to local dealers - old news so not scandalous - but WHOOPS. I'm a podunk chief so I can use the term...y'know how it goes.
They're making the auditing of these so ridiculous I'm contemplating just sending ours back due to them being more trouble than they're worth. Heck, I bought and installed the selector parts for our M14 and haven't even used it.
I'd be interested in a set!
As stated above, we unfortunately have to keep them. Shame, I'd love a set.
The XM16E1 full-fence lower was really late production. Most all of the XM16E1s produced had partial-fence lowers. The M16A1 took over production in early 1967. This particular XM16E1 probably received the full-fence lower due to the lack of partial-fence lowers being available. 1966 was a transitional time for the Model 603. It also looks like it had a few re-arsenals done as well judging from the "2 77" and "1 90" markings. The indicates work (possibly retrofits) done in Feb. 1977 and Jan. 1990. The "ANAD" stands for the Anniston Army Depot.
It is a shame what was done to this rifle. I would be curious as to where the upper assembly and the stock assembly ended up. Original XM16E1 upper assemblies are at a premium these days. I would love to get my hands on an original. I have an XM16E1 clone I built last year with an original XM16E1 upper receiver and several original Colt parts, including the barrel.
The upper and bolt are still the same, but the barrel was swapped. Thanks for the info though.
Out of curiosity, how did original parts for these rifles ever make it into circulation?
Parachute Pants
02-08-16, 21:46
I knew we had some A1s in the safe at work, but I was surprised to find this XM16E1 while going through it. From what I have seen, this is circa 1966 bit I don't know much else about it. Obviously it has been retrofitted with a UTG retractable stock kit and 16" M4 profile barrel. The rest is stock.
Note the full fence lower and no bass deflector. S/N 687XXX
Makes me wish that we could own these pieces of history.
Wow, that's in great cosmetic condition, almost no wear. Is it possible it was refinished?
First thing I was thinking.
Not as bad as some podunk chiefs here in MN who actually traded in the ENTIRE rifles to local dealers - old news so not scandalous - but WHOOPS. I'm a podunk chief so I can use the term...y'know how it goes.
Which jurisdiction(s) did this happen in?
Scotter260
02-08-16, 22:07
Not sure but I believe there was a freeze (2010ish maybe) on the program while an accounting was done. I'd found out about the freeze from one of our county's use-of-force deputies and he claimed it was due to unaccounted for weapons. Needless to say scrambled to get my info in. The freeze was eventually lifted so I can only assume they caught up with everything.
I can't say I have first-hand knowledge but know of one instance relayed to me by a dealer who has since retired so I have 1/2 of the story. He claimed a chief from the area tried to trade one of the A1s for a new semi-auto carbine. The dealer said,"I had to look in to that and found out it wasn't legal." - no shit, had to look into it huh?
Maybe it's local urban legend but I could see the less knowing amongst us trading off these "old junkers".
Parachute Pants
02-08-16, 22:13
Not sure but I believe there was a freeze (2010ish maybe) on the program while an accounting was done. I'd found out about the freeze from one of our county's use-of-force deputies and he claimed it was due to unaccounted for weapons. Needless to say scrambled to get my info in.
I can't say I have first-hand knowledge but know of one instance relayed to me by a dealer who has since retired so I have 1/2 of the story. He claimed a chief from the area tried to trade one of the A1s for a new semi-auto carbine. The dealer said,"I had to look in to that and found out it wasn't legal." - no shit, had to look into it huh?
Maybe it's local urban legend but I could see the less knowing amongst us trading off these "old junkers".
That's hilarious, actually. I bet that dealer thought it was a sting operation.
Wow, that's in great cosmetic condition, almost no wear. Is it possible it was refinished?
I'm not really sure how to tell that, but it is a blackish color. Our A1s are that old Colt gray.
http://fusion.net/story/6371/fusion-investigates-how-did-americas-police-departments-lose-loads-of-military-issued-weapons/
Here is a fairly recent story on missing 1033 weapons.
Scotter260
02-09-16, 08:27
I don't know this for certain either but I speculate that many items got "traded" between departments. We can also dispose of them by transferring to another department but a Form 10 (think that's the #) has to be completed and submitted. With NFA being such an unknown to most regular folks I could see chiefs or sheriffs not realizing the paperwork angle.
The term "permanent loan" may have also escaped some - "we can trade these old 1911s for flashy new ones" - not realizing the repercussions.
Again, speculation on my part but not outside the realm of possibility.
Renegade04
02-09-16, 17:28
As stated above, we unfortunately have to keep them. Shame, I'd love a set.
The upper and bolt are still the same, but the barrel was swapped. Thanks for the info though.
Out of curiosity, how did original parts for these rifles ever make it into circulation?
When they were de-militarized (lower receivers), the rest of the stuff generally got sold off in lots through the DRMO. This stuff has trickled into the market over the past few decades. Last year, Indiana Army Surplus in Bedford, IN started selling a lot of original M16 parts. The original owner had bought crates of these parts over the years and had stored them in his warehouse. Recently, he passed away and the family started going through the stuff in the warehouse. That is when they came across a gold mine of original M16 parts. These were parts from 602s, XM16E1s, and M16A1s. Unfortunately, they did not have hardly any barrels, but they had a slew of the upper receivers, BCGs, stocks, handguards, pistol grips, and small parts for the receivers.
When they were de-militarized (lower receivers), the rest of the stuff generally got sold off in lots through the DRMO. This stuff has trickled into the market over the past few decades. Last year, Indiana Army Surplus in Bedford, IN started selling a lot of original M16 parts. The original owner had bought crates of these parts over the years and had stored them in his warehouse. Recently, he passed away and the family started going through the stuff in the warehouse. That is when they came across a gold mine of original M16 parts. These were parts from 602s, XM16E1s, and M16A1s. Unfortunately, they did not have hardly any barrels, but they had a slew of the upper receivers, BCGs, stocks, handguards, pistol grips, and small parts for the receivers.
I have a feeling that modern day DRMO won't sell gun parts, unfortunately. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
ClassIIIGunsmith
02-10-16, 07:27
Hope you have all your paper work for that MG. Are you police? Reason for asking is you have a military rifle that they never released to the public but sold a bunch in the late 80's to police stations for pennies on the dollar.
Hope you have all your paper work for that MG. Are you police? Reason for asking is you have a military rifle that they never released to the public but sold a bunch in the late 80's to police stations for pennies on the dollar.
That's kind of what this whole conversation is about. And no, they weren't sold to police departments, they are loaned.
Renegade04
02-10-16, 09:30
I have a feeling that modern day DRMO won't sell gun parts, unfortunately. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
I think you are absolutely right.
ClassIIIGunsmith
02-10-16, 17:38
they weren't sold to police departments, they are loaned.
The county I live in was sold US surplus weapons. I know this because I have done work on half of there stuff. The county you work for and maybe the rest of the country was loaned them. Because some of my county m14's are form 4'ed to the police hq as a trust.
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