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Moose-Knuckle
02-12-16, 15:24
In case you needed another reason to CCW a quality handgun and ammunition . . .
FBI probes machete attack at Ohio restaurant, police say motive unclear
The FBI is investigating a machete attack Thursday night that turned a popular, Israeli-owned restaurant in Columbus, Ohio, into a bloodbath, but local police say there is no indication so far of a terror motive.
The attacker was identified as Mohammad Barry . . .
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/12/fbi-probes-machete-attack-at-ohio-restaurant-police-say-motive-unclear.html
911 calls detail horrific scene of machete attack at restaurant
The owner of the Nazareth Restaurant and Deli said he believes his business was targeted because of his Israeli descent.
“Obviously we were targeted because there’s a whole bunch of businesses around here,” said Hany Baransi, who is from Israel. “I’m the only foreigner.”
Baransi said his family is Israeli, Christian and Arab. "I am the minor, minor, minor of the minority. So nobody likes me."
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/02/12/Machete_attack_restaurant_owner.html
Yep. This is where we're at now.
Straight Shooter
02-12-16, 17:27
NOW NOW brother M-K...lets not cast aspersions on members of the Religion of Peace, here.
As I said in another thread, stereotypes exist for a reason, and was promptly told I was wrong for believing that, so I don't want you to be wrong, either.
As for having or needing reasons to carry..literally every time I go amongst the public, Im expecting some sort of shenanigans, every time.
I am fortunate to live where I do, but overall, stuff just seems to get worse & worse.
Foxnews in Cleveland also reported it was not terrorist related. They all tow the line.
Straight Shooter
02-12-16, 17:36
Foxnews in Cleveland also reported it was not terrorist related. They all tow the line.
EVERY F-IN ONE OF THEM DO, and that's why I don't watch ANY tv "news" at all, they sicken me & that includes & ESPECIALLY FOX.
Tried for years to tell people they aint your "friend" either.
Damn, that's in my backyard! I used to live in that part of town.......I have eaten at that restaurant.
A buncha guys screeching in Chechen or Arabic dressed in all black and killing kids in a school would get a "Don't jump to conclusions"
Life on Mars. It's like that song, Life on Mars
EVERY F-IN ONE OF THEM DO, and that's why I don't watch ANY tv "news" at all, they sicken me & that includes & ESPECIALLY FOX.
Tried for years to tell people they aint your "friend" either.
OT a bit.. Yes, Foxnews is really getting hard to stomach. Bret Baier as well as others has is it in for Cruz, just awful comments. No wonder Cruz avoids that network. They are no different than the other msm outlets.
Outlander Systems
02-12-16, 17:48
You're all a bunch of racists.
EVERY F-IN ONE OF THEM DO, and that's why I don't watch ANY tv "news" at all, ...
I haven't really watched the news since the 2012 election, and I am happier for it. I still find out pretty much everything that is going on through Facebook and other online sources, but without having the deal with those idiots.
Linebacker
02-12-16, 18:50
I haven't really watched the news since the 2012 election, and I am happier for it. I still find out pretty much everything that is going on through Facebook and other online sources, but without having the deal with those idiots.
Ditto.
Dist. Expert 26
02-12-16, 19:29
I saw on t.v. that the subject was of north African decent. So probably a Buddhist right?
At some point this PC, apologetic, islam loving BS is going to come to an end, and when it does the shift back to normalcy will be an outright shock at best or a complete mess at worst. But it will happen.
Careful Moose... (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2016/02/11/washington-muslim-prisoner-tries-to-behead-correction-officer-shouting-allahu-akbar/)
Muslim Prisoner Tries to Behead Correction Officer Shouting “Allahu Akbar”
A Clallam Bay Corrections Center officer who suffered serious head injuries last week continued to improve but remained hospitalized Monday.
Correctional Officer Terry Breedlove remained at Forks Community Hospital and will remain there until he can walk, according to his family.
“He’s going to be here longer, I think,” said Breedlove’s mother, Joanne Spaulding.
Breedlove suffered a brain injury during an attack Jan. 25 by inmate Abdinjib Ibraham, 28, of King County, investigators said.
An MRI was performed on Breedlove on Saturday. It showed injuries to two vertebrae, Spaulding said.
Breedlove can stand but experiences difficulty once standing, she said...
I saw on t.v. that the subject was of north African decent. So probably a Buddhist right?
Made me spit my beer!
Linebacker
02-12-16, 20:46
Mohammad Barry, 30 yrs old, Somalian background, and on the FBI watch list.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/machete-attack-nazareth-restaurant-columbus-ohio-stabbing/
Mohammad Barry, 30 yrs sold, Somalian background on the FBI watch list.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/machete-attack-nazareth-restaurant-columbus-ohio-stabbing/
But it had *nothing* to do with his religion. Or the fact the owners of Nazareth are Israelis.
I haven't really watched the news since the 2012 election, and I am happier for it. I still find out pretty much everything that is going on through Facebook and other online sources, but without having the deal with those idiots.
I get my news here and in FB. I listen to Internet sports radio too. When something big happens they mention it.
Moose-Knuckle
02-13-16, 00:59
Careful Moose... (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2016/02/11/washington-muslim-prisoner-tries-to-behead-correction-officer-shouting-allahu-akbar/)
Thanks brother. I got out of that game after twelve years this past summer and haven't looked back.
Moose-Knuckle
02-13-16, 01:12
As far as the "news" is concerned I don't watch any of it, even the local weather is nothing but damn lies. Radical leftists denounce anyone that utilizes terms like MSM (mainstream media) as fringe extremists and counter with accusatory statements of alternative news sources being nothing more than conspiracy crackpots and or hate outlets like "Stormfront". Sound familiar?
I heard a blurb on this machete attack via AM radio. Other than that it's internet sources via social media, M4C, etc.
Two girls were shot and killed in Glendale, AZ and it was all over the news, multiple people were injured to include dismembered body parts in the machete attack and all we get is crickets chirping . . .
Technically, this is "workplace violence". Violence, and it was in a workplace. Case closed.
Now let's move onto the real issues of how to be nicer to Muslims so they don't have to resort to violence to resolve their grievances.
By the way, if you disagree with anything I just said, you are a white supremacist racist Stormfronter Nazi.
Moose-Knuckle
02-13-16, 03:03
Technically, this is "workplace violence". Violence, and it was in a workplace. Case closed.
Now let's move onto the real issues of how to be nicer to Muslims so they don't have to resort to violence to resolve their grievances.
By the way, if you disagree with anything I just said, you are a white supremacist racist Stormfronter Nazi.
The irony being we're all are sympathetic to the Jewish business owner.
Of course there is a long history between National Socialism and Islamofascism. The Turks (Ottomans) have sided with the Germans TWICE during the last century of warfare but those who oppose these islamic terrorists are branded "Nazis". While everyone knows about Jewish persecution in Europe during WWII, few know about the Jewish persecution by Nazi allies in N. Africa and the Middle East during WWII.
Linebacker
02-13-16, 03:16
Technically, this is "workplace violence". Violence, and it was in a workplace. Case closed.
Now let's move onto the real issues of how to be nicer to Muslims so they don't have to resort to violence to resolve their grievances.
By the way, if you disagree with anything I just said, you are a white supremacist racist Stormfronter Nazi.
They can't use the workplace violence moniker in this case, although I am sure you were merely being sarcastic...
The irony being we're all are sympathetic to the Jewish business owner.
Of course there is a long history between National Socialism and Islamofascism. The Turks (Ottomans) have sided with the Germans TWICE during the last century of warfare but those who oppose these islamic terrorists are branded "Nazis". While everyone knows about Jewish persecution in Europe during WWII, few know about the Jewish persecution by Nazi allies in N. Africa and the Middle East during WWII.
You are forgetting that Jews count as white in this new fact-free, historically-revised reality that the Regressive Left has created.
Also, Hispanics can count as white (see George Zimmerman) if the situation calls for it to fit the narrative.
AnthonyCumia
02-13-16, 05:20
Was he an immigrant?
Linebacker
02-13-16, 06:07
Was he an immigrant?
"Balde said Barry was originally from Guinea." Balde is a former roommate...
...But local police say there is no indication so far of a terror motive.
The attacker was identified as Mohammad Barry . . .
Seriously newspeople? Maybe try a *little* harder? :rolleyes:
Kind of like the recent new years "festivities" in Germany[?] by all males of recent immigrant nationality, and no, no, there's absolutely no ties to the recent influx of hostile immigrants.
I often wonder if this is all a plot, or if these dickheads are just so wrapped up in their one-world utopian fantasy that they willfully refuse any fact to the contrary of that fantasy. I honestly wonder at times- that whole "never attribute malice to incompetence" thing...
EVERY F-IN ONE OF THEM DO, and that's why I don't watch ANY tv "news" at all, they sicken me & that includes & ESPECIALLY FOX.
Tried for years to tell people they aint your "friend" either.
Second that.
Someone once said (paraphrased) "if it's on your local news it's likely not important".
Recent years have proved that (with a few very minor exceptions).
Weather? Don't make me laugh. We should just switch to south america's weather- at least they have hot wimminz.
A buncha guys screeching in Chechen or Arabic dressed in all black and killing kids in a school would get a "Don't jump to conclusions"
Life on Mars. It's like that song, Life on Mars
A bunch of guys occupy an empty building, kill no-one despite being "heavily armed" (lulz), we get ZOMG DOMESTIC TERR'ISTS! KILL EM ALL! DRONE STRIKES NOW!
Not that I have a whole lot of sympathy for that shit-show, but the irony is deafening.
.46caliber
02-13-16, 15:01
They have zero problem with conjecture when it's a shooting story. Good little puppets.
Mohammad Barry, 30 yrs old, Somalian background, and on the FBI watch list.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/machete-attack-nazareth-restaurant-columbus-ohio-stabbing/
And apparently watch is all they did.
Thankfully he didn't have a gun, in which case we'd have seen fatalities.
"Thankfully he didn't have a gun, in which case we'd have seen fatalities."
You know that's the exact line all the gun control advocates use
Linebacker
02-14-16, 07:52
Thankfully he didn't have a gun, in which case we'd have seen fatalities.
If Ohio had more CWP holders, fine mid-western folks would not be maimed in the hospital, as we chat.
"Thankfully he didn't have a gun, in which case we'd have seen fatalities."
You know that's the exact line all the gun control advocates use
And correctly so.
If Ohio had more CWP holders, fine mid-western folks would not be maimed in the hospital, as we chat.
Perhaps but it's not a given, and other factors must be considered.
And correctly so.
Well, maybe we can just implement the whole nation wide gun confiscation program. Then we'd all be safe. Perhaps missing a limb or two, but hey at least no one would have a gun right?
Well, maybe we can just implement the whole nation wide gun confiscation program. Then we'd all be safe. Perhaps missing a limb or two, but hey at least no one would have a gun right?
I am strong supporter of the 2A, but I do not deny that there is a linear correlation between the household firearm ownership rate and the firearm fatality rate. More guns in society unequivocally mean more firearm fatalities. And I'll pre-emptively submit that mental illness is not to blame for over 96% of the gun violence.
I am strong supporter of the 2A, but I do not deny that there is a linear correlation between the household firearm ownership rate and the firearm fatality rate. More guns in society unequivocally mean more firearm fatalities. And I'll pre-emptively submit that mental illness is not to blame for over 96% of the gun violence.
So would you say you're in favor of Obama and Hillary's "common sense" gun control? Or maybe you prefer Michael Bloomberg's model?
Gun violence in America is epidemic, resulting in over 33,000 deaths and 81,000 non-fatal injuries annually, and costs society over $170 billion per year. Think of violence as a communicable disease, as a violence prevention strategy.
Mental illness is poor predictor of risk of violence. Factors associated with violence include being young, male, disadvantaged, and misusing alcohol and drugs.
If we want to have a meaningful effect on gun violence in America, we should consider implementing the following measures nationally:
1: Temporarily (for at least 5-10 years) prohibit the following individuals from possessing a firearm:
-Individuals convicted of violent misdemeanors
-Individuals convicted of 2 or more DUI(W)s in a 5-year period
-Individuals subjected to a temporary domestic violence restraining order
-Individuals convicted of two or more controlled substance misdemeanors in a 5-year period
2:Enact "dangerous persons" gun removal laws (gun violence restraining orders), but allow restoration of gun rights in a judicial proceeding based on evidence of risk.
3: Enact legislation temporarily (5-10 years) restricting firearm possession for individuals after a short-term involuntary hospitalization, predicated on a finding of the individual being a danger to self or others.
4: Enact UBCs, ensuring all individuals meeting the prohibitory criteria are included.
MountainRaven
02-14-16, 12:21
Uh, some 60% of firearms fatalities are suicides. The US doesn't have a suicide rate that's out of control or even especially unusual for a developed country. At the same time, our violent crime rate continues to fall.
So I'm not certain what gun violence epidemic you're referring to.
Uh, some 60% of firearms fatalities are suicides. The US doesn't have a suicide rate that's out of control or even especially unusual for a developed country. At the same time, our violent crime rate continues to fall.
So I'm not certain what gun violence epidemic you're referring to.
In the last 10 years, over 300,000 lives were claimed by gun violence, which is no small number.
America's violent crime rate admittedly remains slightly below average, but when looking at the homicide rate in the industrialized world, the United States' rate is several times higher than other industrialized countries. So what explains the paradox? The high prevalence and easy access to firearms. You're much more likely to kill somebody with a gun than a fist. This is readily available data, and the NRA is not your best source of reliable statistical data.
As to suicide, when a suicide attempt does not involve a firearm, the attempt is successful in only 5% of cases (95% survive). But when a firearm is used in a suicide attempt, the attempt is successful in 84% of cases.
If we can shift the means used in suicide attempts, without changing the prevalence of self-inflicted injuries or even the survival rate, we have a great public health opportunity to save a great number of lives. Many individuals that attempt suicide are young, impulsive people who are temporarily distressed, and if they survive their suicide attempt, most will never attempt a suicide again. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and it carries a great cost to public health in this country.
MountainRaven
02-14-16, 15:02
In the last 10 years, over 300,000 lives were claimed by gun violence, which is no small number.
America's violent crime rate admittedly remains slightly below average, but when looking at the homicide rate in the industrialized world, the United States' rate is several times higher than other industrialized countries. So what explains the paradox? The high prevalence and easy access to firearms. You're much more likely to kill somebody with a gun than a fist. This is readily available data, and the NRA is not your best source of reliable statistical data.
As to suicide, when a suicide attempt does not involve a firearm, the attempt is successful in only 5% of cases (95% survive). But when a firearm is used in a suicide attempt, the attempt is successful in 84% of cases.
If we can shift the means used in suicide attempts, without changing the prevalence of self-inflicted injuries or even the survival rate, we have a great public health opportunity to save a great number of lives. Many individuals that attempt suicide are young, impulsive people who are temporarily distressed, and if they survive their suicide attempt, most will never attempt a suicide again. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and it carries a great cost to public health in this country.
A- My source was Harvard.
B- Australia's suicide rate did not drop after they practically banned guns.
C- Our suicide rate is still much, much lower than, say, Japan's. Where guns have been effectively banned since they were invented.
7.62-
Did you cut and paste from the CDC website or everytown for gun safety? I think you might be on the wrong forum, or a bridge somewhere is short a troll.
A- My source was Harvard.
B- Australia's suicide rate did not drop after they practically banned guns.
C- Our suicide rate is still much, much lower than, say, Japan's. Where guns have been effectively banned since they were invented.
A. I suggest you look at multiple studies.
B. Australia's suicide rate decreased significantly according to several studies, including the Leigh/Neill study.
C. Yes, but that is immaterial if we have a clear opportunity to save American lives. Let's be exceptional!
7.62-
Did you cut and paste from the CDC website or everytown for gun safety? I think you might be on the wrong forum, or a bridge somewhere is short a troll.
My concern is with the well-being of my brothers, of whom you're one. Discussion of ideas should not be equated with endorsement of said ideas.
Got Prozac?
He's fukin wit y'all...
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Hence my reference to a troll on the loose
MountainRaven
02-14-16, 17:57
Trolls turn to stone when the sun rises.
The studies do not lie, and serious consideration should be given to their recommendations. Here's something for you gun owners:
Approximately 8.9% of adults in the US have impulsive angry behavior and access to guns. Approximately 1.4% of adults in the US have impulsive angry behavior and carry guns outside the home. These individuals meet criteria for psychopathology, such as fear, substance abuse, anxiety, personality disorders, but the vast majority in this group do not meet criteria for mental illness requiring involuntary commitment. These are individuals we do not want to possess guns, as they are responsible for a lot of the gun violence.
Interestingly, there is a correlation between the number of firearms owned and the likelihood that an individual will exhibit impulsive angry behavior. The study suggests that if you own six guns or more, you are several times more likely to be impulsive, angry, and carry a gun than those who own fewer guns.
As an aside, and without any firmdata, I submit to you that anecdotal evidence would suggest that ARFCOM may have more angry impulsive individuals than M4C. That said, there are plenty of individuals on M4C that - based on my interactions and observations -- in all likelihood are angry and impulsive, and should not have access to guns.
The studies do not lie, and serious consideration should be given to their recommendations. Here's something for you gun owners:
Approximately 8.9% of adults in the US have impulsive angry behavior and access to guns. Approximately 1.4% of adults in the US have impulsive angry behavior and carry guns outside the home. These individuals meet criteria for psychopathology, such as fear, substance abuse, anxiety, personality disorders, but the vast majority in this group do not meet criteria for mental illness requiring involuntary commitment. These are individuals we do not want to possess guns, as they are responsible for a lot of the gun violence.
Interestingly, there is a correlation between the number of firearms owned and the likelihood that an individual will exhibit impulsive angry behavior. The study suggests that if you own six guns or more, you are several times more likely to be impulsive, angry, and carry a gun than those who own fewer guns.
As an aside, and without any firmdata, I submit to you that anecdotal evidence would suggest that ARFCOM may have more angry impulsive individuals than M4C. That said, there are plenty of individuals on M4C that - based on my interactions and observations -- in all likelihood are angry and impulsive, and should not have access to guns.
Are you for real and do you partake in the same reality the rest of us do? You come across as one of the most angry folks on here, like sovereign citizenesque.
Moreover, and not to indirectly add any legitimacy to your "study" but it's illogical at best. If a person harbors such violence potential and are of such a impulsive nature to harm someone then yea, they do generally meet commitment requirements. It's pretty cut and dry. Psychopathology is mental illness FYI too if you weren't aware...
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The problem lies with the notions "gun violence" and industrialized nations.
If you use statistics, don't cherry pick info. Use all the data. The number of countries is not beyond a reasonable number to work with.
The problem lies with the notions "gun violence" and industrialized nations.
If you use statistics, don't cherry pick info. Use all the data. The number of countries is not beyond a reasonable number to work with.
There is no cherry-picking, but perhaps you wish we be more like the Dominican Republic.
Are you for real and do you partake in the same reality the rest of us do? You come across as one of the most angry folks on here, like sovereign citizenesque.
Moreover, and not to indirectly add any legitimacy to your "study" but it's illogical at best. If a person harbors such violence potential and are of such a impulsive nature to harm someone then yea, they do generally meet commitment requirements. It's pretty cut and dry. Psychopathology is mental illness FYI too if you weren't aware...
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I am serious. And I am not a sovereign citizen. The studies are not illogical, but you may not like the results. Perhaps you're part of the problem?
Interestingly, there is a correlation between the number of firearms owned and the likelihood that an individual will exhibit impulsive angry behavior. The study suggests that if you own six guns or more, you are several times more likely to be impulsive, angry, and carry a gun than those who own fewer guns.
I call BS, if this were the case, I would be a flipping homicidal maniac.
Regardless, to the point, has anyone ID'd this individuals ethnicity, or not, yet?
Dist. Expert 26
02-14-16, 22:26
This is why I stop looking at threads once 7.62 chimes in. We're now completely off topic debating the nonsensical BS he posts.
brushy bill
02-14-16, 22:43
This is why I stop looking at threads once 7.62 chimes in. We're now completely off topic debating the nonsensical BS he posts.
His account must have been hacked...nobody this antigun would post here...
Straight Shooter
02-14-16, 22:44
This is why I stop looking at threads once 7.62 chimes in. We're now completely off topic debating the nonsensical BS he posts.
AMEN.
Linebacker
02-14-16, 22:46
I call BS, if this were the case, I would be a flipping homicidal maniac.
Regardless, to the point, has anyone ID'd this individuals ethnicity, or not, yet?
Guinea.
MountainRaven
02-15-16, 00:20
The studies do not lie, and serious consideration should be given to their recommendations. Here's something for you gun owners:
Approximately 8.9% of adults in the US have impulsive angry behavior and access to guns. Approximately 1.4% of adults in the US have impulsive angry behavior and carry guns outside the home. These individuals meet criteria for psychopathology, such as fear, substance abuse, anxiety, personality disorders, but the vast majority in this group do not meet criteria for mental illness requiring involuntary commitment. These are individuals we do not want to possess guns, as they are responsible for a lot of the gun violence.
Interestingly, there is a correlation between the number of firearms owned and the likelihood that an individual will exhibit impulsive angry behavior. The study suggests that if you own six guns or more, you are several times more likely to be impulsive, angry, and carry a gun than those who own fewer guns.
As an aside, and without any firmdata, I submit to you that anecdotal evidence would suggest that ARFCOM may have more angry impulsive individuals than M4C. That said, there are plenty of individuals on M4C that - based on my interactions and observations -- in all likelihood are angry and impulsive, and should not have access to guns.
How does that fit with the considerations that - if memory serves me correctly - the average hunter owns seven guns. The average shooter/collector owns many more than that.
And, anecdotally, I generally have about a half-dozen guns. Most of the people I work with - who have guns - have two or three times more. Many of us carry, some of us carry everyday or as often as we reasonably can (between a "gun-free" workplace and a "gun-free" college campus). And yet the angriest guy there - who actually gets into borderline violent altercations before realizing what he's doing and de-escalating, who gets shouting match angry, cursing and swearing up-and-down, and generally probably the guy who should least own or carry guns (unless or until he can get his temper on lockdown - although I'm not sure there's much hope for that after 30)... doesn't have a permit, doesn't carry any of his guns, and only barely qualifies for owning "guns" - he owns exactly one more than the singular (or two, if that's too vague/subtle for you. He owns two guns).
I call BS, if this were the case, I would be a flipping homicidal maniac.
Regardless, to the point, has anyone ID'd this individuals ethnicity, or not, yet?
And SteyrAUG would have killed more people than plague.
There is no cherry-picking, but perhaps you wish we be more like the Dominican Republic.
What is your interpretation of the data?
Without further derailing the thread, for which I am eternally apologetic, I wish to supply to all doubters evidence of my previously made claims. The study presents some valid points that should be maturely discussed. I for one am disgusted at the gun violence perpetrated in America. If we're exceptional, we should go the extra mile and prove it.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bsl.2172/abstract?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+unavailable+on+Saturday+27th+February+from+09%3A00-14%3A00+GMT+%2F+04%3A00-09%3A00+EST+%2F+17%3A00-22%3A00+SGT+for+essential+maintenance.++Apologies+for+the+inconvenience.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150408090411.htm
Moose-Knuckle
02-19-16, 01:56
If a patron of that eatery had a CCW they could have plugged that 02 thief right there and then and a few people would still have their hands attached to their bodies.
Guns save lives and limbs.
This attack wasn't a gun problem, or a machete problem, it was a non US born member of the world's largest death cult problem.
If a patron of that eatery had a CCW they could have plugged that 02 thief right there and then and a few people would still have their hands attached to their bodies.
Guns save lives and limbs.
This attack wasn't a gun problem, or a machete problem, it was a non US born member of the world's largest death cult problem.
Guns take lives, and require the amputation of limbs.
Straight Shooter
02-19-16, 07:25
Guns take lives, and require the amputation of limbs.
Hey dude..you didn't learn anything recently, did you?
thebarracuda
02-19-16, 08:01
You are free to express your dislike of an armed populace as you wish. I care not about being exceptional in your eyes, I care about protecting myself and my family wherever that my be. Go ahead and mold your life around whatever study you wish. I doubt many of us on a forum such as this will ever change our beliefs about our freedoms. Especially when firearms are involved. This is M4C, not a coffee shop.
Without further derailing the thread, for which I am eternally apologetic, I wish to supply to all doubters evidence of my previously made claims. The study presents some valid points that should be maturely discussed. I for one am disgusted at the gun violence perpetrated in America. If we're exceptional, we should go the extra mile and prove it.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bsl.2172/abstract?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+unavailable+on+Saturday+27th+February+from+09%3A00-14%3A00+GMT+%2F+04%3A00-09%3A00+EST+%2F+17%3A00-22%3A00+SGT+for+essential+maintenance.++Apologies+for+the+inconvenience.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150408090411.htm
You are free to express your dislike of an armed populace as you wish. I care not about being exceptional in your eyes, I care about protecting myself and my family wherever that my be. Go ahead and mold your life around whatever study you wish. I doubt many of us on a forum such as this will ever change our beliefs about our freedoms. Especially when firearms are involved. This is M4C, not a coffee shop.
Surely you cannot rationally object to removing, or barring possession of, firearms from those at great risk of committing violent acts? If you care about your loved ones, you surely want to reduce gun violence in our society. Your freedoms originate from the social contract to which you implicitly agree when you live in our society.
At risk of bringing this thread back on topic...
http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2016/02/18/columbus-ohio-owner-of-nazareth-restaurant-moving-back-to-israel-future-of-eatery-in-doubt.html
It appears the owner of the restaurant is likely returning to Israel.
SomeOtherGuy
02-19-16, 10:34
You are free to express your dislike of an armed populace as you wish. I care not about being exceptional in your eyes, I care about protecting myself and my family wherever that my be. Go ahead and mold your life around whatever study you wish. I doubt many of us on a forum such as this will ever change our beliefs about our freedoms. Especially when firearms are involved. This is M4C, not a coffee shop.
Surely you cannot rationally object to removing, or barring possession of, firearms from those at great risk of committing violent acts? If you care about your loved ones, you surely want to reduce gun violence in our society. Your freedoms originate from the social contract to which you implicitly agree when you live in our society.
For at least a couple of weeks now, 7.62 NATO has adopted a hyper-sarcastic opposite speak approach. I think he's trying to make points opposite of his words, but it's usually confusing and often falls flat. And sometimes (like on the Oregon standoff thread) you just can't figure out what he means at all.
This is GD, but I find that approach tedious and uninteresting.
Surely you cannot rationally object to removing, or barring possession of, firearms from those at great risk of committing violent acts? If you care about your loved ones, you surely want to reduce gun violence in our society. Your freedoms originate from the social contract to which you implicitly agree when you live in our society.
At the macro level, the US population and gun sales have increased since the highs in violent crime we saw in the early 90's. If gun ownership in and of itself caused crime you would have seen a big increase in the total number of firearms deaths (more people + more guns = more gun deaths). Yet the total number of gun deaths has decreased since those highs and has been relatively flat over the last decade. From the data, gun ownership rates have an inverse relationship to the per capita rate of gun deaths.
Ignoring suicides for the moment, gun homicides are mostly concentrated in poor urban areas and are committed by people that obtained the weapon illegally and/or are prohibited from owning a gun. If you really, really wanted to cut down on gun homicides, you would prohibit sales and ownership to anyone below the poverty line (NOT something I advocate; just playing the absurd 'Modest Proposal' game that seems to be going on here). You think the BLM movement is nuts now, wait till you tell them they can't own guns anymore.
My buddy has an idea for a product called a 'CraCra' hat. It's a helmet that you put on a person that would flash a red light if they were crazy. He wants to use it on airline pilots, but it would be a great replacement for the 4473 form. If someone spikes red on the CraCra hat, no sale. Until we have that, I don't want some State functionary deciding which of my constitutional rights I get to use based on their assessment of my mental health (you want to buy an AK-47, but you already own 6 guns? you must be crazy! call the FBI!). The State has shown itself untrustworthy on so many occasions that yielding that authority to them is like a steer cutting in line at the slaughterhouse. No thanks.
As for suicides, good luck with that. People that want to die will find a way to die. Most suicide attempts are cries for help vs a serious attempt at dying, so it's not surprising that a lot of people who make weak attempts at it survive. Someone who really wants to die will figure it out whether they have guns or not. There are enough drugs, bridges, tall buildings, and poisons laying around that if someone doesn't have a gun, they can still make a successful attempt.
We live in a free society (well, sort of). I would rather live in a society with the freedoms I have now, where I have a fighting chance of dealing with a criminal problem, than a less free society like Europe where I am at the mercy of the criminal element.
And if you were really worried about peoples lives, you wouldn't even bother with guns. You would go after sugary, salty, and fatty foods. The crap we shovel into our faces kills way more of us than guns.
MountainRaven
02-19-16, 13:23
At risk of bringing this thread back on topic...
http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2016/02/18/columbus-ohio-owner-of-nazareth-restaurant-moving-back-to-israel-future-of-eatery-in-doubt.html
It appears the owner of the restaurant is likely returning to Israel.
Interestingly, there was a knife attack at an Israeli supermarket yesterday. Two Palestinian youths attacked and killed one Israeli off-duty soldier and wounded another Israeli. Both youths were shot by an Israeli who had been praying.
Moose-Knuckle
02-20-16, 02:59
Interestingly, there was a knife attack at an Israeli supermarket yesterday. Two Palestinian youths attacked and killed one Israeli off-duty soldier and wounded another Israeli. Both youths were shot by an Israeli who had been praying.
The Israelis "get it" . . .
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For at least a couple of weeks now, 7.62 NATO has adopted a hyper-sarcastic opposite speak approach. I think he's trying to make points opposite of his words, but it's usually confusing and often falls flat. And sometimes (like on the Oregon standoff thread) you just can't figure out what he means at all.
This is GD, but I find that approach tedious and uninteresting.
It's been like a g-damned alternate reality lately.
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