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MIDGAPATRIOT
02-13-16, 19:00
What are ya'll putting as the caliber on your Form 1? Will they accept 300 blk? Or should I put 7.62x35, or maybe just 300? What do ya'll think? This is a paper Form 1 and a trust. Thanks!
What are ya'll putting as the caliber on your Form 1? Will they accept 300 blk? Or should I put 7.62x35, or maybe just 300? What do ya'll think? This is a paper Form 1 and a trust. Thanks!
Doesn't really matter. You can just pick any caliber for the form. It has no bearing on future calibers, barrels, or uppers that you might want to use at some point down the road.
It actually does matter. I believe people had forms kicked back because of how the caliber was input.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/02/13/acefdeb3b8ea6648fb2d163eb945c895.jpg
From the sticky:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=147975
Just for clarification, some have listed 300BLK on paper forms and had them approved. EForms state 300 as being acceptable so that would be a safe bet on paper forms also.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=166398
It actually does matter. I believe people had forms kicked back because of how the caliber was input.
Yeah, I guess I was thinking about the actual caliber rather than how it would be written on the form. Interesting.
MIDGAPATRIOT
02-13-16, 19:55
It actually does matter. I believe people had forms kicked back because of how the caliber was input.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/02/13/acefdeb3b8ea6648fb2d163eb945c895.jpg
From the sticky:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=147975
Just for clarification, some have listed 300BLK on paper forms and had them approved. EForms state 300 as being acceptable so that would be a safe bet on paper forms also.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=166398
So 300 it is then. Thanks guys!
I used 7.62 on my Form 1.
I used 300 BLK on my eform 1 with no problem. I did have to "create" the entry, as the lowers were done on a variance and that caliber had not been previously listed.
Auto-X Fil
02-15-16, 13:44
I used 300 BLK on my eform 1 with no problem. I did have to "create" the entry, as the lowers were done on a variance and that caliber had not been previously listed.
You did it wrong. I'm surprised they didn't kick it back - lots of forms get returned for that.
Acceptable entries include:
7.62
.30
.308
That's right, a 300 RUM and 300BLK have the same entry for "caliber" on an NFA Form 1.
It actually does matter. I believe people had forms kicked back because of how the caliber was input.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/02/13/acefdeb3b8ea6648fb2d163eb945c895.jpg
Funny, I've done about 10 listing 5.56x45 or 7.62x39. All have been approved without issue. I put exactly what's on the receiver. 7.62 alone could be 7.62x39, 7.62x51, 7.62x54R, etc. In my opinion, they shouldn't even bother to ask if they're not going want the full cartridge.
jackblack73
02-15-16, 14:43
You did it wrong. I'm surprised they didn't kick it back - lots of forms get returned for that.
Acceptable entries include:
7.62
.30
.308
That's right, a 300 RUM and 300BLK have the same entry for "caliber" on an NFA Form 1.
That's not consistent with the image Ryno12 posted, which is from the sticky guide above. I just submitted a Form 1 a couple weeks ago and put 300. So I hope that's right.
Auto-X Fil
02-15-16, 14:49
Yeah, my list was not inclusive. .300 or 300 is fine as well.
Funny, I've done about 10 listing 5.56x45 or 7.62x39. All have been approved without issue. I put exactly what's on the receiver. 7.62 alone could be 7.62x39, 7.62x51, 7.62x54R, etc. In my opinion, they shouldn't even bother to ask if they're not going want the full cartridge.
I just grabbed that image from BigWaylon's sticky. I figured what's good for EForms should be good for the paper forms.
They are also asking for the caliber, not cartridge. Given the current wait time & ass ache involved with the whole process, I'd rather not roll the dice & just record the caliber just as the ATF requests.
Glad everything worked out in your favor but such is not the case for those that had them kicked back.
I just grabbed that image from BigWaylon's sticky. I figured what's good for EForms should be good for the paper forms.
They are also asking for the caliber, not cartridge. Given the current wait time & ass ache involved with the whole process, I'd rather not roll the dice & just record the caliber just as the ATF requests.
Glad everything worked out in your favor but such is not the case for those that had them kicked back.
Paper forms take pretty much anything. It's not that the other input is invalid for an EForm, it's that the system itself fails when it goes to process it. That's what creates the issues with the cartridges. My paper form says 300 Blackout.
Paper forms take pretty much anything. It's not that the other input is invalid for an EForm, it's that the system itself fails when it goes to process it. That's what creates the issues with the cartridges. My paper form says 300 Blackout.
Thanks for clarifying.
domestique
02-15-16, 17:04
All my electronic forms have been "300", my paper forms have been "300blk".
My receiver says "multi", and "multi" is an option when you e-file a Form 1.
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My receiver says "multi", and "multi" is an option when you e-file a Form 1.
...and will result in a Disapproval.
The dropdown menus are simply populated by prior submissions...and there add plenty of items in the dropdowns that will result in a Disapproved form.
You're filing to make a firearm, which is a one-time act, and that firearm will be a single caliber. The caliber you first intend to build is what goes in the system.
Source: eFormsNews - eForms 101 (https://www.atf.gov/file/11726/download)
Caliber Designation for NFA Forms 1 and 2
For purposes of NFA registration, a specific caliber must be designated on Form 1 or Form 2. The application will not be approved if the caliber is shown as ‘MULTI’ or if it contains more than one caliber designation, for example, 22/9/45.
The firearm may be marked with ‘MULTI,’ which is permissible under the Gun Control Act, but the NFA requirements are different so that we may confirm the firearm to be subject to the NFA.
In certain instances, NFA firearms may be used in different caliber (or barrel length) configurations. The additional configurations may be added to the registration file by use of an attachment listing to an eForm or by directing a letter containing the information to the NFA Branch (address on the form).
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