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DireStraits
02-23-16, 10:17
I've noticed LAV uses a 12 o'clock mount with the light mounted directly forward of the FSB. I can see the merits of this style mount and was wanting to try one.
Who makes this type of mount and what type of light would you recommend? What make/model light does LAV use?
Thanks.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160223/8747000ddcebc155ab5fde751f4e5988.jpg
Here is what I use but I think he uses a X300 just mounted on the top rail.
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WickedWillis
02-23-16, 10:52
I've noticed LAV uses a 12 o'clock mount with the light mounted directly forward of the FSB. I can see the merits of this style mount and was wanting to try one.
Who makes this type of mount and what type of light would you recommend? What make/model light does LAV use?
Thanks.
I don't believe LAV uses anything except the factory mount on his X300U, but that is the light he runs on his BCM carbine.
I'm using a Surefire X300 at 12:00 now. I really like the setup. Natural for both hands, the X300 is a great light with a good beam pattern, and keeps a slim profile on the gun.
I'll roll in a photo at some point, but if you've seen one X300/DD front sight combo, you've seen them all.
for a mount I use a scope ring, I do not see any advantage of using a 100$ light mount unless I was trying to keep up with the Jone's. I use an 750 lumen O'light, just as good as any Surefire light.
http://roschworks.com
I have a few of these lights now and like the set up better than the x300 at the 12 and it keeps the sight radius where you would normally have it. Its an integrated front sight and light all in one or a mount that you can slip a surefire 6P into.
I had an issue where I stripped out the mounting screw. I told them what I had done and they told me to send it in and they replaced it without missing a beat. Its a simple, effective light and front sight combo no cords/ pressure pads to work around and its easily used shooting from the right or left shoulder.
WickedWillis
02-23-16, 13:05
for a mount I use a scope ring, I do not see any advantage of using a 100$ light mount unless I was trying to keep up with the Jone's. I use an 750 lumen O'light, just as good as any Surefire light.
Just as good as any Surefire?
WickedWillis
02-23-16, 13:06
http://roschworks.com
I have a few of these lights now and like the set up better than the x300 at the 12 and it keeps the sight radius where you would normally have it. Its an integrated front sight and light all in one or a mount that you can slip a surefire 6P into.
I had an issue where I stripped out the mounting screw. I told them what I had done and they told me to send it in and they replaced it without missing a beat. Its a simple, effective light and front sight combo no cords/ pressure pads to work around and its easily used shooting from the right or left shoulder.
The Company is local to me. The light you've referenced has been reviewed very well here.
OP as people have pointed out these are either Surefire X200/X300/X400 or Streamlight TLR lights. They're pistol lights with integrated mounts that are turned upside down and put on the end of your rifle rail. They work great for the reasons already mentioned.
Mrgunsngear
02-24-16, 03:32
The Company is local to me. The light you've referenced has been reviewed very well here.
Indeed---really good machining and components
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=831Orr78sts
DireStraits
02-24-16, 09:57
Thanks guys, you've got me squared-away.
As-promised;
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1577/25259413975_93b376e765.jpg (https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1577/25259413975_4219b704f9_o.jpg)
ColdGOOSE1974
02-25-16, 15:55
As-promised;
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What type/brand of sling is that?
WickedWillis
02-25-16, 16:09
What type/brand of sling is that?
I'm not the OP but it appears to be a Blue force gear sling.
Close, but no cigar, Willis :)
What type/brand of sling is that?
It's a Magpul MS1, with Midwest Industries "heavy duty" QD swivels. They have flush buttons, which is important for mounting on the end plate. Collapsing the stock doesn't depress the button.
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I have the Rosch Works SLM1 with a SureFire Fury on my SBR.
http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/officerfrasher/9817CB9E-E4E0-4A3C-B458-777C891F317C_zpsr9itwqql.jpg
ColdGOOSE1974
02-25-16, 20:12
Close, but no cigar, Willis :)
It's a Magpul MS1, with Midwest Industries "heavy duty" QD swivels. They have flush buttons, which is important for mounting on the end plate. Collapsing the stock doesn't depress the button.
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Good to know!
Thanks for pointing out the Rosch mounts....I like that you can keep the sight radius maximized.
Just as good as any Surefire?
I think so, I have 3 surefire's and they are no better or worse.
Do any flip up front sights tend to be more at home/transition to the X300 smoother than others?
Another option that seems designed for a 12 o'clock mount is the Inforce WML. The slope of the switch makes it easy to operate around a front sight.
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2014-09-25-08-03-46_zps344a89e4.png
Another option that seems designed for a 12 o'clock mount is the Inforce WML. The slope of the switch makes it easy to operate around a front sight.
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2014-09-25-08-03-46_zps344a89e4.png
Works great with FSP rails, but as a heads up, it isn't particularly ideal if you're running it with a rail-mounted front sight, as you need some space between the front sight and the light for the thumb. At least I do... if I push the DD front sight all the way against my WML, I end up blocking the front sight with my thumb, just from the way I have to bend it.
The Rosch SLM1 mount is excellent, I used it with a 6PX tactical and loved the setup. The downside is the special tools required to adjust the front sight. I just stored them in the pistol grip to mitigate that. I eventually took it off the rifle when I switched from an Aimpoint to a 1-4 optic as I just didn't like it below the scope's reticle. I've kicked around the idea of selling it but I'll most likely keep it for a lightweight rifle build for my wife using an Aimpoint Micro with fixed BUIS. I'm cross dominant and shoot left handed, she shoots right. It's a elegant solution for a fully ambidextrous and light weight setup.
I an running a Inforce WML mounted at 12:00 with a Magpul MBUS behind it. My LE6920 with a Magpul SL is getting the same light mounted on the left side on a rail or one of their MLOK llight mounts.
Works great with FSP rails, but as a heads up, it isn't particularly ideal if you're running it with a rail-mounted front sight, as you need some space between the front sight and the light for the thumb. At least I do... if I push the DD front sight all the way against my WML, I end up blocking the front sight with my thumb, just from the way I have to bend it.
I have another rifle that way with the WML and another with the X300. I haven't noticed any issues but I'm using flip ups. I can't stand having my view occluded by an iron sight and only tolerate it on rifles where I have no choice (like the one pictured).
I have another rifle that way with the WML and another with the X300. I haven't noticed any issues but I'm using flip ups. I can't stand having my view occluded by an iron sight and only tolerate it on rifles where I have no choice (like the one pictured).
Gotcha. I prefer fixed sights, and running the WML ahead of the DD meant, for me, pushing the DD further back on the rail, just so I could hit the button without blocking sights. With flip-ups, it's clearly not an issue.
Diffrn't strokes, and all that.
I do like the WML a lot on FSP rails, though.
Gotcha. I prefer fixed sights, and running the WML ahead of the DD meant, for me, pushing the DD further back on the rail, just so I could hit the button without blocking sights. With flip-ups, it's clearly not an issue.
Diffrn't strokes, and all that.
I do like the WML a lot on FSP rails, though.
Don't know what length handguard you're using but I think Defoor did a blog piece a few years ago about where to put your irons. If I recall correctly there is a point of diminishing returns and moving the front back may not do any real harm if you need the light up front. My google-fu is weak today as I couldn't find the article.
Of course if you prefer fixed irons the Rosh may be the ticket. I've seen it with the WML behind it instead of a barrel light.
ETA: sometimes you just need to search closer to home. Lol!
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?131947-Kyle-Defoor-14-quot-sight-radius-optimal-for-irons
Don't know what length handguard you're using but I think Defoor did a blog piece a few years ago about where to put your irons. If I recall correctly there is a point of diminishing returns and moving the front back may not do any real harm if you need the light up front. My google-fu is weak today as I couldn't find the article.
Of course if you prefer fixed irons the Rosh may be the ticket. I've seen it with the WML behind it instead of a barrel light.
ETA: sometimes you just need to search closer to home. Lol!
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?131947-Kyle-Defoor-14-quot-sight-radius-optimal-for-irons
Interesting link, thanks! I imagine it has a lot to do with simply increasing the front sight size in the visual field, making it easier to determine if it's centered (even if unconsciously). Kind of like running precision sights on pistols, that allow very little light on either side of the front.
I've gotten pretty content with my current setup over the last few hundred rounds this month, it's the most natural-feeling arrangement I've tried, but using a WML through the Rosch is creative. I probably never would have thought to do that.
I love the art of light mounting lol.
(repost, I accidentally deleted the one I posted before)
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1444/25511979522_919654c79a.jpg (https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1444/25511979522_326cfff078_o.jpg)
Don't know what length handguard you're using but I think Defoor did a blog piece a few years ago about where to put your irons. If I recall correctly there is a point of diminishing returns and moving the front back may not do any real harm if you need the light up front. My google-fu is weak today as I couldn't find the article.
Of course if you prefer fixed irons the Rosh may be the ticket. I've seen it with the WML behind it instead of a barrel light.
ETA: sometimes you just need to search closer to home. Lol!
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?131947-Kyle-Defoor-14-quot-sight-radius-optimal-for-irons
I did that with my SBR, but more for the fact that I wanted a place to put my thumb instead of having more sight radius.
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