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Would you trust a 2015 or newer Gen 3 19 out of the box? If anyone has any experience with newer manufactured 19's or 17's, your input is appreciated.
PrivateCitizen
03-03-16, 22:48
Respectfully, trusting any self-defense tool "out of the box" when you have the opportunity to prove it seems like a bad recipe.
That said, yes, I would presently trust a new manufacture Glock (Gen 3 or 4) as much as any other pistol. None of the issues that exist, should it even present itself, will cost you more to fix than the rounds for a good at the range day plus fees.
I'm familiar with 3 separate examples of colleagues in the last year buying, vetting, and now running them (two 3's and a 4) for carry.
2 bits.
Respectfully, trusting any self-defense tool "out of the box" when you have the opportunity to prove it seem like a bad recipe.
Quoted for truth.
They'll be just as good as any other respectable self defense pistol available today. With plenty of range rounds and at least a couple boxes of your defensive ammo of choice, you can ensure nothing weird happened with yours.
That being said, I've picked up several NIB Glocks in the last few years, both Gen 3 and 4, without a single issue including brass-to-face. I've been dumping the 3s for 4s lately for personal preference, but I'd trust any new Glock (or Sig, or S&W, or etc.) after a normal proving run.
teutonicpolymer
03-04-16, 07:45
This sounds like "should I buy a Glock 19" and I'd say just go for it. Consider getting a gen 4 or one of the Lipseys-Vickers ones because the plain gen 3 frame is very slick (in a bad way) and the cheap solution is grip tape which is a little aggressive for IWB carry.
I've had no trouble with my recent glocks.
There are a number of threads on Glocks including some specifically asking "are they okay now?" Check them out, as some include data, serial numbers, and round counts.
To answer the question directly... One batch of 12 gen3 G19s, X-serials from early 2015, observed ~1500rds each. Some have more. No issues.
Buy one and shoot it.
sample of 1 and all. LAV gen 3 RTF2 glock 19 has functioned fine through 500 rnds out of the box. Not a very extensive test I know.
Would you trust a 2015 or newer Gen 3 19 out of the box? If anyone has any experience with newer manufactured 19's or 17's, your input is appreciated.
I'd trust it as much as anyone would trust a firearm from a reputable manufacturer. I'd still put about 400-500 rounds through it before carrying.
Primus Pilum
03-04-16, 11:03
Besides the VP9, the G19 & G17 are the two pistols I would have the highest confidence in out of the box.
I'd bet on if I was a bettin' man. But I'd put a box or two of carry ammo through it and see for sure.
Linebacker
03-04-16, 17:08
An odd question of arguably, the most reliable pistol ever produced. I just aquired the same gun two weeks ago and it passed with flying colors. Always push a cotton cloth through any new firearm barrel to check for excess lube.
Recently picked up a Gen 3 19 a few weeks back. So far, about the 500 rounds I've pumped through it, no issues. I will even go so far as to say this, it has probably one of the nicest stock triggers of a glock I've handled, and I've handled more than a few. In fact its trigger is better than my old "pre brass to the face" 17 that has some apex parts in it. Which I'd say is great except is kind of pisses me off. It ejects fine with decent ammo as well, crappy ammo the ejection wonders a bit, but I ain't eating brass with it so I consider it fine. My only bitch, and I am sure someone will tell me to harden the **** up, or something, but the point where the mold meets when they make the frame had enough flashing that it was honestly uncomfortable to shoot after a few mags. I mean in 50 rounds on the first outing it raised a blister on my middle finger. There was also a nice ridge inside the trigger guard. Some fine grit sandpaper and a few youtube videos later I polished it down to a nice silky beveled edgeless area that didn't bother me on the second outing of 250 rounds, but it is still something that annoys me in a new gun, more so since I have never seen it on any of the others I have owned or used.
So in short, changes are you'll be fine, but I'd still vet the pistol before trusting my ass to it.
Yesterday I fired round number 951-1000 through my Gen4 G19. Shooting conditions range from from dripping hot weather to literal subzero windchill. No problems yet. I'll try a Gen4 17 next. Apples to oranges, I know, but my sample of one.
Cap'n Crash
03-04-16, 22:29
I bought a Gen 3 19 last May. Serial AANP9**. 3 stovepipes in the first 850 rounds. Brass to face off and on until I installed a gen 4 ejector at 1500 rounds. No problems since. Current round total: 3,000.
Mysteryman
03-05-16, 00:50
Yesterday I fired round number 951-1000 through my Gen4 G19. Shooting conditions range from from dripping hot weather to literal subzero windchill. No problems yet. I'll try a Gen4 17 next. Apples to oranges, I know, but my sample of one.
You know windchill only affects living organisms like humans. Windchill has no effect on inanimate objects. ;)
Like others, I've had zero issues in the many Glocks I own/owned including a gen 3 G19.
MM
Not quite what you're asking about, although I would say it is a good indicator is a friend's brand new Gen3 G23. Has random stovepipe malfunctions with different ammunition and different magazines. I'm having a tough time figuring it out. So no, I wouldn't bet my life on a gun right out of the box. Ever.
turnburglar
03-05-16, 13:17
I'm at ~2500 rounds through a 2013 manufacture glock 19 yen 3. One stove pipe and BTF once every 100 rounds.
remington79
03-05-16, 16:25
I have a 2013 Gen4 G19 and it kicks brass all over the place. In every mag I get about 6 rounds land on my right forearm, about 3 to 5 rounds will eject to the left and without much force. The only rounds that go any distance or with force are the other rounds in the mag and those are to the face. I only hear solutions for Gen 3s that have this problem. I'm still trying to figure out what to do with mine but I only want to stick to factory parts. My wife's 2009 Gen3 G19 and around the same time frame G30 SF are all flawless with no issues. In all three cases the type of ammo doesn't matter they all still function the same.
Why do you prefer gen 3?
Not the OP, but I really like the Gen3 triggers. They're just flat out better than the 4s. My bone stock Gen3 34 puts my 4s to shame.
Why do you prefer gen 3?
I have carried a Gen 3 since 1999, tried a Gen 4 and never really warmed up to it. Thanks for all the responses, I purchase a Y** Serial # 19, 4/15 manufacture Friday, & ran a little over 200 rounds thru it with 0 malfunctions. 50 rounds of blazer brass 115gr, 50 rounds of WWB nato 124gr, & various HP's 115gr, 124gr, & 147gr. The only BTF's were in the first couple of mags of 115gr Blazer. I had been holding off on a new 19 because of all the negative reviews, but finally decided to give a new one a try. My EDC is a mid 2000's gen 3 19, & I wanted a backup for it, & was tired of trying to find a nice used pre 2009 pistol. I already had a 2005 G17, an M1 PPQ, & a VP9, but those 3 just don't carry as well as the 19 for me. The only thing I really don't like about the new 19 is the finish.
An odd question of arguably, the most reliable pistol ever produced.
I'd argue that a Beretta 92 and a P226 would handily take that title before a Glock 19.
Linebacker
03-06-16, 01:51
I have carried a Gen 3 since 1999, tried a Gen 4 and never really warmed up to it. Thanks for all the responses, I purchase a Y** Serial # 19, 4/15 manufacture Friday, & ran a little over 200 rounds thru it with 0 malfunctions. 50 rounds of blazer brass 115gr, 50 rounds of WWB nato 124gr, & various HP's 115gr, 124gr, & 147gr. The only BTF's were in the first couple of mags of 115gr Blazer. I had been holding off on a new 19 because of all the negative reviews, but finally decided to give a new one a try. My EDC is a mid 2000's gen 3 19, & I wanted a backup for it, & was tired of trying to find a nice used pre 2009 pistol. I already had a 2005 G17, an M1 PPQ, & a VP9, but those 3 just don't carry as well as the 19 for me. The only thing I really don't like about the new 19 is the finish.
What negative reviews? The 19 is the most successful pistol ever produced.
What negative reviews? The 19 is the most successful pistol ever produced.
No question about it being a great pistol, that's why I've carried one for the last 17 years. I was asking about current production guns. All of the BTF, FTE, & Stove Pipe problems people have been talking about for the last few years are not exactly positive reviews. Reading about all of the "fixes" for these problems, replacing ejectors & extractors, on brand new pistols, it doesn't make you want to hurry out & buy a new one.
Primus Pilum
03-06-16, 10:28
I'd argue that a Beretta 92 and a P226 would handily take that title before a Glock 19.
While both are great pistols. Both are more prone to failure and MRBF in most testing data I have seen. Sigs being worse than both he 92/M9 & G17/G19, especially US made ones.
Not the OP, but I really like the Gen3 triggers. They're just flat out better than the 4s. My bone stock Gen3 34 puts my 4s to shame.
34 (unless a police gun) should have the minus connector so it would be pretty surprising if it didn't have a better trigger.
I've got a Gen 4 17 with a lighter measured trigger than a Gen 3 22 I have (both owned since new, with similar round counts) as well as Gen 4 19s and a Gen 2 that's the other way around...all bone stock except sights of course. Feel is subjective - but I can't tell any difference between the pulls with a glove on to hide the grip texture. All shoot equally well, and the Gen 4 texture certainly is more of an advantage than whatever disadvantage the Gen 4 trigger allegedly has IMO.
I'd argue that a Beretta 92 and a P226 would handily take that title before a Glock 19.
I have to strongly disagree on this one. I would go with G17 in place of the 19 but I would put either of them over the Sig or Beretta.
Mysteryman
03-06-16, 20:53
I have to strongly disagree on this one. I would go with G17 in place of the 19 but I would put either of them over the Sig or Beretta.
Absolutely!
MM
whatthepuck
03-06-16, 22:03
300rds through a gen 4 g19 born in November of 2015...no issues yet. If all goes well through another couple hundred rds, it'll become a back up carry gun. have about 3000rds through my range-only g19, born in April 2014,with the only issues being crap ammo (freedom munitions and tula). About 2000rds through my carry g19 born in 2013, no problems at all.
I'd argue that a Beretta 92 and a P226 would handily take that title before a Glock 19.
Lest ye forget, I posit the HK USP over those sirrah...
Primus Pilum
03-07-16, 13:20
Lest ye forget, I posit the HK USP over those sirrah...
USP45 that is. The 9 and 40 variants have an exponentially higher failure rate than the 45 (which the design was based on). They are still great guns, but not on the level of the 45 variants. The USP45 is probably the most reliable handgun ever made.
P30 , P2K & VP9 are all at the top of the heap as well as far as I am concerned.
USP45 that is. The 9 and 40 variants have an exponentially higher failure rate than the 45 (which the design was based on). They are still great guns, but not on the level of the 45 variants. The USP45 is probably the most reliable handgun ever made.
P30 , P2K & VP9 are all at the top of the heap as well as far as I am concerned.
The USP platform was designed around the 40. The 45 was the last to be released.
2013 G17 stock, 1st 1000 rnds, 0 malfunctions, piles brass 1ft to the right. Lighter striker spring, and other trigger mods, light strikes, factory striker spring back to zero, round count N of 4000.
2015 G17 stock, 400 rnds no malfunctions, piles brass slightly further away. Trigger pull is very heavy, only gripe.
34 (unless a police gun) should have the minus connector so it would be pretty surprising if it didn't have a better trigger.
I've got a Gen 4 17 with a lighter measured trigger than a Gen 3 22 I have (both owned since new, with similar round counts) as well as Gen 4 19s and a Gen 2 that's the other way around...all bone stock except sights of course. Feel is subjective - but I can't tell any difference between the pulls with a glove on to hide the grip texture. All shoot equally well, and the Gen 4 texture certainly is more of an advantage than whatever disadvantage the Gen 4 trigger allegedly has IMO.
A Gen4 with the minus connector is the worst feeling trigger stock trigger I've ever felt. It may break a little lighter, but it breaks sooner, with the difference made up in over-travel. Gen4s have the same trigger travel as the Gen3s, they just break sooner and have more over-travel.
I'm a Gen4 convert going back a few years, but the longer I spend with 'em, the more I think the Gen3 is the better design and better gun altogether.
There's a lot more documented testing on the M9 and P226 than Glocks. The M9 and P226 are stupid reliable unless you let the gov't get involved.
A Gen4 with the minus connector is the worst feeling trigger stock trigger I've ever felt. It may break a little lighter, but it breaks sooner, with the difference made up in over-travel. Gen4s have the same trigger travel as the Gen3s, they just break sooner and have more over-travel.
I'm a Gen4 convert going back a few years, but the longer I spend with 'em, the more I think the Gen3 is the better design and better gun altogether.
There's a lot more documented testing on the M9 and P226 than Glocks. The M9 and P226 are stupid reliable unless you let the gov't get involved.
Have you tried the minus connector with the gen 3 trigger bar? Made a huge difference for me.
Not the OP, but I really like the Gen3 triggers. They're just flat out better than the 4s. My bone stock Gen3 34 puts my 4s to shame.
so change triggers
If I didn't have a choice I guess I would. However, I never make it a practice of not test firing a weapon I intend to carry. That said, I've bought 10 Glocks in the past year and haven't had a single issue with any of them.
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