If Trump wins the Republican nomination...

[Singlestack Wonder]

If Trump wins the Republican nomination, what will those who adamantly opposed him do?

[Mauser KAR98K]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7e6gLht6OQ

[Linebacker]

Hopefully, they will move to another country.

[jmp45]

Wow, a must see..

[_Stormin_]

They'll fall all over themselves telling you about how the Democrats then are simply the Republicans now...

I'm sorry, but anyone clicking "Vote for Hillary" above needs to rethink their entire life up to this moment. You're on a firearms enthusiast board, specifically centered around semi automatic rifles.

That said, a vote for a write in candidate is a vote for the Democrats as well. Perot royally eff'd this country TWICE in four years. If people didn't learn then, there is no hope for them. Personally, I don't love Trump, I'd rather see Cruz get the nomination every day of the week and twice on Sunday, but I have no illusions about what this country will become should we have to endure another four years of a Clinton White House. People think Obama took the Executive Orders a bit far... Hillary will personally feed the constitution into the shredder as quickly as she can. We (the firearms community) will be her first target, and with a friendly Supreme Court, there will be almost no chance at stopping her.

[austinN4]

Could have been taken the wrong way.

[BoringGuy45]

I'll reluctantly vote for him. I don't think he's as horrible and extremist as people are making him out to be. He's just playing to people's pissed off attitude at political correctness and the left being only being tolerant of things nobody should be tolerant of. I'd rather any of other candidates, but it looks like it's going to be Trump.

[AKDoug]

I will hold my nose and vote for him. He's bombastic and arrogant, but I honestly don't think he will get much done if he doesn't tone it down a bit. I do think that if he is elected, any good ideas that come out of a Republican Congress will not be vetoed. It's not just the presidential election we have to worry about. The ultimate failure we have, if voters stay home ,is the real risk of losing Republican control in the Senate.

[Averageman]

I will hold my nose and vote for him. He's bombastic and arrogant, but I honestly don't think he will get much done if he doesn't tone it down a bit. I do think that if he is elected, any good ideas that come out of a Republican Congress will not be vetoed. It's not just the presidential election we have to worry about. The ultimate failure we have, if voters stay home ,is the real risk of losing Republican control in the Senate.

Bombastic Arrogance might be a prerequisite for anyone wanting the job, I do think they all must have an ego, most just hide it better. The Guy holding the Office now can barely keep it in check on a daily basis.
I'm hoping (and I'm at this point a Cruz guy) that if elected Trump will run America like a business, cut the unnecessary and job killing Departments and streamline the way business's are built here in America. Fixing the deficit and the way we pay taxes would be numbers 2 and 3.

[interfan]

I will hold my nose and vote for him. He's bombastic and arrogant, but I honestly don't think he will get much done if he doesn't tone it down a bit. I do think that if he is elected, any good ideas that come out of a Republican Congress will not be vetoed. It's not just the presidential election we have to worry about. The ultimate failure we have, if voters stay home ,is the real risk of losing Republican control in the Senate.

And even worse, a leftist Supreme Court. That is the longer lasting, further reaching, and worst consequence of a Hillary/Sanders/Biden/Warren/etc. presidency.

[Phillygunguy]

I'll vote for Trump, because the progressive, liberal, democrat, socialist, communist movement must be stopped by any means necessary

[Straight Shooter]

NOT voting for him under ANY circumstance, period.

[ColtSeavers]

While I'd prefer Canadian Bacon, I'll 'throw the lever' for Trump if he's the chosen one.

[_Stormin_]

NOT voting for him under ANY circumstance, period.
Normally I would deride that choice, but...

Governor Robert J. Bentley (R)
Lieutenant Governor Kay Ivey (R)
Legislature Alabama Legislature
• Upper house Senate R-25, D-8
• Lower house House of Representatives R-72, D-33
U.S. Senators Richard Shelby (R) and Jeff Sessions (R)
U.S. House delegation 6 Republicans, 1 Democrat

Yeah, Alabama is solidly red. One guy not voting really isn't going to change that.

[MountainRaven]

Yeah, Alabama is solidly red. One guy not voting really isn't going to change that.

There are really only about a dozen states where it matter whether you vote or who you vote for.

According to Politico, those states (in 2016) are: Ohio, Colorado, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Virginia, and Florida. If you don't live in one of those states, it doesn't matter who you vote for. Just vote for somebody you won't regret voting for in the morning.

[Benito]

NOT voting for him under ANY circumstance, period.

Even if the alternative is Hitlery? Say bye bye to your AR's, err "assault rifles", and your Constitution.

[Phillygunguy]

Even if the alternative is Hitlery? Say bye bye to your AR's, err "assault rifles", and your Constitution.
Yep Hillary wants an "Australian style" gun buy back law which means we loose it all. Trump on the other hand won't try anything at least in his first term if at all if he's interested in 2 terms. Do I trust him ? Not entirely, but I trust Hillary at her word, and I guarandamntee she will be much worse than Obama.

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[Phillygunguy]

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[AnthonyCumia]

I'll vote for Trump, because the progressive, liberal, democrat, socialist, communist movement must be stopped by any means necessary

Fire up the Helicopters!

[OH58D]

I'd vote for a dog before I would cast a vote for a Progressive (Marxist) democrat. Despite the gloomy outlook of potential gun control, confiscation, buybacks, etc., I predict an active underground firearms culture in years to come. It will be Prohibition all over again. Everyone laying low with their gun arsenals intact, waiting for better political weather.

[Firefly]

It bears repeating:

Trump could dump an old lady out of her wheelchair and dropkick a puppy over the Washington bridge on live TV and pledge allegiance to Pazuzu...

And Hillary could ship every dude in America two clean Estonian hookers with a 24 pack under one arm and a crate of copper coated .22 under the other, vow to repeal the NFA, and personally empty her bank account to send the kids of the Benghazi men to Harvard....

And I'd still vote for Trump.

[Sensei]

There are really only about a dozen states where it matter whether you vote or who you vote for.

According to Politico, those states (in 2016) are: Ohio, Colorado, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Virginia, and Florida. If you don't live in one of those states, it doesn't matter who you vote for. Just vote for somebody you won't regret voting for in the morning.

I'd include NC in that must win category for the GOP and it will be close again this year. In addition, a poor national turnout could very well flip control of the Senate.

Also, I'll be the first to admit that I predicted the anti-Trump vote to be higher; I estimated closer to 20-25% either not voting or crossing the isle. This is by no means the first time that I've been wrong (thought Romney would win even on Election Day), and I made this prediction knowing full well that the survey would be underpowered and biased.

Still, a 10% non-vote within the GOP would a death sentence IF someone other than Hillary was the nominee. Because Hillary is the likely nominee, Trump stands a chance.

[JC5188]

Can't vote with tapatalk, but I'll def vote for trump if he's the nominee.




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[Dist. Expert 26]

I'll absolutely vote for Trump. Is he my ideal candidate? Not by a long shot. I'd personally like to see a true libertarian in office, but that's not happening any time soon. We have to stop Hildabeast from winning. If we fail, our children and grandchildren will suffer the consequences.

[Campbell]

I will not be voting for him...indy or libertarian, write in Markm if I have to

[Sensei]

Good article from Ben Shapiro

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/05/ben-shapiro-explains-why-hell-never-vote-for-trump/

[Korgs130]

Trump is not my guy, but If he is the GOP nominee, he'll get my vote. Folks on the right not voting for the GOP nominee or deciding not to vote at all is exactly what the left is counting on. For me it's really about the preventing the progressive left from getting in office and further restricting our civil rights. Realpolitik.

[Gunfighter.45]

I WILL NOT VOTE! It's doesn't f!$king matter who wins...my bad "Who they put in office"!

The American Dream...Watch and Listen very carefully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

Enough Said!

[elephant]

I think Donald Trump will surprise a lot of people and turn out to be a great president. I don't see him making matters on the small things like gun control, abortion, gay rights, welfare or education. Not saying those are small things, but to him they are. I think he will take up the bigger task that most presidents wouldn't dare face. China, North Korea, Iran, OPEC, He would most likely maximize the money coming into America and not the money leaving.

[Phillygunguy]

All the people who say they will never vote Trump realize this, If Hillary wins there is no turning back regardless of what any politician pundit or radio host tells you. We can't rest on our morals fold our arms and say no, and wait and hope the right candidate comes along that may never happen. If Hillary wins we will no longer have a 2A thats it. I don't care about morals the damn liberals don't have any moral. It will be a lot harder to elect a conservative after Hillary than to fix any damage caused by Trump.

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[MountainRaven]

All the people who say they will never vote Trump realize this, If Hillary wins there is no turning back regardless of what any politician pundit or radio host tells you. We can't rest on our morals fold our arms and say no, and wait and hope the right candidate comes along that may never happen. If Hillary wins we will no longer have a 2A thats it. I don't care about morals the damn liberals don't have any moral. It will be a lot harder to elect a conservative after Hillary than to fix any damage caused by Trump.

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That depends on the damage that Trump does.

And since he's a big government authoritarian (about the only things that can be said for certain of him), the damage will be very difficult to undo: Government rarely gets smaller. Especially if he rolls back the protections of the First Amendment (something he has stated he wishes to do) and the Fourth Amendment (something he has also stated he wishes to do).

[OH58D]

I see many posts all over the web about principled voting, or not voting. Taking a stand of not voting just because of personal beliefs, ethics or integrity. That's fine, but keep in mind that politics is a dirty, nasty process with unethical, power hungry players, who attract big money and really don't care about you, no matter who they are. That's the nature of the political arena in the 21st century.

I will continue to vote either for, or as a protest for any candidate who gives us the best chance of keeping our freedoms, even if that candidate is low life scum. It's gotten to that point in America now. If the lesser of two evils is evil, I will for for the evil one who lets me keeps the most of my Constitutional rights. I'll be happy to get down and dirty in the voting process to preserve our rights, or delay their loss.

[Phillygunguy]

That depends on the damage that Trump does.

And since he's a big government authoritarian (about the only things that can be said for certain of him), the damage will be very difficult to undo: Government rarely gets smaller. Especially if he rolls back the protections of the First Amendment (something he has stated he wishes to do) and the Fourth Amendment (something he has also stated he wishes to do).
And Hillary is better? I'm not a Trump fan but he's still better than Hillary. Think about this people don't vote she wins. The Senate gets lost, and we're looking at Chuck Schumer as majority leader, then Obama replaces Scaila on the Supreme court, Hillary said it is possible
Then what do we do? The constitution will be done. Your rights, the first the second the fourth etc. All gone. Even if you could own a gun it would be registered, Think ammo is expensive. Wait till you'll have to pay insurance for every gun you own what then? Say next time we're going to win? The republican will put up another establishment looser. And another democrat wins it goes on and on and before you know it your too old to do anything about it.

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[Phillygunguy]

People need to really think before they stay home. The next mass shooting, could be worse than Sandy hook and with Clinton in the white house you can kiss your guns goodbye. For real this time.
People forget how bad things were in 94 it can happen again, except this time no expiration no grandfathering nothing. What will you say then? At least I didn't vote for Trump?


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[elephant]

Ill just say, that from what I have heard from most of the larges offshore drilling companies (who I manufacture parts for) have said if Hillary or Sanders get in White House, they will follow Halliburton and incorporate overseas in Abu Dhabi or Hong Kong or Singapore. Since the US favors drilling operators from other countries and provides a huge tax break, it would be a huge gain for them because the 267 thousands jobs that were lost in the last 2 years would be replaced by cheaper labor overseas. The trillions of dollars that would go into our economy would otherwise go into someone else's. I don't really blame them, I mean, these CEO have to make decisions that make sense for the company as a whole and the stock holders. That means these companies would buy steel locally instead of the US. Though I understand why these companies would do that, it would be a huge crippling blow to he US. Right now there are 6 brand new steel mills being built in Mexico to provide steel for the auto and aircraft industry there. Since Boeing, Trane, Ford, CAT, Nissan, GE, Chrysler, GM, Toyota, Siemens, Hewitt Packer, LG, Kenworth, Volks Wagon and John Deere make over 60% of there products there. Steel that was purchased in America from Nucor, Chaparral Steel and US Steel is now going to be manufactured in Mexico by Gerdau which is a Brazilian steel company. This really is a Problem for the US. And this is what Donald Trump is talking about. Right now, Mexico can manufacture steel for 30 cents on the dollar, they can manufacture cars for 60 cents on the dollar. Hillary is still talking about guns and women's rights. Donald is the only candidate in decades to address these issues and want to take a stance.

[El Cid]

The worst of the GOP > the best Democrat - by a mile.

[OH58D]

The worst of the GOP > the best Democrat - by a mile.
+1000

[DreadPirateMoyer]

People crossing their arms and stamping their feet if Trump gets the nomination are being miopic and childish. A Trump Presidency may be bad, but a Clinton presidency would be far worse.

Anyone who willingly lets the latter happen by refusing to vote for the former is insane. Anyone who knowingly takes inaction on 2 steps back and therefore allows the country to go 10 steps back is also insane.

Hopefully those of you being stubborn wake up by election day.

[MountainRaven]

People crossing their arms and stamping their feet if Trump gets the nomination are being miopic and childish. A Trump Presidency may be bad, but a Clinton presidency would be far worse.

Anyone who willingly lets the latter happen by refusing to vote for the former is insane. Anyone who knowingly takes inaction on 2 steps back and therefore allows the country to go 10 steps back is also insane.

Hopefully those of you being stubborn wake up by election day.

Drumpfvolk ought to find these people admirable, then: They are the sort of person they support to be president.

[MegademiC]

I will become a fan for whoever gets GOP nomination. Trump isn't my guy, and I don't trust him 100%, but there is no way he can be as bad as hillary or sanders. Holding out for the best candidate got us Obama for 8 years, so if you guys loved them, by all means, stay home.

[lowprone]

Holding out for the best candidate ??? McShame and Mittens both took a dive as instructed.
Conservatives have been playing to an empty house since Reagan, and the GOP hated him.
I could care less about Trump he is just a tool to beat the establishment to death.

[AnthonyCumia]

Ill just say, that from what I have heard from most of the larges offshore drilling companies (who I manufacture parts for) have said if Hillary or Sanders get in White House, they will follow Halliburton and incorporate overseas in Abu Dhabi or Hong Kong or Singapore. Since the US favors drilling operators from other countries and provides a huge tax break, it would be a huge gain for them because the 267 thousands jobs that were lost in the last 2 years would be replaced by cheaper labor overseas. The trillions of dollars that would go into our economy would otherwise go into someone else's. I don't really blame them, I mean, these CEO have to make decisions that make sense for the company as a whole and the stock holders. That means these companies would buy steel locally instead of the US. Though I understand why these companies would do that, it would be a huge crippling blow to he US. Right now there are 6 brand new steel mills being built in Mexico to provide steel for the auto and aircraft industry there. Since Boeing, Trane, Ford, CAT, Nissan, GE, Chrysler, GM, Toyota, Siemens, Hewitt Packer, LG, Kenworth, Volks Wagon and John Deere make over 60% of there products there. Steel that was purchased in America from Nucor, Chaparral Steel and US Steel is now going to be manufactured in Mexico by Gerdau which is a Brazilian steel company. This really is a Problem for the US. And this is what Donald Trump is talking about. Right now, Mexico can manufacture steel for 30 cents on the dollar, they can manufacture cars for 60 cents on the dollar. Hillary is still talking about guns and women's rights. Donald is the only candidate in decades to address these issues and want to take a stance.


This sums it up...To Hell with the Globalists. "Sure you are making less and the entire population is making less but we measure things by the GDP of a nation as to hide the decline"...Morons and Traitors all of them.


The worst of the GOP > the best Democrat - by a mile.


Have you seen how bad the Neo Cons are? Bush was just as bad as Obama, Bush had the Congress and the White House and did nothing with that power for the base or but for his handlers.


That depends on the damage that Trump does.

And since he's a big government authoritarian (about the only things that can be said for certain of him), the damage will be very difficult to undo: Government rarely gets smaller. Especially if he rolls back the protections of the First Amendment (something he has stated he wishes to do) and the Fourth Amendment (something he has also stated he wishes to do).


Yeah, seeing how the leftist media will be harmed by those restrictions I am totally fine with them, they try and restrict our First Amendment rights with the "fairness doctrine" for years, so why not return fire in kind?


Why not use the power of the state against our enemies? (leftist, internationalists, globalists, open border supporters, gun control supporters and their financiers) They clearly have no hang ups about using it against up so why hold back?

[SteyrAUG]

That depends on the damage that Trump does.


And the problem is he's a wild card since he has no voting record. But here are some of his stated positions.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

Hardly my ideal candidate, but I can live with most of his stated positions.

[Sensei]

I will become a fan for whoever gets GOP nomination. Trump isn't my guy, and I don't trust him 100%, but there is no way he can be as bad as hillary or sanders. Holding out for the best candidate got us Obama for 8 years, so if you guys loved them, by all means, stay home.

I have no idea how good or bad he could be because his principles are an amorphous blob.

[SteyrAUG]

Have you seen how bad the Neo Cons are? Bush was just as bad as Obama, Bush had the Congress and the White House and did nothing with that power for the base or but for his handlers.


No big fan of Bush, but I can't tell you how wrong you are. It's not even close.

[Sensei]

No big fan of Bush, but I can't tell you how wrong you are. It's not even close.

I tend to agree. Just use SCOTUS nominations as an example. Bush gave us one dud and one superstar. Both of Obama's nominations were disasters for freedom.

[MountainRaven]

Yeah, seeing how the leftist media will be harmed by those restrictions I am totally fine with them, they try and restrict our First Amendment rights with the "fairness doctrine" for years, so why not return fire in kind?


Why not use the power of the state against our enemies? (leftist, internationalists, globalists, open border supporters, gun control supporters and their financiers) They clearly have no hang ups about using it against up so why hold back?

Because that would be UnAmerican (seriously - you want to live in a country like that, there's this place called Venezuela. Another called Russia if you can't stand brown people) and you would find yourself to be the next target.

And, no, they have not attacked us in such a manner. If they had, you'd (and many other members of this forum) be in prison or sued into bankruptcy, and everyone else would be keeping their mouths shut about how much we hate the government.

[SteyrAUG]

I tend to agree. Just use SCOTUS nominations as an example. Bush gave us one dud and one superstar. Both of Obama's nominations were disasters for freedom.

Then there is legislation, probably the worst thing Bush did was the Patriot Act, which can be used by the likes of Obama and Hillary to target political enemies. Idiots at the time said it would never be used against a US citizen, they were of course wrong.

But Obama gave us Obamacare which is the first time a US citizen has been required to purchase something or face a fine. Idiots all assumed it would be free or covered by existing social security or medicare/medicaid, they were of course wrong.

[Phillygunguy]

I heard some people complain about Trump wanting make it legal to sue the NY Times, and how it violates the first amendment etc. Well just remember how a New York newspaper published the names addresses and phone numbers of people who where registered gun owners. Should they not have a right to sue? People have a short memory I guess

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[Benito]

I'd vote for a dog before I would cast a vote for a Progressive (Marxist) democrat. Despite the gloomy outlook of potential gun control, confiscation, buybacks, etc., I predict an active underground firearms culture in years to come. It will be Prohibition all over again. Everyone laying low with their gun arsenals intact, waiting for better political weather.

I agree, and you may be right, but a lot of good people's lives would be ruined in the process. Also, if the Dems win, there will be no better political weather. Elections will become unwinnable for us. The demographics will tip past the point of no return.


It bears repeating:

Trump could dump an old lady out of her wheelchair and dropkick a puppy over the Washington bridge on live TV and pledge allegiance to Pazuzu...

And Hillary could ship every dude in America two clean Estonian hookers with a 24 pack under one arm and a crate of copper coated .22 under the other, vow to repeal the NFA, and personally empty her bank account to send the kids of the Benghazi men to Harvard....

And I'd still vote for Trump.

Ooooh, I was with you until the repeal the NFA thing. If she did that, it would be a fundamental shift in her nature. Unless of course she repealed it due to it being moot once she repealed the 2nd Amendment.


Good article from Ben Shapiro

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/05/ben-shapiro-explains-why-hell-never-vote-for-trump/

I greatly respect Ben Shapiro, and find him very intelligent, but he is wrong here for the exact reason Phillygunguy stated above (and which I quote directly below).


All the people who say they will never vote Trump realize this, If Hillary wins there is no turning back regardless of what any politician pundit or radio host tells you. We can't rest on our morals fold our arms and say no, and wait and hope the right candidate comes along that may never happen. If Hillary wins we will no longer have a 2A thats it. I don't care about morals the damn liberals don't have any moral. It will be a lot harder to elect a conservative after Hillary than to fix any damage caused by Trump.

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Precisely this. There is no next time if Hitlery wins. That may sound like doom and gloom, but it's true. The SCOTUS will be tipped to the Dark Side, bye bye to guns, and the Dem electorate will be shored up to the point of being invincible via every means imaginable.


People need to really think before they stay home. The next mass shooting, could be worse than Sandy hook and with Clinton in the white house you can kiss your guns goodbye. For real this time.
People forget how bad things were in 94 it can happen again, except this time no expiration no grandfathering nothing. What will you say then? At least I didn't vote for Trump?

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All it takes is for the media to be focused on one shooting, Hitlery to pour out an Obama-esque tear (I actually don't think her evil cyborg programming supports the tear function, though) or trot out a paid actor to do so, and her SCOTUS appointee will tip the scales towards bye bye guns.
2A will be interpreted as a "collective right" ("The People" refers to government, see???) and presto, all yo stuff goes bye bye.


Drumpfvolk ought to find these people admirable, then: They are the sort of person they support to be president.

I am doing my best to bite my tongue here. Are you serious of being facetious? Do you actually think it's moronic and childish to want to stop the invasion of the United States by an enemy who has openly declared and carried out war for 1400 years and counting?


Because that would be UnAmerican (seriously - you want to live in a country like that, there's this place called Venezuela. Another called Russia if you can't stand brown people) and you would find yourself to be the next target.

And, no, they have not attacked us in such a manner. If they had, you'd (and many other members of this forum) be in prison or sued into bankruptcy, and everyone else would be keeping their mouths shut about how much we hate the government.

Actually, no. Punishing treason is not unAmerican. Aiding, abetting, giving comfort to the enemy are all acts of treason. Hating the gov isn't treason, but assisting the enemies of the United States is, and that is what the Left does.

[sva01]

My ultimate goal is to keep Hilary from being elected. If Trump gets the nomination, my support would fall behind him. Doing write-ins and not voting would only be helpful to the Democratic Party and their anti-gun positions.

[djegators]

A Hillary win means a good chance of her bringing Dems into of control of the House and Senate as well. Add to that one already known SCOTUS nominee, and possibly two more. We can miss goodbye good sized chunks of the Bill of Rights that we won't back in that scenario. As distasteful as it is to support Trump, as much as he has no plan, no class, no conservative credentials, we absolutely must do whatever we can to hold off the leftist insurgency.

[austinN4]

As distasteful as it is to support Trump, as much as he has no plan, no class, no conservative credentials, we absolutely must do whatever we can to hold off the leftist insurgency.

That sums it up pretty well.

[Palmguy]

The worst of the GOP > the best Democrat - by a mile.

Not sure that I'd agree. I'd take Jim Webb over Donald Trump.

[PatrioticDisorder]

Not sure that I'd agree. I'd take Jim Webb over Donald Trump.

I'd love to trade Jim Webb for John Kasich. Webb is the only D that ran for president in recent history I could have voted for.

[Phillygunguy]

Not sure that I'd agree. I'd take Jim Webb over Donald Trump.
Jim Webb had no chance he's too old school democrat, when they actually gave a rat's ass about the constitution

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[Koshinn]

If Webb runs independent, I'll vote for him.

If not, I'm writing in Mattis.

[horseman234]

There is a huge problem, if at present over 17% of the members of THIS site would rather possibly forfeit our second amendment rights by handing the presidency to Hillary<- . Like Trump or not, he has raised some very impressive children which does make me think he's not quite as immature as he has shown on the campaign trail.

http://townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/2016/03/06/if-trump-is-so-awful-why-are-his-kids-so-awesome-n2129383?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=

[djegators]

There is a huge problem, if at present over 17% of the members of THIS site would rather possibly forfeit our second amendment rights by handing the presidency to Hillary<- . Like Trump or not, he has raised some very impressive children which does make me think he's not quite as immature as he has shown on the campaign trail.

http://townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/2016/03/06/if-trump-is-so-awful-why-are-his-kids-so-awesome-n2129383?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=

Bingo.

[tb-av]

Not sure that I'd agree. I'd take Jim Webb over Donald Trump.

You don't simply get Jim Webb. You get all the Dem back stabbers he associates with. Namely Tim Kaine and Mark Warner.

You want your guns taken away as quickly as possible? You want to have pull out your wallet and fight week after week to keep your 2A rights?

Then go ahead an surrender. Give in to the current rabid socialist Democrat regime. Sure, there may one or two ok Dems in the fray. So what? They are not going to change the thinking of the other 99%.

If you think they are bad now, wait until they own it all.

[The Dumb Gun Collector]

And that is the result here...and firearms forums are probably one of the places least likely to be turned off by Trump's in your face style. This guy is straight-up poison.

[glocktogo]

And that is the result here...and firearms forums are probably one of the places least likely to be turned off by Trump's in your face style. This guy is straight-up poison.

Sure, but Judge Jeanine gets why Trump is doing so well and the "non-poisonous" establishment candidates are faring so poorly:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4788291323001/judge-jeanine-mitt-romney-awoke-a-sleeping-giant/?playlist_id=937116552001#sp=show-clips

[Koshinn]

There is a huge problem, if at present over 17% of the members of THIS site would rather possibly forfeit our second amendment rights by handing the presidency to Hillary<- . Like Trump or not, he has raised some very impressive children which does make me think he's not quite as immature as he has shown on the campaign trail.

http://townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/2016/03/06/if-trump-is-so-awful-why-are-his-kids-so-awesome-n2129383?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=

Because Trump is such a supporter of the 2A. He's backtracked on big issues recently, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he backtracks on the 2A when his nomination is almost ensured. Remember, Trump said "I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record."

[djegators]

Again, the question is Trump vs Hillary....we KNOW exactly what she will do with the 2A.....and all the "I will NEVER vote for Trump" stuff pretty much guarantees her a win.

[Dist. Expert 26]

Trump may or may not flip flop on everything he's said, including the 2A. That remains to be seen. What I can guarantee, however, is that Hildabeast will stick by what she's always said and work tirelessly to destroy the Constitution in its entirety.

I'll take my chances with Trump.

[djegators]

Sure, but Judge Jeanine gets why Trump is doing so well and the "non-poisonous" establishment candidates are faring so poorly:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4788291323001/judge-jeanine-mitt-romney-awoke-a-sleeping-giant/?playlist_id=937116552001#sp=show-clips


Yes, and the Peggy Noonan article explains it as well

http://www.peggynoonan.com/trump-and-the-rise-of-the-unprotected/

[glocktogo]

Again, the question is Trump vs Hillary....we KNOW exactly what she will do with the 2A.....and all the "I will NEVER vote for Trump" stuff pretty much guarantees her a win.

Not necessarily. How motivated or demoralized the Democrats are will have just as much, if not more impact.

[brickboy240]

It will be really...REALLY tough to do it but I would probably pull the lever for Trump.

Only because 4-8 years of Hillary will probably be much more damaging to the country as a whole.

Also, if you think about it, even the mushy moderates McCain and Romney would probably have not given us govt run healthcare or Kagen and Sotomayor types as SC nominees.

With Trump, maybe we slow the bleeding. Hillary will just be Obama's third term.

[tb-av]

Given the choice of poison or the guillotine... I'll take my chance that we can find an antidote. Poison takes time to work.

What don't people get about this being a no win situation and they are being faced with making the best possible choice to basically bend, mold, and change the direction of the next POTUS.

Hillary has made it perfectly clear. YOU ARE HER ENEMY. SHE HATES YOU.

Trump, if nominated at worst will begin to something stupid but has proven his mind can be changed.

HILLARY HATES YOU. SHE HATES MEN. SHE WANTS REVENGE. SHE IS READY TO PUNISH SOMEONE.

But by all means, go ahead and support her..... because after all Trump is crazy.

In fact, get MilSpecMonkey to make you a nice patch that says "I Supported Hillary because Trump Is Poison". Show everyone how you helped save America for the next 8 years.

Have none of you people never had any crazy friends? Crazy and filled with hate are two different things. Hillary is a seething pot of HATE ready to explode. You can be the smartest guy in the 2A crowd and her hate is going to impact you all the same. Hell even Bernie Sanders was berating Hillary on gun control this weekend. That's pretty damn bad when an F rated socialist is berating Hillary saying here views on guns were over the top. .. and yet we are supposed to support her over Trump because he's crazy.

Hillary is a Disease and she has your mind if you would do anything to support her. There is no thing or no one that will be POTUS in 2017 that is worse than Hillary. She must be stopped by any and all means, even if that means crazy Mr. Trump as a stop gap measure.

If you are that concerned about Trump you better get on the Cruz train AND the anti-Hillary train.

[Auto-X Fil]

No way would I vote for Hillary over Trump. Anyone else, but not her. She's everything bad about the Bush-era whitehouse, combined with the worst aspects of the current administration (one of which is her).

Bernie has the same stance on guns as Trump, historically. Both have long said they support the 2A, but would promote an AWB and universal background checks.

[DreadPirateMoyer]

Hillary is a guaranteed worst-case scenario for gun owners: Australian buyback confiscation supporter, AWB supporter, gets to nominate 1-3 SCOTUS judges...she is THE endgame. The bad kind. Guaranteed.

And even if Trump may be bad historically on 2A, his rhetoric now is good. But if you can't be sure, at least there is a CHANCE he'll be good. Hillary? Guaranteed she won't be.

People refusing to vote for Trump if he gets the nomination because he might backtrack on 2A, thereby allowing Hillary's guaranteed assault on 2A, are oblivious.

Chance vs. guarantee and you take guarantee? What a joke.

[djegators]

Hillary is a guaranteed worst-case scenario for gun owners: Australian buyback confiscation supporter, AWB supporter, gets to nominate 1-3 SCOTUS judges...she is THE endgame. The bad kind. Guaranteed.

And even if Trump may be bad historically on 2A, his rhetoric now is good. But if you can't be sure, at least there is a CHANCE he'll be good. Hillary? Guaranteed she won't be.

People refusing to vote for Trump if he gets the nomination because he might backtrack on 2A, thereby allowing Hillary's guaranteed assault on 2A, are oblivious.

Chance vs. guarantee and you take guarantee? What a joke.

It is a way of thinking that we accuse the left of....it is doing what feels good versus what actually does good. It may make you feel like you are doing the right thing to not vote for Trump, but it helps Hillary that is doing immeasurable harm.

[Phillygunguy]

A lot can happen between now and April, May, Cruz could still get the nomination, of course if they are going to push a brokered convention they could put Romney as a nominee in that case you might as well stay home because he didn't really want to be president in 2012 and I doubt he wants to now. That would be the only time I'd sit it out.
But Trump? If he gets the nomination you all better get out and vote. Otherwise you can stand on your principles while you stand in line waiting to register your guns. Molon Labe sticker and all


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[brickboy240]

I agree totally.

Many will "stand on their principles" and watch what is left of their rights go away. That always amazes me.

"...but...but...Trump is not really a conservative, blah blah"

Yeah, well Hillary IS a 100% statist/leftists and you can bet on her trying to take your guns, raising your taxes and appointing more leftists to the Supreme Court.

"...but, but, Trump was pro choice on abortion, blah, blah"

Umm...so is Hillary! So legal abortion goes nowhere AND you probably lose more rights and pack the SC with more leftists....great huh?

With Trump and a GOP majority in Congress, we stand a ghost of a chance of making things better.

With Hillary and the GOP Congress...more of the same.

Time to re-think your "I am standing on my principles" view, if you ask me.

[Phillygunguy]

And don't forget about how Trump is a womanizer, while Hillary is married to the biggest womanizer, sexual abuser, scumbag And defended him !
Tells me she's a bigger womanizer than Trump!
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[Eurodriver]

Am I the only one who wants to ride the train over the cliff?

Hillary/Bernie 2016.

[jmp45]

I'll vote for Trump but with much reluctance. I dislike the guy for so many reasons. So he won't like me. But I dislike Shrillery and Bern much more. I'm betting he will flip on most issues after and it will be more of the same, just a little slower to the cliff. I will feel real guilty about pulling the handle if / when that happens, but not as bad stopping the left.

Trump wants to change the law so he can sue whomever speaks against / slanders him. Once the first is gone, think the 2nd will be in his sights?

[MountainRaven]

I am doing my best to bite my tongue here. Are you serious of being facetious? Do you actually think it's moronic and childish to want to stop the invasion of the United States by an enemy who has openly declared and carried out war for 1400 years and counting?

You're a fool if you believe that Drumpf will do what you want him to about it.

He's a bald-faced liar and New York progressive, plain and simple. The only difference between him and Hillary is that Hillary tries not to lie.


Actually, no. Punishing treason is not unAmerican. Aiding, abetting, giving comfort to the enemy are all acts of treason. Hating the gov isn't treason, but assisting the enemies of the United States is, and that is what the Left does.

The thought of President Drumpf gives comfort to Putin, ISIS, and Rafael Correa (Ecuador's authoritarian leftist president who has done much of what Drumpf has said he wishes to do) - who are our enemies, since you've forgotten. It confuses, frightens, and angers our allies.

It seems to me that if anyone is guilty of treason, it's Drumpf and the Drumpfvolk.


Am I the only one who wants to ride the train over the cliff?

Hillary/Bernie 2016.

At this point, we might as well.

No sense limping away from this thing....

[Gunfighter.45]

The guys going to vote for these snakes in the grass...please explain to me how their going to fix this country? These lying flip floppers always changing their minds every two weeks! Oh yea...do you actually think trump cares about The 2nd Amendment or anything remotely important to help this country out and not just trump but any these freaks on tv running for POTUS? Come on guys really look at the choices we've got here...trump and hillary this is a f@^king joke a bunch of rotten characters is all we got to choose from. GOD Help Us!!

[Alric]

I remember when m4c was up in arms over Obama's treatment of our allies. More than a few seem to gloss over how Trump is interacting with those same allies.

[Sensei]

Again, this poll is not powered to be valid. However, it seems to fall out to about what I was predicting, and it is similar to statistically valid polling from 6 weeks ago - 20-25% of conservative leaning people will not vote for Trump. I consider M4C to be a cohort of conservative leaning people.

IF Trump cannot count on even 15% of the GOP vote, he is going to make Dukakis and Mondale look like winners.

[PatrioticDisorder]

Again, this poll is not powered to be valid. However, it seems to fall out to about what I was predicting, and it is similar to statistically valid polling from 6 weeks ago - 20-25% of conservative leaning people will not vote for Trump. I consider M4C to be a cohort of conservative leaning people.

IF Trump cannot count on even 15% of the GOP vote, he is going to make Dukakis and Mondale look like winners.

Nice try, poll shows 83.69% saying they will vote for Trump (and when this poll started voting for Trump wasn't even an option), this is on a M4C some of the most conservative of conservative. When push comes to shove that numbe will go up closer to 90% of M4C members, count on it. Hillary will have a bigger problem with turn out, but worst of all for her will be the crossover vote... Specifically crossover vote in purple & blue leaning states. If a few percent of the most conservative of conservative in dark red states stay home, it's completely irrelevant.

[tb-av]

Nice try, poll shows 83.69% saying they will vote for Trump (and when this poll started voting for Trump wasn't even an option), this is on a M4C some of the most conservative of conservative. When push comes to shove that numbe will go up closer to 90% of M4C members, count on it. Hillary will have a bigger problem with turn out, but worst of all for her will be the crossover vote... Specifically crossover vote in purple & blue leaning states. If a few percent of the most conservative of conservative in dark red states stay home, it's completely irrelevant.

Amen.... after you have lived in a Red State and it turns Purple then Blue.... you will change your tune right quick. Been there... living that from formally RED VA.

ETA: BTW,, want to see what a BLUE STATE looks like.....

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Virginia_Presidential_Election_Results_by_County_2012.png

[Averageman]

Nice try, poll shows 83.69% saying they will vote for Trump (and when this poll started voting for Trump wasn't even an option), this is on a M4C some of the most conservative of conservative. When push comes to shove that numbe will go up closer to 90% of M4C members, count on it. Hillary will have a bigger problem with turn out, but worst of all for her will be the crossover vote... Specifically crossover vote in purple & blue leaning states. If a few percent of the most conservative of conservative in dark red states stay home, it's completely irrelevant.

I would have to agree with this.
Here is the thing, if you talk to Democrats you will find that many of them are disenchanted with the available choices. There are some rabidly anti Clinton Democrats out there, there are also some "Feel The Bern" folks out there who will stay home rather than vote for Hillary considering the treatment he has gotten from the Democratic Establishment.
I would guess that looking at the numbers of Democrats who actually got out there in the Primaries, plus what I mentioned above the Democrats are in a lot of trouble regardless of either of the two options they move forward with.
This is likely to be an unpredictable landslide based upon a few other factors also. The slow leak coming from the E-Mail scandal isn't helping Clinton at all, as much as I would guess the White House would like to shut this down it isn't happening. Unlike Romney vs Obama, neither Trump or Cruz is going to give her a pass on this, the dirty laundry effect on stage will shut her down in a debate. The only question now is, will She be indicted after She wins the nomination and at that point what will happen?
The Cross-Over Votes are likely to go to Trump as both Democrats and Republicans are finding a unique disgust with all things related to career politicians.

I could be wrong, but having spoken to a number of Democrats, many have chosen to go Independent this cycle.

[Big A]

Am I the only one who wants to ride the train over the cliff?

Hillary/Bernie 2016.
Nope. Let's light this bitch already.

[THCDDM4]

I'll take literally ANYONE the GOP offers up over Hitlery or Burny.

I don't even care about not believing a word the Trump says; he's still better than The bitch-beast and the old commie.


Every time I think about the state of the world and our country, I can't help but hear this song in my head over and over:

Round the world and home again
That's the sailor's way
Faster faster, faster faster

There's no earthly way of knowing
Which direction we are going
There's no knowing where we're rowing
Or which way the river's flowing

Is it raining, is it snowing
Is a hurricane a-blowing

Not a speck of light is showing
So the danger must be growing
Are the fires of Hell a-glowing
Is the grisly reaper mowing

Yes, the danger must be growing
For the rowers keep on rowing
And they're certainly not showing
Any signs that they are slowing

^Willy Wonka.

It is scary how well that silly little Willy Wonka song applies to our state of affairs right now...

[djegators]

I would have to agree with this.
Here is the thing, if you talk to Democrats you will find that many of them are disenchanted with the available choices. There are some rabidly anti Clinton Democrats out there, there are also some "Feel The Bern" folks out there who will stay home rather than vote for Hillary considering the treatment he has gotten from the Democratic Establishment.
I would guess that looking at the numbers of Democrats who actually got out there in the Primaries, plus what I mentioned above the Democrats are in a lot of trouble regardless of either of the two options they move forward with.
This is likely to be an unpredictable landslide based upon a few other factors also. The slow leak coming from the E-Mail scandal isn't helping Clinton at all, as much as I would guess the White House would like to shut this down it isn't happening. Unlike Romney vs Obama, neither Trump or Cruz is going to give her a pass on this, the dirty laundry effect on stage will shut her down in a debate. The only question now is, will She be indicted after She wins the nomination and at that point what will happen?
The Cross-Over Votes are likely to go to Trump as both Democrats and Republicans are finding a unique disgust with all things related to career politicians.

I could be wrong, but having spoken to a number of Democrats, many have chosen to go Independent this cycle.


Maybe...but recent history does not lead me to believe it will happen that way....the Republicans have only won the majority of votes ONCE in the last six presidential elections. All kinds of people over here viciously attacking Republicans, and saying they would never vote for anyone but their guy...meanwhile, the Dems quietly rally around the cause election after election and move forward.

[tb-av]

All kinds of people over here viciously attacking Republicans, and saying they would never vote for anyone but their guy...meanwhile, the Dems quietly rally around the cause election after election and move forward.


Oh, no, no, no... it all Trump's fault!!!!! There is one thing you can always count on with "Non-Dems" ... I call them that because any other name the will correct you on. "The voter that shall not be categorized" ... You can always count on just enough to be not quite right for them and they will blow election after election. It always has a name... this year's name is "Trump". Couple years ago it was "Teach a Lesson". Oh, and there was "Palin".

They are great at one thing.... being election year intellectual losers.

[Averageman]

Oh, no, no, no... it all Trump's fault!!!!! There is one thing you can always count on with "Non-Dems" ... I call them that because any other name the will correct you on. "The voter that shall not be categorized" ... You can always count on just enough to be not quite right for them and they will blow election after election. It always has a name... this year's name is "Trump". Couple years ago it was "Teach a Lesson". Oh, and there was "Palin".

They are great at one thing.... being election year intellectual losers.

I see a lot of that, it's short term thinking and that is something Conservatives have in spades, nobody is ever good enough for them. Every single issue seems to rule out one or more of the prospects and leads them to lose again and again.
The Progressives however have used the Democratic party until they overwhelmed the majority of Democrats and now own the Party and can count on most of the votes still in the shell that was left behind. They've gradually been warmed to full blown Socialism.
Why Conservatives cannot see this and use it to their own purposes is beyond me. They have a chance to remove the rotten core of the Republican Party and unite the rest and move forward for incremental change, but never seem to learn from their enemies.

[Phillygunguy]

Nope. Let's light this bitch already.
If there's no saving this country so be it
Bring on 1861

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[TMS951]

Don't like him at all. But I like some of his policy idea's, just dialed back a little.

I'll vote for him, but I won't be happy about it. He's better than Hilary, but if I didn't own guns I don't know if I'd say that.

[PatrioticDisorder]

I'll take literally ANYONE the GOP offers up over Hitlery or Burny.

I'd vote for Ronald McDonald over either of those 2. The ballot might as well say Hillary/Not-Hillary and I'm voting not Hillary come November.

[glocktogo]

You're a fool if you believe that Drumpf will do what you want him to about it.

He's a bald-faced liar and New York progressive, plain and simple. The only difference between him and Hillary is that Hillary tries not to lie.

The thought of President Drumpf gives comfort to Putin, ISIS, and Rafael Correa (Ecuador's authoritarian leftist president who has done much of what Drumpf has said he wishes to do) - who are our enemies, since you've forgotten. It confuses, frightens, and angers our allies.

It seems to me that if anyone is guilty of treason, it's Drumpf and the Drumpfvolk.

At this point, we might as well.

No sense limping away from this thing....

That may be the most nonsensical thing I've ever read on M4C. :rolleyes:

[Sensei]

Nice try, poll shows 83.69% saying they will vote for Trump (and when this poll started voting for Trump wasn't even an option), this is on a M4C some of the most conservative of conservative. When push comes to shove that numbe will go up closer to 90% of M4C members, count on it. Hillary will have a bigger problem with turn out, but worst of all for her will be the crossover vote... Specifically crossover vote in purple & blue leaning states. If a few percent of the most conservative of conservative in dark red states stay home, it's completely irrelevant.
[/QUOTE]

When I started my post Trump was pulling 81% in this poll. I had to come back to my post several hours later due to work constraints.

Two points:
First, if you think that 81% is different than 83.6% (or 80% for that matter) in a poll powered by less 150 respondents, then you don't understand statistics.

Second, if you thank that Trump can pull enough democrats and independents to make up for even a 10% deficit in Republican turnout, then you are smoking crack. Notice how many REPUBLICANS on this forum say that they will hold their nose if the have to vote for Trump. His approval with democrats and independents is -70 and -27, respectively. All of the 2016 POTUS polls this week on RCP have him getting killed by Clinton and Sanders.

[Singlestack Wonder]

When I started my post Trump was pulling 81% in this poll. I had to come back to my post several hours later due to work constraints.

Two points:
First, if you think that 81% is different than 83.6% (or 80% for that matter) in a poll powered by less 150 respondents, then you don't understand statistics.

Second, if you thank that Trump can pull enough democrats and independents to make up for even a 10% deficit in Republican turnout, then you are smoking crack. Notice how many REPUBLICANS on this forum say that they will hold their nose if the have to vote for Trump. His approval with democrats and independents is -70 and -27, respectively. All of the 2016 POTUS polls this week on RCP have him getting killed by Clinton and Sanders.[/QUOTE]

Of course the polls in the 84 election showed that Ronald Reagan would not win either......

[AnthonyCumia]

I remember when m4c was up in arms over Obama's treatment of our allies. More than a few seem to gloss over how Trump is interacting with those same allies.

**** them..Do they pay us for our actions? No! We are done being the rent a cop of the world.

[glocktogo]

When I started my post Trump was pulling 81% in this poll. I had to come back to my post several hours later due to work constraints.

Two points:
First, if you think that 81% is different than 83.6% (or 80% for that matter) in a poll powered by less 150 respondents, then you don't understand statistics.

Second, if you thank that Trump can pull enough democrats and independents to make up for even a 10% deficit in Republican turnout, then you are smoking crack. Notice how many REPUBLICANS on this forum say that they will hold their nose if the have to vote for Trump. His approval with democrats and independents is -70 and -27, respectively. All of the 2016 POTUS polls this week on RCP have him getting killed by Clinton and Sanders.[/QUOTE]

He can if there's a 20% deficit in Democrat turnout. :)

Regardless, all your naysaying will be completely irrelevant unless the RNC can convince Rubio & Kasich to drop and support Cruz. That's the only way the delegates will add up to defeat Trump and going for a brokered convention to steal the nomination from Trump would be party fratricide. :D

[AnthonyCumia]

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/07/abcs-sunny-hostin-trumps-stance-on-border-security-immigration-akin-to-hitlers-extermination-of-jews/


Monday on ABC’s “The View,” network senior legal correspondent Sunny Hostin argued there no difference between Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump’s tough tack on immigration and border security and Adolf Hitler’s extermination of the Jews in Nazi Germany.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frqHqyol88o

I have noticed that the left has been screaming "nazi", "racist", etc more so then they have in the past, do you think they know it will no longer work?

Do you think we are reaching peak leftism?

What is your take reader?

[Sensei]

When I started my post Trump was pulling 81% in this poll. I had to come back to my post several hours later due to work constraints.

Two points:
First, if you think that 81% is different than 83.6% (or 80% for that matter) in a poll powered by less 150 respondents, then you don't understand statistics.

Second, if you thank that Trump can pull enough democrats and independents to make up for even a 10% deficit in Republican turnout, then you are smoking crack. Notice how many REPUBLICANS on this forum say that they will hold their nose if the have to vote for Trump. His approval with democrats and independents is -70 and -27, respectively. All of the 2016 POTUS polls this week on RCP have him getting killed by Clinton and Sanders.

He can if there's a 20% deficit in Democrat turnout. :)

Regardless, all your naysaying will be completely irrelevant unless the RNC can convince Rubio & Kasich to drop and support Cruz. That's the only way the delegates will add up to defeat Trump and going for a brokered convention to steal the nomination from Trump would be party fratricide. :D[/QUOTE]

Agreed. The math for the RNC is really very simple and the handwriting is on the wall. A brokered convention that ends with an establishment nominee will result in a disasterous November for the GOP. They would lose the Presidency and likely flip the Senate. Trump and Cruz are the only ones that would not result in a 48+ state loss.

[Gunfighter.45]

Man I really have to ask...does this surprise you? trump and all the other dumbasses going for POTUS say and do lot of stupid shit! Mark my words man...ALL the candidates running aren't worth a piece of sh!t.

[PatrioticDisorder]

Agreed. The math for the RNC is really very simple and the handwriting is on the wall. A brokered convention that ends with an establishment nominee will result in a disasterous November for the GOP. They would lose the Presidency and likely flip the Senate. Trump and Cruz are the only ones that would not result in a 48+ state loss.

Rubio & Kasich are starting to piss me off, I want a 1 on 1 race between Trump & Cruz, let the voters speak & then work to unite the party. I'm starting to think Cruz would have a shot in the general, but I do believe it would be a very close race between Hillary & Cruz. My only other worry with Cruz is if he does win, can he actually get McConnell & Ryan to work with him to fix immigration? My guess is no, because those assholes need a bully to bitch slap them into doing the right thing, they need a POTUS to go on TV and make his case to the American people like Reagan would do and (I hate to say it) Obama.

[BoringGuy45]

Is there a single politician on the face of the planet who hasn't been compared to Hitler? Some guy proposes a tax? Hitler proposed that SAME tax at the SAME time in his administration! They propose to cut a tax? Hitler cut that SAME tax for the Germans! This guy's against immigration? Sounds like Hitler! This other guy is FOR it? Well, the way he's proposed supporting immigration is strangely similar to how Hitler did it...

Seriously, Hitler is overdone; he's not unique, all things considered. There's been tons of totalitarian leaders who have exterminated their enemies and had racist policies. Why is Hitler considered the only bad thing to have ever happened to the world?

I don't like Trump much either, but he's not Hitler, and we're not going to see a rise of a 4th Reich with Trump as the supreme leader if he's elected.

[ralph]

Despration, that's all it is. I think they know they've played their string out, and the public is sick and tired of their variety brand bullshit. So, what they're doing is applying Geobbels famous quote... "If you tell a lie big enough, and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained of only for such a time as the state can shield the people from the political,economic, and military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the state to use all its powers to repress dissent. For the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the state"

[glocktogo]

Man I really have to ask...does this surprise you? trump and all the other dumbasses going for POTUS say and do lot of stupid shit! Mark my words man...ALL the candidates running aren't worth a peace of sh!t.

That wasn't the question. Anything but a full throated endorsement of open borders and full entitlements for anyone who enters is akin to Hitleresque racism for leftist mental midgets like Hostin. Has that stupidity run its course yet? Sadly, I say no. Those fools who believe that are just as delusional as the GOP establishment elites who think there's a path for them to retain control. :rolleyes:

[ColtSeavers]

https://d.justpo.st/media/images/2016/01/14/everyone-i-dont-like-is-hitler-the-emotional-childs-guide-to-political-discussion-1452799024.jpg

[Firefly]

Actually, he reminds me of Jack Nicholsons Joker and old Patrick Bateman.

Like if Donald Trump asked me over to listen to some Hiey Lewis, I wouldn't go.
Otherwise
, meh

[Sensei]

Rubio & Kasich are starting to piss me off, I want a 1 on 1 race between Trump & Cruz, let the voters speak & then work to unite the party. I'm starting to think Cruz would have a shot in the general, but I do believe it would be a very close race between Hillary & Cruz. My only other worry with Cruz is if he does win, can he actually get McConnell & Ryan to work with him to fix immigration? My guess is no, because those assholes need a bully to bitch slap them into doing the right thing, they need a POTUS to go on TV and make his case to the American people like Reagan would do and (I hate to say it) Obama.

I think that ANY Republican who wins the election is likely to face a close race. The electorate is divided 40% progressive leaning, 40% conservative leaning, and 20% who think that Kim Kardashian is the First Lady.

In terms of Cruz affecting change, the Presidency is a big bully pulpit. This is especially true in the first year. Keep in mind that Cruz would not have to spend any political capital sealing the border since all he needs to do is enforce existing law. That leaves spending and tax reform on the docket. I fu<king dare Ryan and McConnell to ignore a first year budget from Cruz that includes the Mac-Penny Plan and a Flat Tax - those have 75+% approval within the GOP.

[cbx]

Nope. Let's light this bitch already.
I'm with you guys. I'm tired of the real life idiocracy. Time for a hard reset.

Maybe after a cleansing fire runs though the gov, all the heavy tit sucking, and the full time voters get their ebt cards voided..... Then, maybe, maybe we have a shot at having the country back that has had so much blood shed for her honor.

Or maybe we just end up shitty like every where else.

[Benito]

And that is the result here...and firearms forums are probably one of the places least likely to be turned off by Trump's in your face style. This guy is straight-up poison.

A few things:
1) the general electorate isn't as nitpicky as M4C'ers. That's not a slag, it's a fact. We argue over Trump not being a "real" Conservative vs Cruz. Other people's decisions are more about emotion, image, and what propaganda they've ingested.
2) even M4C'ers aren't going to be as picky when election day comes and the choice is between Satan Herself and whoever her opponent is
3) what "turns off" a firearms forum member may turn on a fence-sitter.


Trump may or may not flip flop on everything he's said, including the 2A. That remains to be seen. What I can guarantee, however, is that Hildabeast will stick by what she's always said and work tirelessly to destroy the Constitution in its entirety.

I'll take my chances with Trump.

True. Even if Trump were wrong 50% of the time (and I really don't think it would be anywhere near that high), he'd still be better than Hitlery at 100% of the time.
Hillary is programmed to destroy America, and do the bidding of whoever paid her most, in this case the Saudis. Anyone who votes for her is voting for the Islamic States of America.


And don't forget about how Trump is a womanizer, while Hillary is married to the biggest womanizer, sexual abuser, scumbag And defended him !
Tells me she's a bigger womanizer than Trump!
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At least Trump womanizes. Bill just rapes.


You're a fool if you believe that Drumpf will do what you want him to about it.

He's a bald-faced liar and New York progressive, plain and simple. The only difference between him and Hillary is that Hillary tries not to lie.



The thought of President Drumpf gives comfort to Putin, ISIS, and Rafael Correa (Ecuador's authoritarian leftist president who has done much of what Drumpf has said he wishes to do) - who are our enemies, since you've forgotten. It confuses, frightens, and angers our allies.

It seems to me that if anyone is guilty of treason, it's Drumpf and the Drumpfvolk.



At this point, we might as well.

No sense limping away from this thing....

Negative.
ISIS has been having a gay old time with their Islamist brother Hussein in charge. Him and his lackeys have been doing a great job letting ISIS get away with murder(s).
Hitlery will be the same, for it's an lack of opportunity, jobs, or oppression, what difference at this point does it make, the fault of Youtube videos, etc.
With Trump, ISIS will have a harder time infiltrating its people here, and gaining converts among those born here. Gotta shut down those Jihad Propagation Centers if you ask me.

Errrm, what? How s Trump and his supporters guilty of treason?? How have they aided the enemy?
Unlike Hillary, they are for American security, rather than unlimited invasion of the mainland.


Again, this poll is not powered to be valid. However, it seems to fall out to about what I was predicting, and it is similar to statistically valid polling from 6 weeks ago - 20-25% of conservative leaning people will not vote for Trump. I consider M4C to be a cohort of conservative leaning people.

IF Trump cannot count on even 15% of the GOP vote, he is going to make Dukakis and Mondale look like winners.

As I've stated above in response to Greg Bell's post, so much wrong with assuming M4C polling carries over to other samples or the population.


http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/07/abcs-sunny-hostin-trumps-stance-on-border-security-immigration-akin-to-hitlers-extermination-of-jews/


Monday on ABC’s “The View,” network senior legal correspondent Sunny Hostin argued there no difference between Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump’s tough tack on immigration and border security and Adolf Hitler’s extermination of the Jews in Nazi Germany.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frqHqyol88o

I have noticed that the left has been screaming "nazi", "racist", etc more so then they have in the past, do you think they know it will no longer work?

Do you think we are reaching peak leftism?

What is your take reader?

Peak Leftism? We only wish! Stupidity, unfortunately, is a renewable resource thanks to government subsidies of stupid people pumping out kids.

I did not click on that vid. Didn't want to give them the views.
I can only imagine how retarded it was. Yeah, the Hitler thing is pathetic.
Jews weren't on a Jihad to rape, enslave, murder and subjugate all non-Jews in Germany. They were just living peaceful productive lives.
The kuffars at these libtard shows will eventually face the sword and I wouldn't save them if I could. I'd sooner convert to join in on the festivites than save libtard traitors who sold us all out to the enemy.

[SteyrAUG]

A few things:
1) the general electorate isn't as nitpicky as M4C'ers. That's not a slag, it's a fact. We argue over Trump not being a "real" Conservative vs Cruz. Other people's decisions are more about emotion, image, and what propaganda they've ingested.
2) even M4C'ers aren't going to be as picky when election day comes and the choice is between Satan Herself and whoever her opponent is
3) what "turns off" a firearms forum member may turn on a fence-sitter.



True. Even if Trump were wrong 50% of the time (and I really don't think it would be anywhere near that high), he'd still be better than Hitlery at 100% of the time.
Hillary is programmed to destroy America, and do the bidding of whoever paid her most, in this case the Saudis. Anyone who votes for her is voting for the Islamic States of America.



At least Trump womanizes. Bill just rapes.



Negative.
ISIS has been having a gay old time with their Islamist brother Hussein in charge. Him and his lackeys have been doing a great job letting ISIS get away with murder(s).
Hitlery will be the same, for it's an lack of opportunity, jobs, or oppression, what difference at this point does it make, the fault of Youtube videos, etc.
With Trump, ISIS will have a harder time infiltrating its people here, and gaining converts among those born here. Gotta shut down those Jihad Propagation Centers if you ask me.

Errrm, what? How s Trump and his supporters guilty of treason?? How have they aided the enemy?
Unlike Hillary, they are for American security, rather than unlimited invasion of the mainland.



As I've stated above in response to Greg Bell's post, so much wrong with assuming M4C polling carries over to other samples or the population.



Peak Leftism? We only wish! Stupidity, unfortunately, is a renewable resource thanks to government subsidies of stupid people pumping out kids.

I did not click on that vid. Didn't want to give them the views.
I can only imagine how retarded it was. Yeah, the Hitler thing is pathetic.
Jews weren't on a Jihad to rape, enslave, murder and subjugate all non-Jews in Germany. They were just living peaceful productive lives.
The kuffars at these libtard shows will eventually face the sword and I wouldn't save them if I could. I'd sooner convert to join in on the festivites than save libtard traitors who sold us all out to the enemy.

Most hilarious thing about the left. Most felt it was their "moral duty" to elect the first black President. Now when they have the opportunity to elect the first Jewish President, complete with their leftist socialist "wet dream" agenda, suddenly it's no longer about minority status.

So who is really more like Hitler? Trump or all the Dems who are going to vote against the Jewish guy?

[AnthonyCumia]

I'm with you guys. I'm tired of the real life idiocracy. Time for a hard reset.

Maybe after a cleansing fire runs though the gov, all the heavy tit sucking, and the full time voters get their ebt cards voided..... Then, maybe, maybe we have a shot at having the country back that has had so much blood shed for her honor.

Or maybe we just end up shitty like every where else.

True....I hope we can a least have a few colonies on the moon before that happens.

[AnthonyCumia]

A few things:
1) the general electorate isn't as nitpicky as M4C'ers. That's not a slag, it's a fact. We argue over Trump not being a "real" Conservative vs Cruz. Other people's decisions are more about emotion, image, and what propaganda they've ingested.
2) even M4C'ers aren't going to be as picky when election day comes and the choice is between Satan Herself and whoever her opponent is
3) what "turns off" a firearms forum member may turn on a fence-sitter.



True. Even if Trump were wrong 50% of the time (and I really don't think it would be anywhere near that high), he'd still be better than Hitlery at 100% of the time.
Hillary is programmed to destroy America, and do the bidding of whoever paid her most, in this case the Saudis. Anyone who votes for her is voting for the Islamic States of America.

And for the Latin States of America.

Aman about the 3rd post.



At least Trump womanizes. Bill just rapes.


LOL yeah he really does just rape.





Negative.
ISIS has been having a gay old time with their Islamist brother Hussein in charge. Him and his lackeys have been doing a great job letting ISIS get away with murder(s).
Hitlery will be the same, for it's an lack of opportunity, jobs, or oppression, what difference at this point does it make, the fault of Youtube videos, etc.
With Trump, ISIS will have a harder time infiltrating its people here, and gaining converts among those born here. Gotta shut down those Jihad Propagation Centers if you ask me.

Errrm, what? How s Trump and his supporters guilty of treason?? How have they aided the enemy?
Unlike Hillary, they are for American security, rather than unlimited invasion of the mainland.

Well it if is gay they might just tie it up and throw it off the roof of a building...What too soon?

We could or we can just leave that area of the world alone, if Israel wants them dead, they can kill them, no more wars for that or any other nation.




As I've stated above in response to Greg Bell's post, so much wrong with assuming M4C polling carries over to other samples or the population.


This is true, and thank God so few people vote, can you think of what would happen if just a few more percent of low/no info voters decide to show up at the the polls?


Peak Leftism? We only wish! Stupidity, unfortunately, is a renewable resource thanks to government subsidies of stupid people pumping out kids.


Trust me it always happens, they push to hard, too far, and the walls of reality come crashing down on them.




I did not click on that vid. Didn't want to give them the views.
I can only imagine how retarded it was. Yeah, the Hitler thing is pathetic.

Trust me, you might "Elvis" your screen.



Jews weren't on a Jihad to rape, enslave, murder and subjugate all non-Jews in Germany. They were just living peaceful productive lives.
The kuffars at these libtard shows will eventually face the sword and I wouldn't save them if I could. I'd sooner convert to join in on the festivites than save libtard traitors who sold us all out to the enemy.


Most of them did, but some of them did try to over throw and create a Communist goverment German Revolution of 1918–19 and later in 1923, many of the Communist were Jewish , this was the main reason why the Nazis won, they German people saw what the Soviets were doing to the East, mass murder, engineered famines, work camps, rape camps, death camps, etcs and came to the logical conclusion that if action was not taken the Communist hordes would destroy the west and unleash the horrors of Hell upon them.

You are not alone, I will not help a leftist.

The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No."

"They had a choice, all of them. They could have followed in the footsteps of good men like my father or The Founders. Decent men who believed in a day's work for a day's pay. Instead they followed the droppings of lechers and communists and didn't realize that the trail led over a precipice until it was too late. Don't tell me they didn't have a choice. Now the whole world stands on the brink, staring down into bloody Hell, all those liberals and
intellectuals and smooth-talkers... and all of a sudden nobody can think of anything to say."

Rorschach





Most hilarious thing about the left. Most felt it was their "moral duty" to elect the first black President. Now when they have the opportunity to elect the first Jewish President, complete with their leftist socialist "wet dream" agenda, suddenly it's no longer about minority status.

So who is really more like Hitler? Trump or all the Dems who are going to vote against the Jewish guy?

Its because they are defective.

TO be honest would you vote for Sanders? Jew or not?

[Moose-Knuckle]

Well I see Godwin's Law is in effect in this thread too.


As for my vote, I wanted Rand Paul to win. Once he dropped out I voted for Cruz in the primary here. If Trump wins the nomination I will vote for him. If the RNC/GOP/RHINOs/NEOCONS broker the convention and steal the nomination from him to give to Romney or Rubio I'll vote for Trump if he runs as an Independent or if he drops out completely I'll vote for John McAfee.

[Eurodriver]

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2016/3/7/exclusive_political__0.html

Latest poll has Trump losing to Clinton in FL by 1%. Well within the margin of error and 10% are still undecided.

[djegators]

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2016/3/7/exclusive_political__0.html

Latest poll has Trump losing to Clinton in FL by 1%. Well within the margin of error and 10% are still undecided.

Actually, that poll shows Hillary losing to Trump, but beating Cruz or Rubio in FL.

[Sensei]

Actually, that poll shows Hillary losing to Trump, but beating Cruz or Rubio in FL.

Actually, the poll shows that a winner cannot be predicted. All races are well within the margin of error.

[Eurodriver]

Actually, that poll shows Hillary losing to Trump, but beating Cruz or Rubio in FL.

05:30 is PT time, not reading time. ;)

[Palmguy]

Well I see Godwin's Law is in effect in this thread too.


As for my vote, I wanted Rand Paul to win. Once he dropped out I voted for Cruz in the primary here. If Trump wins the nomination I will vote for him. If the RNC/GOP/RHINOs/NEOCONS broker the convention and steal the nomination from him to give to Romney or Rubio I'll vote for Trump if he runs as an Independent or if he drops out completely I'll vote for John McAfee.

If Trump doesn't get 1237, nothing is "stolen" from him if he doesn't end up with the nomination.

[djegators]

05:30 is PT time, not reading time. ;)

Son is a Marine...I forgive you ;)

[Koshinn]

Actually, he reminds me of Jack Nicholsons Joker and old Patrick Bateman.

Like if Donald Trump asked me over to listen to some Hiey Lewis, I wouldn't go.


Lol. That would be wise.

I feel like the choices this year are socialism or facism. Hitler or Stalin.

Cruz is kind of the only hope, and he's "a bit" too religious for me. But I'll take him over Trump and Hillary.

[TacticalSledgehammer]

Trump is still my number 1, Cruz 2, the other two which ever position you want. I'll vote Republican (if they win fairly) unless the establishment hijack the election. At that point they're no better than Hitler Clinton, and I'll vote 3rd party and wait for the revolution. F*ck those globalist pigs.

[Sensei]

If Trump doesn't get 1237, nothing is "stolen" from him if he doesn't end up with the nomination.

I'm betting that half of his supporters will not see it that way.

As we approach July, you will see a lot of movement involving the Rules Committee of the RNC since it is very possible that none of the candidates will meet the requirement of having an absolute majority of delegates in 8 states. That Rule 40 as it is called will likely have to be reset or abolished. Then comes the 2nd and 3rd round ballots where delegates are unbound by their state's primary results if nobody gets a clear majority on the 1st ballot. All of this tells me that the GOP will need truckloads of Ausol for all of the butt hurt that will happen.

[PatrioticDisorder]

I'm betting that half of his supporters will not see it that way.

As we approach July, you will see a lot of movement involving the Rules Committee of the RNC since it is very possible that none of the candidates will meet the requirement of having an absolute majority of delegates in 8 states. That Rule 40 as it is called will likely have to be reset or abolished. Then comes the 2nd and 3rd round ballots where delegates are unbound by their state's primary results if nobody gets a clear majority on the 1st ballot. All of this tells me that the GOP will need truckloads of Ausol for all of the butt hurt that will happen.

If whatever candidate wins the most delegates in the primary is not the nominee, it will be the end of the Republican Party. It's obvious to me what the establishments game plan is, they are planning a suicide but they damn well better think better of it & convince little Marco & Governor shitface to drop out and soon, so Cruz & Trump can go one on one.

[Sensei]

If whatever candidate wins the most delegates in the primary is not the nominee, it will be the end of the Republican Party. It's obvious to me what the establishments game plan is, they are planning a suicide but they damn well better think better of it & convince little Marco & Governor shitface to drop out and soon, so Cruz & Trump can go one on one.

I thought that you might say they that. The purpose of the 1237 rule is to prevent exactly what you want to happen - a candidate with a pleurality but no majority winning the nomination.

It's pretty obvious that the establishment is aiming for a brokered convention. We will know in 8 days if their plan has merit. If Trump takes FL and OH it very likely that Trump wins with 1237+ delegates, and very unlikely that a brokered convention can be forced. On the other hand, a brokered convention or a Cruz clear win it is very likely if Trump loses FL and OH. If Trump wins FL but loses OH there is a slim chance that Cruz could pull out a win or a brokered convention depending on how fast the establishment get behind him. I don't think they will since Trump has a record of playing ball with them before he ran for office while Cruz was content to flick buggers at McConnell for the past 6 years. The establishment hates Cruz a little more than Trump.

[Palmguy]

I'm betting that half of his supporters will not see it that way.

As we approach July, you will see a lot of movement involving the Rules Committee of the RNC since it is very possible that none of the candidates will meet the requirement of having an absolute majority of delegates in 8 states. That Rule 40 as it is called will likely have to be reset or abolished. Then comes the 2nd and 3rd round ballots where delegates are unbound by their state's primary results if nobody gets a clear majority on the 1st ballot. All of this tells me that the GOP will need truckloads of Ausol for all of the butt hurt that will happen.

Without a doubt.

As far as rule 40, by my count Trump sits at 5/8, Cruz 3/8, and Rubio 1/8 (assuming PR counts here, if not, 0). I'm guessing Trump makes it to 8. It seems unlikely that anyone else will, save Cruz.

By my estimates, on March 16th, Trump will need between 45-62% of outstanding delegates (depending on FL/OH), Cruz around 80%, and Rubio 86% (and that's assuming he wins Florida). Even if Rubio and Kasich drop out on 3/16, it seems reasonably plausible if not probable that no one gets 1237.




I'm curious if those who think Trump would be getting the shaft if denied the Republican nomination with a theoretical delegate count of Trump 1100, Cruz 800, Rubio 400 heading into the convention would also be upset if someone other than Hillary Clinton was sworn in as President on January 20th after a theoretical general election 3 party race ending at Clinton 260, Trump 180, Romney 88?

[glocktogo]

Without a doubt.

As far as rule 40, by my count Trump sits at 5/8, Cruz 3/8, and Rubio 1/8 (assuming PR counts here, if not, 0). I'm guessing Trump makes it to 8. It seems unlikely that anyone else will, save Cruz.

By my estimates, on March 16th, Trump will need between 45-62% of outstanding delegates (depending on FL/OH), Cruz around 80%, and Rubio 86% (and that's assuming he wins Florida). Even if Rubio and Kasich drop out on 3/16, it seems reasonably plausible if not probable that no one gets 1237.




I'm curious if those who think Trump would be getting the shaft if denied the Republican nomination with a theoretical delegate count of Trump 1100, Cruz 800, Rubio 400 heading into the convention would also be upset if someone other than Hillary Clinton was sworn in as President on January 20th after a theoretical general election 3 party race ending at Clinton 260, Trump 180, Romney 88?

In that scenario, if Cruz picked Rubio as his running mate and they pooled their 1200 total delegates, they'd be ahead of Trump's 1100. So no, that wouldn't be stealing the nomination. If Trump wins 1237 outright, and the party changes the rules or does some back room deal to take any of those delegates away, that would be stealing.

[Eurodriver]

Without a doubt.

As far as rule 40, by my count Trump sits at 5/8, Cruz 3/8, and Rubio 1/8 (assuming PR counts here, if not, 0). I'm guessing Trump makes it to 8. It seems unlikely that anyone else will, save Cruz.


Misread Rule 40.

[PatrioticDisorder]

No one has won 50% in any state.

March 15th there will begin to be many winner take all states, someone will have 8...

[PatrioticDisorder]

In that scenario, if Cruz picked Rubio as his running mate and they pooled their 1200 total delegates, they'd be ahead of Trump's 1100. So no, that wouldn't be stealing the nomination. If Trump wins 1237 outright, and the party changes the rules or does some back room deal to take any of those delegates away, that would be stealing.

That won't fly, RNC wouldn't just doom the presidency, they'd doom the house & senate along with any future of the Republican Party. The only way to do it is if you put #1 & #2 on the same ticket as P/VP. Marco can go take a shit as far as I'm concerned, pro-immigration, neocon foreign policy, pro TPP, social conservative & only passively "pro-2a" and only when it suits him (in other words I trust him as far as I can shit on 2a issues). Marco is just another RINO, I'll pass.

[jpmuscle]

Trump and Cruz just need to come together and announce Cruz as his VP pick. Push rubio out to pasture and just start taking it to Hillary.

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[Eurodriver]

March 15th there will begin to be many winner take all states, someone will have 8...

I misread it to mean that you needed 50% of the vote, not 50% of the delegates.

Florida is winner take all. Trump will win here. I've been to two rallys so far and it is off the charts. I haven't even heard of anyone campaigning here except Rubio - and his rallys are garbage.

[PatrioticDisorder]

Trump and Cruz just need to come together and announce Cruz as his VP pick. Push rubio out to pasture and just start taking it to Hillary.

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I called that months ago as my dream ticket, it would unite 95% of the party while maintaining Trump's crossover appeal and set up a potential 16 year run of fixing the damn country!

[Outlander Systems]

My folks, and all their retiree friends down there L-O-V-E Trump.


I misread it to mean that you needed 50% of the vote, not 50% of the delegates.

Florida is winner take all. Trump will win here. I've been to two rallys so far and it is off the charts. I haven't even heard of anyone campaigning here except Rubio - and his rallys are garbage.

[Phillygunguy]

I called that months ago as my dream ticket, it would unite 95% of the party while maintaining Trump's crossover appeal and set up a potential 16 year run of fixing the damn country!
Does a VP pick really matter in the general election? I doubt it

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[glocktogo]

That won't fly, RNC wouldn't just doom the presidency, they'd doom the house & senate along with any future of the Republican Party. The only way to do it is if you put #1 & #2 on the same ticket as P/VP. Marco can go take a shit as far as I'm concerned, pro-immigration, neocon foreign policy, pro TPP, social conservative & only passively "pro-2a" and only when it suits him (in other words I trust him as far as I can shit on 2a issues). Marco is just another RINO, I'll pass.

That dimwit Lindsey Graham is running around telling people they should've kicked Trump out of the GOP, but since they didn't, they need to do whatever it takes to take the nomination away from him! Of course he's still pretending he's a "conservative" too, which is further proof he's lost his damned mind. :(


Does a VP pick really matter in the general election? I doubt it

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It did when that fool McCain picked the airhead from Alaska. :rolleyes:

[djegators]

That won't fly, RNC wouldn't just doom the presidency, they'd doom the house & senate along with any future of the Republican Party.


And perhaps even more importantly, doom the Supreme Court. Already one seat up for nomination, likely two more in the next few years.

[Sensei]

Without a doubt.

As far as rule 40, by my count Trump sits at 5/8, Cruz 3/8, and Rubio 1/8 (assuming PR counts here, if not, 0). I'm guessing Trump makes it to 8. It seems unlikely that anyone else will, save Cruz.

By my estimates, on March 16th, Trump will need between 45-62% of outstanding delegates (depending on FL/OH), Cruz around 80%, and Rubio 86% (and that's assuming he wins Florida). Even if Rubio and Kasich drop out on 3/16, it seems reasonably plausible if not probable that no one gets 1237.




I'm curious if those who think Trump would be getting the shaft if denied the Republican nomination with a theoretical delegate count of Trump 1100, Cruz 800, Rubio 400 heading into the convention would also be upset if someone other than Hillary Clinton was sworn in as President on January 20th after a theoretical general election 3 party race ending at Clinton 260, Trump 180, Romney 88?

See Euro's post below yours. A candidate must win 51% of the delegates from 8 different states to win the nomination or to be eligible for the FIRST ballot at the convention. No candidate has reached this threshold in any state, and it likely that it will not happen until the first winner take all states next week.


No one has won 50% in any state.

Interestingly, a 14 year old kid predicted that no one would be able to meet the 8 state threshold required by Rule 40 in a large field of candidates. I cannot find the article now, but I recall that he predicted a scenario where the entire primary process would be a dog and pony show since nobody would be eligible for the first ballot. The nominee would then be selected in subsequent ballots where delegates are not beholden to their state's primary results.

In effect, the Rule 40 change creates selection process determined by super delegates. He also predicted tha it would be difficult to change the rule back to something more reasonable because the Rule Committee would be so fractured as to prevent the necessary 2/3 majority. It seems that there may be some merit to his theory after all - we shall see. There are more than 20 winner take all states left, so I think that someone will make the grade.

[PatrioticDisorder]

Does a VP pick really matter in the general election? I doubt it

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Sensei is (somewhat) right about a small percentage of very conservative voters staying home not voting Trump, although he's way off on the percentage IMO. Cruz as VP will bring the bulk of those people to the polls in November & the crossover voters who wouldn't look at Cruz on the top of the ticket won't give too much of a shit with him as VP. So generally I think the VP pick matters little, but if it's Trump as the candidate & he picks Cruz, I think that is the final nail in Hillary's coffin, no chance in hell of her winning.

[Sensei]

Sensei is (somewhat) right about a small percentage of very conservative voters staying home not voting Trump, although he's way off on the percentage IMO. Cruz as VP will bring the bulk of those people to the polls in November & the crossover voters who wouldn't look at Cruz on the top of the ticket won't give too much of a shit with him as VP. So generally I think the VP pick matters little, but if it's Trump as the candidate & he picks Cruz, I think that is the final nail in Hillary's coffin, no chance in hell of her winning.

It's not just the very conservatives; the progressive wing also distrusts him. However, I'll stick with my 20-25% prediction - more than enough to hand Trump his ass provided that Hillary is not campaigning from a cell (maybe then Trump could win).

Also, keep in mind that those democrats you are depending on WILL NOT vote for Republican Congressional candidates. So, the Senate control flips and the House GOP lead narrows with Trump at the head.

Gee, I wonder what kind of deals a President Trump would make with Senate Majority leader Schumer?

[PatrioticDisorder]

I'll stick with my 20-25% prediction - more than enough to hand Trump his ass provided that Hillary is not campaigning from a cell (maybe then Trump could win).

Also, keep in mind that those democrats you are depending on WILL NOT vote for Republican Congressional candidates. So, the Senate control flips and the House GOP lead narrows with Trump at the head.

We'll agree to disagree on that first part, I believe the evidence is on my side considering you're only at 17% saying the won't show on this very conservative leaning forum, and less than that will follow through push comes to shove realizing anybody is better than Hillary.

I think you are mostly right on the second point. Many of the crossover voters are old school democrats who still believe the democrats are the party of JFK, I think some of these people vote R almost across the board, the 1 issue democrat voters who will cross over I believe with still vote D, but then again that is what happened when Reagan was elected (which is why he had to work with Tip O'Neill). Even with that Hillary is not liked and turn out will be low for the democrats, playing defense with the senate it will be hard to keep. Assuming party suicide doesn't happen the house stays R Majority.

[yoni]

First I am not a fan of Trump, do some research and you will find he has had progressive ideas in the past and worse given money to support them.

So I don't trust him at all.

I am a 2 issue voter and he fails on both. Guns and Israel. But Hillary is the worse choice the country could ever make. If G-D forbid she is voted in she will make Obama seem like Reagan.

[Phillygunguy]

Trump and Cruz just need to come together and announce Cruz as his VP pick. Push rubio out to pasture and just start taking it to Hillary.

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Trump is already considering Mr sleepy

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[Phillygunguy]

Oh btw it's official
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=9819

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[glocktogo]

It's not just the very conservatives; the progressive wing also distrusts him. However, I'll stick with my 20-25% prediction - more than enough to hand Trump his ass provided that Hillary is not campaigning from a cell (maybe then Trump could win).

Also, keep in mind that those democrats you are depending on WILL NOT vote for Republican Congressional candidates. So, the Senate control flips and the House GOP lead narrows with Trump at the head.

Gee, I wonder what kind of deals a President Trump would make with Senate Majority leader Schumer?

What percentage of Democrats do you think won't saddle up for Hillary?

[AnthonyCumia]

First I am not a fan of Trump, do some research and you will find he has had progressive ideas in the past and worse given money to support them.

So I don't trust him at all.

I am a 2 issue voter and he fails on both. Guns and Israel. But Hillary is the worse choice the country could ever make. If G-D forbid she is voted in she will make Obama seem like Reagan.

Why Israel? I have to know.

[Big A]

Why Israel? I have to know.
You can't figure it out by his screen name and avatar?

[THCDDM4]

You can't figure it out by his screen name and avatar?

Yoni was the first word for "Vagina". In sanskrit.

Fun fact.

[Big A]

Yoni was the first word for "Vagina". In sanskrit.

Fun fact.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160308/0253cdb0db8cb03199e37757e3de84f8.jpg

[Sensei]

What percentage of Democrats do you think won't saddle up for Hillary?

Hillary will get 90+% of registered Democrats just like Cruz will get about the same number of registered Republicans. You may think that I'm crazy, but DO NOT under estimate the ability of the Democrats when it comes to getting out their vote. The problem for Trump and to a lesser extent Hillary is with Democrat leaning independents and liberals who typically vote democrat but are not registered per se. I see Hillary winning 75% of the Democrat leaning independents and slightly edging Trump out of the true independents.

[Averageman]

What percentage of Democrats do you think won't saddle up for Hillary?

About 25 to 35%.

[AnthonyCumia]

"GOP Leaders, Tech Execs Plot Against Trump At Secret NeoCon Island Meeting"
(http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-08/gop-leaders-tech-execs-plot-against-trump-secret-neocon-island-meeting)

More proof he is an outsider...

[PatrioticDisorder]

Hillary will get 90+% of registered Democrats just like Cruz will get about the same number of registered Republicans. You may think that I'm crazy, but DO NOT under estimate the ability of the Democrats when it comes to getting out their vote. The problem for Trump and to a lesser extent Hillary is with Democrat leaning independents and liberals who typically vote democrat but are not registered per se. I see Hillary winning 75% of the Democrat leaning independents and slightly edging Trump out of the true independents.

Hypothetically if Cruz gets your 90% if he is the nominee & Hillary gets 90% of dems, Hillary will win independents at a much higher rate against Cruz than she will Trump, not many people would dispute that.... And if that is the case Hillary wins easy, this is what has scared me the entire time.

Republicans needed to expand the party, the neocon's way of doing it was to pander on issues like immigration that are eating us alive & it's been proven it doesn't work im fact it weakens the Republican position. Trump is winning over voters by focusing on the obvious huge problems neither party has been willing to fix and not giving a **** about stupid social issues that drive a majority of the single issue democrat voters to the polls... So far I'd say Trump's strategy is brilliant & Cruz's strategy would have been brilliant with the demographics of 60 years ago but not today.

[Sensei]

Hypothetically if Cruz gets your 90% if he is the nominee & Hillary gets 90% of dems, Hillary will win independents at a much higher rate against Cruz than she will Trump, not many people would dispute that.... And if that is the case Hillary wins easy, this is what has scared me the entire time.

Actually, a lot of people dispute your assumption. Trump's approval rating among independents is -27; Cuz's is -3 among that group. I've posted this data several times in the previous thread on the election (or just Google "Trump independent approval").

Please let me know if you have some more recent data that disputes this Gallup poll and the more recent CNN poll from last week.

That is EXACTLY why Trump loses to Hillary outside of the margin of error and Cruz is in a dead heat.

[Palmguy]

See Euro's post below yours. A candidate must win 51% of the delegates from 8 different states to win the nomination or to be eligible for the FIRST ballot at the convention. No candidate has reached this threshold in any state, and it likely that it will not happen until the first winner take all states next week.



Interestingly, a 14 year old kid predicted that no one would be able to meet the 8 state threshold required by Rule 40 in a large field of candidates. I cannot find the article now, but I recall that he predicted a scenario where the entire primary process would be a dog and pony show since nobody would be eligible for the first ballot. The nominee would then be selected in subsequent ballots where delegates are not beholden to their state's primary results.

In effect, the Rule 40 change creates selection process determined by super delegates. He also predicted tha it would be difficult to change the rule back to something more reasonable because the Rule Committee would be so fractured as to prevent the necessary 2/3 majority. It seems that there may be some merit to his theory after all - we shall see. There are more than 20 winner take all states left, so I think that someone will make the grade.

Trump has reached the threshold in five states, as I stated:

SC (50/50)
AL (36/50)
GA (43/76)
MA (22/42)
TN (33/58)

Cruz:
TX (104/155)
KS (24/40)
ME (12/20)

Rubio:
PR (23/23)

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/03/rnc-rule-40-may-create-an-absurd-undemocratic-result-and-should-be-changed/

[Benito]

Oh btw it's official
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=9819


Mittens. Sabotaging the game for his puppet masters, just like in 2012.
Disgusting cuck.


Why Israel? I have to know.
I understand the Israel thing. I'm not Jewish nor Israeli, nor do I have any family that are, but Israel is an island of the civilized in a sea of savagery.
The Middle East has fallen to the Muslim savages (it is not Muslim by default) and Israel is the only thing that remains worth a damn. I am in favor of forcibly expanding Israel's borders to encompass the entire Middle East.


Hillary will get 90+% of registered Democrats just like Cruz will get about the same number of registered Republicans. You may think that I'm crazy, but DO NOT under estimate the ability of the Democrats when it comes to getting out their vote. The problem for Trump and to a lesser extent Hillary is with Democrat leaning independents and liberals who typically vote democrat but are not registered per se. I see Hillary winning 75% of the Democrat leaning independents and slightly edging Trump out of the true independents.

Don't forget first time voters. Given that most of them are either in college or consume libtard propaganda-masking-as-entertainment, they are more likely to turn into Democrats.
Cruz ain't got a hope in hell of getting these people. Trump, despite the frenzied drama and insanity of the Left, might.

If the Republicans do somehow win without Trump (impossible), and end up allowing the influx of 3rd worlders, it will be futile. Every single future election will go to the Dems thanks to their swelling voter base of Americans-on-paper, but foreigners-at-heart.
Preemptive Disclaimer 1: the above includes American-born Leftist "citizens of the world", including those who are white.
Preemptive Disclaimer 2: I am a foreign-born immigrant (redundant perhaps).

[PatrioticDisorder]

Actually, a lot of people dispute your assumption. Trump's approval rating among independents is -27; Cuz's is -3 among that group. I've posted this data several times in the previous thread on the election (or just Google "Trump independent approval").

Please let me know if you have some more recent data that disputes this Gallup poll and the more recent CNN poll from last week.

That is EXACTLY why Trump loses to Hillary outside of the margin of error and Cruz is in a dead heat.

If you believe those polls are accurate then you are very gullible. People I never thought in a million years would consider voting Republican are dead set on Trump, anectodal but it's real world & that is where I live, the real world. Outside of myself I don't know anyone personally that doesn't hate Ted Cruz. If you believe a social conservative who turns all pastor and starts quoting scripture has a prayer at winning presidency then I suspect you are indeed smoking some of that "good shit."

You can frame questions anyway you want to frame them when conducting a poll to get the results of as you wish, I don't trust any poll from CNN or Gallop... And as has been mentioned ad nauseam by myself & others, polls showed the "crazy b actor/entertainer Cowboy Reagan" losing in the polls in not only 1980 but 1984, how did that work out?

[Sensei]

Trump has reached the threshold in five states, as I stated:

SC (50/50)
AL (36/50)
GA (43/76)
MA (22/42)
TN (33/58)

Cruz:
TX (104/155)
KS (24/40)
ME (12/20)

Rubio:
PR (23/23)

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/03/rnc-rule-40-may-create-an-absurd-undemocratic-result-and-should-be-changed/

It seems that I was wrong. Thanks for the correction.

[yoni]

Yoni is my name short for Yonatan, like Jon from Jonathan. Yes I know Yoni is sanskrit for Vagina, something that I for one am glad G-D created.

Why Israel, I am a retired member of the para military police in Israel and a former Lt. Col IDF, who happened to be born and raised in the USA.

I love both my countries, and I know that if the USA goes down the tubes the whole world will suffer.

[Sensei]

:jester:
Yoni is my name short for Yonatan, like Jon from Jonathan. Yes I know Yoni is sanskrit for Vagina, something that I for one am glad G-D created.

Why Israel, I am a retired member of the para military police in Israel and a former Lt. Col IDF, who happened to be born and raised in the USA.

I love both my countries, and I know that if the USA goes down the tubes the whole world will suffer.

Oh yeah, what do you know about Israel. :jester:

[glocktogo]

Hillary will get 90+% of registered Democrats just like Cruz will get about the same number of registered Republicans. You may think that I'm crazy, but DO NOT under estimate the ability of the Democrats when it comes to getting out their vote. The problem for Trump and to a lesser extent Hillary is with Democrat leaning independents and liberals who typically vote democrat but are not registered per se. I see Hillary winning 75% of the Democrat leaning independents and slightly edging Trump out of the true independents.

I think here's where your math goes awry. I think you're wildly underestimating Hillary's "hateability" quotient. I'm absolutely not counting on anything to come of Benghazi, her emails or the Clinton Foundation sliminess. The Clinton's are the closest thing to untouchables left in the Untied States. They're teflon coated titanium. However, Hillary isn't Bill by any stretch of the imagination. Whereas he's charming and likable, she positively exudes hateful biotch. As a result, I think a higher percentage of Dem voters will be pissed at having to vote for her, if they vote for her at all. Nothing the Republicans say about her will do any damage, but what the Large "L" Liberals have and will continue to say about her will. If she gets 85% of the registered Democrats and 60% of independents, I'll be surprised. JMO, YMMV

[AnthonyCumia]

Mittens. Sabotaging the game for his puppet masters, just like in 2012.
Disgusting cuck.



They have lost the base, now they are about to loser their billionaire donors.



I understand the Israel thing. I'm not Jewish nor Israeli, nor do I have any family that are, but Israel is an island of the civilized in a sea of savagery.
The Middle East has fallen to the Muslim savages (it is not Muslim by default) and Israel is the only thing that remains worth a damn. I am in favor of forcibly expanding Israel's borders to encompass the entire Middle East.

Do you want to pay for it? Do you want to send the people of your nation to fight for them? If so great, all that we ask is you pay and you enlist. We of the West are done giving billionaires of dollars to, and fighting trillion dollar wars for the benefit of our other nations, but fact in the spying that nation does (Jonathan Pollard and the death toll that we can lay at his feet ( Current figures of deaths directly attributed to Pollard’s spying are at between 110 and 120 American CIA agents and up to 1600 top American intelligence assets that were foreign nationals for those who care)) (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/24/pollard-goes-free-over-our-dead-bodies/)

Then we get to swaying our elections and domestic politics, supporting and backing candidates and groups that advocate for multiculturalism, open borders, mass 3rd world immigration, infringements on the 1st, 2nd, 4th 8th, 9th, 10th Amendment, never mind judicial activism, and it is a not any wonder why more and more Americans are done shilling for that nation and their goverment.

We are not slaves
We are not Goyim or cattle
We are not going to serve any other nation, culture, or people as it does not advance our interests

And please to those who will read this and cry "ANTI SEMITE!" I would be saying the same thing if it was French Catholics, or Japanese Shintos who were doing the same thing.


Don't forget first time voters. Given that most of them are either in college or consume libtard propaganda-masking-as-entertainment, they are more likely to turn into Democrats.
Cruz ain't got a hope in hell of getting these people. Trump, despite the frenzied drama and insanity of the Left, might.

If the Republicans do somehow win without Trump (impossible), and end up allowing the influx of 3rd worlders, it will be futile. Every single future election will go to the Dems thanks to their swelling voter base of Americans-on-paper, but foreigners-at-heart.
Preemptive Disclaimer 1: the above includes American-born Leftist "citizens of the world", including those who are white.
Preemptive Disclaimer 2: I am a foreign-born immigrant (redundant perhaps).

At that point the deck will be so filled with imported voters we might have to think of "other ways" to restore Liberty.




Yoni is my name short for Yonatan, like Jon from Jonathan. Yes I know Yoni is sanskrit for Vagina, something that I for one am glad G-D created.

Why Israel, I am a retired member of the para military police in Israel and a former Lt. Col IDF, who happened to be born and raised in the USA.

I love both my countries, and I know that if the USA goes down the tubes the whole world will suffer.

I have never met a member of your nation who was also an America so I have to ask you a few questions.

Which one is your allegiance too?

How do you feel about the actions of the Israeli Government and Israeli back groups against the United States, its Government and the Freedoms of the American people?

[Moose-Knuckle]

I have never met a member of your nation who was also an America so I have to ask you a few questions.

It's not that uncommon.

I've known of several American born Jews who volunteered and served with distinction in the IDF and returned after their service.

[Benito]

Do you want to pay for it? Do you want to send the people of your nation to fight for them? If so great, all that we ask is you pay and you enlist. We of the West are done giving billionaires of dollars to, and fighting trillion dollar wars for the benefit of our other nations, but fact in the spying that nation does (Jonathan Pollard and the death toll that we can lay at his feet ( Current figures of deaths directly attributed to Pollard’s spying are at between 110 and 120 American CIA agents and up to 1600 top American intelligence assets that were foreign nationals for those who care)) (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/24/pollard-goes-free-over-our-dead-bodies/)

Then we get to swaying our elections and domestic politics, supporting and backing candidates and groups that advocate for multiculturalism, open borders, mass 3rd world immigration, infringements on the 1st, 2nd, 4th 8th, 9th, 10th Amendment, never mind judicial activism, and it is a not any wonder why more and more Americans are done shilling for that nation and their goverment.

We are not slaves
We are not Goyim or cattle
We are not going to serve any other nation, culture, or people as it does not advance our interests

And please to those who will read this and cry "ANTI SEMITE!" I would be saying the same thing if it was French Catholics, or Japanese Shintos who were doing the same thing.


A few points.
- I'm not advocating being cattle.
- I think that you are confusing Israel with Jews who are on the Left. They are not synonymous with each other. If you take a look within Israel, you'll see significant numbers of crazy Jewish Leftists who are like US Leftists - sympathizing with Muslim terrorist groups, wanting to weaken the border, hating the military, throwing the Nazi smear against anyone who wants to secure the country, etc.
Yes, there are a lot of Jews on the Left. There are a lot on the "Right" (I put that in quotes because anything that is not Left is lumped into the "Right").
- I don't want to pay for it, but I'd rather pay for that than all the $$ we send to the Saudi's and various Muslim enemies of humanity. It wouldn't even cost that much. Just let Israel do it's thang, don't stand in their way. Maybe feed them intel (which is already being paid for anyways).
- The Pollard thing is inexcusable. I was not aware of the dead Americans. The Cold War made for some truly insane arrangements. Us helping fund and arm Islamists who later rebranded themselves into the Taliban and AQ being one of these arrangements. These groups were responsible for tens of thousands of deaths at a minimum, including many American ones.
Ditto goes for US support of the KLA, the Bosnian Muslims, who were (and are) both terrorists, rapists, slave traffickers, drug traffickers, etc.
But I digress.
- My argument is based on American interests. Letting Israel flounder would be bad for the US. What I am saying is get out of their way, let them take care of our mutual problem.



At that point the deck will be so filled with imported voters we might have to think of "other ways" to restore Liberty.


We are indeed nearing the point of no return.

[yoni]

I don't want to divert the thread.

But grow up all governments spy against each other,i.e. revelations of Snowden.

Pollard went off reservation and was selling info to others besides Israel, which is why he served longer than any other convicted traitor.

Israel has ZERO desire to hurt America nor take away the American peoples freedom, many like me believe the Constitution is the greatest man made document in the history of the world. A document that includes many ideas found in Orthodox Judaism. Why would Jew want to hurt the best country to Jews in the history of the world. Which is why a Jew was one of the primary financial backers of the war of Independence.

If you mean the stupid liberal Jews like Sanders that have replace Torah with Marx, they are my enemy also.

By the way Trumps daughter converted Orthodox and is married to a Jew.

Now that I brought it back to Trump, can we please keep it on subject.

[AnthonyCumia]

It's not that uncommon.

I've known of several American born Jews who volunteered and served with distinction in the IDF and returned after their service.

I was lead to believe that if you reach the rank of an officer you lose your U.S citizenship?

[AnthonyCumia]

A few points.
- I'm not advocating being cattle.
- I think that you are confusing Israel with Jews who are on the Left. They are not synonymous with each other. If you take a look within Israel, you'll see significant numbers of crazy Jewish Leftists who are like US Leftists - sympathizing with Muslim terrorist groups, wanting to weaken the border, hating the military, throwing the Nazi smear against anyone who wants to secure the country, etc.
Yes, there are a lot of Jews on the Left. There are a lot on the "Right" (I put that in quotes because anything that is not Left is lumped into the "Right").
- I don't want to pay for it, but I'd rather pay for that than all the $$ we send to the Saudi's and various Muslim enemies of humanity. It wouldn't even cost that much. Just let Israel do it's thang, don't stand in their way. Maybe feed them intel (which is already being paid for anyways).
- The Pollard thing is inexcusable. I was not aware of the dead Americans. The Cold War made for some truly insane arrangements. Us helping fund and arm Islamists who later rebranded themselves into the Taliban and AQ being one of these arrangements. These groups were responsible for tens of thousands of deaths at a minimum, including many American ones.
Ditto goes for US support of the KLA, the Bosnian Muslims, who were (and are) both terrorists, rapists, slave traffickers, drug traffickers, etc.
But I digress.
- My argument is based on American interests. Letting Israel flounder would be bad for the US. What I am saying is get out of their way, let them take care of our mutual problem.



We are indeed nearing the point of no return.

We should have burned him alive for what he did but the fool in the White House freeed him for no other reason then inflicting as much harm as possible on the American nation and people as possible.

As for Israel, at best they are lose cannon, more over they do not need our support they have 300 nukes and are more then willing to fire. Sending them money so they buy our systems and sell them to China (who in turns sells them Russia, India, Pakistan and now Iran) is a pointless circle jerk that is arming more and more the world with our level of tech, and soon they will have the means to do greater harm with greater ease.

I wonder if Trump is willing to cut of arms sells?



The fires of a thousand Hells await him, Betrayal is the sin beyond forgiveness.

I don't want to divert the thread.

But grow up all governments spy against each other,i.e. revelations of Snowden.

Pollard went off reservation and was selling info to others besides Israel, which is why he served longer than any other convicted traitor.

Since that was the case why did we not have him shot?

Let me be clear, I am not saying you are or support such things, just asking a question from some one from that nation.


Israel has ZERO desire to hurt America nor take away the American peoples freedom, many like me believe the Constitution is the greatest man made document in the history of the world. A document that includes many ideas found in Orthodox Judaism.


How do you explain the many organization and individuals that support some kinds of subversive actions and ideals that seeming have ties to the Israeli goverment?



Why would Jew want to hurt the best country to Jews in the history of the world. Which is why a Jew was one of the primary financial backers of the war of Independence.


Same thing that lies in the hearts and minds of all men of all races, nations, etc, the desire to control forces and entities greater then us.


If you mean the stupid liberal Jews like Sanders that have replace Torah with Marx, they are my enemy also.


So why dont you guys speak out against them? strip away their ability to hide behind the "I am Jewish and you are Anti Semitic for even disagreeing with me" card?

Admit it they are rather annoying and make you guys look very bad as awhile as well being total wet blankets.


Now back to Trump, Does anyone else think he is just the beginning of a restoration of the Right, a purge of the Globalist/Neo con and a reclamation of the JBS/Liberty mind Patriots?

[brickboy240]

Anybody else highly bothered by this "secret meeting" on that island in GA, by all of those 1%'ers?

The meeting where they basically were trying to decide what to do about the Trump thing?

I would be equally as disturbed if this was a secret meeting by 1%'ers where they were trying to decide what to do about the Sanders issue, as well.

The idea that elites meet in secret to thwart the will of the voting public is very unsettling....sorry.

[glocktogo]

Anybody else highly bothered by this "secret meeting" on that island in GA, by all of those 1%'ers?

The meeting where they basically were trying to decide what to do about the Trump thing?

I would be equally as disturbed if this was a secret meeting by 1%'ers where they were trying to decide what to do about the Sanders issue, as well.

The idea that elites meet in secret to thwart the will of the voting public is very unsettling....sorry.

There have been secret 1% meetings since the Revolution. They've always tipped the scales, with hands heavy with riches and power. The only difference now is that we have the technological capability to expose them for what they are. The best you can hope for is that come the 2nd Revolution, someone's keeping a list and checking it twice...

[austinN4]

Anybody else highly bothered by this "secret meeting" on that island in GA, by all of those 1%'ers?
The meeting where they basically were trying to decide what to do about the Trump thing?

I thought I remembered reading that it was a regular scheduled periodic meeting that devolved into the Trump discussion.

[djegators]

Anybody else highly bothered by this "secret meeting" on that island in GA, by all of those 1%'ers?

The meeting where they basically were trying to decide what to do about the Trump thing?

I would be equally as disturbed if this was a secret meeting by 1%'ers where they were trying to decide what to do about the Sanders issue, as well.

The idea that elites meet in secret to thwart the will of the voting public is very unsettling....sorry.

I thought one of the reasons to oppose Trump was that he was actually a part of this elite group?

[glocktogo]

I thought one of the reasons to oppose Trump was that he was actually a part of this elite group?

I don't think so? Being rich isn't an automatic buy-in with these people.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Anybody else highly bothered by this "secret meeting" on that island in GA, by all of those 1%'ers?

The meeting where they basically were trying to decide what to do about the Trump thing?

I would be equally as disturbed if this was a secret meeting by 1%'ers where they were trying to decide what to do about the Sanders issue, as well.

The idea that elites meet in secret to thwart the will of the voting public is very unsettling....sorry.


New York City Mayor John F. Hylan in 1922 . . .


The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government, which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation. To depart from mere generalizations, let me say that at the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as the international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes.

They practically control both parties, write political platforms, make catspaws of party leaders, use the leading men of private organizations, and resort to every device to place in nomination for high public office only such candidates as will be amenable to the dictates of corrupt big business.

These international bankers and Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests control the majority of the newspapers and magazines in this country. They use the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of office public officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government. It operates under cover of a self-created screen [and] seizes our executive officers, legislative bodies, schools, courts, newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.

[PatrioticDisorder]

Limbaugh just read a story attempting to explain Trump's popularity, specifically with evangelicals. It was a story about research that had been previously done, found out 1/3 of evangelicals are pro-choice & for the vast majority of evangelicals, social issues mattered little.

This just reinforces my hypothesis regarding Trump's strategy, target the big issues & ignore the social issues (or gloss over them briefly). The idiot establishment's strategy has been pander to evangelicals by pushing social issues, pander to Hispanics thinking they'll get the vote by kissing ass letting in illegals (and satisfying their donor's cravings for cheap labor) while keeping the government nice & fat, "compassionate conservatism" (more pandering) and NEOCON foreign policy. It's almost like Trump is diametrically opposed to them on almost every issue while being in the same party, yet he is far from a liberal democrat.

[glocktogo]

Limbaugh just read a story attempting to explain Trump's popularity, specifically with evangelicals. It was a story about research that had been previously done, found out 1/3 of evangelicals are pro-choice & for the vast majority of evangelicals, social issues mattered little.

This just reinforces my hypothesis regarding Trump's strategy, target the big issues & ignore the social issues (or gloss over them briefly). The idiot establishment's strategy has been pander to evangelicals by pushing social issues, pander to Hispanics thinking they'll get the vote by kissing ass letting in illegals (and satisfying their donor's cravings for cheap labor) while keeping the government nice & fat, "compassionate conservatism" (more pandering) and NEOCON foreign policy. It's almost like Trump is diametrically opposed to them on almost every issue while being in the same party, yet he is far from a liberal democrat.

It's not because he's a bourgeois capitalist pig, it's because he's a bourgeois capitalist pig who doesn't pretend to be otherwise. :rolleyes:

[tb-av]

I thought one of the reasons to oppose Trump was that he was actually a part of this elite group?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai_imjgKPas.......

[Benito]

Now back to Trump, Does anyone else think he is just the beginning of a restoration of the Right, a purge of the Globalist/Neo con and a reclamation of the JBS/Liberty mind Patriots?

Gawd damn, I certainly hope so, and as far as my low brow peasant ass can tell, he is the closest thing available to that. If I were him, I would hire 1000 bodyguards, food tasters, and roll in a Pope-Mobile.

[djegators]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai_imjgKPas.......

Perfect. We been living with Bushwood with the GOP for long enough.

[AnthonyCumia]

New York City Mayor John F. Hylan in 1922 . . .

http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Screen-Shot-2015-04-24-at-10.47.42-AM.jpg

[yoni]

I will post one last time in regards to being a Jew and an Israeli. I was an officer and was well known to people in the USA government that had anti terror responsibilities some of them even had badges and could have arrested me if I were breaking an USA laws. Never got arrested.

I have stronger feeling than any of you regarding the leftist scum that left Judaism for liberal crap that will remove Constitutional rights or impose painful taxes from their progressive ideas. I am more conservative than maybe 90% of the people in the USA and maybe on this form. I have a graduate degree and know how far this great country has strayed .

Israel can't sell any weapons without USA approval. The aid Israel receives from the USA, is not aid money but corporate welfare, for the military industrial complex in the USA. Israel canceled the Lavi our fighter jet because the USA told Israel to do so.

My loyalty, how do you measure it ? My spilled blood while in uniform, then guess what the USA wins by a mile.

[AnthonyCumia]

Gawd damn, I certainly hope so, and as far as my low brow peasant ass can tell, he is the closest thing available to that. If I were him, I would hire 1000 bodyguards, food tasters, and roll in a Pope-Mobile.

I would not leave the White House unless need be, they are gunning for him, they are just watching to see if they run out of 'soft options".

[Sensei]

I think here's where your math goes awry. I think you're wildly underestimating Hillary's "hateability" quotient. I'm absolutely not counting on anything to come of Benghazi, her emails or the Clinton Foundation sliminess. The Clinton's are the closest thing to untouchables left in the Untied States. They're teflon coated titanium. However, Hillary isn't Bill by any stretch of the imagination. Whereas he's charming and likable, she positively exudes hateful biotch. As a result, I think a higher percentage of Dem voters will be pissed at having to vote for her, if they vote for her at all. Nothing the Republicans say about her will do any damage, but what the Large "L" Liberals have and will continue to say about her will. If she gets 85% of the registered Democrats and 60% of independents, I'll be surprised. JMO, YMMV

My math is based on the available data which is a snapshot in time at this moment. Here is some more data that was released today in the form of an NBC/WSJ poll:

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/how-trump-rubio-cruz-would-fare-against-clinton-november-n534191

Hillary Clinton kicks the sh!t out of Trump by double digits. Her margin of victory is based on a more than 10 point advantage with independents. It gets worse - Sanders beats Trump by 18 points...Bernie - Fu<cking - Sanders...let that sink in a bit.

You can tell me what you think and feel about who will show up for the election. You can also tell me how Trump will close that gap with his media savvy and Jedi mind tricks. You can even tell me how those polls are biased and under present conservatives (just like people did when polls had Romney trailing Obama). What I'm telling you is the best available data at this moment in no way supports you emotions and estimations. That data, right now, says that you had better prepare for the likely possibility that Trump will lose to whoever the Dems nominate AND he will take the Senate down with him.

[PatrioticDisorder]

My math is based on the available data which is a snapshot in time at this moment. Here is some more data that was released today in the form of an NBC/WSJ poll:

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/how-trump-rubio-cruz-would-fare-against-clinton-november-n534191

Hillary Clinton kicks the sh!t out of Trump by double digits. Here margin of victory is based on a more than 10 point advantage with independents. It gets worse - Sanders beats Trump by 18 points.

You can tell me what you think and feel about who will show up for the election. You can also tell me how Trump will close that gap with his media savie and Jedi mind tricks. What I'm telling you is the best available data at this moment in now way supports you emotions and estimation. That data, right now, says that you had better prepare for the likely possibility that Trump will lose to whoever the Dems nominate AND he will take the Senate down with him.

I'm looking forward to seeing you eat crow on Election Day. Polls showed Hillary smoking Bernie in Michigan too, how'd that work out? Reverse Bradley effect applies with Trump, guarandamtee it.

[SteyrAUG]

I'm looking forward to seeing you eat crow on Election Day. Polls showed Hillary smoking Bernie in Michigan too, how'd that work out? Reverse Bradley effect applies with Trump, guarandamtee it.

Is that really necessary? What will happen on election day is what will happen. Some people are "hoping" this will happen, some people are "hoping" that will happen and the only thing that has been reliable so far is polls being about as reliable as opinions.

If somebody is hoping their candidate wins, and they don't, why would anyone want to see them eat crow? Not everyone wants the same thing as everyone else.

[SteyrAUG]

My math is based on the available data which is a snapshot in time at this moment. Here is some more data that was released today in the form of an NBC/WSJ poll:

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/how-trump-rubio-cruz-would-fare-against-clinton-november-n534191

Hillary Clinton kicks the sh!t out of Trump by double digits. Her margin of victory is based on a more than 10 point advantage with independents. It gets worse - Sanders beats Trump by 18 points...Bernie - Fu<cking - Sanders...let that sink in a bit.

You can tell me what you think and feel about who will show up for the election. You can also tell me how Trump will close that gap with his media savvy and Jedi mind tricks. You can even tell me how those polls are biased and under present conservatives (just like people did when polls had Romney trailing Obama). What I'm telling you is the best available data at this moment in no way supports you emotions and estimations. That data, right now, says that you had better prepare for the likely possibility that Trump will lose to whoever the Dems nominate AND he will take the Senate down with him.

I honestly don't see Cruz ever beating Hillary in a general election given his views on abortion. She will make the entire election about abortion rights and that will be the end of that. Currently there are no polls regarding Hillary vs. Cruz after she has made the theme of the election "women's rights."

[Sensei]

I'm looking forward to seeing you eat crow on Election Day. Polls showed Hillary smoking Bernie in Michigan too, how'd that work out? Reverse Bradley effect applies with Trump, guarandamtee it.

Relax Hommie, I'm not the only one who talks about polls. For the past 3 months, I couldn't find a TV station that didn't have Trump bragging about how he was leading in the polls. I suppose we know why he's not so bullish on the general election.

Having said that, I'll gladly take your crow and raise you a bite of the shit sandwich that Trump is fix'en if the polls are correct. ;)

[Sensei]

I honestly don't see Cruz ever beating Hillary in a general election given his views on abortion. She will make the entire election about abortion rights and that will be the end of that. Currently there are no polls regarding Hillary vs. Cruz after she has made the theme of the election "women's rights."

The same data that shows Trump losing big shows Cruz tied with Clinton as of today. That data has been fairly consistent for several weeks. Also, Cruz's position on abortion is identical to Trump's (as of today), but you already knew that because we covered this ground last month...and the month before...

[PatrioticDisorder]

I honestly don't see Cruz ever beating Hillary in a general election given his views on abortion. She will make the entire election about abortion rights and that will be the end of that. Currently there are no polls regarding Hillary vs. Cruz after she has made the theme of the election "women's rights."

Perhaps my comments were misconstrued, to clarify I'll vote for Ronald McDonald if he is on the ballot against Hillary (unless the RNC subverts the will of the people). On the issues I probably agree with Cruz on the most, but I don't see him nesting Hillary, I also think he is not a leader or should I say his leadership is not what we need right now. If Trump builds the Great Wall of America and deports millions of illegals he'll have succeeded. My comments were not personal, just pointing out I not only hope but believe Sensei is misguided following the polls he is following. Bottom line, I want to see Hillary defeated.

[PatrioticDisorder]

I honestly don't see Cruz ever beating Hillary in a general election given his views on abortion. She will make the entire election about abortion rights and that will be the end of that. Currently there are no polls regarding Hillary vs. Cruz after she has made the theme of the election "women's rights."

Bingo, this is what I've been pointing out about Trump. He defused much of Hillary's fair weather base by not focusing on social issues. He is going to steal part of her base based on his immigration stance. Cruz's strategy was to get the conservatives who stayed home in 2012 while allowing Clinton to get a boost from her base based on the social issues. Cruz's strategy would make much more sense if it were 50-60 years ago, before we had the immigration boom.... Hence why the wall & deporting illegals is vitally important, everything else is academic if we don't fix immigration.

[Phillygunguy]

Sorry to go off topic But if Trump is going to loose as of today, and Cruz is too conservative, to beat Hillary, is this just a hopeless situation ? And if it is shouldn't we be focused on a convention of states?

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[Dist. Expert 26]

Sorry to go off topic But if Trump is going to loose as of today, and Cruz is too conservative, to beat Hillary, is this just a hopeless situation ? And if it is shouldn't we be focused on a convention of states?

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What we need to focus on is using Article 5 to impose term limits on congress. If, by some miracle, we could do that the entire house of cards will begin to fall. With fresh delegates every few years whatever tyrant occupies the White House will be borderline irrelevant.

[Firefly]

Remember that move the Patriot?

"One tyrant a thousand miles away or a thousand tyrants one mile away"

Yep..

[Linebacker]

Sorry to go off topic But if Trump is going to loose as of today, and Cruz is too conservative, to beat Hillary, is this just a hopeless situation ? And if it is shouldn't we be focused on a convention of states?

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We are in good shape with either Cruz or Trump. The GOP only wins elections with conservatives. Case in point, McCain and Romney. It is the Repulican's election to lose. 2016 is a wave election cycle...

[Dist. Expert 26]

Remember that move the Patriot?

"One tyrant a thousand miles away or a thousand tyrants one mile away"

Yep..

One tyrant in the White House is a snake head without a body. It can still bite, but it can't catch anything on it's own. Let's cut the head off and watch the body squirm as it dies.

[AnthonyCumia]

Bingo, this is what I've been pointing out about Trump. He defused much of Hillary's fair weather base by not focusing on social issues. He is going to steal part of her base based on his immigration stance. Cruz's strategy was to get the conservatives who stayed home in 2012 while allowing Clinton to get a boost from her base based on the social issues. Cruz's strategy would make much more sense if it were 50-60 years ago, before we had the immigration boom.... Hence why the wall & deporting illegals is vitally important, everything else is academic if we don't fix immigration.

Also reducing legal immigration as well, no point in stopping illegal immigration if we are just going to allow them in legally, time to repeal that mistake know as the Immigration Act of 1965 and replace it with an update 1924 Immigration Act.

[Sensei]

We are in good shape with either Cruz or Trump. The GOP only wins elections with conservatives. Case in point, McCain and Romney. It is the Repulican's election to lose. 2016 is a wave election cycle...

The reason why Trump will fail is that he is not conservative. He makes the same mistake as McCain and Romney in that he tries to be mix conservative and progressive polices into some populist crap that is supposed to be catnip to moderate voters. For example, his view on illegal immigration is conservative with strict boarder enforcement; his view on legal immigration issues like H1-B visas is populist. The same can be said for his economic package - tax cuts are conservative, entitlement spending is populist or even progressive by my standards.

The problem with this approach is that it comes across as unprincipled pandering to conservatives. At the same times, his populism cannot compete with the Santa Claus mentality of the left. For example, Trump offers to cover everybody with healthcare, but Bernie and Hillary offer to pay for their healthcare with house calls and college tuition. People who are susceptible to such promises are not deep thinkers; they are going to vote for the candidate who promises the most free shit and that will be the Democratic candidate. Meanwhile conservatives and real moderates are left wondering what the hell he was thinking for offering free healthcare in the first place.

Finally, the fact that you mistake Trump for conservative is why I won't vote for him. If elected, he will sell his populism as conservatism and redefine what it means to be conservative toward progressivism and statism. GWB tried this with his "compassionate convervatism" and we are still paying the price 8 years later. I think that America can survive 4-8 years of further Republican decline if Hillary wins. It cannot survive if we continue to replace traditional conservative values of limited government with Trump's rebranded progressivism.

[Phillygunguy]

The reason why Trump will fail is that he is not conservative. He makes the same mistake as McCain and Romney in that he tries to be mix conservative and progressive polices into some populist crap that is supposed to be catnip to moderate voters. For example, his view on illegal immigration is conservative with strict boarder enforcement; his view on legal immigration issues like H1-B visas is populist. The same can be said for his economic package - tax cuts are conservative, entitlement spending is populist or even progressive by my standards.

The problem with this approach is that it comes across as unprincipled pandering to conservatives. At the same times, his populism cannot compete with the Santa Claus mentality of the left. For example, Trump offers to cover everybody with healthcare, but Bernie and Hillary offer to pay for their healthcare with house calls and college tuition. People who are susceptible to such promises are not deep thinkers; they are going to vote for the candidate who promises the most free shit and that will be the Democratic candidate. Meanwhile conservatives and real moderates are left wondering what the hell he was thinking for offering free healthcare in the first place.

Finally, the fact that you mistake Trump for conservative is why I won't vote for him. If elected, he will sell his populism as conservatism and redefine what it means to be conservative toward progressivism and statism. GWB tried this with his "compassionate convervatism" and we are still paying the price 8 years later. I think that America can survive 4-8 years of further Republican decline if Hillary wins. It cannot survive if we continue to replace traditional conservative values of limited government with Trump's rebranded progressivism.
There's no way in Hell America can survive 4-8 years of Hillary. If she wins she gets to appoint up to 3 supreme court justices, She will push for and get another assault weapons ban, I don't know about you but I'm not willing to give up any guns. we will be stuck with Obama care and taxed to death, illegal immigrants will be the majority and even if the republicans keep the house and Senate they will let her get away with anything like they did Obama. There is no coming back.

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[tb-av]

There's no way in Hell America can survive 4-8 years of Hillary.

That's all anyone needs to know right there. Go vote against Hillary for whomever is NOT Hillary and CAN win.

Then fill out this form and go have a beer or two.

http://www.evilmilk.com/galleries/overflow-138/overflow-15.jpg

[The Dumb Gun Collector]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pji_IX-UacM

[SteyrAUG]

The same data that shows Trump losing big shows Cruz tied with Clinton as of today. That data has been fairly consistent for several weeks. Also, Cruz's position on abortion is identical to Trump's (as of today), but you already knew that because we covered this ground last month...and the month before...

I don't think Trump is quite as fundamental about abortion, and more importantly, most public perception is along those lines, but rather you and I trade opinion, let's do an actual comparison.

Donald Trump on Abortion


Defund Planned Parenthood. (Oct 2015)
Planned Parenthood is important, but abortions must stop. (Aug 2015)
I have evolved on abortion issue, like Reagan evolved. (Aug 2015)
Ban late abortions; exceptions for rape, incest or health. (Jun 2015)
I am now pro-life; after years of being pro-choice. (Apr 2011)
I changed my views to pro-life based on personal stories. (Apr 2011)
I am pro-life; fight ObamaCare abortion funding. (Feb 2011)
Pro-choice, but ban partial birth abortion. (Jul 2000)
Favors abortion rights but respects opposition. (Dec 1999)

Ted Cruz on Abortion

Companies can deny insuring birth control. (Apr 2012)
Protect innocent human life with partial-birth ban. (Jul 2011)
Opposes public abortion funding. (Oct 2012)
Opposes churches providing birth control. (Oct 2012)

In addition, Ted also has some "gay rights" luggage, especially after visiting Kim Davis. For Trump abortion is a political position, for Cruz abortion is a religious position.

And again, current polls are meaningless. All those numbers will be thrown out the window if Hillary can make the election about women's rights, abortion or even gay rights.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Remember that move the Patriot?

"One tyrant a thousand miles away or a thousand tyrants one mile away"

Yep..

I had an ancestor who fought under the command of Fancis Marion (in both the The French and Indian War as well as The Revolutionary War) which the character of Benjamin Martin is based upon. The studio and film makers didn't want to use his name due to political correctness.


But yeah . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-BQi0JjY2w

[AnthonyCumia]

I don't think Trump is quite as fundamental about abortion, and more importantly, most public perception is along those lines, but rather you and I trade opinion, let's do an actual comparison.

Donald Trump on Abortion


Defund Planned Parenthood. (Oct 2015)
Planned Parenthood is important, but abortions must stop. (Aug 2015)
I have evolved on abortion issue, like Reagan evolved. (Aug 2015)
Ban late abortions; exceptions for rape, incest or health. (Jun 2015)
I am now pro-life; after years of being pro-choice. (Apr 2011)
I changed my views to pro-life based on personal stories. (Apr 2011)
I am pro-life; fight ObamaCare abortion funding. (Feb 2011)
Pro-choice, but ban partial birth abortion. (Jul 2000)
Favors abortion rights but respects opposition. (Dec 1999)

Ted Cruz on Abortion

Companies can deny insuring birth control. (Apr 2012)
Protect innocent human life with partial-birth ban. (Jul 2011)
Opposes public abortion funding. (Oct 2012)
Opposes churches providing birth control. (Oct 2012)

In addition, Ted also has some "gay rights" luggage, especially after visiting Kim Davis. For Trump abortion is a political position, for Cruz abortion is a religious position.

And again, current polls are meaningless. All those numbers will be thrown out the window if Hillary can make the election about women's rights, abortion or even gay rights.

Those issues are meaningless, let business and churches decide for themselves as is protected by the 1st Amendment, as for abortion, as ****ed as is it sounds it does keep the population of future Democratic voters down. The way we can avoid that is to hand out free birth control which is cheaper in the long run.

[AnthonyCumia]

I had an ancestor who fought under the command of Fancis Marion (in both the The French and Indian War as well as The Revolutionary War) which the character of Benjamin Martin is based upon. The studio and film makers didn't want to use his name due to political correctness.


But yeah . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-BQi0JjY2w

Even then and on this subject the tyranny of the minority regains...Great movie by the way, some theaters had is playing after 9/11...It was packed and awesome.

[AnthonyCumia]

I had an ancestor who fought under the command of Fancis Marion (in both the The French and Indian War as well as The Revolutionary War) which the character of Benjamin Martin is based upon. The studio and film makers didn't want to use his name due to political correctness.


But yeah . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-BQi0JjY2w

Even then and on this subject the tyranny of the minority regains...Great movie by the way, some theaters had is playing after 9/11...It was packed and awesome.

[SteyrAUG]

Those issues are meaningless, let business and churches decide for themselves as is protected by the 1st Amendment, as for abortion, as ****ed as is it sounds it does keep the population of future Democratic voters down. The way we can avoid that is to hand out free birth control which is cheaper in the long run.

Might be meaningless to you, and I might agree with your view on the matter, but that doesn't mean millions of Obama voters can't get stirred up when Hillary makes it the defining issue of the election.

[Eurodriver]

I love all of this bickering as if Trump isn't going to win the nomination.

Whether you agree or not, you're out of your mind if you think anyone else has a shot.

So now what?

[Phillygunguy]

That's all anyone needs to know right there. Go vote against Hillary for whomever is NOT Hillary and CAN win.

Then fill out this form and go have a beer or two.

http://www.evilmilk.com/galleries/overflow-138/overflow-15.jpg
Well then you better get used to another 4-8 years of panic buying, ammo shortages, writing your legislators, registering your guns, watch your guns become illegal, and pray the police never show up at your house for whatever reason and ask if you have any guns. Then you'll be real Butt hurt from bubba

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[Sensei]

I love all of this bickering as if Trump isn't going to win the nomination.

Whether you agree or not, you're out of your mind if you think anyone else has a shot.

So now what?

Prepare to defend yourself.

[yoni]

Gentlemen and Women may I suggest that the United States of America didn't get in this mess in a single election cycle. It took the country a long time to get so messed up, I am not sure if it matters that the start of the decline is given a date or we just know it has declined.

I am not a Trump supporter for the following reasons, I have no clear idea of who he is. Are his positions of 5 years ago his positions on issues or is his position those he has stated on his web page for President?

I really don't know his position on guns, abortion, homosexuality, or anything else.

On the other side of the coin, we have a socialist-commie in the form of a self hating Jew, in my book the lowest scum around.

Then we have Hilary, one of the foulest people I ever been around. I was close to her on several occasions when Bill and her visited Israel. She is also more radical than obama in her heart.

I am not sure American can be saved at this point in time by an election. However I am damn sure that if Hilary get's elected it will be over by the time she is done.

If Trump get's the nomination and the GOP doesn't play tricks on him at the convention or by sabotaging his campaign through the death of a 1000 cuts i.e. Trump is for sure technically dirty. You can't do business outside of the USA as an America and not break stupid American laws. The GOP will leak dozens of allegations against Trump. Trust me I know, what it is to run a company as an American outside of the USA, a big pain in the rear to try and comply with hundreds of stupid laws.

So in closing I will vote Trump, not that I support him but as a no vote to Hilary.

[Eurodriver]

Prepare to defend yourself.

From what, exactly?

The fact that trump is going to be the nominee (again, you're fooling yourself if you don't see it) or from the hordes of rioters after his disastrous presidency?

Trump is going to win all 5 states on Tuesday. He'll win California. He'll win a bunch in between. He will get the majority.

Again, So now what? We will have a trump nominee. Do we support him or let Hillary have it

[djegators]

From what, exactly?

The fact that trump is going to be the nominee (again, you're fooling yourself if you don't see it) or from the hordes of rioters after his disastrous presidency?

Trump is going to win all 5 states on Tuesday. He'll win California. He'll win a bunch in between. He will get the majority.

Again, So now what? We will have a trump nominee. Do we support him or let Hillary have it

I guess Trump not being the nominee is slightly more likely than Hillary being indicted.....but I doubt either happens.

[Sensei]

From what, exactly?

The fact that trump is going to be the nominee (again, you're fooling yourself if you don't see it) or from the hordes of rioters after his disastrous presidency?

Trump is going to win all 5 states on Tuesday. He'll win California. He'll win a bunch in between. He will get the majority.

Again, So now what? We will have a trump nominee. Do we support him or let Hillary have it

Prepare for the strong possibility that Trump will lose the general election to any Democrat nominee. I've posted plenty of evidence that supports this position, and I have no confidence that he will be able to close that gap.

[Averageman]

I love all of this bickering as if Trump isn't going to win the nomination.

Whether you agree or not, you're out of your mind if you think anyone else has a shot.

So now what?

The logical part of "So now what." would be for the GOP to sit down and have a meeting and work with Trump.
Even Vito Corleone could sit down with his enemies and hash out a deal to keep everything running smooth to the mutual advantage of everyone involved.
They ( The old Dead Elephants) are acting like spoiled children and it is time to wake up and kick Karl Rove, Mitt Romney and John F'ing McCain in the nuts and rebuild a party that is electable, functional and can lead America.

[Sensei]

I don't think Trump is quite as fundamental about abortion, and more importantly, most public perception is along those lines, but rather you and I trade opinion, let's do an actual comparison.

Donald Trump on Abortion


Defund Planned Parenthood. (Oct 2015)
Planned Parenthood is important, but abortions must stop. (Aug 2015)
I have evolved on abortion issue, like Reagan evolved. (Aug 2015)
Ban late abortions; exceptions for rape, incest or health. (Jun 2015)
I am now pro-life; after years of being pro-choice. (Apr 2011)
I changed my views to pro-life based on personal stories. (Apr 2011)
I am pro-life; fight ObamaCare abortion funding. (Feb 2011)
Pro-choice, but ban partial birth abortion. (Jul 2000)
Favors abortion rights but respects opposition. (Dec 1999)

Ted Cruz on Abortion

Companies can deny insuring birth control. (Apr 2012)
Protect innocent human life with partial-birth ban. (Jul 2011)
Opposes public abortion funding. (Oct 2012)
Opposes churches providing birth control. (Oct 2012)

In addition, Ted also has some "gay rights" luggage, especially after visiting Kim Davis. For Trump abortion is a political position, for Cruz abortion is a religious position.

And again, current polls are meaningless. All those numbers will be thrown out the window if Hillary can make the election about women's rights, abortion or even gay rights.

You start a post with what you think and then tell me to put aside opinion?

OK, I'll play your game. It appears from your quote that you think Dems will go easy on Trump's abortion stance because he is soft on the issue, having recently been prochoice. Does that mean that the Dems will go easy on Trump's current pro-Second Amendment stance because he once favored AWB's? Will he be soft on that issue too?

Finally, if Cruz's abortion stance is such a stigma with moderate democrats and independents, why is he in a statistical dead heat with Hillary while Trump is getting his ass beat in part due to losses in the exact demographic that you describe? Keep in mind these are likely voters who are well aware of each candidate's position on abortion.

It is convenient for you to dismiss polls as insignificant when they do not support your assumptions. Having said that, try to find some actual data that supports your assumptions instead of telling us how you think things will change.

[Sensei]

The logical part of "So now what." would be for the GOP to sit down and have a meeting and work with Trump.
Even Vito Corleone could sit down with his enemies and hash out a deal to keep everything running smooth to the mutual advantage of everyone involved.
They ( The old Dead Elephants) are acting like spoiled children and it is time to wake up and kick Karl Rove, Mitt Romney and John F'ing McCain in the nuts and rebuild a party that is electable, functional and can lead America.

Oh, I'm sure that Trump will be working out a lot of deals. You don't need to worry about that.

That is what you want, right? Statists working out deals...

[Singlestack Wonder]

Prepare for the strong possibility that Trump will lose the general election to any Democrat nominee. I've posted plenty of evidence that supports this position, and I have no confidence that he will be able to close that gap.

Guess it depends on which poll one is looking at...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/08/poll-trump-beats-hillary-in-general-election-match-up/

[chuckman]

I will hold my nose and vote for him. He's bombastic and arrogant....

I said almost this exact thing to my wife this morning.....

[chuckman]

Prepare for the strong possibility that Trump will lose the general election to any Democrat nominee. I've posted plenty of evidence that supports this position, and I have no confidence that he will be able to close that gap.

This used to be a foregone conclusion, but there's some poling data that is interesting. One model shows blue dog/blue collar dems voting for Trump, and most indies voting for Trump. If this is the case a lot of states that are traditionally Blue could go to Trump. Because Bernie is doing so well there is every indication that the dems are not nearly as warm about Clinton as the media would have us believe.

Of course, that could all go out the window and every conservative stay home, every voter with an "R" votes for Trump, and every voter with a "D" votes for not-Trump, and the dems win.

[Averageman]

Oh, I'm sure that Trump will be working out a lot of deals. You don't need to worry about that.

That is what you want, right? Statists working out deals...

I'm less worried about the deals that the GOP could make with Trump to solidify a Win for POTUS than the deals Hillary has already made with people who have paid in to the "Clinton Foundation" while she was Secretary of State and going Nation to Nation selling us out for cash.

[Averageman]

This used to be a foregone conclusion, but there's some poling data that is interesting. One model shows blue dog/blue collar dems voting for Trump, and most indies voting for Trump. If this is the case a lot of states that are traditionally Blue could go to Trump. Because Bernie is doing so well there is every indication that the dems are not nearly as warm about Clinton as the media would have us believe.

Of course, that could all go out the window and every conservative stay home, every voter with an "R" votes for Trump, and every voter with a "D" votes for not-Trump, and the dems win.

There you go, Conservatives have a hard time seeing the long game and getting out of their own way to win it.

[Sensei]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/03/10/daily-beast-breitbart-rolls-over-after-reporter-grabbed-by-trump-aide/

Trump's campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, got a little physical with a female reporter from Breitbart of all places. Lewandowski’s explanation was that he and had never met the reporter before, and that he didn’t recognize her as a Breitbart reporter, instead mistaking her for an adversarial member of the mainstream media. You know, because it's OK to push around people who don't support your campaign...:rolleyes:

[Eurodriver]

They ( The old Dead Elephants) are acting like spoiled children and it is time to wake up and kick Karl Rove, Mitt Romney and John F'ing McCain in the nuts and rebuild a party that is electable, functional and can lead America.

That would be nice.


Prepare for the strong possibility that Trump will lose the general election to any Democrat nominee. I've posted plenty of evidence that supports this position, and I have no confidence that he will be able to close that gap.

Oh absolutely. I'm not debating that. I'm just saying Trump is going to be the nominee.

[Sensei]

That would be nice.



Oh absolutely. I'm not debating that. I'm just saying Trump is going to be the nominee.

To me, life is a game of probability. There is always a chance of wierd sh!t.

As of today, I give Trump a 75% chance. That decreases a little if Rubio and Kasich get out before this weekend and throw their support behind Cruz. I say a little because it is unclear to me if their support has enough time to shift in Cruz's direction, and their might be an advantage to Kasich staying in the race for a week just to deny Trump OH.

Trump's odds go up to 90% if he takes FL but loses OH (assuming Rubio gets out and supports Cruz immediately after his ass woop'en).

Trump's odds approach 95% if he carries FL and OH.

Even if he takes both OH and FL there is a very slim chance that Cruz could keep him from 1237.

[brickboy240]

Although I am far from a Trump fan or supporter, I still don't see why it is a lock that Hillary beats him in a general election.

There is hatred for Trump but the hatred for Hillary is compounded by the hatred many also have for her husband.

I don't see a huge outpouring of support and love for Hillary anywhere, really.

[djegators]

Although I am far from a Trump fan or supporter, I still don't see why it is a lock that Hillary beats him in a general election.

There is hatred for Trump but the hatred for Hillary is compounded by the hatred many also have for her husband.

I don't see a huge outpouring of support and love for Hillary anywhere, really.

Well, it sure doesn't help that the GOP keeps pounding on Trump...seems they are trying to make the "Trump can't win" narrative a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[brickboy240]

I have a theory that those that run the RNC really do not want to run, lead or reform a damn thing.

I would bet that many of them would be perfectly happy, being a permanent minority opposition party and nothing more. I really don't think they are conservatives at all.

No overturning Obamacare, no tightening the border, no revamping the tax code - no real meaningful reforms on anything at all. Pretty much rubber-stamp everything the Dems send down the line. This has been their M. O. pretty much since 08, has it not?

These people have shown no signs of wanting to win or lead, if you ask me.

[Sensei]

Although I am far from a Trump fan or supporter, I still don't see why it is a lock that Hillary beats him in a general election.

There is hatred for Trump but the hatred for Hillary is compounded by the hatred many also have for her husband.

I don't see a huge outpouring of support and love for Hillary anywhere, really.

There is no such thing as "a lock" and I've never said that Trump is guaranteed to lose. I am pointing out the fact that Hillary beats Trump in the majority of polls and this faith in the independent vote is likely misplaced.

[Dist. Expert 26]

I have a number of acquaintances on Facebook (I hesitate to use the term friend) that for some awful reason have decided to support Sanders. As disheartening as that is, over half of them have said they will simply stay home should Hildabeast get the nomination. People from every walk of life hate her for a plethora of reasons. Polls are polls, I'm not going to argue about numbers and so forth, but I believe that she is unelectable.

[chuckman]

To me, life is a game of probability. There is always a chance of wierd sh!t.

As of today, I give Trump a 75% chance. That decreases a little if Rubio and Kasich get out before this weekend and throw their support behind Cruz. I say a little because it is unclear to me if their support has enough time to shift in Cruz's direction, and their might be an advantage to Kasich staying in the race for a week just to deny Trump OH.

Trump's odds go up to 90% if he takes FL but loses OH (assuming Rubio gets out and supports Cruz immediately after his ass woop'en).

Trump's odds approach 95% if he carries FL and OH.

Even if he takes both OH and FL there is a very slim chance that Cruz could keep him from 1237.

I think this is pretty accurate. If Rubio and Kasich bailed and supported Cruz, this thing would be a dog fight. But IF indies are going to vote for a Republican nominee, they would most likely vote for Trump and not Cruz. That's historical. So, conversely, if Cruz is the nominee, chances are likely indies will go to the dems. Independent voters typically stay in the middle. If Cruz is the nominee, the blue dog/blue collar dems will almost certainly vote for the dem nominee. BUT, if Cruz is the nominee, I think we'll see far more far-right/conservative voters voting who would otherwise choose to not vote (rather than vote for Trump).

[Phillygunguy]

I have a number of acquaintances on Facebook (I hesitate to use the term friend) that for some awful reason have decided to support Sanders. As disheartening as that is, over half of them have said they will simply stay home should Hildabeast get the nomination. People from every walk of life hate her for a plethora of reasons. Polls are polls, I'm not going to argue about numbers and so forth, but I believe that she is unelectable.
Sorry I don't believe them. Democrats do as they're told . They don't believe in individualism they believe in collectivism. If they are told to vote for a steaming pile of dog shit they will vote for it. You can count on them voting for Hillary


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[chuckman]

Polls are polls, I'm not going to argue about numbers and so forth, but I believe that she is unelectable.

I would like to believe this, I really, really want to believe this, but with anyone named "Clinton" I think she is a threat right up until November 9.

[Benito]

Sorry I don't believe them. Democrats do as they're told . They don't believe in individualism they believe in collectivism. If they are told to vote for a steaming pile of dog shit they will vote for it. You can count on them voting for Hillary


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Yep. Anyone who supports Sanders (and I also know several of them, each single one highly educated - Master's degree at minimum, and mostly Ph.D's) is a collectivist at heart, and will vote for Hillary, for it's for the "greater good", first woman president, and whatever other nonsense they've been told.

[_Stormin_]

Sorry I don't believe them. Democrats do as they're told . They don't believe in individualism they believe in collectivism. If they are told to vote for a steaming pile of dog shit they will vote for it. You can count on them voting for Hillary

Truth... So many of them wanted Hillary last time vs Obama. I went to college with piles of them that wanted their first woman president so much more than they wanted the first black president. But when Hillary was out there was no "I'm staying home or writing in someone else," talk. They do as they're told because they actually believe that whoever emerges at the end of the process is who they must vote for.

[AnthonyCumia]

Might be meaningless to you, and I might agree with your view on the matter, but that doesn't mean millions of Obama voters can't get stirred up when Hillary makes it the defining issue of the election.

This is why voting was so strictly controlled.

[AnthonyCumia]

The logical part of "So now what." would be for the GOP to sit down and have a meeting and work with Trump.
Even Vito Corleone could sit down with his enemies and hash out a deal to keep everything running smooth to the mutual advantage of everyone involved.
They ( The old Dead Elephants) are acting like spoiled children and it is time to wake up and kick Karl Rove, Mitt Romney and John F'ing McCain in the nuts and rebuild a party that is electable, functional and can lead America.

You may be wondering to yourself, "Why in the **** would they do this and destroy their own party?" If you are, you're asking the right question. The reason why is simple, the GOP establishment and conservative intelligentsia would rather be the rulers of an emaciated, hermit kingdom GOP than surrender some of their power to the Alt-Right and Nationalist/Populist voices within their party. This is what is known as the Iron Rule of Institutions.

The Iron Rule of Institutions states that individuals in positions of power within an institution care first and foremost about their power within the institution before caring about how powerful their institution is. Another way of saying it to paraphrase Milton, "It's better to reign in Hell, than to serve in Heaven." The GOP establishment fully intends to destroy the party over Donald Trump, because they'd rather be the chariman of a destroyed political party than allow newer voices in.

[AnthonyCumia]

What we are seeing is the death of the "Establishment" of the GOP and the party being reborn as a Nationalist party, a true opposition to the Globalists Democratic Party.

If it focus on the following

Secure borders
Reduced and Capped Immigration
Sound Money
Restoring Gun Rights
Restoring States Rights
Pro American Trade Deals
Restore Freedom of Association
School Vouchers/Choices
Non Interventionism

If they do that they will have an unbeatable position.

[Singlestack Wonder]

What we are seeing is the death of the "Establishment" of the GOP and the party being reborn as a Nationalist party, a true opposition to the Globalists Democratic Party.

If it focus on the following

Secure borders
Reduced and Capped Immigration
Sound Money
Restoring Gun Rights
Restoring States Rights
Pro American Trade Deals
Restore Freedom of Association
School Vouchers/Choices
Non Interventionism

If they do that they will have an unbeatable position.

The condensed version, "Make America Great Again!"

[AnthonyCumia]

The condensed version, "Make America Great Again!"

Not hearing a down side. We can pay for welfare for millions of illegals, or we can build a wall, deport them, reduce legal immigration, and use the hundreds of billions we otherwise waste to build Lunar and Martian colonies.

Why not do that instead playing "world welfare office".

[Benito]

You may be wondering to yourself, "Why in the **** would they do this and destroy their own party?" If you are, you're asking the right question. The reason why is simple, the GOP establishment and conservative intelligentsia would rather be the rulers of an emaciated, hermit kingdom GOP than surrender some of their power to the Alt-Right and Nationalist/Populist voices within their party. This is what is known as the Iron Rule of Institutions.

The Iron Rule of Institutions states that individuals in positions of power within an institution care first and foremost about their power within the institution before caring about how powerful their institution is. Another way of saying it to paraphrase Milton, "It's better to reign in Hell, than to serve in Heaven." The GOP establishment fully intends to destroy the party over Donald Trump, because they'd rather be the chariman of a destroyed political party than allow newer voices in.

Wel said about the Iron Rule.


What we are seeing is the death of the "Establishment" of the GOP and the party being reborn as a Nationalist party, a true opposition to the Globalists Democratic Party.

If it focus on the following

Secure borders
Reduced and Capped Immigration
Sound Money
Restoring Gun Rights
Restoring States Rights
Pro American Trade Deals
Restore Freedom of Association
School Vouchers/Choices
Non Interventionism

If they do that they will have an unbeatable position.

I really hope that is true.

[Hmac]

There isn't anyone in the GOP race that I wouldn't vote for over anyone in the Democrat race.

[Eurodriver]

Hmac is consistently the voice of reason and wisdom on M4C

[crusader377]

I have a theory that those that run the RNC really do not want to run, lead or reform a damn thing.

I would bet that many of them would be perfectly happy, being a permanent minority opposition party and nothing more. I really don't think they are conservatives at all.

No overturning Obamacare, no tightening the border, no revamping the tax code - no real meaningful reforms on anything at all. Pretty much rubber-stamp everything the Dems send down the line. This has been their M. O. pretty much since 08, has it not?

These people have shown no signs of wanting to win or lead, if you ask me.

I think there is a lot of truth in this post. I think it is pretty evident in how much more concerned the establishment GOP is in defeating Trump than Hillary. The establishment GOP has put forth 10 times the effort in stopping Trump than it has stopping Obama or Hillary. End of the day, the Establishment GOP only cares about themselves and has no-principles other than keeping themselves in a position of power, influence, and wealth.

[Phillygunguy]

Just saw this
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/03/10/report-46000-pa-democrats-become-republicans-due-to-trump/
This is happening elsewhere too.
This is not good they are manipulating the primary to ensure his nomination. Then vote Hillary in the general election.
We are Doomed

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[ralph]

I think there is a lot of truth in this post. I think it is pretty evident in how much more concerned the establishment GOP is in defeating Trump than Hillary. The establishment GOP has put forth 10 times the effort in stopping Trump than it has stopping Obama or Hillary. End of the day, the Establishment GOP only cares about themselves and has no-principles other than keeping themselves in a position of power, influence, and wealth.

And that's even more of a reason that they need to go.. The days of the Mitch McConnels, Lindsey Grahams, John Mcains, are over.They sold out too many times. And, if anything the GOP may be getting the badly needed overhaul it needs, although it may cost all of us, if Thundercunt gets elected.. And if that happens, don't blame Trump, put the blame where it belongs, on the establishment Republicans. Never in my life have I seen a election where one party is perfectly willing to stab one of its own candidates in the back, and vote for the other team, to keep him from winning.. Trump is not exactly my candidate of choice, but I'll take him over Thundercunt, any day of the week.

[TacticalSledgehammer]

He's gonna tear her to shreds in the debates. That article makes some sense, but I'd also argue that the Democrats have long left their base and fallen off the cliff in leftieville. I think there's some that see her as an extension of Obama and are fed up with his policies. There's some wanting work, and he makes sense to them (He's also union friendly, but not what I'd call pro-union).

[Sensei]

Just saw this
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/03/10/report-46000-pa-democrats-become-republicans-due-to-trump/
This is happening elsewhere too.
This is not good they are manipulating the primary to ensure his nomination. Then vote Hillary in the general election.
We are Doomed

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This is being discussed by Rush right now. Apparently, the "Ditch and Switch" movement is similar to his own "Operation Chaos" back in 2008. The idea seems to have some merit as Trump over-performs in states with open primaries and under performs in closed primaries. This is why Trump over performs and Hillary under performs in states like MI - some of her supporters crossed the isle to vote for Trump.

[Phillygunguy]

He's gonna tear her to shreds in the debates. That article makes some sense, but I'd also argue that the Democrats have long left their base and fallen off the cliff in leftieville. I think there's some that see her as an extension of Obama and are fed up with his policies. There's some wanting work, and he makes sense to them (He's also union friendly, but not what I'd call pro-union).
I highly doubt it. Trump sounds like a idiot. He says the same things over and over. Plus he has no plans, build a wall let Mexico pay for it. Doesn't say how just it's going to be big beautiful wall. Nothing he can give details about.
Hillary has her own ideas and can explain them to the average Joe. She's able to articulate. Just like the Shit stain running the country

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[Phillygunguy]

This is being discussed by Rush right now. Apparently, the "Ditch and Switch" movement is similar to his own "Operation Chaos" back in 2008. The idea seems to have some merit as Trump over-performs in states with open primaries and under performs in closed primaries. This is why Hillary under performs in states like MI - some of her supports crossed the isle to vote for Trump.
Yep then they'll vote for Hillary in the general.

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[Sensei]

Yep then they'll vote for Hillary in the general.

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Tell that to the Trump supporters in this thread. PatrioticDisorder still thinks that Trump will get to 90% at the top of this page. Glocktogo and SteyrAUG think that Trump is more electable than Hillary.:rolleyes:

[Phillygunguy]

Tell that to the Trump supporters in this thread. PatrioticDisorder still thinks that Trump will get to 90% at the top of this page. Glocktogo and SteyrAUG think that Trump is more electable than Hillary.:rolleyes:
All comes down to the 270
I think our last hope for America is article V. Term limits AND get rid of the electoral vote

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[jmp45]

The ditch & switch / chaos votes will indeed switch back in the general. #Shrillery2016. The only two candidates on the right that can articulate in a debate with the witch and may have a chance is Cruz and Mario. Cruz can call her out on any issue without being a hypocrite. Cruz is golden solid on record. Trump has too much history they will use against him and I think he lacks the wit to win a debate with her. If he gets nominated the media will turn on him day 1, foxnews included. They are in the MSM club now, no different. Kasich is left leaning, common core, global warming. I don't trust him as well.