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Might as well find out...
brickboy240
03-07-16, 14:49
Voted for him in the primary.
Seriously, he is the only real conservative in the GOP race if you examine everyone's records.
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here but.........I'll vote for him. I voted for him in the KY caucus on Saturday.
..pass out in shock from disbelief.
Crow Hunter
03-07-16, 14:55
Wake up right after I vote.
I will vote early and often!
(learned from Obama voters)
I'll vote for him, but I dislike him as much as trump, just in a different way.
No one who has met Cruz likes him. No one! I read an article titled "to know Cruz is to hate him", that sounds like the basic deal with this guy. I've got to question some one that no one likes.
crusader377
03-07-16, 15:52
Trump guy here myself but I would happily vote for Cruz if he was the nominee. To put it bluntly, any conservative, right leaning, or republican who stays home if their candidate fails to legitimately win in the primaries is a "Bravo Foxtrot" and should put up a poster of Mitt Romney is His/Her bedroom. If the Hildabeast wins the election it is game over for this country and I truly believe she would make Obama look good.
Inkslinger
03-07-16, 15:54
Gag.
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Doc Safari
03-07-16, 15:56
I would vote for any Republican but Romney, Rubio, or Jeb Bush.
MountainRaven
03-07-16, 18:14
I'd rather have Bernie Stalin than Donald Drumpf and Eduardo Rafael Cruz than Hitlery Clinton (weird that the only one I used his birth name for was Cruz), but I'm still voting for McAfee.
Or I'll write-in Mattis if McAfee isn't on the ballot.
Just gonna leave this here
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I would vote for any Republican but Romney, Rubio, or Jeb Bush.
As much as I don't like to say it, I would prefer them over Clinton and/or Sanders most any day. I would prefer better Republican options than these 3.
The clown race recently would make Reagan walk off the stage in disgust.
Why did they choose to stoop to this level of conversation?
The situation isn't good and doesn't help things offering demotions vs praises. Seems like the basic premise of the power of praise Vs. the power of demotions has been skewered to to the public to demote over praises. That is a net negative that I do not "believe" is constructive in a longer term.
ANYONE is better than Clinton...
I don't like Cruz, but I would vote for him before voting for either Socialist campaigning for position on the Democratic ticket.
I'm still voting for McAfee.
WE HAVE A WINNER!!! Just when I thought I couldn't hear anyone more insane than McAfee himself, someone somehow would vote for the guy.
Here's your boy...
http://images.classicalite.com/data/images/full/2542/john-mcafee.jpg?w=600
If Cruz wins the nomination I will have no choice but to reluctantly vote for him and a futile effort to prevent Hillary from becoming President.
But if there are GOP shenanigans involved and Cruz is given the nomination, I might just walk away from the whole thing. Trump is by far a less than ideal candidate. But he's no more of a liberal with "gun ban" skeletons in his closet than Romney or McCain and I voted for both of those clowns. At least they were legit nominations, horrible choices, but still legit nominations.
MountainRaven
03-07-16, 20:47
WE HAVE A WINNER!!! Just when I thought I couldn't hear anyone more insane than McAfee himself, someone somehow would vote for the guy.
Here's your boy...
http://images.classicalite.com/data/images/full/2542/john-mcafee.jpg?w=600
In a mad world, only the mad are sane.
If Cruz wins the Republican nomination, I guess I'd better get used to saying "President Clinton"...again.
The Dumb Gun Collector
03-07-16, 21:39
Umm, vote for Cruz.
If Cruz wins the nomination I will have no choice but to reluctantly vote for him and a futile effort to prevent Hillary from becoming President.
But if there are GOP shenanigans involved and Cruz is given the nomination, I might just walk away from the whole thing. Trump is by far a less than ideal candidate. But he's no more of a liberal with "gun ban" skeletons in his closet than Romney or McCain and I voted for both of those clowns. At least they were legit nominations, horrible choices, but still legit nominations.
There will be shenanigans thanks to Rule 40 - count on it.
I will happily vote for whoever gets put up there against the Socialists. I don't really care which one of them gets the nomination. ALL of them are WORLDS better than Hillary and Bernie.
This infighting and nit-picking is the reason we keep losing elections and its going to be the reason we lose more of our freedoms too.
Get it through your heads people. We are not voting FOR our favorite candidate. They all suck in one way or another. They are politicians for God's sake! We need to be voting AGAINST tyranny and our domestic enemies. Well. That is what we SHOULD be doing.
gunrunner505
03-07-16, 22:55
Get it through your heads people. We are not voting FOR our favorite candidate. They all suck in one way or another. They are politicians for God's sake! We need to be voting AGAINST tyranny and our domestic enemies. Well. That is what we SHOULD be doing.
105% agree. It does not matter if "your" guy doesn't get the nomination, you simply MUST vote. If you can't vote for your guy then you must vote against Bern or Hilly. To stay home and pout is to all but hand the office to one of those communist clowns and we will then be solidly up shit creek boys.
Consider the consequences of staying home.
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I'll vote for him, but I dislike him as much as trump, just in a different way.
No one who has met Cruz likes him. No one! I read an article titled "to know Cruz is to hate him", that sounds like the basic deal with this guy. I've got to question some one that no one likes.
My best friend, and probably the man I trust most in my life, has met and spent a little time with Cruz. He likes Cruz just fine and said Cruz was one of the smartest people he'd had a chance to have a conversation with. I voted for him in our Alaska "caucus".
black22rifle
03-07-16, 23:42
Donde esta la biblioteca?
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-07-16, 23:58
The bar is closing and two girls are hitting on you (just pretend you are who Eurodriver thinks he is) and you reject them both because neither are 'right' enough for you? You are just punishing yourself, maybe not punishing yourself- whatever, you get the idea.
OK, who the F@*! chose Vote For Hitlery? Not voting is just as bad.
I'd rather have Bernie Stalin than Donald Drumpf and Eduardo Rafael Cruz than Hitlery Clinton (weird that the only one I used his birth name for was Cruz), but I'm still voting for McAfee.
Or I'll write-in Mattis if McAfee isn't on the ballot.
I actually think McAfee is a cool dude, but preferring Sanders to Trump is cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's just flat out irresponsible.
My best friend, and probably the man I trust most in my life, has met and spent a little time with Cruz. He likes Cruz just fine and said Cruz was one of the smartest people he'd had a chance to have a conversation with. I voted for him in our Alaska "caucus".
I saw a video with him and a corn farmer. The guy was pissed but Ted calmed him down and told him what was going to happen. I don't know if that is good or bad but the guy seemed appeased.
Now I have heard Ted has gone back and said... ok, go with me, and we will do a five year ethanol deal.
... and I still don't know how his plan impacts the marine industry.
He does strike me as a guy that can make you feel like he's on you side though. "Like a good salesman, Ted C is there".
He's probably an ok guy. Just a different shitck.
My biggest concern about TC is his association with Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck is an absolute numb nut when it comes to choosing celebrity personalities. I'm sure his friends and family are nice people... maybe even beyond nice. But some of Glenn's more recent top cats are Ted Nugent and Nancy Grace.. I can work my way around Ted, but Nancy.....
I also heard Glenn talking recently about a copy of don quixote. Apparently he has a copy that was George Wasjhington's . For whatever reason CNN or somebody says he is lying. Mt. Vernon says no, it's true, two copies... he has one. But Glenn didn't care about the "Truth" which is what he preaches..... he was upset because his copy was being "DEVALUED" . I thought, why do you care about value unless you are ringing the register? Why is your book so important when you are engaged in 100% full bore get Ted elected?
I'm wondering if he has borrowed money against the book to finance Ted. At any rate it makes no sense and that's what really bothers me. Six months down the road, anything Glenn Beck has been involved in makes no sense.... except the world is coming to an end. Which is true. The world is not coming to a beginning so it must be coming to an end.
I'm not voting for someone that will prevent the world from coming to an end. I'm voting to stop Hillary and carve a new path through the jungle and I don't care who it is as long as the Bush / Clinton / Obama regime ends. I highly prefer it not be Bernie Sanders.
I've had a bunch of crazy friends but they were trustworthy. You just need to know which one is going to do which crazy thing and when. I've never met a trustworthy politician even though I accept the fact they may exist.
OK, who the F@*! chose Vote For Hitlery? Not voting is just as bad.
An honest person that has my respect. An American. I have had many Dem voter friends. They are honest. All the one's I have ever known have been highly educated. BS, MS, Phd. They also will listen to reason if a reason can be presented to them that connects.
Yes, I am an eternal optimist.
It's not the Dems that have a 'team' problem nor an ear for a new reason. Nor are they afraid to stand up say who they vote for.
Dems are teamwork warriors. Bottom to top. Soul believers. The Art of War walking and talking.
That's why we lose.
The bar is closing and two girls are hitting on you (just pretend you are who Eurodriver thinks he is) and you reject them both because neither are 'right' enough for you? You are just punishing yourself, maybe not punishing yourself- whatever, you get the idea.
I have left a LOT of "wrong women" at the bar. From my experience, the only time you punish yourself is if you take the wrong one home. It can have long lasting and drastic consequences, sorta like politics.
... the only time you punish yourself is if you take the wrong one home. It can have long lasting and drastic consequences, sorta like politics.
Regarding politics.. you live in a group home.
When you leave the girls in the bar, that's fine. Your roommate brings someone home.
That's the problem with "non-dems"
How hard of a punch can the GOP take.
So far it's been 'no mas'
We lose.
Why? Because we are cool. We are individuals. We are smart. We are .... oh yeah.. we are losers.
brickboy240
03-08-16, 10:26
The Dems win mostly because they all stick together on their bigger issues.
Doubt it? Look back at all of their agenda that has passed and stuck around while we have had a GOP majority in both houses and (for most of it) a 5/4 split in the SC.
Obamacare, gay marriage, debt ceiling increases, large budgets, TPP, Iran deal and others.
THEY are pretty much getting most of what they want done, regardless of a GOP majority or the fact that the GOP swept two mid term election cycles in a row.
WE get all pissy when Candidate X was once pro-choice or some other stickler and lose over and over again. We have principles! LOL Well...that is ALL we have left.
Anyone else sick of this cycle?
Regardless of who the GOP candidate is, I will be voting for them. Frankly I don't care for any of the choices we currently have, but a vote for anyone other than the GOP nominee is a vote for Hilary.
brickboy240
03-08-16, 12:08
As awful as Trump is....there really is nobody with and "R" after their name that is as awful as Hillary.
Donde esta la biblioteca?
Dos manzanas más abajo , el lado izquierdo de la calle
He likes Cruz just fine and said Cruz was one of the smartest people he'd had a chance to have a conversation with. I voted for him in our Alaska "caucus".
I happened to read Cruz's wiki page - did not realize he had those chops. Definitely a bright boy.
Eurodriver
03-08-16, 13:26
I have left a LOT of "wrong women" at the bar. From my experience, the only time you punish yourself is if you take the wrong one home. It can have long lasting and drastic consequences, sorta like politics.
A **** you pass up is a **** you never get back.
I could never vote for a booger eating heathen that wants to sell of OUR public land. Plus his fake preachy talk really annoys, almost more than his booger chowing makes me sick.
Cruz isn't photogenic and he hasn't mastered the art of the sound bite, but if he get's the nod from the people. I will send him money. In full disclosure my attorney and Cruz are friends and he speaks very highly of Cruz.
The establishment of the Republican party are self centered morons, that would rather have Hillary than Cruz or Trump. They are so stupid they think Hillary is better because they will get the chance to pick up the pieces of a broken USA. What they don't understand is that it just maybe to late.
America of old the greatest country in the history of the world, just might be gone replace with a new euro trash lite country.
titsonritz
03-08-16, 18:43
I'd rather vote for Cruz over Trump or the Dems.
Moose-Knuckle
03-09-16, 04:05
Voted for him in the primary.
Seriously, he is the only real conservative in the GOP race if you examine everyone's records.
Same here.
He was my number two pick after Rand Paul.
Moose-Knuckle
03-09-16, 04:13
Anyone else sick of this cycle?
Because it's worth repeating . . .
“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.)
Moose-Knuckle
03-09-16, 04:17
OK, who the F@*! chose Vote For Hitlery? Not voting is just as bad.
Well now there are two on there. I surmise it's just one of the regulars here trying to get a rise out of the rest of us in good fun.
But if she get's in and it all goes pear shaped, after the great reclamation I want a copy of voter records so we can bar her supporters from entry into USA 2.0ish.
Well now there are two on there. I surmise it's just one of the regulars here trying to get a rise out of the rest of us in good fun.
But if she get's in and it all goes pear shaped, after the great reclamation I want a copy of voter records so we can bar her supporters from entry into USA 2.0ish.
Nope, not to get a rise. I would rather vote for a third (or fourth) party than for Cruz.
A quote, straight from the Booger eater himself: “It’s not right, it doesn’t make sense, we need to transfer that land back to the states or even better, back to the people.”
All I need to hear.
TacticalSledgehammer
03-09-16, 08:57
I'd still happily vote for Cruz. He's my number 2. Trump stands a better chance to beat Hitler Clinton though where he's pulling in more "regan democrats" from all over the country, especially the rust belt.
I have left a LOT of "wrong women" at the bar. From my experience, the only time you punish yourself is if you take the wrong one home. It can have long lasting and drastic consequences, sorta like politics.
Those are the ones you let take YOU home. ;)
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KalashniKEV
03-09-16, 09:11
Doesn't matter... he aint getting it.
#losewithcruz
Moose-Knuckle
03-09-16, 12:59
Nope, not to get a rise. I would rather vote for a third (or fourth) party than for Cruz.
A quote, straight from the Booger eater himself: “It’s not right, it doesn’t make sense, we need to transfer that land back to the states or even better, back to the people.”
All I need to hear.
I'm a essentially a one issue voter, the Second Amendment.
If you actually think Hilary is a better choice for POTUS than Cruz, Trump, Rubio, or whoever . . .
June 1999: "If you own a gun," Clinton says on Good Morning America, "make sure it’s locked up and stored without the ammunition. In fact, make it stored where the ammunition is stored separately. We’ve made some progress in the last several years with the Brady Bill and some of the bans on assault weapons, but we have a lot of work to do."
June 2000: Clinton endorses a bill introduced by Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) that would requiire licensing and registration for handguns. "I stand in support of this common-sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun," she says. "I also believe that every new handgun sale or transfer should be registered in a national registry, such as Chuck is proposing."
August 2000: Clinton endorses a DLC position statement that says the government should "require 'smart gun' technology to prevent use of firearms by unauthorized persons."
January 2008: Asked during a Democratic presidential debate whether "you've backed off a national licensing [and] registration plan," Clinton says, "Yes." She avers that "we need to enforce the laws that we have on the books" but adds, "I would also work to reinstate the assault weapons ban. We now have, once again, police deaths going up around the country, and in large measure because bad guys now have assault weapons again."
May 2014: "I think again we're way out of balance. We've got to rein in what has become almost an article of faith that almost anybody can have a gun anywhere at any time. And I don't believe that is in the best interest of the vast majority of people."
June 2014: "I believe that we need a more thoughtful conversation," Clinton says while promoting her memoir on CNN. "We cannot let a minority of people—and that's what it is, it is a minority of people—hold a viewpoint that terrorizes the majority of people." She says she favors "background checks that work" and twice refers erroneously to mass shooters with "automatic" weapons.
Well now there are two on there. I surmise it's just one of the regulars here trying to get a rise out of the rest of us in good fun.
But if she get's in and it all goes pear shaped, after the great reclamation I want a copy of voter records so we can bar her supporters from entry into USA 2.0ish.
Yeah, but you'd also be barring entry to people who don't exist and who've been dead for decades.
I'm a essentially a one issue voter, the Second Amendment. .
You've got your one issue, I've got mine. I wont vote for any of the communists, or Cruz.
Moose-Knuckle
03-10-16, 00:53
I wont vote for any of the communists, or Cruz.
Ah gottcha, I thought you were saying that you would vote for Hilary over Cruz if it came down to it.
Sen. Mike Lee endorses Cruz and calls for Rubio to step aside and do the same.
.... and Paul Ryan says "don't draft me" ... sort of like when he was slip streamed as Speaker
Imagine that a Utah Senator endorses Cruz. Glenn Beck is Morman and Cruz's biggest proponent with a high profile all day voice. Lee graduated from a Morman University. I see no connection.
Yes... this is a good thing. Sen. Lee has obviously thought about the diverse nation of America and was compelled to endorse Cruz simply on merit. ... OR... there was religious arm twisting, oh but Beck an Big_Morman would never wallow in that dirt.
I'm sure it went something like this.
Beck: Pray on it.
Lee: Ok
Beck: Pray on it. seriously.
Lee: OK
Beck to Morman Church: Lee needs help praying
Beck: Pray on it.
Lee: Ok, I'm just not sure.
Beck to Morman Church: Lee still needs help
Beck: Pray on it.
Lee: Ok.... I think sense something.
Beck: keep praying... faster
Lee: Ok,, yes, Cruz! I want Cruz!
Beck: Hallelujah brother
All this indicates is that Cruz is falling short.
AnthonyCumia
03-10-16, 18:27
.... and Paul Ryan says "don't draft me" ... sort of like when he was slip streamed as Speaker
Imagine that a Utah Senator endorses Cruz. Glenn Beck is Morman and Cruz's biggest proponent with a high profile all day voice. Lee graduated from a Morman University. I see no connection.
Yes... this is a good thing. Sen. Lee has obviously thought about the diverse nation of America and was compelled to endorse Cruz simply on merit. ... OR... there was religious arm twisting, oh but Beck an Big_Morman would never wallow in that dirt.
I'm sure it went something like this.
Beck: Pray on it.
Lee: Ok
Beck: Pray on it. seriously.
Lee: OK
Beck to Morman Church: Lee needs help praying
Beck: Pray on it.
Lee: Ok, I'm just not sure.
Beck to Morman Church: Lee still needs help
Beck: Pray on it.
Lee: Ok.... I think sense something.
Beck: keep praying... faster
Lee: Ok,, yes, Cruz! I want Cruz!
Beck: Hallelujah brother
All this indicates is that Cruz is falling short.
Ryan will be removed in his primary so the idea of him be drafted is a joke.
.... and Paul Ryan says "don't draft me" ... sort of like when he was slip streamed as Speaker
Imagine that a Utah Senator endorses Cruz. Glenn Beck is Morman and Cruz's biggest proponent with a high profile all day voice. Lee graduated from a Morman University. I see no connection.
Yes... this is a good thing. Sen. Lee has obviously thought about the diverse nation of America and was compelled to endorse Cruz simply on merit. ... OR... there was religious arm twisting, oh but Beck an Big_Morman would never wallow in that dirt.
I'm sure it went something like this.
Beck: Pray on it.
Lee: Ok
Beck: Pray on it. seriously.
Lee: OK
Beck to Morman Church: Lee needs help praying
Beck: Pray on it.
Lee: Ok, I'm just not sure.
Beck to Morman Church: Lee still needs help
Beck: Pray on it.
Lee: Ok.... I think sense something.
Beck: keep praying... faster
Lee: Ok,, yes, Cruz! I want Cruz!
Beck: Hallelujah brother
All this indicates is that Cruz is falling short.
Yes, there is a conspiracy among Mormans to get a Southern Baptist into the White House.
SilverBullet432
03-10-16, 22:01
Why wouldn't you vote for Ted? ......
Yes, there is a conspiracy among Mormans to get a Southern Baptist into the White House.
Beck and Lee are old pals and both Morman. It's not a conspiracy, nor is it a coincidence. It's about like Christie and Trump or Palin and Trump. It really doesn't mean a lot. In fact you have to wonder why it took so long. Cruz had a plan to get evangelicals years back. He figured that would win it for him. He's basically running Romney's plays with regard to who and how many he expects to pull the lever. It seems to be failing again.
Moose-Knuckle
03-11-16, 03:07
Why wouldn't you vote for Ted? ......
Because he is a Cuban born in Canada?!
(I kid, I kid)
Voted for him in our primary.
There isn't anyone in the GOP race that I wouldn't vote for over anyone in the Democrat race.
I am not a republican and I for sure am not a democrat.
I believe in the Constitution and think government has grown to the point of being evil. I am proud of the history of my family in the USA, in that we have been here since before there was a USA. We were southern people and yes we even owned slaves. But my parents were at the MLK speech at the Lincoln memorial, even though carpet baggers stole everything from them.
I am more conservative than 90% of the people, I pray for the day the American people take back our country and send the rats packing.
I want to vote for a man more afraid of G-D than any special interest group and loves the Constitution. Based on talking with my lawyer that knows Cruz I think he is that man.
But not matter who wins the Republican nomination even if it is Trump they will get first my money and also my vote.
Any gun own that doesn't vote or even worse, votes for Hillary can't cry when they ban his guns.
There isn't anyone in the GOP race that I wouldn't vote for over anyone in the Democrat race.
Just think.... if only everyone felt that way we would never have to listen to Hillary again. Never have to see her face on tv. No interviews with "the news".
On the other hand... some apparently find her likeable enough that not only are they going to left her take their guns away, they are going to see her face everywhere. She will make Kim Jong Un seem like he has stage fright. It will wall to wall Hillary, all day every day. She's pissed and she's owed and she has mission to prove she is bigger and better in every way than Obama by getting more of what he wanted to do, pushed through.
Pelosi and Feinstein will probably both die of exhaustion trying to 'shoot from the hip' and 'pass it before we read it'.
It's ironic people say Trump is Hitler when Hillary is more like a cross between Hitler and a 250 pound termite. Wait until she gnaws America's foundation apart. She will be able to do nothing but sit she fat ass on top the pile of rubble.
Just think.... if only everyone felt that way we would never have to listen to Hillary again. Never have to see her face on tv. No interviews with "the news".
On the other hand... some apparently find her likeable enough that not only are they going to left her take their guns away, they are going to see her face everywhere. She will make Kim Jong Un seem like he has stage fright. It will wall to wall Hillary, all day every day. She's pissed and she's owed and she has mission to prove she is bigger and better in every way than Obama by getting more of what he wanted to do, pushed through.
Pelosi and Feinstein will probably both die of exhaustion trying to 'shoot from the hip' and 'pass it before we read it'.
It's ironic people say Trump is Hitler when Hillary is more like a cross between Hitler and a 250 pound termite. Wait until she gnaws America's foundation apart. She will be able to do nothing but sit she fat ass on top the pile of rubble.
So, you will support Rubio or Romney if one of them gets the nomination from a contested convention (assuming Cruz keeps him from 1237)?
So, you will support Rubio or Romney if one of them gets the nomination from a contested convention (assuming Cruz keeps him from 1237)?
In order to try to keep Hillary out, sure.
In order to try to keep Hillary out, sure.
I would too (with a heavy heart), but the question was directed at tb-av.
In related news, Ben Carson says there are 2 Donald Trumps and he is endorsing the one who is not a megalomaniac asshole. You can't make this shit up.
OK I have a limit. If the GOP establishment crams Romney down our throats, then I will not vote. For their will be nothing to vote for in my book one tyrant is as bad as the next. Does it matter if we are abused at that point in time by the GOP or the dems.
By the way look into the dems super delegates it is a joke.
Phillygunguy
03-11-16, 13:33
Absolutely vote for Cruz he has a chance to beat Hillary unlike Trump
If cruz won the nomination I would destroy my television. Because I couldn't stand to see him inhale another booger. Then I'd also try to win the lottery, so I could purchase all the public land I could, since it will be sold off to the highest bidder...if mr. cruz had his way (im guessing his donors are stoked about that aspect of his campaign)
If cruz won the nomination I would destroy my television. Because I couldn't stand to see him inhale another booger. Then I'd also try to win the lottery, so I could purchase all the public land I could, since it will be sold off to the highest bidder...if mr. cruz had his way (im guessing his donors are stoked about that aspect of his campaign)
That bugger seems to really have affected you. Is there something from your childhood that we need to know?
KalashniKEV
03-11-16, 14:02
Absolutely vote for Cruz he has a chance to beat Hillary unlike Trump
Actually, no one has less of a chance to beat Hillary.
Cruz was born a subject of the British Crown in Canada.
1) He is ineligible to receive a Senate proclamation as McCain did, because he is not a "natural born American" but rather a "natural born Canadian"
2) Even if he did win the nomination and have to seek the proclamation, it wouldn't matter if he actually was born an American, because everyone in the Senate hates him.
Won't matter though because there's no way he will every close the gap with Trump.
So, you will support Rubio or Romney if one of them gets the nomination from a contested convention (assuming Cruz keeps him from 1237)?
Correct, and then I will do everything I can to get them out of office and see to it they are put out to pasture ASAP. The wicked witch must go first, then deal with the great OZ ( Romney ) if that happened to be the case. Which is won't. rubio would be a scandal, Romney would be bloodshed event.
Hillary can not be elected. All else has to be dealt with once we see how they are going to call the shots.
Correct, and then I will do everything I can to get them out of office and see to it they are put out to pasture ASAP. The wicked witch must go first, then deal with the great OZ ( Romney ) if that happened to be the case. Which is won't. rubio would be a scandal, Romney would be bloodshed event.
Sounds reasonable.
Actually, no one has less of a chance to beat Hillary.
I'm not sure about all the birth rights and all, but I'm thinking you may be right about his viability regarding Hillary. The weird thing will be... two people that no one really likes, or the reality is that they a appeal to small segment of society. Well they can debate until the cows come home and he can win them all, hands down.
In the end though... Hillary will be Santa Claus and Santa Claus always wins.
Hillary - Free Stuff!!
Cruz - I'm gonna take your stuff!
Don't forget that a massive segment of out society thinks Kayne West is relevant. That Kim is newsworthy and that Seth Meyers is an interesting talk show host ( he is a good joke writer though ). Hillary will ride that "Me Train" all the way to the station.
I voted for Cruz.... but his timing is off. He has waited too long to launch. Cruz could have had VA... I'm not sure he even came here. Donald made a Key early strike. Oh, that's right Cruz came in late and met with Pat Roberts... he's really got his finger on the pulse of America :rolleyes: Rubio cam in and made a speech is Purple area to steal some of Donalds votes ( which was a good strategy ).
Cruz just seems to not be much on strategy and Timing. That's not going fly when the Liberal machine trots out Hillary in her Presidential glory and he tries to 'out reason' her. If Cruz thinks he's going to educate a nation in four months and win an election.... then why can't he get past Trump? ... After all there is no difference between Trump and Hillary according to many.
He can't even sell to a sympathetic ear. How will he change the mind of an adversarial one? It just makes absolutely no sense. All Hillary is going to do is sell women's rights, free health care, fluffy bunnies, free money, basically utopia and 100% emo. Then she will just say that she is the best thing since Jesus and she will bear everyone's pain that votes for her because she has proven her strength.
Ted barely got away with attacking Trump when Trump wasn't even on stage. I just don't see how he can take on Hillary.
SilverBullet432
03-12-16, 00:04
Because he is a Cuban born in Canada?!
(I kid, I kid)
Voted for him in our primary.
Us Texans understand..
Cruz cannot beat Hitlery.
Mittens not only cannot beat Hitlery, but is not even trying to. His mission is to allow Hitlery to reign.
Outlander Systems
03-12-16, 09:11
http://youtu.be/AvlcbXvQWAk
FlyingHunter
03-12-16, 21:38
While Rand Paul was my first choice, I am proud that Cruz has come in last place in the Washington DC primary caucus voting today 3-12-2016. Congratulations Ted...anyone who Washington DC will not support is likely someone I can support.
FlyingHunter
03-12-16, 21:43
And he wins Wyoming today...and with parallel logic as my aforementioned post. Anyone Wyoming can support is likely someone I can support. Well done Ted.
PatrioticDisorder
03-13-16, 08:38
Ted was great after Sandy Hook... And when he came out & blamed the animals protesting Trump on Donald Trump & not Obama, he lost me. I voted in this poll I'd support Ted, if he managed to win the nomination he can kiss my ass, he'd lose big regardless.
brushy bill
03-13-16, 08:57
... And when he came out & blamed the animals protesting Trump on Donald Trump & not Obama, he lost me.
I voted for Ted, but this had me questioning the wisdom of that decision.
KalashniKEV
03-13-16, 09:06
I voted for Ted, but this had me questioning the wisdom of that decision.
In the end, Turd Cruise will make everyone hate him.
He did the same thing in the senate- Homeboy hit the scene and everyone was like, "Wow... he's a real smart guy!" and welcomed him to the big game... even ran with a few of his plays.
A few years later every single member of both parties and both houses would love nothing more than to kick him straight in the nuts.
Which is good... because F-DC... but people need to understand him for what he is- and that's not a Winner.
Phillygunguy
03-13-16, 09:06
Yeah I think that was a bad move on Cruz. Move on and Bernie / Obama/Clinton would be more to the truth
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Averageman
03-13-16, 10:16
I voted for Ted, but this had me questioning the wisdom of that decision.
Me too, but I'm pretty sure connecting the dots to see how all of the protesters are linked isn't going to take an awful lot of work.
It's a shame Cruz decided to burn that bridge with his supporters.
Me too, but I'm pretty sure connecting the dots to see how all of the protesters are linked isn't going to take an awful lot of work.
It's a shame Cruz decided to burn that bridge with his supporters.
I think that bridge has been smoldering since Trump called him a liar for pointing out his record.
ForTehNguyen
03-13-16, 19:29
that chicago rally was a blatant attack on free speech by marxist thugs and all Cruz can say it was Trumps fault. His one chance to call out these violent protestors and instead he blames Trump. Absolutely disgusting.
Averageman
03-13-16, 20:10
that chicago rally was a blatant attack on free speech by marxist thugs and all Cruz can say it was Trumps fault. His one chance to call out these violent protestors and instead he blames Trump. Absolutely disgusting.
Cruz pretty much took a big wet crap in his hat then set it on his head and pulled it right on down tight. Like rodeo bull riding tight.
He's gonna have to live with that.
Cruz has come out with his proposed national security team. I like a lot of the names: LTG Jerry Boykin (likely his pick for Sec Def), Andrew McCarthy (possible AG?), Elliott Abrams, Frank Gaffney, Sen. Jim Talent, and several others from Heritage Foundation.
It looks like he is trying to balance his team with advisors who take a hardline and softer (for lack of a better word) stance on Islam.
I think that bridge has been smoldering since Trump called him a liar for pointing out his record.
Honestly, I think most Trump supporters know bluster when they see it and recognize what Trump is doing. But Trump on his worst day of talking out his ass to provoke a response is a long way from Cruz blaming organized groups staging attacks on Trump on Trump. There is either free speech or there isn't.
Cruz should know the difference. He either does and simply doesn't care or he doesn't and that might be worse.
http://youtu.be/AvlcbXvQWAk
Cruz seems to be clearly pro gun, or at least trying his hardest to promote that idea. If I was a single issue voter, that video might sway me. He clearly has more firearms experience than Obama during his "photo op." The only real criticism I could find is somebody needs to explain "short controlled bursts" to him with regard to select fire weapons, and with the semi autos, I'd be more impressed with deliberate, controlled shots vs. how fast he can pull the trigger.
All that said, I think the only one who is a more genuine "gun guy" was Rand Paul and that ship sailed a long time ago. Cruz can probably outshoot Trump easily. I only wish Cruz didn't have a few "anchor issues" that I believe will prevent him from winning a general election against Hillary, and I wish he hadn't pulled some Clinton quality political stunts during the nomination process.
Honestly, I think most Trump supporters know bluster when they see it and recognize what Trump is doing. But Trump on his worst day of talking out his ass to provoke a response is a long way from Cruz blaming organized groups staging attacks on Trump on Trump. There is either free speech or there isn't.
Cruz should know the difference. He either does and simply doesn't care or he doesn't and that might be worse.
Actually, Cruz did a pretty good job of articulating the issues, but here is my take on it:
There are two issues at play:
1) First and foremost is Trump's right to assemble and speak as part of his campaign. As you and others have rightly pointed out, that right must be respected and it is 100% the fault of protestors who would attempt to disrupt his rallies. Nobody including myself, Cruz, or Rubio has or would deny that fundamental fact.
2) The second issue at play, and the one that I am speaking to is this bullshit where Trump tells his supporters to "punch that guy" or offers to pay their legal fees if they decide to commit a crime (and then lies about it a week later as if the video of him saying this is going to disappear). You call it bluster; I call it WWE bullshit. This is exemplified when one of his supporters punches a protestor in NC whose hands were by his side as he left the venue and posed no threat. That supporter is then filmed stating that he may have to kill the guy next time. Now, Trump is not responsible for his support's actions, but he is responsible for condemning that bullshit when it's done in his name on national TV. Does he condemn it? No, his response to the one in NC is to see if he can pay the guys legal fees. Here is another this weekend where a protester is attacked while being escorted out of a Trump rally: https://youtu.be/EALPC4gVdIM. Both of these are WWE bullshit.
Finally, the fact that Obama and Holder have encouraged similar (although I don't recall Obama telling people to punch anyone) antics does not mean that Trump can raise the ante.
I'm with you on point 1. You lose me on point 2.
Actually, Cruz did a pretty good job of articulating the issues, but here is my take on it:
There are two issues at play:
1) First and foremost is Trump's right to assemble and speak as part of his campaign. As you and others have rightly pointed out, that right must be respected and it is 100% the fault of protestors who would attempt to disrupt his rallies. Nobody including myself, Cruz, or Rubio has or would deny that fundamental fact.
2) The second issue at play, and the one that I am speaking to is this bullshit where Trump tells his supporters to "punch that guy" or offers to pay their legal fees if they decide to commit a crime (and then lies about it a week later as if the video of him saying this is going to disappear). You call it bluster; I call it WWE bullshit. This is exemplified when one of his supporters punches a protestor in NC whose hands were by his side as he left the venue and posed no threat. That supporter is then filmed stating that he may have to kill the guy next time. Now, Trump is not responsible for his support's actions, but he is responsible for condemning that bullshit when it's done in his name on national TV. Does he condemn it? No, his response to the one in NC is to see if he can pay the guys legal fees. Here is another this weekend where a protester is attacked while being escorted out of a Trump rally: https://youtu.be/EALPC4gVdIM. Both of these are WWE bullshit.
Finally, the fact that Obama and Holder have encouraged similar (although I don't recall Obama telling people to punch anyone) antics does not mean that Trump can raise the ante.
I'm with you on point 1. You lose me on point 2.
I have heard Trump say "Get that guy out of here". I have heard Trump suggest he might pay legal fees of the guy who did sucker punch the guy at a Trump rally. I have so far NOT heard Trump say "Punch that guy" to any of his supporters.
If Trump actually gave directions to any of his supporters to punch anyone, it would be on the news round the clock all day, every day and I so far haven't seen that.
Cruz has come out with his proposed national security team. I like a lot of the names: LTG Jerry Boykin (likely his pick for Sec Def), Andrew McCarthy (possible AG?), Elliott Abrams, Frank Gaffney, Sen. Jim Talent, and several others from Heritage Foundation.
It looks like he is trying to balance his team with advisors who take a hardline and softer (for lack of a better word) stance on Islam.
If you believe polls, he better come up with a good plan if Bernie wins. Polls show Bernie beating him by double digits.... and at best be able to tie the criminal Hillary.
PatrioticDisorder
03-20-16, 08:50
https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/10156794327800725/
I wonder if Cruz was for amnesty before or after his big money donors spoke with him.
I have heard Trump say "Get that guy out of here". I have heard Trump suggest he might pay legal fees of the guy who did sucker punch the guy at a Trump rally. I have so far NOT heard Trump say "Punch that guy" to any of his supporters.
If Trump actually gave directions to any of his supporters to punch anyone, it would be on the news round the clock all day, every day and I so far haven't seen that.
My quote meant to say, "I'd like to punch that guy." Trying to cut and paste from a previous thread and didn't catch the mistake.
Here are some of the other WWE quotes.
"I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks."
“Maybe he should have been roughed up, because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.” This one on FNC after a protestor was beaten while being escorted out by security in November.
He'll walk right up to the line of violence but not cross it himself because he knows that some dipshit in the crowd will do the dirty work. Then, cha-ching, another 1000 hours of free press where he can avoid the issues.
If you believe polls, he better come up with a good plan if Bernie wins. Polls show Bernie beating him by double digits.... and at best be able to tie the criminal Hillary.
And Sanders beats Trump by an identical margin:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html
However, I'd love that Cruz-Sanders match-up if for no other reason than it would best forecast the direction of the country. Pundits have always said that we are a center-right country. That premis was shaken when Obama won his second term, and the only reason why I give it any credibility now is the conservative victories during the 2012 and 2014 mid-terms. Personally, I think that we are now a decidedly left leaning country on the issue that really counts - entitlement spending.
I think that a Bernie / Cruz match-up would be a much needed enema for the country. It would match the country against two competing ideologies rather than have a contest between progressives that is really based on who is hated less or who is the lesser of two assholes. Plus, it would let me know if it finally time to implement my Contengency Plan Omega.
Averageman
03-20-16, 12:02
I'm pretty sure the Establishment isn't just the Politicians. It includes big business, the Media and the Lobbyists just to name a few.
These Polls always come out and tell you how your guy is gonna lose, but these are from the same guys who said Romney was going to WIN !
I don't like these folks, any of them. The game is rigged and if there is a way out, they always have a reason to tell you why it aint gonna work.
I'm pretty sure the Establishment isn't just the Politicians. It includes big business, the Media and the Lobbyists just to name a few.
These Polls always come out and tell you how your guy is gonna lose, but these are from the same guys who said Romney was going to WIN !
I don't like these folks, any of them. The game is rigged and if there is a way out, they always have a reason to tell you why it aint gonna work.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Actually, the polls in 2012 said that Romney was going to lose. For 5 months leading up to the election, Romney was behind Obama for about 90% of the time in the RCP average. He briefly closed the gap and went ahead of Obama immediately after the first debate. However, Obama pulled ahead of Romney in the last 3-4 weeks leading up to the election. People just didn't believe the polls and attributed Obama's margins to sampling error (i.e. polling more Dems than Repubs).
Phillygunguy
03-20-16, 12:49
No way in hell will there be a Sanders v Cruz in the general. Nice pipe dream but unless there's a brokered convention, and they go with Cruz,(Trump supporters will write him in before they vote Cruz), and Bernie gets more " super delegates" which would wind up going to Hillary, it's never gonna happen.
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https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/10156794327800725/
I wonder if Cruz was for amnesty before or after his big money donors spoke with him.
You have a poor understanding of the 2012/2013 Gang of Eight Battle. The issue had nothing to do with legal status (i.e. amnesty) and everything to do with a pathway to citizenship that would guarantee a perpetual democratic majority. That clip from Cruz is in reference to his AMMENDMENT to the Gang of Eight Bill that would strip citizenship from the bill. It was a coordinated effort to poison the bill on its way to the House and it worked. He was literally taunting the Dems to support his amendment if they really wanted illegals to come out of the shadows; he knew they didn't and he knew they wouldn't.
If you want to know who really wanted amnesty (and still does), then look at these clips of your boy on the issue in 2013:
http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/01/20/trumps-immigration-position-2013-verbatim-rubios-current-position/
Trump actually funded the gang of eight to protect his business interests.
No way in hell will there be a Sanders v Cruz in the general. Nice pipe dream but unless there's a brokered convention, and they go with Cruz,(Trump supporters will write him in before they vote Cruz), and Bernie gets more " super delegates" which would wind up going to Hillary, it's never gonna happen.
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Nobody said that the match-up was likely; only that it would probably be good for the country to have a clear distinction on the issues.
And Sanders beats Trump by an identical margin:
That's my point and a point others have made. Based on the polls.... why isn't the left hammering Bernie on home for all he's worth AND trying to Trump as his contestant?
The Left could -easily- turn on Hillary.. they have every excuse in the book to do so. Then go easy on Trump and bang. Clean sweep Socialism.
Why, based on the polls, are they not doing it?
Instead they hate Trump and Love Hillary. Why?
Trump is an unknown quantity that might owe several of them, worldwide, a little payback time.
Hillary, worldwide, is a known quantity and certainly does owe favors for her appointments and protection.
so you look at those two near given facts and the polls..... Trump may be even more painful for Liberals than Ted Cruz. Ted will be painful for the GOP. Trump will be painful for the GOP, Dems and some key world leaders. That's not necessarily a bad thing.
Of all the things though. How can the Republicans be so weak when all the Dems have is Hillary and Bernie? They have made corned beef hash out of the entire Republican bench and an Independent wouldn't even enter the fray.
So based on that.. I would say your winner take all, Bern v Cruz, could very well be a massive disaster. If nothing else we would lose by the sit home apathy aspect.
In fact...... that contest may have already been played. We may already be there. The Right has no Bench and no Fans in the stands. The people exist but they have no interest in the game. That may in fact be why Obama has been playing it so cool. If he plays hardball and gets everybody excited he may wake some up. If not keeps the status quo. Then the next in line drops the hammer from day one. Obama may have actually won the big game. Just look at the people on the right that have been rendered insignificant..... basically everybody. We are a few Senators away from mob rules and Socialism dominance. That's really all we have left are a few viable front line soldiers.
Averageman
03-20-16, 15:49
With Mitt Romney and Glen Beck backing Cruz, why doesn't someone just shoot him in the foot.
Having both of these two on your side is like being handed and anvil half way across your attempt at swimming the English Channel.
:rolleyes:
With Mitt Romney and Glen Beck backing Cruz, why doesn't someone just shoot him in the foot.
Having both of these two on your side is like being handed and anvil half way across your attempt at swimming the English Channel.
Well, with Trump holding a couple of aces in the form of Palin and Christie, I suppose that Cruz just had to play the hand he was dealt...:rolleyes:
Don't forget Dennis Rodman , David Duke, Tom Brady, and.... wait for it... http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/20/entertainment/scott-baio-endorse-trump-feat/index.html
Imagine being endorsed by a cross section of America that have nothing in common..... wait a second.... Imagine being endorsed by a cross section of America that have nothing in common.
Anybody see Kasich today.... he was asked if he would run with Cruz or Trump.... He about fell out of his chair saying "are you kidding me! No way" He claims he is the only person that can beat Hillary and that he will win. that neither of them will get the votes.
I'm not sure who whispered in his ear last night but she must have been worth every penny because he's ready to teach Tony Robbins how to be positive this mornoing. If America starts voting for that goofball Tuesday I will be honestly be stunned. You would think he would be running around looking over his shoulder. Instead he actually thinks he's got it going on.
Glenn Beck will have a nervous breakdown when Kasich steals the nomination and taps Romney as VP.
Of course we will never know because we will all have to turn off our TVs and radios for 8 years once Hillary sweeps it. It's possible she could be overcome with a laughing/cackling fit when the results hit and actually have a heart attack, So there is always hope.... who knows what Biden will do as running mate promoted instantly from VP to POTUS but I'm sure the Jarrett/Abedin team will take care of that. See you at the Mosque, save me a rug.
Glenn Beck will have a nervous breakdown when Kasich steals the nomination and taps Romney as VP..
We can only hope. Maybe then "Preaching Hour" will be off the air.
He apparently is having some sort of financial trouble with that Blaze deal. I think the main guy left or they fired him. I actually used to like the show. They used to be funny and have some interesting takes on things. Now it's just 'angry Pat Roberts and his two yes men'. I've also heard them mention a few times that he's got some health issue going on... or had... maybe he's ok now.
Although that Moron Trivia cracks me up sometimes. Haven't heard it in a while though.
Savanah Guthrie just cornered Cruz live on NBC about his "police Muslim neighborhoods". He wouldn't answer her. "How do you identify Muslim neighborhood?" Who didn't see that one coming? Same old song and dance. He should just drop out before it's too late. If he thinks the GOP is giving him the nomination he is crazy. Let Trump and Kasich fight it out. That's the actual battle for the GOP anyway. Let the remainder of the people decide.
He's just being used by the GOP at this point and fuel for the Liberal fire.
brickboy240
03-23-16, 11:44
I agree. Cruz is being abused by both sides of the aisle.
This race is screwed...exit and go back to the Senate where you can do the most good, Ted.
Your "Katie Couric gotcha" moment with big media is coming (the one everyone will remember you for) - leave before it happens.
...please
Cruz is now tied with Trump in a national sample for the GOP nomination with Kasich at 17%.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/03/23/fox-news-poll-national-general-election-32316/
Also interesting is the favorable / unfavorable ratings and performance against Dems. Kasich easily has the best favorability ratings; Mitch McConnell has the worst and Paul Ryan is not much better (neither has good name recognition).
Of the candidates currently in the race, Kasich and Sanders have the highest favorability. Cruz, Hillary, and Trump are all underwater with Trump being the worst and sinking compared to past performance. Cruz is a little better than Trump (still not good) with a slight improvement over time.
Kasich does the best against both Sanders and Hillary. He beats Hillary and is tied with Sanders.!Cruz is also tied with Hillary and Sanders. Trump is demolished by both Sanders and Hillary well outside of the margin of error.
Eurodriver
03-24-16, 08:44
Interesting that Hillary AND Sanders lose to Kasich. They haven't polled me though. I am a Republican and I would vote for Hillary if a RINO is nominated. I suspect there are many who will sit home or write in Gary Busey instead of voting for either. In short, until you have a "This girl vs this guy" race, these polls are stupid.
I hope they nominate Kasich. That way I can vote for Hillary with zero remorse whatsoever.
Averageman
03-24-16, 08:44
Interesting that Hillary AND Sanders lose to Kasich. They haven't polled me though. I am a Republican and I would vote for Hillary if a RINO is nominated. I suspect there are many who will sit home or write in Gary Busey instead of voting for either.
I hope they nominate Kasich. That way I can vote for Hillary with zero remorse whatsoever.
Do you really not understand that all of these Polls are in on the fix?
Eurodriver
03-24-16, 08:45
Do you really not understand that all of these Polls are in on the fix?
What fix?
Cruz is now tied with Trump in a national sample for the GOP nomination with Kasich at 17%.
Also interesting is the favorable / unfavorable ratings and performance against Dems. Kasich easily has the best favorability ratings; Mitch McConnell has the worst and Paul Ryan is not much better (neither has good name recognition).
Of the candidates currently in the race, Kasich and Sanders have the highest favorability. Cruz, Hillary, and Trump are all underwater with Trump being the worst and sinking compared to past performance.
Kasich does the best against both Sanders and Hillary beating them both. Cruz and Hillary are tied. Trump loses to both Sanders and Hillary.
And this is what is so maddening when you try to read and interpret polling data. The data that supports Kasich winning and Trump losing (against the Dems) does not support data at the state and local level, which generally show low support for Kasich and Clinton.
The truth is, aside from people on TV, polls and percentages really don't matter, especially now. No one, NO one, will be able to predict how the blue dog/blue collar democrats and independents are going to vote, or if the percentage of black voters from 2008/2012 show up at the same levels. Too many variables.
Averageman
03-24-16, 08:49
I have a feeling that the Polls we see are "fixed" they move the numbers around and get the results they were looking for.
Watching Hillary and Kasich speak and posture on the stage, it's my opinion she would nut cut him and leave him bleeding inside of five minutes in a debate.
I think the numbers are fixed so that happens. Send the guy out there with the best numbers? Who handed out those numbers?
I have a feeling that the Polls we see are "fixed" they move the numbers around and get the results they were looking for.
Watching Hillary and Kasich speak and posture on the stage, it's my opinion she would nut cut him and leave him bleeding inside of five minutes in a debate.
I think the numbers are fixed so that happens. Send the guy out there with the best numbers? Who handed out those numbers?
It's easy to fix one. Maybe two or even three. But the more polls and data the harder it is to get a 'fix.' Scientific polling is usually pretty solid, but here is my issue, and I think THE issue: data are only as good as those reporting it. You cannot control for people who lie or simply change their minds (especially change their minds, which is why you can see huge changes immediately after a debate).
And this is what is so maddening when you try to read and interpret polling data. The data that supports Kasich winning and Trump losing (against the Dems) does not support data at the state and local level, which generally show low support for Kasich and Clinton.
The truth is, aside from people on TV, polls and percentages really don't matter, especially now. No one, NO one, will be able to predict how the blue dog/blue collar democrats and independents are going to vote, or if the percentage of black voters from 2008/2012 show up at the same levels. Too many variables.
I tend to agree with you except for 1 point: favorability and name recognition
These are good barometers of what lies ahead for a candidate AND their capacity to change it. Trump has a very difficult road and very little ability to change it since EVERYONE responding to the poll knows him. Hillary is in a similar situation but she is not as far up shit's creek as Trump - neither have a paddle. Cruz is up shit's creek but may have a small stick for a paddle since a few people don't know him. Kasich would be sitting pretty if he could get a Republican other than his mother to vote for him.
Averageman
03-24-16, 09:04
It's easy to fix one. Maybe two or even three. But the more polls and data the harder it is to get a 'fix.' Scientific polling is usually pretty solid, but here is my issue, and I think THE issue: data are only as good as those reporting it. You cannot control for people who lie or simply change their minds (especially change their minds, which is why you can see huge changes immediately after a debate).
When you look at the Polls and then you watch the debates, then look at the Polls again, how does Kasich even figure in to the discussion?
This is exactly where we fail as Conservatives, we believe this crap because the Progressive media spews it out. Kasich was and still has been a nonevent in this election cycle. The best he could do was Ohio and that's not getting the job done. The guy might have spoke for 15 total minutes in the entirety of the televised debates.
If you asked five people about who the Republicans running in the Primary's are, most wouldn't even remember Kasich's name.
The only people who seem to like him are the donors and the establishment at this point.
Averageman
03-24-16, 09:32
At this point, Does it Matter?
Take a look at this, Apparently at least this Establishment "Conservative" Republican has already given up.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/24/lindsey-graham-we-can-lose-in-2016-and-we-probably-will/
“We’re already split,” Graham said. “Here is my concern. We can lose in 2016 and we probably will. Trump gets wiped out, Ted makes it competitive, I don’t know if he can beat her or not, but at least we got a fighting chance. Yet Trump is the standard bearer. It’s not about 2016, it’s about losing the heart and soul of the conservative movement.
So F' it, we don't need to win the White House, we just need to make sure Trump doesn't.
I'm sure the Establishment GOP are in no small part funding some of these unbiased Polls that the Progressive Media will be sure and give a lot of attention to.
This pack of dummies are too stupid to get out of their own way.
I tend to agree with you except for 1 point: favorability and name recognition
These are good barometers of what lies ahead for a candidate AND their capacity to change it. Trump has a very difficult road and very little ability to change it since EVERYONE responding to the poll knows him. Hillary is in a similar situation but she is not as far up shit's creek as Trump - neither have a paddle. Cruz is up shit's creek but may have a small stick for a paddle since a few people don't know him. Kasich would be sitting pretty if he could get a Republican other than his mother to vote for him.
Oh, absolutely. I forgot to add those. Favorability can change (and does) throughout a campaign; nothing you can do about name recognition. A good example of 'favorability' with polling is that Trump's numbers went up a couple points after the attack in Brussels. It may (likely) go down again, but he is perceived to be hardline with terrorism.
Kasich is a nice guy, he doesn't rock the boat, he is so middle-of-the-road and moderate he could easily campaign as a democrat. He is favorable among moderate Republicans and even some moderate Democrats. But you are right, no Republican the least bit slightly-right-of-center or more will vote for him.
When you look at the Polls and then you watch the debates, then look at the Polls again, how does Kasich even figure in to the discussion?
This is exactly where we fail as Conservatives, we believe this crap because the Progressive media spews it out. Kasich was and still has been a nonevent in this election cycle. The best he could do was Ohio and that's not getting the job done. The guy might have spoke for 15 total minutes in the entirety of the televised debates.
If you asked five people about who the Republicans running in the Primary's are, most wouldn't even remember Kasich's name.
The only people who seem to like him are the donors and the establishment at this point.
How does Kasich figure into the discussion? He doesn't. Trump shows one extreme in the party, Kasich another. He is being portrayed as the "calm, rational" candidate. And to the media he is less scary than anyone else.
Phillygunguy
03-24-16, 09:51
So now Kasich is the only one that can beat Hillary? Then let's say he gets the nomination. I guarantee afterwards the polls show him loosing to Hillary. The polls are always going to show Hillary winning over every republican because they are biased.
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daddyusmaximus
03-24-16, 09:53
Trump guy here myself but I would happily vote for Cruz if he was the nominee. To put it bluntly, any conservative, right leaning, or republican who stays home if their candidate fails to legitimately win in the primaries is a "Bravo Foxtrot" and should put up a poster of Mitt Romney is His/Her bedroom. If the Hildabeast wins the election it is game over for this country and I truly believe she would make Obama look good.
^^^ This right here.
BIG +1 on hidabeast being scary as hell. (or bernie)
Averageman
03-24-16, 09:54
How does Kasich figure into the discussion? He doesn't. Trump shows one extreme in the party, Kasich another. He is being portrayed as the "calm, rational" candidate. And to the media he is less scary than anyone else.
These folks are working as hard as they can to lose.
They don't need the White House, why bother? It's not going to stop the money rolling in to them hand over fist.
I know there is a lot of Trump Hate out there, but if he or Cruz can destroy what the GOP has become, have at it.
crusader377
03-24-16, 10:25
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/24/lindsey-graham-we-can-lose-in-2016-and-we-probably-will/
“We’re already split,” Graham said. “Here is my concern. We can lose in 2016 and we probably will. Trump gets wiped out, Ted makes it competitive, I don’t know if he can beat her or not, but at least we got a fighting chance. Yet Trump is the standard bearer. It’s not about 2016, it’s about losing the heart and soul of the conservative movement.
This sums up exactly why a establishment Republican can not be nominated for the general election. The establishment GOP has loser organization ethos. We are still over 7 months to the election and they are already talking about throwing in the towel. They focus on the defense and the negative. The establishment GOP is simply not willing to do what it takes to win.
If you had to personify the establishment GOP he is that guy that talks about dating hot women yet will never ask any of them out or talks about owning his own business and making big money but is not willing to take a risk and start it.
Kasich is a nice guy, he doesn't rock the boat, he is so middle-of-the-road and moderate he could easily campaign as a democrat. He is favorable among moderate Republicans and even some moderate Democrats. But you are right, no Republican the least bit slightly-right-of-center or more will vote for him.
I might have agreed that Kasich is a nice guy who doesn't rock the boat 6 months ago. Now, he is coming across as an egotistical douche. A very significant egotistical douche since a majority of his 17% would go to Cruz (assuming that you believe the poll).
So now Kasich is the only one that can beat Hillary?
No, Kasich is the only one who is statistically ahead of Hillary AT THIS POINT (emphasis because you didn't seem to understand the poll). That means that he has a good chance of beating Hillary if the election was held today. On the other hand, Cruz is a toss up against Hillary, and Trump would likely get his ass whopped (and hand control of the Senate to the Dems).
The poll also show that a majority think Kasich is a swell guy, dislike Cruz, really dislike Hillary, and detest Trump. But don't worry, this poll is fixed by the same group of establishment illuminati who have rigged 44 of the last 48 polls taken over the past 12 months that say the exact same thing.
Averageman
03-24-16, 14:42
I might have agreed that Kasich is a nice guy who doesn't rock the boat 6 months ago. Now, he is coming across as an egotistical douche. A very significant egotistical douche since a majority of his 17% would go to Cruz (assuming that you believe the poll).
I just heard on the drive home that Kasich wouldn't have a problem tagging a Dem as his VP?
You know, sometimes man, sometimes I just wish one of the Secret Service would just F'ing throat punch this nincompoop.
I just heard on the drive home that Kasich wouldn't have a problem tagging a Dem as his VP?
You know, sometimes man, sometimes I just wish one of the Secret Service would just F'ing throat punch this nincompoop.
That or fall asleep at a very inopportune time...
I just heard on the drive home that Kasich wouldn't have a problem tagging a Dem as his VP?
You know, sometimes man, sometimes I just wish one of the Secret Service would just F'ing throat punch this nincompoop.
It has become comical. At least now there is no hiding the fact that the establishment GOP are in fact Dems. A RINO is not a RINO because he or she is an independent. RINOs are DEMS!!
Kasich
Graham
That SC Gov.. forgot her name.
JEB
Christie
I wonder if Kasich meant that if he could get a vote he would tap Jim Webb ( Dem Senator from VA that also couldn't get votes in primaries ).
That would be hilarious. I would love to see the SNL skits of those two as running mates with absolutely no one paying any attention to them. Kasich must be on some kind of drugs or something. He is just totally irrational. Yet the polls say he would crush everyone. No one in the country will vote for him yet he rules the polls. Just absolutely bizarre.
Way to go Tedro....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzgJL3SvYzg
Hmmmm. Ted and Heidi are the new Bill and Hillary?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SANMMMft9Q
Way to go Tedro....
At least Ted didn't plagerize an entire op ed from one of his opponents.
Hmmmm. Ted and Heidi are the new Bill and Hillary?
Wait a minute. Are you telling me that Heidi Cruz wrote a report for her boss on free tried while she was a staffer in the Bush Administration THIRTEEN years ago? Goddamn it. That's it. I'm voting for Trump.
On second thought, I wonder what policies Trump was supporting back then...?
MountainRaven
03-24-16, 22:20
It has become comical. At least now there is no hiding the fact that the establishment GOP are in fact Dems. A RINO is not a RINO because he or she is an independent. RINOs are DEMS!!
Kasich
Graham
That SC Gov.. forgot her name.
JEB
Christie
I wonder if Kasich meant that if he could get a vote he would tap Jim Webb ( Dem Senator from VA that also couldn't get votes in primaries ).
That would be hilarious. I would love to see the SNL skits of those two as running mates with absolutely no one paying any attention to them. Kasich must be on some kind of drugs or something. He is just totally irrational. Yet the polls say he would crush everyone. No one in the country will vote for him yet he rules the polls. Just absolutely bizarre.
I've heard it seriously bandied about on NPR that the Clinton campaign has apparently semi-seriously bandied about the notion of choosing someone from the GOP as a running mate.
The Dems the NPR questioned vehemently denied this, stating that they have plenty of good Democrats to choose from.
I think it would be interesting, assuming Sanders loses the primary to Clinton and Cruz takes second to Trump, to see a Clinton/Cruz campaign take on a Trump/Sanders campaign in the general.
Well Tedster is toast.
A. The GOP is not going to give him the nomination.
B. He may not have had an affair with any of those women, but he's done something. He has a skeleton that someone has found or known about.
If he really cares about the border and gutting the establishment, he needs to let Trump do it. He needs to decide who his biggest enemy is. I'm beginning to believe it's not the establishment as he would have us believe.
Well Tedster is toast.
A. The GOP is not going to give him the nomination.
B. He may not have had an affair with any of those women, but he's done something. He has a skeleton that someone has found or known about.
If he really cares about the border and gutting the establishment, he needs to let Trump do it. He needs to decide who his biggest enemy is. I'm beginning to believe it's not the establishment as he would have us believe.
Dude, if Cruz can get that much twenty year old ass looking like Grandpa Munster then I'm definitely voting for him. I mean, what does he have going for him? He is not rich, powerful, or good looking. Maybe someone should check the size of his hands...;)
Dude, if Cruz can get that much twenty year old ass looking like Grandpa Munster then I'm definitely voting for him. I mean, what does he have going for him? He is not rich, powerful, or good looking. Maybe someone should check the size of his hands...;)
Dude, when you make the National Inquirer during an election. You don't make 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.. The honey jar is not the issue. Grandpa Munster was cool but everybody loves Herman and Lily.
It's not about what he has been accused of doing. It's the fact he has been vulnerable enough to have been published over it. It's a weakness he can't overcome. He has been outflanked by everyone. The circular firing squad has chosen him as the target duJour. He has accepted it as they knew he would. They are using Kasich and Cruz to defeat Trump. They know if they piss him off he will stay in and they live on ( which is not his intended goal,,, although I'm not so sure his wife shares the same sentiment about the GOP ). In turn they know they can tell Kasich his s*** doesn't stink and he will believe it, so he too stays in... and they live on.
Cruz is out. Kasich is out. The GOP establishment is floundering in it's death throes in a battle to not be someone's second chair bitches when the Liberals win. What they are really afraid of though is that if Trump wins POTUS they are not even going to be someone's bitch. They are going to light one up and say 'well it was a good run while it lasted'.
If Kasich wasn't brain dead and Cruz wasn't so proud we could spend the next 7 months crushing and exposing Hillary and Bernie for what they are AND possibly get some education accomplished towards a sweeping RED win.
Or we can just lose again...... apparently that works too if it's for a 'really good reason'.
Nah, making the N'tl Enquirer is par for the course. So is assassination by innuendo for the Trump campaign.
My guess is this one has an equal chance of damaging Trump if it is demonstrated that the allegations are false and being pushed by his associates. Well, I suppose that we already know that it's being pushed by Trump's associates since David Pecker is a close friend and supporter. For example, Michael Savage is already calling on Trump to disavow the story and Pecker or he will withdraw his support. I bet that other Trump supporters will soon do the same.
Besides, this one is just getting juicy. One of the alleged mistresses is Trump's Communications Director. She doesn't seem too happy about the accusations or the prospect of being thrown under the bus by her boss. There may soon be trouble in Trump Paradise...
This kind of reminds me of a reality TV show....never mind I forgot Trump is a serious actor.
Cruz to be guest on The Kelly File tonight.
Hour long town hall style. 9 pm and 12 am et Fox
WI goes to Cruz. By how much is to be determined. Open convention here we come.
FlyingHunter
04-05-16, 21:09
If the open convention disenfranchises the majority of the GOP voters (will of the people) e.g. Cruz or Trump voters, the GOP will devolve and a genuine 3rd party will be born.
PatrioticDisorder
04-05-16, 21:22
WI goes to Cruz. By how much is to be determined. Open convention here we come.
1. Crunching the numbers it appears very plausible Trump wins 1237 outright.
2. If the RNC ****s over both Trump & Cruz it is the end of the GOP, and let's face it, the RNC likes neither guy.
3. Impressive win by Cruz, while there are several northeastern states Trump will dominate, this certainly makes things interesting.
Booger chompers unite! Good to see the Globalist money come through....Glenn Beck should be proud.
1. Crunching the numbers it appears very plausible Trump wins 1237 outright.
2. If the RNC ****s over both Trump & Cruz it is the end of the GOP, and let's face it, the RNC likes neither guy.
3. Impressive win by Cruz, while there are several northeastern states Trump will dominate, this certainly makes things interesting.
I agree that it's plausible, just no longer very likely. Trump now needs about 60% of the remaining delegates and the momentum has shifted a little.
If Trump doesn't get to 1237, I think that it's highly likely that Cruz gets the nomination. Cruz may even get it on the first ballot if he can nab other candidate's unpledged delegates.
I think that it's highly unlikely that Kasich or "The Establishment" will parachute in to take the nomination. I'm prepared to vote a straight Democrat party line ballot in November if the GOP were to drop in some last minute douch. Hell, I might even donate to and campaign for Hillary or Bernie if that were to happen.
PatrioticDisorder
04-06-16, 08:46
I agree that it's plausible, just no longer very likely. Trump now needs about 60% of the remaining delegates and the momentum has shifted a little.
If Trump doesn't get to 1237, I think that it's highly likely that Cruz gets the nomination. Cruz may even get it on the first ballot if he can nab other candidate's unpledged delegates.
I think that it's highly unlikely that Kasich or "The Establishment" will parachute in to take the nomination. I'm prepared to vote a straight Democrat party line ballot in November if the GOP were to drop in some last minute douch. Hell, I might even donate to and campaign for Hillary or Bernie if that were to happen.
Fox News ran the numbers, they predict he would get to like 1193. I think he could have gotten past 1237 but based on his response last night, I sense he is imploding. The statement belief out sounds delusional. Rule 40 or whatever the rule is that states you must win 8 states needs to apply if Cruz is to win the nomination or else the establishment will hand pick their own golden boy.
I started off very optimistic, I don't think Trump can beat Hillary based on his own self inflicted wounds and I also believe Cruz loses Goldwater style to Hillary. My only hope at this point is enough people show up if only to vote for house & senate, otherwise Hillary will have a super majority to rule with, may God help us all if that happens.
Fox News ran the numbers, they predict he would get to like 1193. I think he could have gotten past 1237 but based on his response last night, I sense he is imploding. The statement belief out sounds delusional. Rule 40 or whatever the rule is that states you must win 8 states needs to apply if Cruz is to win the nomination or else the establishment will hand pick their own golden boy.
I started off very optimistic, I don't think Trump can beat Hillary based on his own self inflicted wounds and I also believe Cruz loses Goldwater style to Hillary. My only hope at this point is enough people show up if only to vote for house & senate, otherwise Hillary will have a super majority to rule with, may God help us all if that happens.
I just don't get why people think Hillary is so unbeatable. She is a shrill old cunt who is despised by a LOT of people in this country, to include quite a few women (who you'd think she'd appeal to). Every time I hear her voice it makes me cringe, fingernails on a chalkboard style. Yeah, half (+ or -) the retards in this country will vote for her, but landslide? Really? That sea-hag twat? I ain't seeing it. I think she is VERY beatable.
Phillygunguy
04-06-16, 12:04
I just don't get why people think Hillary is so unbeatable. She is a shrill old cunt who is despised by a LOT of people in this country, to include quite a few women (who you'd think she'd appeal to). Every time I hear her voice it makes me cringe, fingernails on a chalkboard style. Yeah, half (+ or -) the retards in this country will vote for her, but landslide? Really? That sea-hag twat? I ain't seeing it. I think she is VERY beatable.
Because she's the first woman, like Obama was the first black guy, you know the whole be apart of history bullshit.
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Because she's the first woman, like Obama was the first black guy, you know the whole be apart of history bullshit.
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Look, I despise Obama with a passion and have for years. That said, he's "smooth". Hillary? Not even close. She grates on people's nerves. There's nothing remotely "smooth" about that old bitch. Rush Limbaugh had a good point in 2008 when she was running in the primaries: she reminds most men of their ex-wife!
Phillygunguy
04-06-16, 12:11
Look, I despise Obama with a passion and have for years. That said, he's "smooth". Hillary? Not even close. She grates on people's nerves. There's nothing remotely "smooth" about that old bitch. Rush Limbaugh had a good point in 2008 when she was running in the primaries: she reminds most men of their ex-wife!
Your over estimating the intelligence of the low information voter
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Your over estimating the intelligence of the low information voter
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Not really. She'll garner the usual 50% + or - like any Democrat will. What matters is the "+ or -". Predicting she'll win in a landslide over either Trump or Cruz is not looking at her realistically. Only way she'll win in a landslide is if the GOP pulls some BS at the convention and parachutes a RINO in to save the day. THEN she might win overwhelmingly as most Republican voters stay home, but that's the only scenario where she wins big (if at all).
Phillygunguy
04-06-16, 14:12
Not really. She'll garner the usual 50% + or - like any Democrat will. What matters is the "+ or -". Predicting she'll win in a landslide over either Trump or Cruz is not looking at her realistically. Only way she'll win in a landslide is if the GOP pulls some BS at the convention and parachutes a RINO in to save the day. THEN she might win overwhelmingly as most Republican voters stay home, but that's the only scenario where she wins big (if at all).
Oh the GOP is pulling some bs believe it
There are many establishment Rinos who hate both Cruz and Trump so much that if they get the nomination they will back Hillary.
Trump has had nothing but negative polls and has been trailing Hillary. Especially with this punish women for abortion comment.
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Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. See you in 365.
SWATcop556
SWATcop556
04-13-16, 17:32
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread discussions.
Nothing to see here.
BoringGuy45
04-13-16, 17:42
Your over estimating the intelligence of the low information voter
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True in many cases. However, even among most voters, Hillary is a reviled figure. Even most liberals I know are putting up as much anti-Hillary stuff as anti-Trump and anti-Cruz stuff. A lot of leftists will sit this one out if she hangs on to be the nominee. A lot of people may sit out on the other side if someone other than their choice of the current 3 GOP knuckleheads wins, but the number will be a lot lower IMO.
Phillygunguy
04-13-16, 17:46
True in many cases. However, even among most voters, Hillary is a reviled figure. Even most liberals I know are putting up as much anti-Hillary stuff as anti-Trump and anti-Cruz stuff. A lot of leftists will sit this one out if she hangs on to be the nominee. A lot of people may sit out on the other side if someone other than their choice of the current 3 GOP knuckleheads wins, but the number will be a lot lower IMO.
I don't think Cruz is a knuckle head
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So is that case Ted Cruz worked on off limits? I came here to respond ( after reading email feed ) and see it's gone along with the poster. It was the subject of the 5PM drive time radio today.
So the actual subject matter aside, what really worries me now is this...
Everyone will say people don't change. You can't flip flop.
Then they will say a Conservative is for small government.
It is common knowledge that Rights come from your creator and the Constitution / BOR limit the ones the Gov can usurp upon.
What I find very scary is that both Hillary Clinton and at one point Ted Cruz believe that Rights come from the Constitution. Also is clear Ted once certainly wanted Government getting involved in the most private areas of our lives and was using the 'fact' that the right was not in the Constitution so it didn't exist.
That is not Conservative and it's a bit telling the lengths he might go to for the wrong reasons.
Cruz' voting record is pretty damn good. I don't recall seeing anyone else standing up to the established politicians like he does. I am thrilled with the fact that the other politicians don't get along with him, it's those dirtbags that put us and keep us in the mess we're in now. When he stood on the floor of the Senate and called out the Senate leader on his lies, people like me stood up and cheered. I don't want someone who's going to make deals and get along with all the politicians raping and pillaging America and Americans while they do nothing other than grow their personal wealth. The fact that he's the only Constitutional conservative in the room makes me like him even more.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread discussions.
Nothing to see here.
Man, he was just turning his life around........
SWATcop556
04-14-16, 06:32
So is that case Ted Cruz worked on off limits? I came here to respond ( after reading email feed ) and see it's gone along with the poster. It was the subject of the 5PM drive time radio today.
So the actual subject matter aside, what really worries me now is this...
Everyone will say people don't change. You can't flip flop.
Then they will say a Conservative is for small government.
It is common knowledge that Rights come from your creator and the Constitution / BOR limit the ones the Gov can usurp upon.
What I find very scary is that both Hillary Clinton and at one point Ted Cruz believe that Rights come from the Constitution. Also is clear Ted once certainly wanted Government getting involved in the most private areas of our lives and was using the 'fact' that the right was not in the Constitution so it didn't exist.
That is not Conservative and it's a bit telling the lengths he might go to for the wrong reasons.
No the topic is still fine to discuss as adults. The drive by one liners, multiple complaints from multiple threads, several temp vacations, and still not correcting the behavior is unsat.
If you are the topic of conversation behind closed doors due to your infractions, that's not a good thing.
SWATcop556
04-14-16, 06:32
Man, he was just turning his life around........
They all are, aren't they.
SeriousStudent
04-14-16, 19:51
They all are, aren't they.
But he failed to mind his own business. :cool:
"There I was, Officer, minding my own business..."
Interesting economic policy debate on CNBC with Ted Cruz:
http://www.redstate.com/diary/apkyletexas/2016/04/15/cruz-goes-uber-wonk-cnbc-proves-hes-adult-race/
Interesting economic policy debate on CNBC with Ted Cruz:
http://www.redstate.com/diary/apkyletexas/2016/04/15/cruz-goes-uber-wonk-cnbc-proves-hes-adult-race/
Thanks Sensi for the link, wifey was telling me about this broadcast yesterday. We believe Ted is the only candidate at this time to hopefully save this train wreck in progress. He's been brilliant in every area he's been queried.
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