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Outlander Systems
03-18-16, 17:32
From: http://kfor.com/2016/03/17/carls-jr-ceo-wants-to-try-automated-restaurant-where-customers-never-see-a-person/
NEW YORK – A CEO of a fast-food company is causing a stir on social media after claiming that he wants to create a fully automated restaurant.
“We could have a restaurant that’s focused on all-natural products and is much like an Eatsa, where you order on a kiosk, you pay with a credit or debit card, your order pops up, and you never see a person,” Carl’s Jr. CEO Andy Puzder told Business Insider.
Puzder says the automated restaurant would be cheaper since he wouldn’t have to worry about rising minimum wage.
“If you’re making labor more expensive, and automation less expensive- this is not rocket science,” Puzder said.
“They’re always polite, they always upsell, they never take a vacation, they never show up late, there’s never a slip-and-fall, or an age, sex, or race discrimination case,” says Puzder of swapping employees for machines. “Millennials like not seeing people. I’ve been inside restaurants where we’ve installed ordering kiosks… and I’ve actually seen young people waiting in line to use the kiosk where there’s a person standing behind the counter, waiting on nobody.”
Boy, oh, boy.
The entitlement-minded seem to slither out of the woodwork, don't they? The CEO hasn't even started implementing the system, and already, the bedwetters are gnashing teeth and rending garments.
A little about me personally, I find the direction A.I. is headed will inevitably lead to overall bad ju-ju for humanity. That being said, Mr. Puzder is making a consideration for his business, that, from a rational, purely economic standpoint, is about as sound as it gets.
I don't eat fast food, and I don't consider it, "food", but from a health standpoint alone, an automated system removes the likelihood of Bubba or Tyrone's poopie fingers getting anywhere near my chow. Krystal and ShaNeNe won't be sneezing/coughing/spittling on Officer Farva's burger anymore either. Daryl and Rufus won't be having smoke breaks, and little Johhny won't need Friday night off for the prom.
Disclosure: I worked in Fast Food in high school, and I don't recall rubbing elbows with any scholars or gentlemen throughout my employment in that industry. Rather than bitch and stomp my feet, and demand more money, I went out and made an effort to achieve in life.
The "outrage" over this move, and this is coming from a guy who absolutely abhors A.I., is telling.
Anyone upset over this is screaming at the top of their lungs:
"I have no capacity for reasonable discourse. I am a dope."
Only pay people what they're worth.
This is a good thing. 15 an hour for fast food?
No.
The rest of the world does not care how many kids you have nor how much you owe on cars and rims. I have no kids and bought used simply because I enjoy leeway in life more than "status".
I know some College educated guys who drive money pit Audis they can only afford on paper. My truck is old and carts my fat ass just as good if not better.
Instead of raising minimum wage, how about stop punishing businesses and requiring healthcare?
There were a LOT of cheap plans available before Obamacare that covered pretty much anything.
Personal responsibility. That's the idea.
This business man is taking personal responsibility for his company. He isn't going into hock so Jamal can half ass make a hamburger and spit in it for 15 dollars an hour.
He'll just get a robot. Ugh...
Socialism will eventually cure itself once everyone realizes it isn't a cozy mcmansion where everyone gets a free prius, free macbook, free phone, and free wifi.
Socialism is 8 families sharing a flat meant for one.
ETA as for AI the very day the Japanese build a fully functional sexaroid is the day I totally swear off real women. Cook, clean, don't talk back, soulless, with eyes that glow an ominous red at twilight speaking in monotone that can ALSO guard my shit while I'm not home? Hells yeah. I'm getting a 5'10" and having it done up like a cross between the Major and Phoebe Cates from HELL, man
Or, simply pop a meal in the microwave.
No way that food isn't going to suck even more than fast food does now.
How old is this guy - someone should tell him to google 'automat' and ask him how many of those he still sees around.
You guys that are concerned about minimum wage, maybe we need to do something about bringing jobs back so that adults don't have to work McJobs and we can let kids work menial jobs.
I am long way from being a socialist, but damn, the way some of you guys want things guarantees that your kids and grand kids will end up indentured to the oligarchs.
This country was built on a strong middle class, for the life of me I can not understand the desire to put it out of business.
Outlander Systems
03-18-16, 18:20
You're welcome:
http://mashable.com/2016/01/08/naughty-america-vr-porn-experience/#MO8fD9Vi4mqr
^TOTALLY NSFW
ETA as for AI the very day the Japanese build a fully functional sexaroid is the day I totally swear off real women. Cook, clean, don't talk back, soulless, with eyes that glow an ominous red at twilight speaking in monotone that can ALSO guard my shit while I'm not home? Hells yeah. I'm getting a 5'10" and having it done up like a cross between the Major and Phoebe Cates from HELL, man
PS: I associate Audi with "Money Pit"
VR porn is great for roughing up the suspect but I want my 5'10" amazon sexbot to stand tall in leather jacket and miniskirt wearing whoreboots and aviators holding a benelli M4 SBR in one hand and a Mk. 18 in the other with two 40 rounders jungle taped who answers every knock at the door with "fvck you, asshole" in a deep voice.
Primus Pilum
03-18-16, 18:36
They are this way in Europe. People make the food and serve it, but all orders are placed via kiosk. It's great, money never touches their hands and you know the order is right before it gets punched in.
Only pay people what they're worth.
This is a good thing. 15 an hour for fast food?
No.
The rest of the world does not care how many kids you have nor how much you owe on cars and rims. I have no kids and bought used simply because I enjoy leeway in life more than "status".
I know some College educated guys who drive money pit Audis they can only afford on paper. My truck is old and carts my fat ass just as good if not better.
Instead of raising minimum wage, how about stop punishing businesses and requiring healthcare?
There were a LOT of cheap plans available before Obamacare that covered pretty much anything.
Personal responsibility. That's the idea.
This business man is taking personal responsibility for his company. He isn't going into hock so Jamal can half ass make a hamburger and spit in it for 15 dollars an hour.
He'll just get a robot. Ugh...
Socialism will eventually cure itself once everyone realizes it isn't a cozy mcmansion where everyone gets a free prius, free macbook, free phone, and free wifi.
Socialism is 8 families sharing a flat meant for one.
ETA as for AI the very day the Japanese build a fully functional sexaroid is the day I totally swear off real women. Cook, clean, don't talk back, soulless, with eyes that glow an ominous red at twilight speaking in monotone that can ALSO guard my shit while I'm not home? Hells yeah. I'm getting a 5'10" and having it done up like a cross between the Major and Phoebe Cates from HELL, man
That some funny S$&t! I am in total agreement.
Outlander Systems
03-18-16, 19:32
You LOL'd me with, "...roughing up the suspect."
VR porn is great for roughing up the suspect but I want my 5'10" amazon sexbot to stand tall in leather jacket and miniskirt wearing whoreboots and aviators holding a benelli M4 SBR in one hand and a Mk. 18 in the other with two 40 rounders jungle taped who answers every knock at the door with "fvck you, asshole" in a deep voice.
You LOL'd me with, "...roughing up the suspect."
Right? I actually have tears in my eyes.
Ff is a genius, dude should write some haiku's or maybe even a novel.
SomeOtherGuy
03-18-16, 20:06
So, Carl's Jr. is looking at going fully computerized. Anyone remember Idiocracy? Remember which fast-food chain was prominently featured in that movie for their defective fully-computerized food kiosks? Yup, Carl's Jr.
It's looking more and more like Idiocracy was some kind of warning from the future or predictive programming.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nkP2Mndeef4/VpKyUFNROzI/AAAAAAACB5Q/HcgHX0zIBWs/s1600/Vintage%2Bvending%2Bmachine%2B%25285%2529.jpg
Ahh, yes - two nickels (read the label) for a piece of coffee cake - those were the days, my friend, we thought they'd never end...
Auto-X Fil
03-18-16, 20:21
If you assign an arbitrarily high price to cigarettes (or Big Gulps), demand goes down. This is the desired effect, and everyone gets it.
But if you assign an artificially high price to labor, they expect demand to remain constant? Hmmm...
The automated restaurant thing might be kinda funny, but anyone notice the proliferation of grocery-store self-checkout? Let's get rid of entry-level jobs, and make more $100k domestic engineering jobs and overseas assembly jobs! This'll help the poorest citizens!
FlyingHunter
03-18-16, 20:26
The debate over minimum wage laws goes to the core of how we view the relationship between economics and politics. Politicians who enact these laws imagine themselves as central planners magically bringing compassion and high living standards into being with the stroke of a pen. People who support the laws have a flawed view of the market process that sees exploitation behind all exchange relationships. Unions that back them are selfishly using the political process to enrich themselves at others’ expense.
The actual reality is this: The minimum wage is a violent imposition on the freedom of association that harms all of society in the long run. The United States has been blessed by the fact that pressure to increase the minimum wage has been resisted at the federal level for many years. If we care about reducing unemployment and retaining the conditions for future prosperity, we had better not make the mistake of increasing it. If Congress had any economic sense, it would repeal all these laws forthwith. -
Moose-Knuckle
03-19-16, 02:12
Apart from the Marxist left implementing their workers paradise via the raise in the minimum wage causing companies like this to look at other options, Carl's Jr. has also announced they closing shop in CA. CA is taxing business to death so some companies are pulling up stakes. This is happening at the national level too where traditional US companies are moving overseas to survive high taxation here.
And for the record I'll trust a robot/automaton/cyborg with safe food handling over a human all the day long. In high school I too worked at a fast food joint, was the grill man aka burger flipper. One day I'll tell you gents all about my adventures in white privilege.
I promise you this: $15/Hour will be a reality! And you can bet the US will adopt a mandatory paid family leave program. Hillary says 90 days seems fair, Bernie was more in the 30-60 day, so your going to pay someone 1-3 months for free. Seems like every liberal wants to model our country after another, Australia with gun "buy back" programs, Denmark with free education/healthcare and now our business sector will look a lot like Holland, where you will not be able to fire a person without giving them 3 verbal warnings, 3 written warnings and having to appear before a counsel of business ethics to get your request to fire granted, then you have to compensate that individual until he or she finds a suitable job.
Its either some type of automated system put in place or its, "hi, welcome to McDonalds, would you like to try one of our $10 value meals".
polydeuces
03-19-16, 08:29
The one thing to keep in mind when using references to countries like holland and denmark is the fact that compared to the us they are small. Very small. Like- holland is 1/3 the size of florida. Many states are smaller than my county...
Also totally different social structures.
This creates a copletely different (economic) reality.
Fwiw-i dont hear a lot of complaints from anyone living in Denmark. Just an observation.
I also feel compelled to comment on a statement made regarding health-insurance plans that supposedly were available before 'obamacare'. Described as affordable and covering 'pretty much everything'. What universe, really? Clearly youre not the one dealing with health insurance-ever. Maybe define 'affordable' and 'pretty much everything'
I will shut up as soon as someone shows me just one of such plans.
Because they did/do not exist. Period.
Averageman
03-19-16, 09:46
My Son got a Fast Food job in High School at Taco Bell.
He is a pretty sharp kid, whenever he worked the register he would ask if the customer wanted their receipt most said no. He just filled out the customer survey on the back, usually extolling his virtues of service. He would laugh his ass off every time corporate would send someone down to interview him and give him another raise.
I think he was making close to twelve an hour when he moved on to greener pastures.
wildcard600
03-19-16, 10:18
Or, simply pop a meal in the microwave.
No way that food isn't going to suck even more than fast food does now.
How old is this guy - someone should tell him to google 'automat' and ask him how many of those he still sees around.
You guys that are concerned about minimum wage, maybe we need to do something about bringing jobs back so that adults don't have to work McJobs and we can let kids work menial jobs.
I am long way from being a socialist, but damn, the way some of you guys want things guarantees that your kids and grand kids will end up indentured to the oligarchs.
This country was built on a strong middle class, for the life of me I can not understand the desire to put it out of business.
Those "conservative" values at work. This is why you will never see any GOP action on immigration from the establishment. That cheap illegal labor is far too tempting.
Outlander Systems
03-19-16, 10:22
Don't hate the playa: hate the game.
My Son got a Fast Food job in High School at Taco Bell.
He is a pretty sharp kid, whenever he worked the register he would ask if the customer wanted their receipt most said no. He just filled out the customer survey on the back, usually extolling his virtues of service. He would laugh his ass off every time corporate would send someone down to interview him and give him another raise.
I think he was making close to twelve an hour when he moved on to greener pastures.
All I know is that my personal, non-employer provided insurance was pretty goddamn cheap pre-2008.
And you know....I'm at a point in life where digging a ditch would be a huge step up from the BS.
Quality of life is what I'm going for now.
I literally cannot wait for the day when everything finally comes home to roost.
Hoovervilles, high crime, and people jumping out of windows. People forget too easily.
Eventually shit piles up and can't be contained forever.
With every movement comes a backlash.
Life is a pendulum
Averageman
03-19-16, 11:07
I literally cannot wait for the day when everything finally comes home to roost.
Hoovervilles, high crime, and people jumping out of windows. People forget too easily.
Eventually shit piles up and can't be contained forever.
With every movement comes a backlash.
Life is a pendulum
Just a little background for those of you who didn't get American History in HS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-banded_armadillo#Hoover_hog
During the Great Depression, the species was hunted for its meat in East Texas, where it was known as the poor man’s pork,[21] or the "Hoover hog" by those who considered President Herbert Hoover to be responsible for the depression.[22] Earlier, German settlers in Texas would often refer to the armadillo asPanzerschwein ("armored pig").
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooverville
There were hundreds of Hoovervilles across the U.S. during the 1930s.[2] By 1932 millions of people were living outside their homes and hundreds of thousands were living on the streets.[2]
The Bonus Army, a group of World War I veterans seeking expedited benefits, established a Hooverville in Anacostiain the District of Columbia in 1932. At its maximum there were 15,000 people living there.[7] The camp was demolished by units of the U.S. Army, commanded by Gen. Douglas MacArthur.
Central Park, New York City: Scores of homeless families camped out at the Great Lawn at Central Park, then an empty reservoir.[8]
Riverside Park, New York City: A shantytown occupied Riverside Park at 72nd Street during the depression.[9]
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2412/after-the-1929-stock-market-crash-did-investors-really-jump-out-of-windows
Several well-publicized suicides did fulfill the stereotype. Winston Churchill, visiting New York, was awakened the day after Black Tuesday by the noise of a crowd outside the Savoy-Plaza Hotel. "Under my very window a gentleman cast himself down fifteen storeys and was dashed to pieces, causing a wild commotion and the arrival of the fire brigade," he wrote.
I'm not sure how many guys took the quick way out during the market crash, but I'm willing to bet this time it's many more. And then there will be folks who stashed 25% of their income in a 401K, I imagine a few of those folks will declare and "Open Season" on these Mopes.
I dunno, I don't look forward to it, but I'm guessing I'm a bit more prepared than your average "Hipster."
Averageman
03-19-16, 11:12
Don't hate the playa: hate the game.
I thought he would make a great Attorney with a fine future in Politics.
This is not a new prediction, I've listened to Tom Sullivan (financial tv/radio host) talk about this tied to minimum wage since the middle 80's
Mauser KAR98K
03-19-16, 11:23
Automation: Going Galt while still making money.
Outlander Systems
03-19-16, 11:37
Definitely got yourself a shrewd one.
I thought he would make a great Attorney with a fine future in Politics.
My Son got a Fast Food job in High School at Taco Bell.
He is a pretty sharp kid, whenever he worked the register he would ask if the customer wanted their receipt most said no. He just filled out the customer survey on the back, usually extolling his virtues of service. He would laugh his ass off every time corporate would send someone down to interview him and give him another raise.
I think he was making close to twelve an hour when he moved on to greener pastures.
Smarter than your average bear.
My uncle is the Chairman of the University of Miami, Bascom Palmer. He told me that Obamacare did nothing but create more Administration jobs. Apparently there are more administrators than doctors overall. A higher percent of health care cost go to administrators and most of those are not full time health care professionals, they are golfers.
My uncle is the Chairman of the University of Miami, Bascom Palmer. He told me that Obamacare did nothing but create more Administration jobs. Apparently there are more administrators than doctors overall. A higher percent of health care cost go to administrators and most of those are not full time health care professionals, they are golfers.
No, it was that way before Obamacare.
Read this - http://www.uta.edu/faculty/story/2311/Misc/2013,2,26,MedicalCostsDemandAndGreed.pdf
ramairthree
03-20-16, 00:54
How much does a CT machine cost?
To run and maintain?
I honestly don't know.
I do recall seeing somewhere there has only been about a 20% increase in doctors since 1970.
But a 2000% increase in in administrative and executive personnel.
(Something similar has occurred in college education with professors vs administrative staff)
Medical bills and tuition are paying these salaries.
Moose-Knuckle
03-20-16, 03:01
My uncle is the Chairman of the University of Miami, Bascom Palmer. He told me that Obamacare did nothing but create more Administration jobs. Apparently there are more administrators than doctors overall. A higher percent of health care cost go to administrators and most of those are not full time health care professionals, they are golfers.
My wife use to work in the corporate office of a medical holdings firm. They had a client that was a .gov contractor created after Obamacare. They had an office building with 200 employees making salary via the US tax payers in their cubicles doing NOTHING all day. Their "jobs" were created for nothing from nothing.
They had an office building with 200 employees making salary via the US tax payers in their cubicles doing NOTHING all day. Their "jobs" were created for nothing from nothing.
Well, that sounds about right.
A few years ago, I had fallen and had a major head injury where I lost my sense of taste and smell. I was taken to the hospital by ambulance. I was in the hospital for 4 days. The primary doctor had billed my insurance company around $11,000 and that covered his entire fee for that 4 days including 2 MRI's. I had to pay $288 out of pocket to the hospital. Not bad. However, there was a doctor who tried to bill my insurance company for over $70k. When denied by BCBS, he billed the government via Obamacare and got most of that money. The problem was I didn't have Obamacare and I was now getting back-charged by the hospital. I spent months getting everyone that was involve to figure this out. The doctor in question had only reviewed my charts and monitored me for about 5 minutes. After about a year, my insurance company said, figure this out on your own. The hospital sent my $43,000 outstanding medical bill to collections. I had no leg to stand on. All because of a doctor who made his living by fraudulently billing insurance companies. I hired a medical specialized law firm to assist me. I told the lawyer the whole story and then asked him, "do you handle these kinds of cases", he reminded me that I was in a recently remolded office building that cost over $40M to renovate, then shook his head and said, "we make our money on cases like yours". Apparently it happens 500 times a day just in DFW. Over $50 million false claims a Day just in Texas. We won the settlement but the only person that really won was the attorney. Nothing happened to that doctor, he still rotates between 4 hospitals and one of the highest paid doctors in Dallas, he is featured in the 2015 D Magazine 100 best doctors issue.
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