View Full Version : Suggestions for best available MilSpec single stage trigger???
Gents,
After further consideration, I am looking to swap out my RRA two stage trigger for a basic MilSpec single stage trigger in my duty carbine. From what I can find, Colt only makes .173" pin triggers so unless someone knows where I can find a .154" Colt semi-auto fire control group to fit in my Armalite lower, what would y'all suggest? Keep in mind this is my duty carbine, so NO high speed triggers please. Just a solid, reliable MilSpec single-stage. Thanks in advance!
Master_of_Sparks
08-20-08, 22:37
I like the LMT.
I like the LMT.
Me too....But who has them available for sale???
Gents,
After further consideration, I am looking to swap out my RRA two stage trigger for a basic MilSpec single stage trigger in my duty carbine. From what I can find, Colt only makes .173" pin triggers so unless someone knows where I can find a .154" Colt semi-auto fire control group to fit in my Armalite lower, what would y'all suggest? Keep in mind this is my duty carbine, so NO high speed triggers please. Just a solid, reliable MilSpec single-stage. Thanks in advance!
Are you making this decision because you are shying away from the RRA trigger or are you shying away from two-stage triggers in general?
Master_of_Sparks
08-20-08, 22:55
I got mine through a local dealer. I don't know where you are so check here for a dealer near you:
http://www.lewismachine.net/dealer.php
Are you making this decision because you are shying away from the RRA trigger or are you shying away from two-stage triggers in general?
I have many thousands of trouble-free rounds on my RRA 2-stage, but my decision is based strictly on potential liabilty issues, nothing against the RRA trigger at all.
I have many thousands of trouble-free rounds on my RRA 2-stage, but my decision is based strictly on potential liabilty issues, nothing against the RRA trigger at all.
Have you considered Armalite's Tactical two-stage? It's adjustable with spring settings (no screws) to pull around 5-7 lbs, IIRC, depending upon spring setting.
Kind of splits the difference between your typical two stage and a stock single stage.
I hear Anvil Arms makes a pretty good one. They sell a complete LPK for 55 bucks.. not a bad deal.
...so unless someone knows where I can find a .154" Colt semi-auto fire control group to fit in my Armalite lower...
specialized armament (http://www.specializedarmament.com/catalog/Colt_Rifle_Parts-4-0.html) has what you're looking for. Hope this helps...
specialized armament (http://www.specializedarmament.com/catalog/Colt_Rifle_Parts-4-0.html) has what you're looking for. Hope this helps...
They even have the whole LPK
here (http://www.specializedarmament.com/products/LOWER_REC_PARTS_KIT_COLT_0_155_SEMI-262-0.html)
You guys rule, Thanks!
Now, anyone know what the difference is between: SA06002http://www.specializedarmament.com/products/HAMMER_HAMMER_PIN_RETAINER_ASSY_0_155_SEMI_TYPE_I-239-4.html Hammer & Hammer pin retainer Assy. (0.155) Semi, (Type 1) $65.00
AND:
SP63009 http://www.specializedarmament.com/products/HAMMER_HAMMER_PIN_RETAINER_ASSY_0_155_SEMI_TYPE_II-240-4.html Hammer & Hammer pin retainer Assy. (0.155) Semi, (Type II) $45.00
The only difference in the description is that the first is "Type 1" and the second "Type II" and a $20 price difference....
one is notched, one isn't
http://www.specializedarmament.com/images/products/sa06002.jpg
http://www.specializedarmament.com/images/products/sp63009.jpg
From Brownells (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/schematics/schemmfg.aspx?schemid=804&m=3&mn=Colt%c2%ae&model=AR-15+Fire+Control+Assembly+All+Models#3):
SP62865 160-305-102 Hammer & Hammer Pin Retainer Assembly $46.00 (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=4851&title=HAMMER%20&%20HAMMER%20PIN%20RETAINER%20ASSEMBLY&s=10829#10829)
Fits AR-15 Carbine, 9mm; AR-15 Match Target Lightweight, 9mm
SP63165 160-305-100 Hammer w/Hammer Pin Retainer Fits $58.43 (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=4849&title=HAMMER%20W/HAMMER%20PIN%20RETAINER&s=10827#10827)
FITS: AR-15 Accurized HBAR, .223; AR-15 Government Carbine, .223; AR-15 Match Target, .223; AR-15 Match Target Competition HBAR, .223; AR-15 Match Target Competition HBAR II, .223; AR-15 Match Target HBAR, .223; AR-15 Match Target Lightweig
More info here
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=16484
Exactly what I was looking for! Thanks sooo much!
Old thread but would you have to buy both of these if you wanted to switch from a stock (crappy) RRA unit?
http://www.specializedarmament.com/products/HAMMER_HAMMER_PIN_RETAINER_ASSY_0_155_SEMI_TYPE_I-239-4.html
http://www.specializedarmament.com/products/TRIGGER_0_155_SEMI_CURRENT-356-4.html
I'd be interested to know as well. I really lucked out with my M&P15T - the trigger has no creep and a crisp, predictable break. It's nicer than any other GI AR trigger I've had the opportunity to shoot with or dry fire. It started out as nice as described above and has only smoothed out with use. I've not measured the pull weight but I suspect by feel it's right around 7 lbs as spec'd. While it may be considered too heavy for precision shooting I find I can shoot consistently out to 200 yards with excellent results given my limited but improving skills. I'll be purchasing a second carbine this coming year and I'd love to have a GI trigger group that feels as nice as this one for the next carbine.
I'm about to give one of these a try:
http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=425
bsmith_shoot
12-06-10, 19:42
I'm about to give one of these a try:
http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=425
They r good 2 go. Give it a try, you will like. Mine breaks at 5.2 lbs, with a very short pull and reset.
I'm about to give one of these a try:
http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=425
I have on order one of Spike's coated Fail Zero fire control group, which otherwise appears to be stock single stage. I expect it to be pretty good and go well with their FZ bolt carrier group.
I've read good things about the Spike's trigger group though the complete Spike's lower I handled this past week had a trigger with a good bit of creep before the break and was not very smooth. Is the trigger group linked above different than the one Spike's installs in their standard complete lower receiver?
I've read good things about the Spike's trigger group though the complete Spike's lower I handled this past week had a trigger with a good bit of creep before the break and was not very smooth. Is the trigger group linked above different than the one Spike's installs in their standard complete lower receiver?
It is a bit different due to the fact it is nickel boron coated and is found in the Spikes "Enhanced" LPK, as opposed to the standard LPK.
Like you, I too have a later model M&P15T and think the stock trigger is pretty good, but am going to try one of these anyway for comparison purposes.
It is a bit different due to the fact it is nickel boron coated and is found in the Spikes "Enhanced" LPK, as opposed to the standard LPK.
Like you, I too have a later model M&P15T and think the stock trigger is pretty good, but am going to try one of these anyway for comparison purposes.
Looking forward to reading about it! :)
I'd order one but then I'd need a lower receiver to put it in so I'd need a complete LPK really. Of course what's a complete lower with out a complete upper receiver. After placing orders for the aforementioned accessories to go along with the new trigger group I would have to explain the 'need' for these things to my wife. I'm trying to picture how that would go with Christmas right around the corner and it's not a pretty picture. :D Guess I'll have to wait....
Heartbreaker
12-07-10, 14:03
I'm coming up on 1k rounds or so with the Spike's, it's been great. Here's a short review (http://www.weaponsrelated.com/2010/11/review-spikes-battle-trigger.html) if interested:
I'm coming up on 1k rounds or so with the Spike's, it's been great. Here's a short review (http://www.weaponsrelated.com/2010/11/review-spikes-battle-trigger.html) if interested:
Thanks for putting that together - appreciated. Looking forward to getting mine - it will also be going in a high round count "do everything" rifle.
Exiledviking
12-08-10, 09:38
I don't have a whole lot of experience with AR triggers,FWIW, but I do with 1911 & Glock triggers and I am very impressed with the G&R Tac trigger that comes in their LPK. I now have 2 if them and when I go to build my next lower I will be buying another G&R.
Spike's enhanced, boron coated, FCG arrived yesterday. Put it in the wife's Smith and even though the Smith stock trigger was better than average, the Spikes is clear much better and IMHO, worth the money, particularly if you add the boron bolt carrier group as that makes the gun about lube free.
Dionysusigma
12-08-10, 19:01
I got my Spike's on Saturday, and took it to the range Monday night this week. Works exactly how others have described it, and smoothed up a heck of a lot after the range visit and a proper oiling (I use BP Turbo Oil 2380). Probably one of the best buys I've made in the AR realm. :)
Dropped in my Spikes battle trigger last night. It's not bad, however, made me realize how lucky I have been with my stock M&P15 trigger. Always thought it was pretty good as far as stock AR triggers go; now I know for sure. The Spikes had a little more creep (M&P15 virtually being creep free). Both triggers break about the same - just a hair under 6lbs.
So, I took the Spikes out of the 15 and dropped it in my 15-22 - it is definitely an improvement over the one that was in there, which is more typical of middle of the road AR triggers. I will do plenty of shooting with it; we'll see if it improves over time as it might by the sounds of other reports.
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