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Here's the fair and balanced headline:
"...NYPD cop shoots a dog DEAD at pointblank range with single bullet to the head even though beloved pet was not attacking him"
From my POV, not being an LEO, the officer went to the gun too fast, but I don't believe the LEO has to wait for the dog to attack to justify shooting the dog. I don't know what NYC SOP is in that situation.
In our current society where no one can take any responsibility for their own poor decisions - as chick in her underwear falls down stairs on her way to attack the cop shows what pillars of society you're dealing with there - they'll attempt to sue. RIP poor doggy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phTz5Gy9yU8
Cont:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3508779/NYPD-cop-shoots-dog-dead-single-gunshot-head-beloved-family-pet-not-attacking-him.html
I've got to tell you, I'm not really a dog person, but that dog didn't look like he was attacking. It looks like a goofy puppy just wondering what's going on. Looks like he used his partner as a backstop too.
I've got to tell you, I'm not really a dog person, but that dog didn't look like he was attacking. It looks like a goofy puppy just wondering what's going on. Looks like he used his partner as a backstop too.
Bad mojo that and good point.
Linebacker
03-25-16, 17:52
The reputation of the breed had a lot to do with the situation. The owners are totally responsible for the situation.
Eurodriver
03-25-16, 17:54
The reputation of the breed had a lot to do with the situation. The owners are totally responsible for the situation.
At first I went to call you a retard, but as a large dog owner I realize that if I had a knock at the door (especially if I saw it was LE) I would not let her run out the door. The owners are at fault.
However, the LEO is still a dirtbag who made a shit decision and should be disciplined for it.
Yep, don't think that dog was needing to be shot at that moment, everything I saw was 'hey look, new pals to play with.'
More moments of greatness from the only folks professional enough to carry guns in NYC
At first I went to call you a retard, but as a large dog owner I realize that if I had a knock at the door (especially if I saw it was LE) I would not let her run out the door. The owners are at fault.
However, the LEO is still a dirtbag who made a shit decision and should be disciplined for it.
That's where I'm at, really bad decision, and given he was in a residential stairwell probably put others at risk from ricochet, etc.
The old time cops I grew up around would have shaken their heads and said: "what a chicken****!"
I'm sure there are thousands of situations like this that are handled better, I hope so. But it seems like this is becoming more common, or at least we are seeing more videos.
I cannot imagine having to deal with stairways in rough buildings on a regular basis, it has to be hard and risky. But this type of shoot will only make things worse.
I hate to add to the hours and hours of training cops already get but in working with the K9 teams I learned what friendly and unfriendly dogs look like.
He could have OC'd the dog and been fine.
The reputation of the breed had a lot to do with the situation. The owners are totally responsible for the situation.
I agree. Sad situation. The owners are absolutely responsible and should not have let the dog run free. Typical SNAFU.
No. Not seeing how Rover needed to die.
Leaveammoforme
03-25-16, 19:02
The reputation of the breed had a lot to do with the situation. The owners are totally responsible for the situation.
I completely agree.
Not having audio leaves questions. Was a statement made by the tenant before opening the door?
In my best Mr. Burns voice....."Release the hounds."
While it's apparent to me watching the video that the pup is acting playful maybe the LEO had reason to already almost have his pistol out. That was a super fast draw otherwise. I've seen dudes come out of a Level 3 fast before but geez.
Dog appeared younger than the 4 years old stated by article. Maybe 4 months? But, if it was a 4 year old pit I personally wouldn't retreat down stairs putting it at head level.
The vast majority of times I call out "Oranges" to my family members in public is due to pits. If the owners haven't cut the ears or tail I drop the alarm to "Bananas". Haven't had to go full on "Apples" over a dog yet.
Sometimes the wrong call is made in split second decisions. Sucks, but that's life.
RIP puppy.
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-25-16, 19:09
Audio would help. The backstop issue is the real problem. Confined space, ceramic floor and 9mm shot from the hip. What can go wrong. I don't want to get bit, but I'd rather wait for a near contact shot than that Annie Oakley.
Might as well added some Tannerite for full fun potential.
FlyingHunter
03-25-16, 19:42
It appears his line of fire put his partner at serious risk.
Looks like plenty of blame for both parties.
I know how squirrely cops can get about dogs, I wouldn't want to introduce mine to a unknown LEO.
I want audio on this before I'd make a call either way.
I've done bite work with pitties since the early 90's. A lot of them move kind of stiff and silly like that when they are after a bite. Many of them look pretty happy as they bear down on you in a bite suit. My point is that I can't get a read on this dog from what is shown in that video. The way it forced its way out the door was pretty aggressive. The way it looked to the right at the parter and then went toward the shooter was telling too. It was assessing the situation and decided which way to go first. Targeting. And tail wagging is a sign of excitement, not happiness. You'll never see a dogs tail wag faster than when its about to get a bite. This might have been a bold, confident pup going out to excitedly greet new friends, or it could have been going for a territorial bite.
Sad either way. That house full of dipsticks should have kept the dog inside. How many people are living in that little flat anyway?
I've got to tell you, I'm not really a dog person, but that dog didn't look like he was attacking. It looks like a goofy puppy just wondering what's going on. Looks like he used his partner as a backstop too.
I can't say that I disagree with you on this one so far. I would like some audio and a better camera angle before I make a final decision. However, I doubt that we will get either.
Given the situation I think a swift kick would have been a better choice then going right for the shot. Gun in hand, create space be dominant...yell something, kick if the dog continues to close.
Shame on the owners for not controlling their pet. The shitty thing about this situation is that everyone involved had better choices.
I want audio on this before I'd make a call either way.
I've done bite work with pitties since the early 90's. A lot of them move kind of stiff and silly like that when they are after a bite. Many of them look pretty happy as they bear down on you in a bite suit. My point is that I can't get a read on this dog from what is shown in that video. The way it forced its way out the door was pretty aggressive. The way it looked to the right at the parter and then went toward the shooter was telling too. It was assessing the situation and decided which way to go first. Targeting. And tail wagging is a sign of excitement, not happiness. You'll never see a dogs tail wag faster than when its about to get a bite. This might have been a bold, confident pup going out to excitedly greet new friends, or it could have been going for a territorial bite.
Sad either way. That house full of dipsticks should have kept the dog inside. How many people are living in that little flat anyway?
Good info, didn't know that. I always thought the went up. I've only seen a bite twice and dogs went stiff before it. My initial thought was the dogs whole ass was wagging, happy to see someone.
At the end of the day, looks like they sent their dog out, it's their fault, imo. Thats the risk of having a loose dog.
ColtSeavers
03-25-16, 22:02
Cop is a Panty waisted POS that doesn't give a rat's behind about anyone but himself.
Blue Falcon partner as a backstop?
Use apartment residential interior walls as backstop?
Shoot from the hip?
Not see pup wagging it's tail with no haunches raises or teeth bared?
No, Officer Sally peed herself, overeacted and showed true colors, shoot first and worry about the right thing later.
The only thing I will give credit to Officer Sally for is not having mag dumped.
daddyusmaximus
03-25-16, 22:28
In the photo where you can see the muzzle flash, you can also plainly see the dog just standing, there non-threatening, tail down. In the video, you can also see the dog was only advancing (slowly) to see who this guy was. The dog was not acting dangerous. This was not called for... not even close.
My dog wags his tail and does not bark before he bites.
These are the questions I would ask before making the decision on weather that cop should have shot or not....
1.) Why were they there?
2.) What was said before the door was opened?
3.) How did the dog behave before the door was opened?
4.) Were the occupants directed to secure the dog before opening the door?
5.) What was the past history at that residence if any?
6.) Was his gun out because of the call or did he hear the dog barking?
If I had only the video to go by, I would surmise that the cop is not a dog guy or was afraid and that dog immediately sensed that. A dog that senses fear will go toward the person instinctively.
I want audio on this before I'd make a call either way.
I've done bite work with pitties since the early 90's. A lot of them move kind of stiff and silly like that when they are after a bite. Many of them look pretty happy as they bear down on you in a bite suit. My point is that I can't get a read on this dog from what is shown in that video. The way it forced its way out the door was pretty aggressive. The way it looked to the right at the parter and then went toward the shooter was telling too. It was assessing the situation and decided which way to go first. Targeting. And tail wagging is a sign of excitement, not happiness. You'll never see a dogs tail wag faster than when its about to get a bite. This might have been a bold, confident pup going out to excitedly greet new friends, or it could have been going for a territorial bite.
Sad either way. That house full of dipsticks should have kept the dog inside. How many people are living in that little flat anyway?
All good points, To me it looks like the dog was barking as it moved towards the cop right before being shot. I also looked like it was slipping on the tile floor as it moved. Audio would really help with accessing what actually happened.
titsonritz
03-25-16, 22:50
The dog is wagging it's tail, that is messed up.
mikelowrey
03-25-16, 22:54
I want audio on this before I'd make a call either way.
I've done bite work with pitties since the early 90's. A lot of them move kind of stiff and silly like that when they are after a bite. Many of them look pretty happy as they bear down on you in a bite suit. My point is that I can't get a read on this dog from what is shown in that video. The way it forced its way out the door was pretty aggressive. The way it looked to the right at the parter and then went toward the shooter was telling too. It was assessing the situation and decided which way to go first. Targeting. And tail wagging is a sign of excitement, not happiness. You'll never see a dogs tail wag faster than when its about to get a bite. This might have been a bold, confident pup going out to excitedly greet new friends, or it could have been going for a territorial bite.
Sad either way. That house full of dipsticks should have kept the dog inside. How many people are living in that little flat anyway?
My dog wags his tail and does not bark before he bites.
These are the questions I would ask before making the decision on weather that cop should have shot or not....
1.) Why were they there?
2.) What was said before the door was opened?
3.) How did the dog behave before the door was opened?
4.) Were the occupants directed to secure the dog before opening the door?
5.) What was the past history at that residence if any?
6.) Was his gun out because of the call or did he hear the dog barking?
If I had only the video to go by, I would surmise that the cop is not a dog guy or was afraid and that dog immediately sensed that. A dog that senses fear will go toward the person instinctively.
Best posts of all. I had a pit coming at me wagging his tail while trying to grab my arm, then you know the rest. Things to look at is if this officer had any previous encounters with dogs, has he been bitten before? etc.. I been bitten several times by different dogs and seen the pits bite others close to me, locking their jaws, no fun at all. Funny thing is, every time I go visit friends or family that have dogs, the first thing they do is secure the dog, while in NYC 95% of owners with dogs, is the dog greeting you.
idiots on both sides sadly make a bad situation
the owner should not have let it out ? the cop should not have shot the dog but I will put more blame on the owner she could have said hang on I have to secure my dog !
sadly the dog was out of the home !
that was not I am going to bite you behavior IMHO but dogs are not totally all the same or predictable and can change in a instant so from the vid who knows
but the attack by the person on the LEO shows how pathetic some people are to !!!
agree why were they there ? background before hand with the idiot owner ?
Averageman
03-26-16, 11:08
If the dog was coming out the door to attack, he had the Officer on the left side of the camera frame cornered. The dog pretty much eyeballed that guy and went toward the Officer who was moving backwards and drawing his gun.
Yeah I would like audio, but I'm wondering if the dog came out the door aggressive or just curious and happy?
I guess we will never know, but what we do know is the Guy doing the shooting is damned lucky he didn't kill his partner or some kid in the apartment shooting like that.
I've got a pit mix and when someone knocks on my door, I eyeball them and then either ignore the knock, lock the dog up and answer the door.
She's gotten away from the yard before. She mostly runs after cats, try's to lick everyone in sight or just runs like hell because it must feel good. I would hate to see her shot for that.
Best posts of all. I had a pit coming at me wagging his tail while trying to grab my arm, then you know the rest. Things to look at is if this officer had any previous encounters with dogs, has he been bitten before? etc.. I been bitten several times by different dogs and seen the pits bite others close to me, locking their jaws, no fun at all. Funny thing is, every time I go visit friends or family that have dogs, the first thing they do is secure the dog, while in NYC 95% of owners with dogs, is the dog greeting you.
There is no such thing as "locking their jaw".
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You don't need audio to tell they're a pussy. It's NYPD take cover when they draw
Curious: Do we have any vets, vet techs, animal behavioral specialists, dog trainers, MWD or PSD handlers, etc posting in this thread?
The doggy could've been sniffing for a new friend or about to reach up for a femoral. That video doesn't look favorable. But if truly threatened OC and a Taser would've altered the outcome.
I also didn't see too officers working together on that one. Just one plugging a pooch and the other just being part of the scenery
Eurodriver
03-26-16, 15:51
The doggy could've been sniffing for a new friend or about to reach up for a femoral. That video doesn't look favorable. But if truly threatened OC and a Taser would've altered the outcome.
I also didn't see too officers working together on that one. Just one plugging a pooch and the other just being part of the scenery
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?1238-Man-shot-after-attempts-to-subdue-him-fail
These officers tried to stop this wingnut with a SIM. I know that it was dangerous for the officers, and probably not tactically advisable, however, the public is not going to accept us just shooting every suicidal suspect with a knife just because it's dangerous for the officers.
If cops shot every suicidal suspect we could legally shoot, you could stack the bodies like cord-wood.
The public expects us to take risks; we try to save lives. Somewhere, in between all this BS, officer safety is one concern and in my experience, often the last concern.
Some 10 year old wisdom that is seemingly lost on LE these days.
In short, we pay you and when you do shit we don't like (even though it's safe for you) or even do things that we perceive are bad, then we no longer want to pay you.
I watched it again. I see one officer reacting to another officer pulling his sidearm. A Dogs nose is insanely more sensitive than a humans so OC and certainly a taser could've been more humane. I saw no cover contact.
I DID see two guys diddybopping to an apartment with that "Not this bullshit again" mentality. The showing out by the residents kinda reinforces that.
LE is an edgy, BS job with no real support or consideration. No matter what happens, it's always your fault even if you do everything right.
My deal is....not enough people stand in front of a mirror and ask themselves "Do I really need to be doing this.
Could've gone better, could've gone a lot worse. He misses or skips a bullet and hits his partner or worse one of these yabs who need mo' gibs for their "pain and suffering an' shit"
F' it. It happened. And the only one I feel bad for is the dog.
Curious: Do we have any vets, vet techs, animal behavioral specialists, dog trainers, MWD or PSD handlers, etc posting in this thread?
My dog is trained for protection, I do bite work with him. I do not use him for work, he watches the house....
Curious: Do we have any vets, vet techs, animal behavioral specialists, dog trainers, MWD or PSD handlers, etc posting in this thread?
Yes Sir. At your service.
Dog training has been my passion since I was a wee lad and my profession since the early 90's. I've done all sorts of training, but problem solving, aggression issues, and personal protection training both for private parities and for multiple sports, has been my specialty since my apprenticeship in the early 90's. I earned multiple National and Regional titles in bite work sports and if you've seen dog aggression in a movie or television show in the last 15 years, you've very likely seen some of my work.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
03-26-16, 23:51
Some really idiotic posts in here. Since when did a dog with a wagging tail automatically mean a nice and non threatening dog? My boxer wags her nub ALL the time, regardless of anger or happiness. There's no audio, how the hell do we jump to the conclusion that the dog wasnt growling and barking?
Some really idiotic posts in here. Since when did a dog with a wagging tail automatically mean a nice and non threatening dog? My boxer wags her nub ALL the time, regardless of anger or happiness. There's no audio, how the hell do we jump to the conclusion that the dog wasnt growling and barking?
I would not have used those words with regard to my fellow M4C members, but I agree with your point.
What you bring up is a common misconception with the general public who do not regularly do aggression work with dogs. Tail wagging does not mean "happy" or "friendly".
Further, many people fail to understand the differences between "defensive aggression" with ears back, tail tucked, and teeth bared, and "prey driven aggression" with ears up, tail wagging, and silence from the dog. Prey driven aggression is very common in pit bulls and it looks an awful lot like what is shown in the video sometimes.
Having audio for this video would likely have given more clues as to what was really going on, and the absence of audio is a red flag if I ever saw one.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
03-27-16, 00:14
I would not have used those words with regard to my fellow M4C members, but I agree with your point.
What you bring up is a common misconception with the general public who do not regularly do aggression work with dogs. Tail wagging does not mean "happy" or "friendly".
Further, many people fail to understand the differences between "defensive aggression" with ears back, tail tucked, and teeth bared, and "prey driven aggression" with ears up, tail wagging, and silence from the dog. Prey driven aggression is very common in pit bulls and it looks an awful lot like what is shown in the video sometimes.
Having audio for this video would likely have given more clues as to what was really going on, and the absence of audio is a red flag if I ever saw one.
They aren't idiotic posters, but there are certainly some idiotic posts. Yours, sir, is not one of them. While I respect most, if not all of, the posters in this thread I will not stay silent while people go WAY out of their lanes.
Moose-Knuckle
03-27-16, 03:47
#DogLivesMatter
Too soon? :jester:
#DogLivesMatter
Too soon? :jester:
Well, it was a black dog. I'm surprised the BLM crowd hasn't protested yet.
Straight Shooter
03-27-16, 07:50
Ive watched it a few times now, and had to delete my original post so as to not be banned.
Ill just say this was not a good shoot, I hope some sort of punishment happens to the cop, and I hope the dogs owner get some LARGE amount of compensation. Just..complete..bullshit.
I just watched it again, I'm pretty sure the dog is barking right before the shot is fired. That is however what dogs do, they bark and wag their tails.
The one thing I noticed though... there is a shelf or something right of the door opening. The dog you can see squeezing around the door as his body arcs and he wedges his way out. What I noticed after that though was a hand reaching around the door frame.
To me that hand seems unusually low. It's just at the door knob level. It seems like maybe it's a child. Most adults would not wrap their hand around like that nor that low. If the intention was to keep the door shut you normally put one hand on inside door knob, one hand about shoulder level pressing and perhaps your knee or hip as well.
Now the dog should not have gotten out off a leash but what if it was a child behind the door and the police are saying open the door. They try to comply, the dog escapes which they will do, then the child doesn't know what to do and stays behind the door. It's just a theory, but something definitely went wrong that no one was expecting.
There is a little girl in a red sweatshirt in the hall afterwards and a huge red blob in the digitized dead dog. I think that is her with her dog. The red is her sweatshirt. She would also be the most likely to get confused over trying to comply with police and be able to secure the dog in the process, etc..
Yes Sir. At your service.
Dog training has been my passion since I was a wee lad and my profession since the early 90's. I've done all sorts of training, but problem solving, aggression issues, and personal protection training both for private parities and for multiple sports, has been my specialty since my apprenticeship in the early 90's. I earned multiple National and Regional titles in bite work sports and if you've seen dog aggression in a movie or television show in the last 15 years, you've very likely seen some of my work.
Thank you for your contribution.
That's a bad shoot period. If for no other reason- his partner and occupants of the apartment behind what he's shooting at.
Worked with Pitt bulls for 15 years and I know them well.
-Whoever thinks dogs have "lockjaw" is in need of some education.
-Didn't see any aggressive behavior in the video. Not the best view/info to go off of, but from what we've got it wasn't aggressive.
New Yorks finest strike again. Shoot first asses later. NYC business as usual.
Linebacker
03-27-16, 14:28
Law enforcement has moved away from physical confrontations which results in far more shootings as compared to 25+ years ago. Part of the reason is, federal guidlines which mandates the hire of previously unqualified prospects. Here is a video clip of an old school Florida Deputy Sheriff manhandling two hardened criminals on a Florida beach. Check this out. :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmGVrRHOB10
Perhaps the officer acted irresponsibly and perhaps not. Hard to say from video as I know little of dog behavior. My experience with nypd is that most are social workers with guns and have limited training with the weapons they are issued.
New Yorks finest strike again. Shoot first asses later. NYC business as usual.
Thank goodness they didn't assess - if they had we'd have been subjected to 20 minutes of them trying to sodomize the dog with a nightstick during questioning.
This is an attacking dog for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd1DkAJVYsU#t=70s
Fast approach, squared up (no wiggly tail wagging), and most importantly TRYING TO BITE YOU
Some really idiotic posts in here. ... There's no audio, how the hell do we jump to the conclusion that the dog wasnt growling and barking?By watching the video. Dogs have to open their mouths to bark. Or to growl. Irrelevant anyways. Growling and barking are defense mechanisms to avoid an attack. If a police officer shoots everyone who yells at them they would have a very short career.
Any one advocating discharging a weapon in a crowded stairwell with that backdrop, at a non-attacking and non-threatening 60 lb animal is definitely not in my lane. No one likes armchair quarterbacks but I don't want officer Jumpy around me ever.
Here's another attack video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnTJJfJLfo0#t=33
Officer defended himself. Difference in behavior pretty self evident
LowSpeed_HighDrag
03-27-16, 21:30
Here's another attack video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnTJJfJLfo0#t=33
Officer defended himself. Difference in behavior pretty self evident
Oh ok, tell me again how all dogs attack the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBW5dfRoG7Q
LowSpeed_HighDrag
03-27-16, 21:37
I have no skin in the game, and the cop is an idiot for shooting in the environment he did, but I am sick of seeing people jumping to conclusions with NO knowledge.
First of all, I am not LE, but I ride with the Sheriff's Mounted Posse for search and rescue. My time before and after the military was and is rural ranching, and I deal with the beasts of the field all the time. I've also been around feral dogs over the years. I have watched the video over and over and these are my conclusions, for whatever they're worth.
I have seen dogs wag their tail while growling at the same time. This may or may not have been the case. Considering the size of the dog, if it was growling, a swift kick would have taken some of the aggression out of it. Any of you remember the two pronged zappers you could buy for incapacitating some one. Push the trigger and it makes a snapping sound. Dogs freak out when they hear that. I applied both prongs to one aggressive pooch and it practically did a back flip. Something a cop needs to have? If he had something like a deployable baton like an ASP; that could be used as well. A mild push or strike with that tool and Fido is redirecting his attention elsewhere.
Sometimes you may have an urban cop with little experience with four legged critters. Maybe this NYPD officer was a lifelong city boy and is scared to death of anything that runs around on all fours? He'd probably freak out with what he would experience on a working ranch. Horses like to nuzzle on your shirt sleeves and he'd probably deploy his weapon when experiencing something like that.
Finally, shooting in a confined space with your partner so close and down range. There was a good chance of complete penetration of the pooch and that round continuing it's path somewhere off camera. This cop needs to experience some refresher courses in the use of his weapon. I did note the officer already had his weapon un-holstered before the door was opened. Is that SOP for responding to a domestic disturbance call in most urban areas?
Averageman
03-27-16, 22:29
Oh ok, tell me again how all dogs attack the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBW5dfRoG7Q
I cannot believe that Mom didn't pick the kid up and run him in to the house.
Leaving him out there?
WTF?
Oh ok, tell me again how all dogs attack the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBW5dfRoG7QSo you are saying an animal will attack a grown man differently than unsuspecting small prey? I agree with you then.
A lot of this has to do with the ****ing trash around. They don't take care of their kids you can't expect them to take care of their dogs and you do have dangerous animals. But I would put good money on this dog being extremely friendly with its behavior on video and especially with the number of people it probably came into contact with on a daily basis.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
03-28-16, 19:18
I talked to one of our old timers today who worked rural patrol back in the 70's to now. I asked him about how he has always handled vicious dogs. He said spray em, kick em, or whack em. I tend to agree with him....FYI.
As I read this thread, I keep seeing a recurring incorrect notion. I mean in addition to the "lock-jaw" comment.
Kicking an aggressive dog is not a wise move in most cases. Yes, some percentage of dogs will be weak minded enough, or just not committed to the bite enough for kicking to work as a defense. If this technique is attempted with the wrong dog the result is likely to end badly. Very badly.
Just felt that I should mention that kicking is not a defense against an aggressive dog I would recommend.
I dunno guys. The way I see it the owner should have never let the dog out of the apartment but that cop should loose his job. Asshats on both sides for sure but the cop should be held to a higher standard.
Moose-Knuckle
03-28-16, 23:58
Video in link to multiple dog killings.
Videos Show Cops Fatally Shooting Pet Dogs After Responding to Wrong Homes
It's been estimated that half of the times cops fire their guns, it's being directed at a dog.
http://news.yahoo.com/videos-show-cops-fatally-shooting-201700770.html
I have no skin in the game, and the cop is an idiot for shooting in the environment he did, but I am sick of seeing people jumping to conclusions with NO knowledge.
New to the internet are you? :cool:
Leaveammoforme
03-29-16, 21:15
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=THMY4yJD7PI
Friggin' Malinois. They are born knowing what to do!!!
Supreme working dog of the universe.
Law enforcement has moved away from physical confrontations which results in far more shootings as compared to 25+ years ago. Part of the reason is, federal guidlines which mandates the hire of previously unqualified prospects. Here is a video clip of an old school Florida Deputy Sheriff manhandling two hardened criminals on a Florida beach. Check this out. :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmGVrRHOB10
I've seen that video a few times. I don't think it is "old school" it is not an example of sound tactics either. It was published in 2015. I don't know what the reason for the arrest was. I do know he was very lucky it turned out as well as it did. Old school would have been a video shot on VHS. Not a cell phone. :cool:
Linebacker
03-29-16, 22:04
I've seen that video a few times. I don't think it is "old school" it is not an example of sound tactics either. It was published in 2015. I don't know what the reason for the arrest was. I do know he was very lucky it turned out as well as it did. Old school would have been a video shot on VHS. Not a cell phone. :cool:
The point is, law enforcement resorts to firearms much more than yesteryear. With regard to the video, to my surprise as well, the two thugs were career criminals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8cdS5hv2XA
Moose-Knuckle
04-03-16, 03:35
Too good not to share, all in good fun considering . . .
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1646/26179055456_dba88c1af3_b.jpg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=THMY4yJD7PI
Ha...looks like at the end of the video, the pup is like "I got 'em...hook 'em up!!!"
Haaaaaa that's funny
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When looking at this situation one cannot compare the dogs reaction to that of a trained attack dog. A trained dog will appear focused but happy when attacking. If you've ever looked down at a dog attacking while in a bite suit, it looks like they wouldn't be happier doing anything else. Just like a dog playing fetch they are happy because they are trained and praised/rewarded for doing it.
An untrained dog typically attacks out of fright or something it perceives as prey, and it's body language will be different for both situations. In this circumstance, I see absolutely no video evidence of the dog having either emotion that would have justified deadly force. Especially with all the possible collateral damage in this situation. Key word is video evidence though and one can't get a full idea of all factors involved without having some background information and audio.
I'm no expert, but have been on the receiving end of trained attack dogs while wearing a suit and have been around 60+ pound "attack dog breeds" (pits and german shepherds) all my life.
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