Solid Purchase? -- Checking before I hit Buy -- Glock 17 Sights

[bushwacked]

I am thinking about picking up a set of Dawson Precision sights ... I dont really need night sights so tritium stuff is out for the most part. I am looking for something quick and easy to pick up my sight picture so that is why I was wanting to go clean rear with FO front ...


The ones below:

Rear 017-012

https://dawsonprecision.com/glock-adjustable-black-rear-sights/

Front .285 tall for the G 17.

https://dawsonprecision.com/glock-fiber-optic-front-sights-1/


I have looked at a lot of sights and these seem to keep popping back up. I am not sure if I will like the plain black rear over serrated though ... thoughts on that?

[Failure2Stop]

Any particular reason you're getting the adjustable rear?

[26 Inf]

I use that front and this rear:

https://dawsonprecision.com/dawson-precision-glock-fixed-competition-black-rear-sights/

I don't care for adjustable sights on pistols if I can avoid them.

I've never had to do this, for some reason I'm usually 'on' with factory sights, but with the Dawson 'Sight Math' application, if you know where it shoots you can figure out what sights you need:

https://dawsonprecision.com/sight-calculator/

ETA: this is my go to set from them - https://dawsonprecision.com/1-seller-dawson-precision-glock-fixed-competition-sight-set-black-rear-fiber-optic-front/

[bushwacked]

Well, Not really besides this will be used on the range or out plinking. Figure it would be nice to get everything lined up with ease. I know every so often I will need to recheck my sights to make sure the screws have not moved over the course of shooting. Just figure the adjustable would be the best and easiest to get sighted in correctly ???

[okie john]

I've had good luck with the Dawsons. Never used an FO front, though.


Okie John

[signal4l]

I have had good luck with Ameriglo. Either the hack or protector sets

[Linebacker]

+1 Ameriglo.

[Tigereye]

I like a plain rear and FO front but I've used Warren Sevigny with the set up.

[Beef15]

I like a plain rear and FO front but I've used Warren Sevigny with the set up.
Pretty partial to this combo myself, but like the semi u-notch of the regular Warrens.

[Tequila45]

I like a plain rear and FO front but I've used Warren Sevigny with the set up.

+1^^^^^

[samuse]

Sights are about as personal as insoles for your shoes. You'll likely try everything eventually so buy an MGW straight side sight pusher and the Glock front sight tool first. You're gonna need it!

[signal4l]

Sights are about as personal as insoles for your shoes. You'll likely try everything eventually so buy an MGW straight side sight pusher and the Glock front sight tool first. You're gonna need it!

I agree.

[bushwacked]

I use that front and this rear:

https://dawsonprecision.com/dawson-precision-glock-fixed-competition-black-rear-sights/

I don't care for adjustable sights on pistols if I can avoid them.

I've never had to do this, for some reason I'm usually 'on' with factory sights, but with the Dawson 'Sight Math' application, if you know where it shoots you can figure out what sights you need:

https://dawsonprecision.com/sight-calculator/

ETA: this is my go to set from them - https://dawsonprecision.com/1-seller-dawson-precision-glock-fixed-competition-sight-set-black-rear-fiber-optic-front/

Are those your go to even before you know how the gun shoots? Or do you still make sure they will fit according to how your gun is shooting?

one reason I was wanting adjustable was that I could be 1 and done ... If I liked the sight picture because I could adjust and get the sights 100%




I have had good luck with Ameriglo. Either the hack or protector sets

I have looked into those a lot and they are a close 2nd


Sights are about as personal as insoles for your shoes. You'll likely try everything eventually so buy an MGW straight side sight pusher and the Glock front sight tool first. You're gonna need it!

agree ... I have a sight pusher and the front sight tool as well. I just dont have the sights haha :)

[26 Inf]

Are those your go to even before you know how the gun shoots? Or do you still make sure they will fit according to how your gun is shooting?

No, I've never put new sights on a pistol before I've shot it. Most good quality pistols shoot pretty close to point of aim out of the box.

I'm a trainer at a police academy, sometimes officers have a) gone through some agency training , or b) shot on their own before they come to us. Sometimes they have made sight adjustments (drifting the rear sight) to correct a shooting issue. Often when we get them grouping we need to undo the sight adjustment they've made, because we've fixed the underlying 'person holding the gun' problem.

You can not make sight useful adjustments before you can shoot a group.

JMO

[Failure2Stop]

Well, Not really besides this will be used on the range or out plinking. Figure it would be nice to get everything lined up with ease. I know every so often I will need to recheck my sights to make sure the screws have not moved over the course of shooting. Just figure the adjustable would be the best and easiest to get sighted in correctly ???

I have a set of the adjustable Dawson's as well as sets of the "regular" FO front/plain rear.
I prefer the normal type overall.
I got the adjustables for a G41 since the height configurations for that gun weren't well documented when I bought them.
They're nice sights, don't get me wrong, but if I were doing it again, I would get the fixed sights and just fiddle with the front sight height for my preferred POA/POI.
There have been more than a few reports of the adjustable sights coming apart during use. I have not experienced that phenomenon, but having a single piece rear sight pretty much eliminates that concern.
If you get the fixed, Dawson will swap the front sights to get you the POI you want.
I have found that most 9mm ammo in the 124 and 115 range shoots to close enough POI to not worry about an adjustable rear, but I usually buy ammo at not less than 2k per shipment and check POI when I get a new batch.

Now, after all of that, I am geing to be getting a set of Vogel's sights for my gamer 34 and 35. They are really nice and put the FO as close to the tip of the front sight as practically possible.
http://www.recoilweb.com/vogel-dynamics-glock-pistol-sights-86925.html

[bushwacked]

No, I've never put new sights on a pistol before I've shot it. Most good quality pistols shoot pretty close to point of aim out of the box.

I'm a trainer at a police academy, sometimes officers have a) gone through some agency training , or b) shot on their own before they come to us. Sometimes they have made sight adjustments (drifting the rear sight) to correct a shooting issue. Often when we get them grouping we need to undo the sight adjustment they've made, because we've fixed the underlying 'person holding the gun' problem.

You can not make sight useful adjustments before you can shoot a group.

JMO

well for now this is where I am at ...

15 yards ...
http://i64.tinypic.com/2e3n85c.jpg


7 yards ....
http://i68.tinypic.com/32zsvhu.jpg



more practice before I consider sights? or is that a good enough reading to pick some out? That was just one of each of my tests at that range ...

[Failure2Stop]

well for now this is where I am at ...
15 yards ...
7 yards ....
more practice before I consider sights? or is that a good enough reading to pick some out? That was just one of each of my tests at that range ...

I have no issue at all with someone changing to decent sights for their pistol at any point in ownership.
There are no shortage of good Glock sights these days, so long as one is educated sufficiently to avoid the novelty/silly/good idea fairy sights.

Does look like you have some anticipation of recoil to work out, but that can be done with any sighting system.

[bushwacked]

I have no issue at all with someone changing to decent sights for their pistol at any point in ownership.
There are no shortage of good Glock sights these days, so long as one is educated sufficiently to avoid the novelty/silly/good idea fairy sights.

Does look like you have some anticipation of recoil to work out, but that can be done with any sighting system.

Ya I am not even sure what novelty/silly/good idea fairy sights would be ... but hopefully between Ameriglo, 10-8 and Dawson Precision I will not find any of those you speak of :)

Yes, I am still working through my issues as a shooter. I still only have about 3000 rounds down range with a pistol. I come from 15 or so years of shotguns shooting clays/hunting and rifles hunting so gun world is not new to me, but pistols kinda are. So I am slowly figuring it all out by myself and with the help of the forum gurus.

[MStarmer]

I've said it in a lot of other posts, it's hard to beat the Ameriglo Hack's for value.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/mstarmer/20160131-DSC_2072-2.jpg (http://s245.photobucket.com/user/mstarmer/media/20160131-DSC_2072-2.jpg.html)

[bushwacked]

I've said it in a lot of other posts, it's hard to beat the Ameriglo Hack's for value.


That is a great sight picture though! I think I may pick those up and keep struggling on and just practice practice and more practice with that set.

[MStarmer]

For Glock's there's no better value out there. I paid $60.75 shipped to my door for my last set in December from Optics Planet. I have good luck with them all the way out to 25yds, even on my G26/G27.

[NongShim]

I generally like the black serrated adjustable Dawson rear and the .285x.100 fiber optic front. I like the height over the slide, which is a big reason I like the adjustable Dawson sights.

Adjustables are not necessary though, and those Vogels might be on my list now. Heinie's have always been high on my list of great sights as well. My 35 currently has Heinies, though I may go to something FO, like those Vogels.

If you go with the Dawson adjustable rear, do NOT use a sight pusher. Install per their tools and instructions. The Dawson fronts also come with a tool.

Assuming you're a right handed shooter, you might be slightly over gripping with your left hand which could be rotating your gun to the left. Another likely culprit might be too little trigger finger. Decent shooting overall. Just work on what Jack mentioned and try added more trigger finger. I bet you center up quickly.

[bushwacked]

I generally like the black serrated adjustable Dawson rear and the .285x.100 fiber optic front. I like the height over the slide, which is a big reason I like the adjustable Dawson sights.

Adjustables are not necessary though, and those Vogels might be on my list now. Heinie's have always been high on my list of great sights as well. My 35 currently has Heinies, though I may go to something FO, like those Vogels.

If you go with the Dawson adjustable rear, do NOT use a sight pusher. Install per their tools and instructions. The Dawson fronts also come with a tool.

Assuming you're a right handed shooter, you might be slightly over gripping with your left hand which could be rotating your gun to the left. Another likely culprit might be too little trigger finger. Decent shooting overall. Just work on what Jack mentioned and try added more trigger finger. I bet you center up quickly.


Do you not think the 100 is too skinny?

I am a right handed shooter ... I will take a look at my left hand next time on range and see whats going on with that and also work on my trigger finger as well.

[MStarmer]

I have a .100 fiber paired with a 10-8 rear. The .100 gives you a pretty pinpoint POA for small plates / targets. I like it on game guns but not particularly on my defensive guns. Big orange sights like the Ameriglo or Trijicon HD's work best for me defensively and I can still get decent hits at distance.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/mstarmer/10_8_sight_picture.jpg (http://s245.photobucket.com/user/mstarmer/media/10_8_sight_picture.jpg.html)

[NongShim]

Do you not think the 100 is too skinny?

I am a right handed shooter ... I will take a look at my left hand next time on range and see whats going on with that and also work on my trigger finger as well.

I don't. For me the .090 is too skinny and the .125 is a little fat. I find the .100 is big enough to not look too small in the rear notch which aides me on tougher shots, yet it is narrow enough for speed. Just my preference. I played with all three widths to make that choice.

[HCM]

If you go with the Dawson adjustable rear, do NOT use a sight pusher. Install per their tools and instructions. The Dawson fronts also come with a tool.



Very much this ^^^^. The Dawson adjustable rear is fairly durable in use. Most issues with them breaking or coming apart can be traced to improper installation.

[bushwacked]

ok thanks for that .. I will be sure to read their directions on how to install. Do they come with their tools, or do I need to buy them?


I decided for now to start with the DP set ... even got a free shirt out of it.

Dawson Precision Glock Adjustable Black Rear Sights
(Choose Sight Height & Notch Width Below: .125" Notch Width Serrated (Requires .285" to .300" Tall Front Sight))

Dawson Precision Glock Standard Fiber Optic Front Sights
(Choose Sight Height & Width Below: .285" Tall x .100" Wide Ramped Serrated)

Dawson Precision OD Green Logo T-Shirt

I will test these sights our for a 1000 rounds or so and see how it goes ... then I may also pick up some ameriglo hackthorns as well later on and try those.

[MStarmer]

Dawson's always come with tools (aluminum punches/socket head).

[bushwacked]

Dawson's always come with tools (aluminum punches/socket head).

perfect glad to hear I wont need to buy more tools after I bought a sight pusher last week.