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Obama makes a statement saying that there has been no innovation in cable/telecom services since 1982. Uses outdated telecom business models to compare to present day economy. Obama seeks "more players" on the field across the whole spectrum. Transportation, finance, banking, telecommunications and all other industries will be included in his executive order. Obama says his executive order would limit mergers across industries and limit companies from getting "too big". Obama says "big companies" promote instability in the US economy. Executive order will limit corporate profits and promote "global trade". Obama says "US economy is more stabile, healthier and consistent than any advanced nation" but "consumers at financial risk from large companies". Obama says global weakness due to the US anti-trade and corporate policy.
In the last 8 months of his presidency, he is going after the US private sector. Limiting the capacity for US businesses.
Do you think this is a executive order that will help consumers or an executive order to promote huge government involvement (socialism)?
ColtSeavers
04-17-16, 23:53
You know, I really want to delve into this, but really, with the elections coming up, I think he's just looking for one last fight to 'win' praying to go out on a high note. Meanwhile, we are busy ignoring him, worryng about the elections and buying ammo and mags if not more.
So keeping us weak for own good, huh?
I would call Bongo a retard but that would be a slap in the face of people with disabilities.
I, for one, believe in a separation of church, state, and finance
So what did he do these last 7 years to the private sector?
I don't believe big businesses are good for our country. But I think Obama is worse.
The way you worded it seems like Obama wants to prevent small and medium sized businesses from becoming bigger though limitations. What about businesses that are already big? Seems like most legislation has made it harder for all businesses but big ones were able to get by still while small ones living paycheck to paycheck closed.
I dunno. Some of this smacks of the mom and pop store getting pissy when Wal Mart opens up.
People are going to pay the lowest price they can.
Joe Schwesterfrick out in Hooterville may well lose his seed and feed store because nobody wants to pay more for the same stuff.
Corporatism, in its ideal, will just buy people out or cut them in.
People think profit is this bad word. A real economy with people who know what they are doing means more local jobs..
This is just Bongo and his global cronyism.
I mean....screw the world. We should have as much business and domestic manufacture as possible.
Like these bullshit soccermoms who buy these bullshit VWs and Volvos and pay bullshit Euro pricing on cars made here in some of the most redneck states of America.. The dumb smug latte drinking bastards.
I'm not a businessman but I know government is the direct antithesis to profit, joy, happiness, wealth, and quality of life.
I think Obama is comparing mom & pop businesses with fortune 500 companies with his so called "logical and analytical" thinking. Obama would like us to assume his conclusion comes from inference and deductive reasoning but I feel that it comes from his "closet" hatred for capitalism. Every fortune 500 company today started out as a small mom & pop company. Its through capitalism that a company can grow, succeed and thrive. And it appears that he would like to keep that from happening.
Yeah more emotions and feelings to pander to retards who got the world figured out from polisci 101 or women who watch OWN.
Screw it. His sorry irrelevant ass will be out in January and we'll either have an 80s 2.0 or we'll surrender to Putin after a bloody Balkanization of the US.
Either way keep stocking up on guns liquor and ammo
Perhaps if the entire "private sector" wasn't mandated to buy Obamacare, there might be some money for other things.
The arrogance and nerve of this guy.
And remember real Presidents? Guys like Kennedy who would simply challenge us to rise to the occasion. Can you imagine something as pathetic as the John Kennedy Executive Order to demand more success in the space race?
Also maybe somebody should tell him the reason cable / telecom is dead / dying is because of things like wifi and streaming.
And even if his ideas weren't all completely retarded, what is his solution to the stagnation? Well gee, it's more rules, regulations and limits to prevent private sector companies form getting too big. Wouldn't want that to happen, they might become successful enough to actually accomplish something.
I swear Obama has done more actual harm to this country the Bill Ayers could do with all of his bombs and guns.
Moose-Knuckle
04-18-16, 03:13
So first Obama bamboozled SCOTUS to force every American to buy health insurance, maybe now he will force us all to pay for cable TV too.
maybe now he will force us all to pay for cable TV too.
If no one shows up to the table to compete against AT&T, Verizon or Time Warner, then I think the government will create an alternative. Give it to underprivileged households and force us to pay a tax on our cable service to pay for it all.
Averageman
04-18-16, 06:07
In the meantime Marine Corps Aviation is scrounging F18 parts from museums.
Priorities Man, it's all about priorities.
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Like these bullshit soccermoms who buy these bullshit VWs and Volvos and pay bullshit Euro pricing on cars made here in some of the most redneck states of America.. The dumb smug latte drinking bastards.
What, Volvo's aren't built here yet.
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FromMyColdDeadHand
04-18-16, 09:38
How about reducing all of the regulations that make starting a new business, especially in manufacturing business, today a very risky and hard and expensive endeavor.
Once again progressives not understanding the problem so their solution will never actually make a difference well at least a positive difference .
Thought for the day:
"I'm not a businessman but I know government is the direct antithesis to profit, joy, happiness, wealth, and quality of life."
May not always be the case, but it's the safest assumption until proven otherwise.
Digital_Damage
04-18-16, 10:04
Well he does have a point, especially in the internet provider sector.
They are all getting gobbled up or consolidated here, in many places only one provider exist.
This sounds like, "new executive order: president decides sky should be aquamarine at noon instead of azure." Meaningless grandstanding to distract from his attempt to block bipartisan support to hold Saudi Arabia accountable for 9/11.
Thought for the day:
"I'm not a businessman but I know government is the direct antithesis to profit, joy, happiness, wealth, and quality of life."
May not always be the case, but it's the safest assumption until proven otherwise.
Send that to Forbes for me.
What, Volvo's aren't built here yet.
They are gonna be. South Carolina IIRC. I still stand by my "smug latte drinking bastards" epithet. Cardigan wearing, coffee shop liberals who read the New York Times....openly. These sons of whores want to get attitude because of their fibreglass shitheap having wi-fi. All I know is my American truck full of 80s hair metal is paid for and hauls my fat ass just fine so that I can allocate my money where it counts.
Ammo, skittles, and whatnot.
Lee Iacocca didn't have it all wrong
Outlander Systems
04-18-16, 11:35
FIFY!
Ammo, skittles, Mr. Pibb and whatnot.
Dist. Expert 26
04-18-16, 13:06
Is this something that he can unilaterally do and have it hold up in court? It seems to me that this is just another executive overreach that won't hold up under scrutiny.
Either way, executive orders are easily defunded or rolled back. I'm not gonna stress about it.
MountainRaven
04-18-16, 13:25
Well he does have a point, especially in the internet provider sector.
They are all getting gobbled up or consolidated here, in many places only one provider exist.
I don't think I know anybody who hasn't complained about having to live with a company that has a monopoly on internet service in their area, whether its Verizon or Comcast or whoever.
Hell, here a city spent a bunch of money laying some new fiber optic as part of a plan to bring affordable high speed internet to town. And the ISPs that use the stuff the city laid charge more for it.
HardToHandle
04-18-16, 20:20
I dunno. Some of this smacks of the mom and pop store getting pissy when Wal Mart opens up.
I'm not a businessman but I know government is the direct antithesis to profit, joy, happiness, wealth, and quality of life.
For the record, academics found WalMart is not all that bad for long term economics in small towns.
http://archive.news.iastate.edu/news/2012/may/WalMart
For the record, academics found WalMart is not all that bad for long term economics in small towns.
http://archive.news.iastate.edu/news/2012/may/WalMart
I'm sorry, did you read the article?
"But one has to keep in mind that most of that gain was by Wal-Mart stores, and they did have negative impacts on a lot of other businesses in town -- mainly any store that was selling essentially the same thing they were selling.'
The smallest towns in the state experienced substantial retail losses during the period, according to the study. For example, Stone reports retail sales in towns below 2,500 population declined 30 percent during the post Wal-Mart era, or about $1.5 billion in current dollars.
Wal-Mart offers economies of scale, in everything from merchandise to employment. They have killed many a medium sized midwestern town's town business district, costing more people jobs than they (Wal-Mart) create.
In the smaller towns, most folks people drive the 20 miles to the Wal-Mart in the region's medium sized town, killing off the businesses that tend to hold those towns togehter.
It is the way it is, not going to change, but I think that study needs to be peer reviewed.
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-18-16, 21:05
Wal-mart doesn't kill jobs, the people that shop there do. It almost like no one actually shops in Wal-mart and gets the cheaper prices. It's always someone else. If people didn't shop there and they went to the local stores, the local stores would do fine
Wal-mart doesn't kill jobs, the people that shop there do. It almost like no one actually shops in Wal-mart and gets the cheaper prices. It's always someone else. If people didn't shop there and they went to the local stores, the local stores would do fine
You see, here's the deal, you are right, in one aspect, people giving their business to WalMart is what kills the local stores. Those of us who try to buy a little better quality item, often don't have much choice after the downtown closes. I don't give much business to WalMart. I have to drive to buy clothes for the kids that don't look like hammered shit after a couple washings.
In a metropolitan area you may not get the same effect, but trust me in smaller town America that is what goes on.
Same thing Home Depot, Lowes and Menards have done to the local lumber yards and hardware store, you know, where you could actually talk to someone who knew more than you did about the product they are selling.
You see, here's the deal, you are right, in one aspect, people giving their business to WalMart is what kills the local stores. Those of us who try to buy a little better quality item, often don't have much choice after the downtown closes. I don't give much business to WalMart. I have to drive to buy clothes for the kids that don't look like hammered shit after a couple washings.
In a metropolitan area you may not get the same effect, but trust me in smaller town America that is what goes on.
Same thing Home Depot, Lowes and Menards have done to the local lumber yards and hardware store, you know, where you could actually talk to someone who knew more than you did about the product they are selling.
Also factor in that a Mon and Pop can't compete with Wal Mart because suppliers will never give them the same "buy price" they give to Wal Mart. When Wal Mart sells a gun, they usually sell it for the same price I can get it from my wholesalers for. So once you add shipping costs, even if I sold it for "my cost" I still would be slightly higher than the Wal Mart price.
Wal Mart is so big they essentially function as a wholesaler for most items, but it's wholesale to the public. As a result any business selling the same items couldn't begin to compete because they don't have the same buying power and price breaks.
If your going to compare Walmart to local mom & pop stores here is a few things to consider:
Walmart is open 24 hours a day, every day, including holidays.
Walmart restocks shelves at midnight EVERY night
Walmart sells groceries, prescription drugs, house hold items, bed & bath, paint, fishing/hunting, exercise equipment, stationary, lawn care, outdoor furniture and TV's (thought not the top rated brands but do carry a few selections at affordable prices)
Most Walmart locations if not all locations have on site gas station, oil change, battery & tire install shop.
Walmart for argument sake is what average consumers expect from a general business.
Walmart does what most small companies don't: Diversify. Walmart built a store around what most consumers spend there money on and carried those products under one roof. There are easily tens of thousands of small mom & pop stores around the country that specialize in any one thing that Walmart offers and carries more options as far as brands and price options. Walmart is not a one-stop shop for every consumer. A lot of consumers don't buy clothing, shoes, lawn equipment or electronics from Walmart but tend to buy groceries and house hold equipment only. Consumers today still prefer top brands on most lawn care, appliances and electronics which is why Best Buy, Sears, Home Depot and Lowes are still in business.
Walmart consumer approach is if you are there to buy a gallon of milk, lunch meat, bread, cereal and a 12 pack of Coke and you happen to need toilet paper, iPhone charger, envelopes, light bulbs and a small fan for the garage, you most likely to buy it there than leave just to drive to another store to buy the same brand. Its a good concept.
To put it in perspective: If you owned a premier gun store that sold middle to high end guns from recognized companies, most likely you would also sell ammo and accessories like optics and aftermarket equipment. But what if you also sold Stihl equipment, offerd a small hardware section, Snapon hand tools, air compressors, generators, pressure Washers, Dewalt cordless tools, Miller welding equipment and a few Shimano, Falcon, All-Star fishing rods and reels and a decent lure selection. You would have the greatest man store but wouldn't really compete with Home Depot, Bass Pro, Sears because of the uniqueness and diversification. You built your store around what you assumed most men go to each of those other store for and put it under one roof.
To put it in perspective: If you owned a premier gun store that sold middle to high end guns from recognized companies, most likely you would also sell ammo and accessories like optics and aftermarket equipment. But what if you also sold Stihl equipment, offerd a small hardware section, Snapon hand tools, air compressors, generators, pressure Washers, Dewalt cordless tools, Miller welding equipment and a few Shimano, Falcon, All-Star fishing rods and reels and a decent lure selection. You would have the greatest man store but wouldn't really compete with Home Depot, Bass Pro, Sears because of the uniqueness and diversification. You built your store around what you assumed most men go to each of those other store for and put it under one roof.
For a time there was a guy who ran a guns-n-porn store down here. Firearms on one side, adult material on the other. It was always my dream to run a Gentleman's Club and FFL operation, but I doubt it would work as well as in my imagination.
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-19-16, 14:01
For a time there was a guy who ran a guns-n-porn store down here. Firearms on one side, adult material on the other. It was always my dream to run a Gentleman's Club and FFL operation, but I doubt it would work as well as in my imagination.
Was that an accidental or negligent discharge?
I'm assuming no 'open carry'?
You'd have to put the gun barrel lengths in mm to keep guys from lying..
For a time there was a guy who ran a guns-n-porn store down here. Firearms on one side, adult material on the other. It was always my dream to run a Gentleman's Club and FFL operation, but I doubt it would work as well as in my imagination.
The stores I dream of shopping in would likely attract the wrong crowd.
Meh, Bongo is the sort that would go to Virginia Beach and write up an executive order for the tide not to rise and expect it to be carried out.
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-19-16, 14:23
In Denver (really Glendale, but that is another story) there is a peeler place called 'Shotgun Willie's'. My son was about 5-6 before he saw the blunder buss shotgun and asked if that was a gun store. My wife went with 'sure, so you can't go in there". A couple of years later and he started reading, he started asking questions about 'gentleman's club' and it came to a head one day as he was driving around with my wife. She had to drop the bomb on him what really went on in there. He was grossed out. Now my MIL thinks that they still dance with big ostrich feathers to raunchy jazz music, and I'm not sure what my wife knows since she has never been to one, at least with me- but the next time my son and I drove by he wanted to fill me in on the goings on.
There has to be an ATF store somewhere...
Moose-Knuckle
04-20-16, 01:24
In Denver (really Glendale, but that is another story) there is a peeler place called 'Shotgun Willie's'.
Sound's like place Willie Nelson should've owned outside of Austin.
If I ever own a gentlemen's club I want to call it "Pistol Pete's Pie Pantry".
about owning and operating a gentleman's club: Do you really want to work with emotional distant, cut-off women with daddy issues that create drama to keep there life in balance? Women with fake names who spend 80% of there day mostly naked or completely naked grinding on men in the dark listening to hip hop? I knew a few strippers/dancers who I went to high school with, they were cheerleaders who had daddy and mommy issues. They are so distant and emotionally closed off that talking to them is like talking to a wall. They guy who owned Silver City, Dallas Gentleman's Club, The Royal and The Lodge was a 6-7 time divorcee 50 year old that made over $4 million a year. He only dates "his girls", mostly 23-28 year old heavily tattooed women with names like "Venus" and "Jasmine". Just a point: A lot of black people, both men and women think its classy to dress up like there going to prom and go to a strip club and order Hennessy and smoke armadillo cigars. That is who is at the clubs now, so the dancers are mostly overweight "thick" black girls. There is also a lot of Latinos who go to "non advertised" alley BYOB clubs where there is a lot controversy as to the strippers being younger than 18, some as young as 15.
Years ago, you could walk into and there was nothing less than a "10". 30-45 smoking hot blondes and brunettes with DD's ages 28-33 with corporate day jobs. They would stop by your table and flirt with you and have a conversation with you and introduce themselves and they had names like Samantha, Jenna and Roxy. No tattoos, hair and makeup done flawlessly and smelt wonderful. They had fun personalities and weren't insulted because you didn't want a $50 dance, they knew you were there to just be there and have drinks. The non dancers were walking around in $800 Agent Provocateur corsets and teddies wearing $300 heels wearing a silver Rolex and diamond earrings. Its not like that anymore.
At risk of derailing this thread, elephant is correct. I haven't voluntarily been to a strip club in a very, very long time. Only when I had to go.
What class there was is gone and there wasn't much to begin with years back.
You would pay them to put clothes on and not touch you.
Meh.....too much government in business just leads to black markets and under the table dealings
Averageman
04-20-16, 12:30
about owning and operating a gentleman's club: Do you really want to work with emotional distant, cut-off women with daddy issues that create drama to keep there life in balance? Women with fake names who spend 80% of there day mostly naked or completely naked grinding on men in the dark listening to hip hop? I knew a few strippers/dancers who I went to high school with, they were cheerleaders who had daddy and mommy issues. They are so distant and emotionally closed off that talking to them is like talking to a wall.
My Uncles owned nightclubs in Florida in the mid seventies to early eighties. They would buy a place redecorate, revitalize the business and sell it in a year for a profit and move on.
They had a rule of thumb, never, ever buy a titty bar, too much drama from the girls and too many interactions with L.E.
I never went in to the conversation any deeper than that, but they were very serious, so I can only guess.
Averageman
04-20-16, 12:31
Double Tap
My Uncles owned nightclubs in Florida in the mid seventies to early eighties. They would buy a place redecorate, revitalize the business and sell it in a year for a profit and move on.
They had a rule of thumb, never, ever buy a titty bar, too much drama from the girls and too many interactions with L.E.
I never went in to the conversation any deeper than that, but they were very serious, so I can only guess.
I have heard that there is lots of money in bar/club ownership but only short term, 2-4 years. When I think of a dance club I think of "A night at the Roxbury", and I don't think those clubs really exist anymore. IF they did, the ratio to guys and girls would look like a sausage fest. A liquor license is sometimes harder to get then a FFL or a used car dealer license.
Here in the next few years, depending who is in office, we are going to see some radical changes. I do see certain states raising the minimum rage to $15+ paid leave and certain benefits like healthcare. But not federaly mandated. I think we will see a different business model that allows people to work from there home and log on to a company network as a way of clocking in and keeping track of work progress. This way an employee is considered a "independent contrctor" and they will be responsible for there healthcare and taxes/SS. And they will be paid on performance vs a standard hourly rate. In the beginning, it will look great for the millennials, but business will pay a performance rate. Basically a business will say it takes this long to do this amount of work and if you can complete it in that amount of time, we will pay you for that job, any later than we deduct a %. That is how Carmax, AutoNation, DirectTV, UVERSE, Verizon FIOS and Time Warner Cable pay there independent contractors in Texas. Or we might see a transportation style business model being implemented: calculating the deck space, weight, miles, hours and give you a goal that is based on the best possible conditions and outcome (no traffic, gas stop, weigh station, rest and 5 minutes to load each shippment) and paying you for those results. If businesses started using these models, it would make people work 10 hours a day to get paid for 8 but there would be a lot of "hustle" and that is what America needs.
Hold up now, let's not say anything we can't take back about strip clubs. I guess ya just gotta find the right clubs.
What was this thread about anyway?
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-20-16, 21:13
Hold up now, let's not say anything we can't take back about strip clubs. I guess ya just gotta find the right clubs.
What was this thread about anyway?
Sorry, it's about the private sector not privates.
Back to topic: Obama likes to discuss his "executive orders" as an ends to justify the means. He only talks about the key points of his agenda but never get in depth with small print and details of his overall plan. Kind of like his 14000 page Obama care that had to be signed before anyone read it. He proposes common sense solutions to common problems facing America. Only problem is he doesn't have to live with his decisions. We do!! In the end, Obama has a closet hatred for success, happy employees, businesses that take care of there employees and great economic times. Hopefully this order will be killed in congress. I am all for competition and entrepreneurship but not with the government standing over our shoulder making sure we arnt being too competitive. No thanks!
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