AR Accessory Market

[manifold]

I am doing some research on the AR 15 rifle and the market for same. I have gone as far as I think is practical with Google and even emailed a few manufacturers but am still needing some more information. I have a very specific question. How many AR piston systems were sold last year, last month, ever? Any input would be appreciated.

[JC5188]

Can you be more specific? Are you talking about conversion kits, rifles manufactured as original piston design, or both? When you say piston, I'm assuming you are talking about the op rod variants, and not the legacy design?


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[titsonritz]

Too many to the ill-informed.

[manifold]

JC- I'm really most interested in conversion kits. However, OEM piston rifle figures would be welcome as well. I simply have no sense for how many are out there hundreds, thousands, millions?

[Averageman]

I would guess that the "Hundreds of Thousands" number is more likely to be fact.
I'm not sure how many will be likely to want to answer that question, let alone the real answer. I do however find the question intriguing.

[KITTEN_FRENZY]

At least 3

[AKDoug]

You are unlikely to ever get the number. Manufacturers are required to report the number of firearms sold to the ATF. The ATF publishes the numbers, but it's usually a couple years after the fact and they don't break it down by models. Most firearms producers are privately held, so they aren't exactly releasing detailed numbers to the general public.

[308sako]

On another site the number you will be told is 87

[_Stormin_]

The ATF reported numbers also wouldn't include piston uppers sold independent of a lower, which aren't a firearm.

This may be a search without end for you OP...

[JC5188]

^^^what Stormin said.

There are records, accessible somehow, of actual guns sold because they are required to be kept. I'm not sure there is any good way to determine the number of conversion kits, as that would have to come from sales figures of individual companies.

I hadn't even thought of individual uppers.


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[Dionysusigma]

I would first make a list of everyone who has ever made a piston variant of an AR or upper, ever. Next, for each maker, make a list of every variant they've produced. After that, find out who their licensed distributors are, whether they're middle-man warehouses, or retail outlets/sites. This step is the hardest: contact the person in charge of each of these retailers to find out how many they've ordered... and even then, about the best you'll ever get is a ballpark figure going back a month or two, becoming more difficult to quantify the further back in time you go.

From there, you'll have to intelligently fudge figures a bit: how many buy, versus how many of them bought it and then talk about it? Heck, how many talk about it that didn't buy it, but parrot anecdotes to either sound 1) informed or 2) to advance whatever agenda for/against the product? At this point, you're talking about the socioeconomics aspect of market research, which is grad-level investigation. You'll have to start extrapolating at some point, which is a slippery slope for incorrect assumptions (which by this point you may already be on).

Another approach, which is far more tedious, would be to find specific users of piston systems, learn what they use (and tried before in the past), their impressions of them, what other armament they have, and their ratio of discussion of the piston to the standard design. Again, you'll have to fudge numbers, but factor in how many comments/likes/views/etc they have, and then use those numbers as a factor to determine their overall market influence. Negative reviews are a major part as well. Positive reviews reinforce what a potential buyer wants to hear; negative reviews' influence potential purchasers from complete turn-off to "my (situation) is different, so what they posted doesn't apply."

The fudging from all this comes from everyone who buys a product, but never mentions it once. Further fudging comes from those who bought it secondhand.

And, in the end, the best you could hope for is merely a numerical range, not hard numbers. Best of luck - but answering a question like this, that depends on figuring out trade secrets that border on politics, is something that in the end can only be, by definition, conjecture.

[Tzook]

Op, I'm not sure that this is ever a question you'll be able to anser. I think the answer is a shit ton. I think that its probably more than a few thousand shit ton, maybe less than a few million shit ton. Who knows.

[manifold]

I assumed that this would be the case but thought I would ask anyway. Have a product which I would like to bring to market but difficult to judge potential without knowing the size of the market.

[djegators]

I would suggest contacting someone at say, Adams Arms...they are a pretty big player in the piston market. They probably won't give you raw numbers, but you might be able to get a rough annual production number, and what they think their market share is.

[JohnnyRambo]

Wow that's kinda impossible to calculate since there is no way to know for sure. You would need to find every company that makes piston guns and contact them individually. But good luck!

[Hydguy]

I assumed that this would be the case but thought I would ask anyway. Have a product which I would like to bring to market but difficult to judge potential without knowing the size of the market.

MY advice would to be just do it.
When the brace thing came out, many people (myself included) just didn't see a need for it (IIRC, he was disabled and needed something to help with keeping an AR pistol somewhat level when shooting). Same with the slide fire stock. But they now have a pretty good slice of the accessory pie, and Sig bought the guy's design. Cant get much better than that for an idea.