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I feel that it is very possible that the USA will be facing another federal Hi-cap magazines ban in not so distant future... Maybe I am wrong but we might be facing it just after the coming elections. Do you believe if that happens that the 1911 will become even more popular and used as a CCW even more than it is today? In such event would you rather carry a 10 round 92FS, P226 or CZ75 or even a G17/19 (I hope Glock will design a reliable 10 round magazine) over a 1911 in 9mm or .45? There are some nice 9mm 1911s today like Dan Wesson Specialist or this one for example: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/05/jon-wayne-taylor/gun-review-sti-hex-tactical-ss-9mm-1911/ Which one would you choose as your go to gun?
I prize convenience, concealability, and flexibility...can't even imagine carrying a 1911. I carry a Walther PPS and prefer the 7 round magazine. After all these years, I have yet to discern a reason to rethink that choice. I don't consider magazine capacity to be a significant factor in civilian concealed-carry.
BuzzinSATX
05-09-16, 12:19
If magazine capacity were the main factor,we'd all be carrying guns with 17+ round capacity. But size, conceal ability, shoot ability, personal preference still rule IMO.
I think folks who carry 1911's carry them because they prefer them. That's fine by me. I don't think folks who carry G19|P229|PPQ|XDs will necessarily change because of a mag cap limit law (at least I won't).
That said, if we go to another high capacity ban or 10 rounds, the advantage of a G19 over a G30 decreases significantly, at least in my mind.
Take Care,
Buzz
Irfan,
Why would you want a 9mm that is the size of a 45 ACP when you can chose from any of the following?:
Walther PPS M1/M2
Walther CCP
S&W Shield
Glock 43
Ruger LC9s
Springfield XDs 9
Khar CW9
Plus a few other less than optimal choices in the single stack 9mm market.
You don't need the permission of this forum to buy a 1911 chambered in 9mm, but buying one for CC work when there are already better choices on the market for the job just seems odd to me. Especially when you are making the decision based on fears that may never become law. Your post makes it sound like We The People will be barred from owning and carrying standard capacity mags which would be hard for the federal government to do. At most they could stop the sale of new standard capacity mags but they'll have a hard time rounding up all the ones already in circulation.
Irfan,
Why would you want a 9mm that is the size of a 45 ACP when you can chose from any of the following?:
Walther PPS M1/M2
Walther CCP
S&W Shield
Glock 43
Ruger LC9s
Springfield XDs 9
Khar CW9
Plus a few other less than optimal choices in the single stack 9mm market.
You don't need the permission of this forum to buy a 1911 chambered in 9mm, but buying one for CC work when there are already better choices on the market for the job just seems odd to me. Especially when you are making the decision based on fears that may never become law. Your post makes it sound like We The People will be barred from owning and carrying standard capacity mags which would be hard for the federal government to do. At most they could stop the sale of new standard capacity mags but they'll have a hard time rounding up all the ones already in circulation.
I like full size pistols. Regarding the ban, I may be paranoid but I expect they'll ban all guns eventually...
Hk P2000 (9/40), HK45c, HK
USP45, HK 45, HK P30sk all come in 10 round mag options.
G30, G26,
CZ Rami
All the ones Big A listed
There are many options available and I'm probably forgetting a lot
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MountainRaven
05-09-16, 13:17
The late Todd Green's last carry gun was an Heirloom Precision 1911 in 9mm. He made the trade-off of capacity for practical accuracy happily without any pressure from the government for a reduced magazine capacity.
If I were stuck with a 10-round capacity limit, I would buy a Wilson Lightweight Commander-type gun in 9mm. (Full-size aluminum frame, 4.25" barrel, GI guide rod with flat spring.)
Otherwise, full-size, steel-frame 45 1911 (which I already carry), an M&P45 (whichever size makes you happy), or an H&K HK45C or USP45C. I suppose you could carry a full-size HK45, but that one seems a bit big even to me. Or an H&K P7PSP/P7M8, if I could find one or H&K brings them back or licenses their manufacture to somebody stateside.
That being said, I have a buddy who bought a bunch of 10-round magazines for his G19 when he moved to California and left his 15-rounders with his parents, here in Montana. I would rather pick an H&K for reduced capacity magazines, as I have more faith in their reduced cap magazines working well than the Glock magazines.
Glock 19 with a 10 round mag. Glock 19 with a pre-ban hi-cap magazine out of my crate of hi cap mags.
There are number of compacts chambered in .45 that hold ten rounds. These may be worth looking at, but for me I prefer the controllability of 9mm. Recently sold my HK 45c, just din't do it for me.
Question, if you think there will be a ban, and I'm with you on this, why not purchase mags now as opposed to finding a new gun? The 600$ average for a new gun buys you 24 17rnd mags for your Glock 17. If you use each mag 100 times (seems a fair service life), and you have 24 mags, thats 40,800 rounds of shooting.
The 1911 will never be popular do to its size weight and finickiness.
MountainRaven
05-09-16, 13:20
Glock 19 with a 10 round mag. Glock 19 with a pre-ban hi-cap magazine out of my crate of hi cap mags.
There are number of compacts chambered in .45 that hold ten rounds. These may be worth looking at, but for me I prefer the controllability of 9mm. Recently sold my HK 45c, just din't do it for me.
Question, if you think there will be a ban, and I'm with you on this, why not purchase mags now as opposed to finding a new gun? The 600$ average for a new gun buys you 24 17rnd mags for your Glock 17. If you use each mag 100 times (seems a fair service life), and you have 24 mags, thats 40,800 rounds of shooting.
The 1911 will never be popular do to its size weight and finickiness.
I'd bet that the 1911 is still the best selling pistol in America, in spite of weight and "finickiness". ;)
And the 1911 conceals far better than its size might appear to indicate.
I'd bet that the 1911 is still the best selling pistol in America, in spite of weight and "finickiness". ;)
And the 1911 conceals far better than its size might appear to indicate.
Didn't even make one list, maybe too many people don't like the 'two is one, one is none' holy grail of the Govt Model aficionado:
The 5 Best-Selling Guns of 2015
There are probably as many favorite guns among firearms enthusiasts as there are models manufactured. One way to determine what the "best" gun is is to see what people are buying. But that's not a straightforward endeavor.
For example, Smith & Wesson reported that fiscal-second-quarter sales were driven 15% higher by demand for its polymer shield and M&P models, while Ruger pointed to demand for its new AR-556 modern sporting rifle and LC9 pistol as reason sell-through from independent distributors to retailers jumped 28% in its last period. But with the bulk of the balance of the industry privately held, it's hard to get a read on who's buying what.
So I turned to GunBroker.com, the world's largest online auction site for firearms and accessories, which every month publishes the five best-selling firearms on its site. While it lists the leaders in every major category of firearms sold, breaking them down between new, used, and a combination of the two, for this list I limited the selection to the five best-selling new, semi-automatic pistols. However, GunBroker.com doesn't list specific numbers for the guns sold. No raw unit totals or total dollar values. So what I did was compile all the monthly lists and broke it down into which gun landed in the top spot the most number of times. Then I looked at which was No. 2 most often; which was third, and so on.
I then arbitrarily assigned a value to each slot. A first-place finish got 5 points; second place, 4 points; third, 3, and so on. I then tallied the results and picked out the top five guns for 2015 (January to November). Nineteen different gun models from eight separate manufacturers appeared on the list. Here are the top five best-selling new semiautomatic pistols on my list, in reverse order.
Fourth Place (tie): Smith & Wesson M&P9 and Sig Sauer P938. Neither gun landed in the top spot over the course of the year, but the models were gun buyers' second and third choices most often. The M&P9 is Smith & Wesson's direct challenge to Glock in the low-cost polymer frame segment and its lightweight design has helped the gunmaker enjoy tremendous growth as handgun sales have taken off.
In contrast, Sig Sauer's P938 is a hammer-fired, single-action semi-auto, with aluminum alloy frame and steel slide. It's super-lightweight and designed for concealed carry.
Third Place: Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield. This is S&W's answer to the concealed-carry gun niche that is exploding. So popular are its Shield models that during the second quarter the gunmaker produced its one millionth model, which it says makes it "the best-selling personal protection and self-defense pistol" on the market.
Second Place: Taurus PT-111 Millenium G2. Yet another gun designed for the concealed carry market, the Taurus PT-111 is available in 9mm and built on a lightweight polymer platform in a subcompact form factor. Its appearance on the list would surprise many gun enthusiasts, but the fact it was the favorite gun four months in a row probably raised even more eyebrows, though it also attested to the gun's meeting a specific need in the market.
First Place: Kel Tec PMR-30. This might not have been the gun many would have expected to top the list, but the Kel Tec PMR-30 dominated sales at GunBroker.com this year, coming in first place more times than any other model (five), and regularly being a gun buyer's second or third choice. The Kel Tec was also on the top-five list more often than any other model (eight), and unlike Smith & Wesson, Ruger, or Sig Sauer, which each had three different models appear at any time over the course of the year, it was only the Kel Tec PMR-30 that gun buyers wanted.
What pushes gun enthusiasts to want the Kel Tec is its light weight. Even fully loaded with 30 double-stacked .22 Magnum rounds (.22 WMR), its glass-reinforced nylon Zytel frame is lighter than many polymer-frame guns, yet there's a distinct lack of recoil when fired. It's also pretty accurate.
Gun sales have never been greater. The FBI is on track to conduct more background checks on gun buyers this year than at any other time, even more than the record number of investigations performed in 2013. While GunBroker.com will release its best-selling firearm for 2015 next month, there's a good bet it will be one of those here. And considering how often the Kel Tec PMR-30 has topped the lists so far, I'd be surprised if it wasn't the overall choice of gun buyers everywhere.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/12/27/the-5-best-selling-guns-of-2015.aspx
Here is Gunbroker's monthly breakdown:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Content/Top5/2016-03-GunBroker-Top-5-Guns.html
Sometimes you need to remember that most gun purchasers don't know much if anything about firearms, are more likely to be swayed more by price than quality, and probably aren't on a gun forum. We be the minority. :D
Potential for a mag ban is why you buy mags now :p
If I was magically limited to 10 rounds I'd probably switch to a P320 compact. Same size as my 9mm P320C but 9rds of 45.
Question, if you think there will be a ban, and I'm with you on this, why not purchase mags now as opposed to finding a new gun? The 600$ average for a new gun buys you 24 17rnd mags for your Glock 17. If you use each mag 100 times (seems a fair service life), and you have 24 mags, thats 40,800 rounds of shooting.
Exactly. And that assumes the mags can't be repaired....
Didn't even make one list, maybe too many people don't like the 'two is one, one is none' holy grail of the Govt Model aficionado:
The 5 Best-Selling Guns of 2015
There are probably as many favorite guns among firearms enthusiasts as there are models manufactured. One way to determine what the "best" gun is is to see what people are buying. But that's not a straightforward endeavor.
For example, Smith & Wesson reported that fiscal-second-quarter sales were driven 15% higher by demand for its polymer shield and M&P models, while Ruger pointed to demand for its new AR-556 modern sporting rifle and LC9 pistol as reason sell-through from independent distributors to retailers jumped 28% in its last period. But with the bulk of the balance of the industry privately held, it's hard to get a read on who's buying what.
So I turned to GunBroker.com, the world's largest online auction site for firearms and accessories, which every month publishes the five best-selling firearms on its site. While it lists the leaders in every major category of firearms sold, breaking them down between new, used, and a combination of the two, for this list I limited the selection to the five best-selling new, semi-automatic pistols. However, GunBroker.com doesn't list specific numbers for the guns sold. No raw unit totals or total dollar values. So what I did was compile all the monthly lists and broke it down into which gun landed in the top spot the most number of times. Then I looked at which was No. 2 most often; which was third, and so on.
I then arbitrarily assigned a value to each slot. A first-place finish got 5 points; second place, 4 points; third, 3, and so on. I then tallied the results and picked out the top five guns for 2015 (January to November). Nineteen different gun models from eight separate manufacturers appeared on the list. Here are the top five best-selling new semiautomatic pistols on my list, in reverse order.
Fourth Place (tie): Smith & Wesson M&P9 and Sig Sauer P938. Neither gun landed in the top spot over the course of the year, but the models were gun buyers' second and third choices most often. The M&P9 is Smith & Wesson's direct challenge to Glock in the low-cost polymer frame segment and its lightweight design has helped the gunmaker enjoy tremendous growth as handgun sales have taken off.
In contrast, Sig Sauer's P938 is a hammer-fired, single-action semi-auto, with aluminum alloy frame and steel slide. It's super-lightweight and designed for concealed carry.
Third Place: Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield. This is S&W's answer to the concealed-carry gun niche that is exploding. So popular are its Shield models that during the second quarter the gunmaker produced its one millionth model, which it says makes it "the best-selling personal protection and self-defense pistol" on the market.
Second Place: Taurus PT-111 Millenium G2. Yet another gun designed for the concealed carry market, the Taurus PT-111 is available in 9mm and built on a lightweight polymer platform in a subcompact form factor. Its appearance on the list would surprise many gun enthusiasts, but the fact it was the favorite gun four months in a row probably raised even more eyebrows, though it also attested to the gun's meeting a specific need in the market.
First Place: Kel Tec PMR-30. This might not have been the gun many would have expected to top the list, but the Kel Tec PMR-30 dominated sales at GunBroker.com this year, coming in first place more times than any other model (five), and regularly being a gun buyer's second or third choice. The Kel Tec was also on the top-five list more often than any other model (eight), and unlike Smith & Wesson, Ruger, or Sig Sauer, which each had three different models appear at any time over the course of the year, it was only the Kel Tec PMR-30 that gun buyers wanted.
What pushes gun enthusiasts to want the Kel Tec is its light weight. Even fully loaded with 30 double-stacked .22 Magnum rounds (.22 WMR), its glass-reinforced nylon Zytel frame is lighter than many polymer-frame guns, yet there's a distinct lack of recoil when fired. It's also pretty accurate.
Gun sales have never been greater. The FBI is on track to conduct more background checks on gun buyers this year than at any other time, even more than the record number of investigations performed in 2013. While GunBroker.com will release its best-selling firearm for 2015 next month, there's a good bet it will be one of those here. And considering how often the Kel Tec PMR-30 has topped the lists so far, I'd be surprised if it wasn't the overall choice of gun buyers everywhere.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/12/27/the-5-best-selling-guns-of-2015.aspx
Here is Gunbroker's monthly breakdown:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Content/Top5/2016-03-GunBroker-Top-5-Guns.html
Sometimes you need to remember that most gun purchasers don't know much if anything about firearms, are more likely to be swayed more by price than quality, and probably aren't on a gun forum. We be the minority. :D
That's the Top 5 selling guns of 2015 on Gunbroker.com. Not the same as the top selling gun nation wide. Plus the 1911 has been on sale since...well 1911 which I think was FJ's point.
daddyusmaximus
05-09-16, 14:35
I feel that one of the things that really help you to be a better shot is how the gun fits in your hands.
This is why I like the 1911 so much. The shape, size, and angle of the 1911 grip all work great for me. I do have great attachment to the design because I learned to shoot with one in basic at the tender age of 17. I'm sure carrying one around for years has a lot to do with my love for them, but it's the feel of the gun that keeps me having one. They just feel right to me, and as a result I shoot better with one. I live in a state where I can have more mag capacity, but don't feel I really need it as a retired civie. I always have two extra mags anyway. If I were to go to a higher capacity gun, I'd step down to a 9mm so the grip wouldn't be too fat.
The_Watcher
05-09-16, 14:49
If only limited to 10 rounds I would choose guns that were designed around that capacity:
Glock 30, 29
Glock 26, 33
HK P30SK
HK P200SK
HK45C
HK45
MountainRaven
05-09-16, 14:51
Didn't even make one list, maybe too many people don't like the 'two is one, one is none' holy grail of the Govt Model aficionado:
(snip)
Sometimes you need to remember that most gun purchasers don't know much if anything about firearms, are more likely to be swayed more by price than quality, and probably aren't on a gun forum. We be the minority. :D
There's a problem with that list:
How many Colt 1911s were sold? Now add that to the Kimbers, the S&Ws, the SiGs, the Tauruses, the Wilsons, the Nighthawks, the Springfields, the Remingtons, &c., &c., &c.
The 1911 wouldn't make that list because there isn't a model of 1911 made by a company to make that list. Rather, it's hundreds of models put out by dozens of manufacturers.
That's the Top 5 selling guns of 2015 on Gunbroker.com. Not the same as the top selling gun nation wide. Plus the 1911 has been on sale since...well 1911 which I think was FJ's point.
Not entirely.
I seem to recall reading some years ago that - all manufacturers and models combined - the 1911 year-to-year is almost always the best selling pistol in the US. There's a reason why virtually every major gun manufacturer on the planet makes at least one 1911 - and it ain't because it's an old-fashioned, obsolescent antique (which it is).
Still gonna be the G26 for EDC, and the 21 for HD.
Those are the two I'm most proficient with, and I just can't bring myself to care about 9mm vs. .45.
ColtSeavers
05-09-16, 15:56
*IF* I wanted to have a semi auto in conjunction with a magazine capacity limit *AND* I could not use any pre ban 'hi-cap' mags, I would probably finally buy a Coonan .357 1911.
Some of us already endure under such conditions - the bottom line carry what you shoot best. I still have full size 1911's and Glock 19 in my carry rotation at 10+1.
And do not think because you live in a free state ( I will be relocating to one soon ) you are immune if some dc silliness ensues.
In New York they did not grandfather anything
donlapalma
05-09-16, 16:29
If only limited to 10 rounds I would choose guns that were designed around that capacity:
Glock 30, 29
Glock 26, 33
HK P30SK
HK P200SK
HK45C
HK45
This is what I was going to say.
I really don't think a mag ban will happen for a very long time if at all in my state. As far as a federal mag, who knows. I'll carry what I currently do which is a G29sf.
Same pistol I have carried on and off for decades, the HK P7, and it's backup the P7 -PSP.
The smallest 10mm/45 I can find from a reliable manufacturer.
If my standard cap mags are suddenly illegal, I imagine they'll disappear along with the firearms that use them. I won't buy reduced capacity mags, I'd buy a gun designed around whatever arbitrary number they selected if I were in the market.
If the 1911 fit I'd go back to carrying mine full time, until/unless I found something I like better. I wouldn't buy a 9mm 1911 due to new laws.
Glock 29 or go back to a .357 Snubnose.
I don't want to do get into Stinkin' Thinkin' just yet but yeah....that's probably what I'd do
grizzlyblake
05-09-16, 19:07
I carry my G19 over my G26 because I shoot it better. If I'm limited to ammo capacity shooting better is even more important so I'm sticking with at least the G19. *Maybe* switch to a G23, or maybe Glock will invent a G19/23 sized 45.
FlyingHunter
05-09-16, 20:01
I would share a historical quote for the would be tyrants:
The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government — lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.
Patrick Henry
G19 cut to accept 26 mags, with the extended finger thing on the mag.
grizzlyblake
05-09-16, 20:40
Am I the only one that feels a huge control advantage of the full G19 grip over the G26 grip, even with mag extensions?
Am I the only one that feels a huge control advantage of the full G19 grip over the G26 grip, even with mag extensions?
I don't feel a "huge" advantage in control with the 19, but there's some... whether that's attributed to getting the pinky on the frame, I have no idea. I do prefer the 26 grip overall, though. Odd as it seems, I feel more cramped on a 19, and having the hump higher on the backstrap of the 26 keeps me from getting slide bite without the beavertails. I've got a lot of time behind the 26, and I have no actual issues with controlling the gun.
That's the Top 5 selling guns of 2015 on Gunbroker.com. Not the same as the top selling gun nation wide. Plus the 1911 has been on sale since...well 1911 which I think was FJ's point.
I got that, reading comp isn't generally a problem I have. Thought it was representative, along with my personal observation of numerous local gun stores. Find national stats to prove the point the 1911 is the primo selling handgun. All the LGs's I go to have waaaay more other pistols than 1911's. Just because you like them (and I don't dislike them) doesn't mean everyone is buying them.
And, reading his quote 'I'd bet that the 1911 is still the best selling pistol in America, in spite of weight and "finickiness' the word still pretty much indicates to me he is talking about present day.
No need to get in a debate, I probably shouldn't have replied to his statement, sorry.
I think 1911s are high selling because A: they are pretty comfortable and B) they are aesthetically pleasing.
Even people who don't care about guns at all think they are attractive.
Kind of OT, but just a thought.
Chrisreedrules
05-10-16, 05:33
1911s do sell well, however the average consumer doesn't want to spend $1,000+ on a pistol. $500 seems to be about the sweet spot for the "average" pistol shopper. That puts S&W, Glock, Ruger, and Walther in that range. If they want to spend a little more, they buy a Sig or an H&K.
HK 45C, followed by HK P2000SK/P30SK or G26
2 HK45 compacts. One at 12 o'clock and one 10.
Why 2 compacts? For carry friendliness? I've founder the full size to have better ergos and shooting characteristics but it's a big un.
I'd stick with what I carry now. Either my G19 or my M&P 45 Middy. I shoot both very well and they both conceal fine for me.
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-10-16, 07:23
1911 (preferably Wilson) or HK45c. In my view once you are limited to 10 rounds the reason for 9mm pretty much vanishes.
Why 2 compacts? For carry friendliness? I've founder the full size to have better ergos and shooting characteristics but it's a big un.
"Why two?" Because I haven't bought a third for my KANGAROO CARRY holster. When shooting one-handed and on the move, the compact performs better for me.
556BlackRifle
05-10-16, 11:02
I'd carry a .45 ACP or 10mm. (Glock or 1911 / commander.) If limited to 10 rounds, get something that hits hard!
Or maybe a shield width full sized 9mm, or however long 10rds would be. Being that 9mm still offers advantages, I'd go smallest gun with max capacity.
"Hits hard." Haha.
1911 (preferably Wilson) or HK45c. In my view once you are limited to 10 rounds the reason for 9mm pretty much vanishes.
9mm still recoil less, is cheaper, and fits in a smaller gun. I'm a 40 shooter (I know, I know) but I don't see how capacity is the ONLY advantage.
grizzlyblake
05-10-16, 12:50
I agree. I changed from the Glock 23 to Glock 19 a couple years back not for capacity reasons, but because I can make quicker, more accurate follow up shots with 9mm. The feel of the gun in my hands and the ability to be fast and accurate trumps more recoil and/or a smaller frame.
[QUOTE=MegademiC;2315992]Or maybe a shield width full sized 9mm, or.../
blah blah blah.
Do you see thee irony of your statement?
The maker of the SHIELD slept with one clinton and, among other things, ushered in 10 round magazine capacities. And now, here we are talking about magazine restrictions with the possibility of thee other disgraceful clinton being....!
Just say NO to any and ALL clinton&wesson products, even the caliber cartridge!!
If only limited to 10 rounds I would choose guns that were designed around that capacity:
Glock 30, 29
Glock 26, 33
HK P30SK
HK P200SK
HK45C
HK45
This right here. If you're going to carry a rounds-limited pistol and size is not a key constraint, then why not carry something that will help you get rounds on target. A mid sized pistol is easier to shoot than something that is more compact. Suddenly being rounds-limited won't make me go to the smallest 9mm that I can squeeze 10 (or 7) rounds into. Assuming that I can no longer carry higher cap pistols, I would simply go to the most shootable mid-size pistol that conforms to the legal realities. Out of what I currently own, that would be an HK45c on days when I can carry a medium size pistol, and a G26 on days when I need to conceal a little deeper.
To be honest, since I bought my G26 I have not been carrying my S&W Shield...and I don't see that changing regardless of round count.
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-10-16, 17:04
9mm still recoil less, is cheaper, and fits in a smaller gun
1. I am not concerned about .45 ACP recoil.
2. It is cheaper, but again, the price difference isn't an issue for me. But I totally can see how someone on a tight budget might make that call.
3. Smaller gun. That's true. But an HK45c is basically G19 sized. And I'll take 9 rounds of .45 ACP to 11 rounds of 9mm every time. Just me. Much smaller than that and I am dropping my J-frame in my pocket.
[QUOTE=MegademiC;2315992]Or maybe a shield width full sized 9mm, or.../
blah blah blah.
Do you see thee irony of your statement?
The maker of the SHIELD slept with one clinton and, among other things, ushered in 10 round magazine capacities. And now, here we are talking about magazine restrictions with the possibility of thee other disgraceful clinton being....!
Just say NO to any and ALL clinton&wesson products, even the caliber cartridge!!
News flash, prior owners of a company are held responsible for their actions. Current owners don't carry over prior owner sins and S&W has been both a stand up company and gun manufacturer since that change over of ownership. I'll keep my Shield, thanx..
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-10-16, 17:51
I mean damn, this guy won't take a Bayer aspirin because of the holocaust at this point.
I mean damn, this guy won't take a Bayer aspirin because of the holocaust at this point.
Or drive a volkswagen.
Or drive a volkswagen.
Or buy IBM or Ford or Hugo Boss
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Aside from what's already been mentioned there is also the P220 and 227. Both are 10 round or less. 225 and 239. Options are out there, all comes down to what caliber, how many rounds and the size of the gun you're comfortable with
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crusader377
05-11-16, 10:15
Provided that ammunition availability and popularity remained the same, I would probably either go with a good quality M1911 in .45ACP, Sig P220, or M&P 45.
However, I think if we were limited to a 10rd magazine, I think other rounds could become more popular and receive more development such as the .38 super or 9X23 Winchester. If that was the case I would probably go with a M1911 chambered in either of those rounds if availability and cost were comparable to the 9mm or .45ACP and if the rounds were developed to their full potential like the 9mm/.45ACP.
sevenhelmet
05-11-16, 11:12
If you're looking at a 9mm 1911 for carry, have you considered the Springfield EMP? It's specifically designed for 9mm, fits my large hands despite being a compact, and practically disappears for CCW. I'm well aware the model had some issues when it first came out (2009 IIRC), but my more recent example has been trustworthy. The only downside IMO is the single source for mags, but they're about $24 each which is cheaper than a lot of other pistols I could name.
Whatever you pick, just make sure it fits you well and is reliable. There's no "one gun" that works for everyone IMO. Also, shoot it often.
Evel Baldgui
05-11-16, 11:20
A simple glock 26 will be just fine. 10+1,accurate and reliable.
davebee456
05-11-16, 13:36
Glock 26 , Shield 9mm , hk45C with Lite LEM for carry.
Sig P220 or a 1911 dan wesson or springfield trp for Home Defense
those are some good choices...
unfortunately i shoot the glock 17 the best of all handguns I have owned so I might
have to use 10 rounders in that because of the way I shoot that thing.
teutonicpolymer
05-11-16, 19:22
For a full 10 rounds maybe a 4" emp but I don't know how they run. Maybe a G26 but I much prefer slightly longer grips.
For less than 10 a single stack 9
10 rounds....what makes you think Hillary's Supreme court is going to be that generous?
Hell,I'm in Texas and I carry an 8+1 Sig P239 9mm most every day because I like it.
I have enough mags for my Glocks, Sigs, and Beretta tonever have to worry about some 'ban' that I wouldn't worry about in the first place...
FlyingHunter
05-11-16, 19:43
And what about when you're told to limit it to 9, 8, 7, 6, 5 or whatever number of rounds?
1. I am not concerned about .45 ACP recoil.
2. It is cheaper, but again, the price difference isn't an issue for me. But I totally can see how someone on a tight budget might make that call.
3. Smaller gun. That's true. But an HK45c is basically G19 sized. And I'll take 9 rounds of .45 ACP to 11 rounds of 9mm every time. Just me. Much smaller than that and I am dropping my J-frame in my pocket.
Fair enough. I guess width and grip length are major factors for cc for me, hence my leaning that way.
Full sized guns shoot better for me too so I can't find fault with your choice. Options are good.
Fair enough. I guess width and grip length are major factors for cc for me, hence my leaning that way.
Full sized guns shoot better for me too so I can't find fault with your choice. Options are good.
Find what works for you, put the BG down and survive. Repeat as necessary
The sig 227 is factory flush 10 rd of 45 acp
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First thoughts would be G26, M&Pc, or G30. Maybe an HK45/HK45c V1 if you're comfortable with carrying it.
ColtSeavers
05-12-16, 15:26
I forgot about the Sprinfield 4" EMP. Hmm... Coonan .357 1911 or SA 9mm '1911' EMP. Guess it depends on how much 9mm I still have left and if I still want to keep buying 9mm or consolidate handgun ammo back down to .357/.38.
Primus Pilum
05-12-16, 17:43
G26 or VP9 with 10 rounders.
Faster and more efficient placement of rounds on target than either .45 , 10mm or .357.
Negligible terminal performance with modern bullets and good shot placement.
Why the hell would I be limited to 10 rounds?
a single stack, pocket 9mm. Kahr CM9 if you're OK with DAO, the new Glock, or the sig or kimber variants of the SA 9mm pocket auto
hand on gun, in your pocket, (with the gun being in a holster there, of course) is by far the fastest, most reliable CCW draw. For most people, the hand on gun draw is twice as fast, as their ccw belt rig draw. The pocket draw is 3x as fast as the ccw belt rig draw, if you've got a winter coat over your ccw garment.
Since my main carry gun now is a P226, I'd probably just get a P227 and use the same holsters.
LibertyNeverDies
05-13-16, 07:49
Walther PPS M2
HK P30c LEM
9mm 1911
Colt LW Commander in 38 Super.
Mr. Greene
05-14-16, 00:33
Interesting, during the last ban I found myself carrying a 1911 more, but I think it was more for the cool guy factor and liking the fact of having a custom 1911 on my belt. These days I have pretty much retired the big steel and rotate between a Glock 19 and my M&P Shield. So if another ban happens and I am relegated to a 10 round limit I will keep the shield and think real serious about gettin one of the new Sig P225's which has always been on the most wanted list for me.
Glock 19 w/10 round mags, it's what I carried in Hawaii.
My summer EDC is a Ruger SR9c, with 10+1 and additional 10 rounder as a back up. Conceals well in my IWB all summer long.
If I HAD to carry a sub 10 round gun, I would probably carry a 1911. **** it! Why not? I already carry a larger gun, feel most comfortable shooting a larger gun and would choose something larger over a pocket pistol every day.
Instead, I'm going to continue to live in free America and carry a G19 w/ Surefire X300.
Back to the OP. Get plenty of normal cap mags. Maybe another gun too. Don't sweat the nazi laws. If you want a backup for carry or insurance fine.
Coal Dragger
05-14-16, 11:25
If forced to limit myself in that manner I guess it would be a HK45C or something similar.
This reminds me that I wish HK made the HK45/45C frame in a 10mm. That would be a nice pistol.
Can always find S&W 4506, 4566, 4586, really any 45XX model. Same with the 10XX models. Then there were the 39XX Shield like 9mm. I don't remember if the 4006 was 10+1 or 11+1.
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Guns-up.50
05-14-16, 12:11
I carry a G30S, and im not limited to 10. Its been a great gun similar size to a g19, but in a .45 with 10 rnd mags. If not this then id also go with a g26. (All been said before)
I'd bet that the 1911 is still the best selling pistol in America, in spite of weight and "finickiness". ;)
And the 1911 conceals far better than its size might appear to indicate.
Interesting list of best selling firearms... In regards to conceal carry... I'd love to CC my Sig P320 full size or Beretta M9 but the bottom line for me on conceal carry is... Is the gun actually perfectly concealed while comfortable... Do I feel confident with it as far as safe carrier n do I almost not even know it's there .. After much trying out various CC scenarios. The Smith n Wesson Shield is the best Cc gun I have run across n it's easy to carry anytime in a Desantis pocket holster- it completely disappears in jeans pocket.
I carry a G30S, and im not limited to 10. Its been a great gun similar size to a g19, but in a .45 with 10 rnd mags. If not this then id also go with a g26. (All been said before)
Ditto. I've always been partial to the .45; starting with my very first handgun. To me, the 30s is the best carry gun in that particular caliber. So, if a 10 round limit were to go into effect, I wouldn't change a thing. But, just to be safe, I have been stocking up on regular capacity magazines (i.e. anything up to a 30 rounder).
kantstudien
05-15-16, 04:32
How about instead of bending over again like we did from 1994-2004 we all become NRA life members and start lobbying for change, i.e. getting rid of the gun grabbers in office?
Or we could play this game in twenty years and it will be "which single shot pistol would you carry?"
"Why two?" Because I haven't bought a third for my KANGAROO CARRY holster. When shooting one-handed and on the move, the compact performs better for me.
I understand having duplicate and do the same, I was just wondering why not the full size.
I live in California. Not only do we have capacity restrictions, but we are burdened by a handgun roster. It limits our choices as to what we as civilians can buy.
My choices are simple -
For Carry:
Glock 26
Glock 27
Kahr K9
HK P2000 sk
Sig P239
For home defense:
Glock 30
Sig P220
1911 SA MC Operator or TRP
I only have one revolver SW 640-1
I lived in Canada , so its a given 10 round ..i owned g34 MOs and hk45 but I'll go with 45acp HK45
Singlestack Wonder
11-08-16, 14:48
I'd bet that the 1911 is still the best selling pistol in America, in spite of weight and "finickiness". ;)
No, not even close to Glock....
No, not even close to Glock....
Hasn't the Shield been the top seller the past few years? That plus the rest of the M&P and SD line has to put Smith up near, or at the top.
The Dumb Gun Collector
11-08-16, 17:27
Conservative choice: Hk45 Compact
Awesome choice: 1911
Browning HiPower in .40S&W. EDC for me now.
Hk45 Compact
Realistic choice.
1911
Emotional choice.
FlyingHunter
11-08-16, 20:24
Just say no
RAM Engineer
11-08-16, 20:34
Glock 26 or 19, same as usual.
HK USP for sure..it's the get home gun :)
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Faced with this decision, I decided on a glock 30sf, glock 26, and Smith and wesson shield in .40.
Then I added a sw686 357 mag..
Then an HK VP9 for the night stand to get a little more velocity.
p7m8 or my Garthwaite 10mm 1911.
I'd love to see a shield fs, or a single stack 9mm just big enough for 10 rds. If I was in a ban state, that's what id want as the thickness, or lack of really helps conceal, but you'd get decent sight radius. I find the shield with 8rd mag perfect length if the whole grip was that size, for a fs gun. Just lengthen the slide a bit. This is in addition to, not in replacement of the shield. Probably a very niche market though.
G-26 or Super Pony, Combat Precision Custom 38 Super.
http://www.combatprecision.com/superpony
I've thought about this a lot in the past and if I was limited to 10 rounds I'd definitely buy and carry the S&W M&P45 Mid size. IMO its the perfect 10 round semi-auto.
G-26 or Super Pony, Combat Precision Custom 38 Super.
http://www.combatprecision.com/superpony
Pretty sure his work is like $6500ish, minimum.
Pretty sure his work is like $6500ish, minimum.
Superpony is mine, and he is very reasonable, I supplied the series 70 38 super and it was under 3k, not sure what the wait time is now though.
Oh wow!! Maybe it was a specific model I saw. Costas model maybe?
I have quite a selection to choose from, SIG P-225, Smith M39-2, Colt .38 Super Auto, Smith M13 3", all will do nicely.
Look at the H&K P30sk V3. Great shooter and easy to conceal.
Didnt read the thread, and i assume the point is moot due to DJT's win: However, to answer the question....
I would personally carry a full size 1911 (in .45) or a G43 depending on how important concealment was. I think a 1911 conceals very well and weight isnt as much of an issue as people make it out to be if you have a good belt. Thickness is more important IMO, and you cant beat the 1911 in that department.
No mag limits, i usually prefer a G19. Limit me to 10, and ill take a Wilson Combat 8+1 all-day everyday for my primary. G43 or 642 would do just fine if im in shorts and a t-shirt.
Would you skip the G19 only because their 10rd mags aren't reliable or are there other reasons?
Would you skip the G19 only because their 10rd mags aren't reliable or are there other reasons?
Nope. I would skip the G19 with 10 round mags because a 1911 in .45ACP is better in every way. Better trigger, thinner, bigger bullet, better ergos, etc...
If i had to make a shot, id choose the 1911 every time....i shoot it better. The only benefit of the Glock is weight, and i dont feel that is a big factor if you have a good belt (beltman for me).
Weight and I suppose if you're not limited to 10, capacity (15 vs 8).
Weight and I suppose if you're not limited to 10, capacity (15 vs 8).
I agree. Thats why i usually carry a 19.....im not limited. If i were limited, the choice most likely would change.
reloader550
11-14-16, 11:06
Glock 35 GEN 4 loaded with Speer gold dots, Federal HST or Remington golden saber.
Didnt read the thread, and i assume the point is moot due to DJT's win: However, to answer the question....
Keep in mind, there are plenty of people who have been facing this limitation prior to the election and will continue to do so.
In California, my go to pistol was a P220 Carry. Of course, I carried the same in Florida as well.
MountainRaven
11-14-16, 13:00
Six months and one election later, I stand by my initial choice: Wilson Combat Ultralight Carry Commander in 9mm. With a Colt Combat Unit in 9mm with an X300U for a nightstand gun.
Glock 19, even if I was limited to 5 round mags. Too much trigger time behind it to change now.
Hi power
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I recently bought a S&W Shield in 45. mine has the thumb safety that I did not really want but it is easy for me to use and I have experience using weapons with a external safety, so its okay. I have yet to shoot the gun. The trigger is not super, but not bad. I find it comparable in size to my RIA Officers model 1911, but less things to poke you like the 1911. It should be easier to carry, definitely lighter. I might make it to the range today. I need to shoot it a good bit to confirm accuracy and reliability. With the election going the way it did there is no problem on the horizon nationally, but I live in Oregon and the gun grabbers are beating their drums. My EDC is a Glock 33 which is 9+1, so I should be okay anyway, but nice to already own a alternate or two or three.
I went with the Kimber Micro9, because I'm a seriously prejudiced 1911 fan and the Kimber's frame tang protects the cocked hammer. The Sig P938 does not and the sig has had LOTS of issues.
I'd say. SIG p239 in 357 SIG.
Drifting Fate
11-19-16, 18:43
A good friend in CA is going through this right now - he doesn't want to buy anything new, so it's 10 round mags in a 9mm Hi-Power or a .40 Hi-Power. While I'm not a .40 lover, I think Browning got it right by increasing the mass of their slide rather than simply jamming in a stiffer recoil spring (may have been part of the equation, been too long since I spent time with a .40 HP, though it's the only .40 I regret selling.)
All things being equal, it would seem to be a situation where the .40 wins, but his slightly-built wife comes into the equation, which tips it towards the 9mm. I'm guessing the 9mm will win out, and he won't be the worse for wear other than that entire un-Constitutional/"shall not be impinged" thing.
El Viajero
11-24-16, 13:19
I would simply carry my HK45 or HK45c. Most likely the compact as the full size is large.
I would carry my M&P 45 Middy. As is I switch back and forth between it and my G19. So no big deal if I'm limited to a 10 round mag. I'll just carry the M&P full time
556BlackRifle
11-24-16, 19:01
If limited to ten rounds, why not go with a larger caliber such as .45 ACP? I would.
Singlestack Wonder
11-24-16, 20:58
I feel that it is very possible that the USA will be facing another federal Hi-cap magazines ban in not so distant future... Maybe I am wrong but we might be facing it just after the coming elections. Do you believe if that happens that the 1911 will become even more popular and used as a CCW even more than it is today? In such event would you rather carry a 10 round 92FS, P226 or CZ75 or even a G17/19 (I hope Glock will design a reliable 10 round magazine) over a 1911 in 9mm or .45? There are some nice 9mm 1911s today like Dan Wesson Specialist or this one for example: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/05/jon-wayne-taylor/gun-review-sti-hex-tactical-ss-9mm-1911/ Which one would you choose as your go to gun?
Why do you feel that there will be another restriction on magazine capacity? Am I missing something with the recent election results? As long as liberals do not control all three branches of the government, I don't think we will see restrictions anytime soon.
Why do you feel that there will be another restriction on magazine capacity? Am I missing something with the recent election results? As long as liberals do not control all three branches of the government, I don't think we will see restrictions anytime soon.
Might want to check the date of the post you quoted. Doubt the OP had a crystal ball.
MountainRaven
11-24-16, 21:10
If limited to ten rounds, why not go with a larger caliber such as .45 ACP? I would.
Because 9mm is still available in smaller, lighter guns and the ammunition is still lighter, lighter recoiling, less expensive, and 99.9% as effective.
IMHO, if you lived some place where JHPs were banned, then I'd see a strong argument for 45.
Still, if given the choice between a large handgun designed for higher capacities in 9mm versus a similarly sized 45 designed from the ground-up to hold 8-10 rounds, I'd go with the 45 just because I'd be more apt to trust the gun to run as it should.
TactiCool1976
11-26-16, 01:47
while i dont think this will happen in my area..... if it was to happen.... i'd go with a 1911 45acp... or 1911 10mm... but more than not it would be 1911 45acp....
ramairthree
11-26-16, 10:02
1006
Well,
If mags become reasonably available again
1006
Well,
If mags become reasonably available again
I have a 1076 and mags galore. It is a boat anchor. Unless someone is paying me, I'm not hauling a SW 3rd gen on my own time. But if S&W made a Sig Sauer....that'd be it the way it decocks.
If I ended up in some communist state and was restricted to 10 or fewer rounds, I'd get a Glock 43 with mag extenders. People are plunking 9 bills or a grand for P225s when a Glock 43 does it all. It is very much next on my list for the pile.
I'd like a Commander 1911 for poops and giggles but ultimately I'm at a point where slim and +p+ ammo is all I really need or want.
JMO
ramairthree
11-30-16, 00:23
I have a 1006 and 1086,
But sadly only 8 mags for the pair.
I like my pistols like I like my watches,
Preferably automatic, SS, and with tritium.
I have a 1006 and 1086,
But sadly only 8 mags for the pair.
I like my pistols like I like my watches,
Preferably automatic, SS, and with tritium.
Midway was practically giving 10MM mags away 5 years ago or so, just saying......
I love my 1076. Even thought it's not exactly sonny crocketts gun, Crockett's Theme comes to mind when I shoot it
Springfield TRP
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MRBShooter
12-14-16, 16:10
Whichever of my favorites I shoot accurately under pressure.
Most gunfights take place within fifteen feet or so. I have some LEO friends who have gotten into gunfights on the job, and all have said the same thing - happened too fast to think.
So whichever I shoot best under pressure, with lots of practice to make perfect.
Since I shoot my .40 S&W P226 and 45 acp USP about the same, whichever is lighter I suppose (P226). Though I love the USP's solid feel.
But if I carried, I would practice alot more than I do.
I have been carrying a S&W 442 38+P and/or 640 357 Mag. Pocket carry.
I don't think twice about capacity.
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For some reason I can hit more tin cans, rocks, stumps, dirt clods, turtles and bulls-eyes with my G26 than any other Glock and sometimes carry it in spite of its limited capacity. That extra m-19 mag in my back pocket is nice too.
teutonicpolymer
12-15-16, 19:11
I have a 1076 and mags galore. It is a boat anchor. Unless someone is paying me, I'm not hauling a SW 3rd gen on my own time. But if S&W made a Sig Sauer....that'd be it the way it decocks.
If I ended up in some communist state and was restricted to 10 or fewer rounds, I'd get a Glock 43 with mag extenders. People are plunking 9 bills or a grand for P225s when a Glock 43 does it all. It is very much next on my list for the pile.
I'd like a Commander 1911 for poops and giggles but ultimately I'm at a point where slim and +p+ ammo is all I really need or want.
JMO
I don't get the attraction with the p225, it is a pretty big gun and the way I see it you might as well just go with a G19 at that point since they are so similar in dimension except the G19 has almost double the capacity
Cagemonkey
12-18-16, 18:29
Given the Terminal Ballistic performance of current 9mm carry loads, the stopping power debate is practically over. Regardless of 10 rounds or high capacity, carry the pistol by which you are familiar, confident and accurate with.
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