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Digital_Damage
07-01-16, 16:00
Initial reports having him traveling well above the speed limit while on autopilot and watching harry potter on a portable DVD player....
Dafaq was he thinking?
At least he only killed himself
This made me think of the DUI thread. How many Tesla drivers are cruzing around drunk while on autopilot?
http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/report-tesla-driver-may-have-been-watching-movie-at-time-of-fatal-crash/ar-AAhS1QW?li=AA8jR2&ocid=spartanntp
Outlander Systems
07-01-16, 16:08
Dude was a Navy Frogman...
The cops probably were just being sensitive. He wasn't watching Harry Potter.
Also those kids who hang themselves in the closet.....well, most of them weren't really depressed. Some were, but not most.
And that dog you had that went to the dog farm.....well, that wasn't accurate.
Still, that's quite a way to die.
Outlander Systems
07-01-16, 16:13
More deets:
The U.S. announced Thursday the first fatality in a wreck involving a car in self-driving mode, the 40-year-old owner of a technology company who nicknamed his vehicle “Tessy” and had praised its sophisticated “Autopilot” system just one month earlier for preventing a collision on an interstate. The government said it is investigating the design and performance of the system aboard the Tesla Model S sedan.
Joshua D. Brown, of Canton, Ohio, died in the accident May 7 in Williston, Florida, when his car’s cameras failed to distinguish the white side of a turning tractor-trailer from a brightly lit sky and didn’t automatically activate its brakes, according to government records obtained Thursday.
Frank Baressi, 62, the driver of the truck and owner of Okemah Express LLC, said the Tesla driver was “playing Harry Potter on the TV screen” at the time of the crash and driving so quickly that “he went so fast through my trailer I didn’t see him.”
“It was still playing when he died and snapped a telephone pole a quarter mile down the road,” Baressi told The Associated Press in an interview from his home in Palm Harbor, Florida. He acknowledged he couldn’t see the movie, only heard it.
Tesla Motors Inc. said it is not possible to watch videos on the Model S touch screen. There was no reference to the movie in initial police reports.
Brown’s published obituary described him as a member of the Navy SEALs for 11 years and founder of Nexu Innovations Inc., working on wireless Internet networks and camera systems for the Department of Defense. In Washington, the Pentagon confirmed Brown’s work with the SEALs and said he left the service in 2008.
It seems to me the truck driver is at least partially at fault here, turning across oncoming traffic when he clearly didn't have the room to do so safely.
It seems to me the truck driver is at least partially at fault here, turning across oncoming traffic when he clearly didn't have the room to do so safely.
Possibly, but if the idiot in the tesla was going 100 in a 50 then it's not hard to imagine the truck driver misjudging the closing speed. How fast do you have to be going to squirt under a trailer and take out a light pole after??
Wasn't aware that there were ANY fully autonomous cars licensed to drive in public roads aside from test cars in specific markets. The Autopilot is marketed as a semiautonomous system. Aka you need to be ready to take over things if the computer can't figure stuff out. NOT surfing Pornhub during your commute.
The guy in the tesla was an idiot. Thankfully he only took himself out of the gene pool and not a school bus full of kids.
Averageman
07-01-16, 17:06
We weren't happy with all of the distractions a mere cell phone could produce while your behind the wheel.
Nope, we had to have a self diving cell phone that you could actually sit inside of and tune out the whole world while you are on the public roads.
F'ing bad idea.
ColtSeavers
07-01-16, 17:14
I keep thinking of all the fun people had/have talking trash about German Engineers not putting MEGAGULP cup holders in their cars and, as much as a PITA as it was to try and sneak in a Popeye's crispy tender bite or drink from my MEGAGULP while driving my manual transmission POS early 90's 3 series back from the PX food court to the barracks, they're on to something.
VooDoo6Actual
07-01-16, 17:17
Technology dependence has it's issues consequences.
None of it is close to perfected in reality. Just part of the CON & ongoing perception shift & manufactured consent.
The Technocracy claims another life & no one notices or cares.
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-01-16, 17:31
I have the smart cruise on my Escalade and it does OK. It will slow you down so you don't smack stuff, but if someone pulls into the turn lane to turn left, it is going to stop you. It doesn't see panic braking a few cars ahead, so it doesn't act- it reacts- with hard braking. The lane departure vibrations make me wish my junk was long enough to reach the edge of the seat.
There is no way that an auto pilot driver is going to be better than me. It can't see what people are doing in their cars and know that they aren't paying attention. It leaves such a big gap in front, that on I294 in Chicago you will never get anywhere.
What it is good at is never being distracted. That is its real strength. Why it needs to get to fully autonomous I don't understand. Eventually for a lot of reasons, the autodriver is going to crap the bed and the 'driver' is going to have to pick up the slack. If you are asleep, tugging it, haven't driven a car in five years- things are not going to go well. AAA and Uber are going to be getting calls from people that need picking up because their autopilot can't deal with the construction bypass.
But with all the baby boomers that won't be able to fully drive themselves and not wanting to give up freedom of travel and millennials and younger who can't be bothered to learn to drive or pay for a car- that is a very lucrative market.
Buddy is in the insurance industry and he says it won't happen because the liabilities are too high. Like this guy- he was speeding on autopilot, who picks up the bill if he runs into a bus of kids?
This story doesn't pass smell test.
It leaves such a big gap in front, that on I294 in Chicago you will never get anywhere.Hoping to cut in front of all the autopilot cars. They have to brake.
Eventually for a lot of reasons, the autodriver is going to crap the bed and the 'driver' is going to have to pick up the slack. If you are asleep, tugging it, haven't driven a car in five years- things are not going to go well.Like Asiana airline pilots.
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-01-16, 20:22
This story doesn't pass smell test.
Hoping to cut in front of all the autopilot cars. They have to brake.
Like Asian airline pilots.
Just in case people think we are racist, he means the Airline, not the race.
Everyone knows Asians can't drive. Flying they are fine, just look at Pearl Harbor.
ETA:See he fixed it.
I keep thinking of all the fun people had/have talking trash about German Engineers not putting MEGAGULP cup holders in their cars and, as much as a PITA as it was to try and sneak in a Popeye's crispy tender bite or drink from my MEGAGULP while driving my manual transmission POS early 90's 3 series back from the PX food court to the barracks, they're on to something.
That's like the inventor of the Mini. The original had no radio or adjustable seats. His idea was that people shouldn't be comfortable while driving, they should pay attention
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I have the smart cruise on my Escalade and it does OK. It will slow you down so you don't smack stuff, but if someone pulls into the turn lane to turn left, it is going to stop you. It doesn't see panic braking a few cars ahead, so it doesn't act- it reacts- with hard braking. The lane departure vibrations make me wish my junk was long enough to reach the edge of the seat.
What year did that start? I have the backup alarm but dont think my cruise control does anything other than maintain speed.
When I drive my car, that is what I'm doing.
If I can't change the radio station without taking my eyes off the road, I turn the radio OFF. I can't imagine how anyone actually believes they can safely drive while watching a movie.
wildcard600
07-02-16, 02:19
When I drive my car, that is what I'm doing.
If I can't change the radio station without taking my eyes off the road, I turn the radio OFF. I can't imagine how anyone actually believes they can safely drive while watching a movie.
Those people are the ones who need "do not attempt to stop blade with hands or genitals" warnings on chainsaws.
Another example of why futuristic technology should not be trusted it out human/mechanical backups. This is why "smart guns" will never be as reliable as the elites pretend.
Autopilot on cars is retarded. On aircraft it might work because the traffic isn't as bad as it is with cars.
I believe the only way this tech ever works is if the cars are all linked to a central control system. Which is why it won't be in our lifetime.
I, like most others, prefer to row my own gearbox.
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FromMyColdDeadHand
07-02-16, 09:07
I believe the only way this tech ever works is if the cars are all linked to a central control system. Which is why it won't be in our lifetime.
I, like most others, prefer to row my own gearbox.
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Bad news, most already are with systems like OnStar......
Anyone for what happens when someone hacks the system and has everyone play Mulachi-crunch at the same time? Or jus t randomly crashes cars...
I don't think self driving cars will work. Vehicles travel to close to each other, and until they have artificial intelligence that can anticipate, not just react, it's just not possible. IMHO.
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-02-16, 09:41
What year did that start? I have the backup alarm but dont think my cruise control does anything other than maintain speed.
Mine is a 2014. Bought it a year old.
Bad news, most already are with systems like OnStar......
Anyone for what happens when someone hacks the system and has everyone play Mulachi-crunch at the same time? Or jus t randomly crashes cars...
Yes, but onstar is easily disabled. And I don't mean by not paying the bill.
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I don't think self driving cars will work. Vehicles travel to close to each other, and until they have artificial intelligence that can anticipate, not just react, it's just not possible. IMHO.
The computers can react faster than humans, and many if not most accidents happen because the driver didn't anticipate what was going to happen... if he did, he would have avoided it.
I'm sure the same debate happened when ABS and automatic transmissions were introduced. Maybe even cruise control.
The computers can react faster than humans, and many if not most accidents happen because the driver didn't anticipate what was going to happen... if he did, he would have avoided it.
I'm sure the same debate happened when ABS and automatic transmissions were introduced. Maybe even cruise control.
Very true, however driving isn't all reacting to the nearest threat. Most of us scan traffic and make small adjustments on the fly. You see the guy 5 cars ahead turn start swinging into your lane and you slow. Current generations of systems react to those items that are a direct threat. Someone cutting you off, someone swinging into your lane... Not good enough. There is a reason why smart cars and humans have a problem interacting on the same road. We are fluid and sometime aro stupid shit. They are linear and literal.
There is a reason why people are looking at wireless networked roads so that smart cars can communicate real time. It's not for your surfing pleasures. Once we bridge the gap and figure out a way to have the smart cars communicating then they will be viable as all cars could be mandated to do so, eve of its a simple plug in module that scream human driver stay away.
there was a good article I read about self driving cars and what they think and also based on being a passenger in such car and value what does it choose you are the other person ?
self driving cars IMHO are a danger and should not be on the road but then again most drivers today should not be on the road and are more dangerous then self driving cars :)
militarymoron
07-02-16, 20:13
I think that a self-driving car is safer than most of the other drivers i see on the road every day looking down at their smart phones even while going through intersections etc. however, i'm not sure whether it's safer than ME driving. i don't access my phone while driving and pay good attention to what's going on around me (which is why i notice all the distracted drivers around).
out family vehicle is a 2013 subaru outback with the Eyesight driver assist technology. it's got pre-collision warning, brake and throttle control. i've tested out the adaptive cruise control where it varies its speed based on the vehicle it's following, even coming to a complete stop in stop-and-go traffic, then starting up again. the whole time my foot was hovering over the brake pedal though.
auto pilot on cars has potential, it just remains to be seen how safe it really is compared to human drivers. hell, we put our lives in others' hands every time we're a passenger or sleeping on the carpool van. we may trust ourselves as drivers, but how about the other guy?
the tesla auto pilot number was advertised as the first fatality in 130 million miles where autopilot was activated, but there aren't many autopilot cars on the road right now. i'd like to see what that number is in 5 years and compare that to the 94 million mile number for vehicles in the US.
however, i'm not sure whether it's safer than ME driving.
I'm pretty sure every single person with a driver's license and many without one thinks that exact same thing :)
militarymoron
07-02-16, 22:16
I'm pretty sure every single person with a driver's license and many without one thinks that exact same thing :)
Actually, quite a few people i've talked to readily admit that they're not really good drivers and would welcome an auto-piloted car so they can update their facebook page on the way to work, or just go to sleep. I suspect that most people on this board are actually better drivers than your average prius-driving millennial or soccer mom, actually like some aspect of driving. there are many who don't, and just see it as a necessary evil and would just love to be chauffeured everywhere.
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-03-16, 01:11
The computers can react faster than humans, and many if not most accidents happen because the driver didn't anticipate what was going to happen... if he did, he would have avoided it.
I'm sure the same debate happened when ABS and automatic transmissions were introduced. Maybe even cruise control.
My kids think I have ESP because as we drive around I tell them what cars are going to do before they do it.
The auto functions on my car act like a 16 year old permit driver. It looks and fixates on the car ahead.
Self driving cars are like reflexes versus human conscious driving. What I find so interesting is that they want to go whole hog self driving rather than the logical first step of assisted collision avoidance. Making cars so that they can't rearend people- with in the limits of braking- would be a HUGE advance in safety and reduce or eliminate fender benders. Getting cars that avoid head ons would be even more beneficial since those are so devastating.
Mandate the collision avoidance first and then go whole hog.
Call the system J.E.S.U.S, so you can just throw your hands up and yell "Jesus take the wheel!".
It's like no one ever watched the movie W.A.L.L.I.E.
This could be bad for my Tesla stock.
self driving cars IMHO are a danger and should not be on the road but then again most drivers today should not be on the road and are more dangerous then self driving cars :)
Amen... I started driving in the 70's and learned to drive in HS drivers ed class. We learned using Ford Gran Torinos with "three on the tree". My first car was a 10 year old, 1966 Chevelle Super Sport, manual steering, manual transmission, non-power single master cylinder drum brakes and a mild 396 engine. You had to have your "head in the game" to drive that car.
Nowadays, the average car has more power, more standard equipment and more driver assisting gadgets than there were ANY options available for my Chevelle.
While auto technology has advanced, driver capability has declined, and it shows...
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-03-16, 07:59
This could be bad for my Tesla stock.
According to some of the stuff I read, tesla stock and finances have more more trouble than this.
Another Tesla Allegedly Crashes While In Autopilot Mode
This crash occurred a day after Tesla revealed the first autopilot fatality.
07/05/2016 09:41 pm, Updated 6 hours ago
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tesla-crash-autopilot-mode_us_577c2b55e4b0416464110cbc?section=
The computers can react faster than humans, and many if not most accidents happen because the driver didn't anticipate what was going to happen... if he did, he would have avoided it.
I'm sure the same debate happened when ABS and automatic transmissions were introduced. Maybe even cruise control.
How many accidents are avoided due to people anticipating? It is just not about reaction time it is about EXPECTING that truck to pull in front of you. Computers can't EXPECT.
According to some of the stuff I read, tesla stock and finances have more more trouble than this.
It's a volatile tech stock that will vary greatly. That's just the nature of the beast. My understanding is they are well funded.
Averageman
07-06-16, 11:47
I can't wait for them to start marketing school buses, after all, what could go wrong?
How many accidents are avoided due to people anticipating? It is just not about reaction time it is about EXPECTING that truck to pull in front of you. Computers can't EXPECT.
They actually can.
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