View Full Version : Why are CZ pistols such great deals?
ramairthree
07-12-16, 14:39
Say you are looking for an all metal gun with threaded barrel, suppressor height night sights, etc.
CZ will offer something railed or non railed with a good trigger, etc. and a fantastic price.
Look at other brands polymer options, let alone all metal,
And it is crazy in comparison.
Should a CZ 75 BD have been the military selection back in the 80s. That would have been interesting in those days. I don't think I actually saw and touched one until around 2000.
I love my P-01, but she's fugly on the inside.
Why?
Not enough advertisement so not many people (compared to other highly advertised guns) knew them. I supposed CZ as well as dealers had to set the price lower than other guns to attract buyers.
I was aware of the original CZ when Jeff Cooper wrote that it's the best non 1911 pistol and how the Bren 10 was inspired by the CZ75. But back in the 70 and 80s, the CZ was pretty much unobtainable. When they started trickling in, the handful that I saw in the early 2000 had very fragile magazines. The images of magazine failures made me lose interests in them. Three years ago I was exposed to the polymer P07 through writings by our own C4Grant and also by trainer Mike Pannone. They had such great things to say about the CZ that I bit the bullet and bought my first 07. I was pleasantly surprised at the out of the box accuracy and performance of the $400 plastic gun.
I know some people looked down on the inexpensive price of the CZ and equated that to low quality. Surely a $400 gun is not a good gun, a $600-800 German gun would be better right?
Will all of you guys stop talking about CZs until *after* I buy my SP-01. I need to finish building my RPR this month first. Thank you.
The CZ75 is one of my favorite under the radar 9mms out there. They aren't highly advertised and those who want a CZ, know what they are and seek them out. Who here recommends a CZ as a first gun when compared to a Glock, M&P or P320? I'd bet almost none of us would think CZ first.
No flies on CZ. They're quietly staking claim to some pretty significant ground, like dangerous game rifles and hammer-fired polymer handguns, and expanding into other parts of the market. I think they have the patience, the positioning, and the chops to expand broadly into the US market, especially if we get slapped with massive anti-2A legislation after the next election.
Okie John
A really good deal is the 75s with the sickle on it. My friend picked one up to close to 300-$350. No one wants them, lol.
I have never even given CZ a thought at all and have never had one in my hands. It appears to be one hell of a pistol for the money. Looking at their sight and the photos/specs, the P-09 tactical and 75 SP-01 tactical look incredible. 21 round mag capacity, threaded barrel, suppressor height night sights among other things.
Is there something I'm missing here besides not owning one? Are their triggers really bad, is the quality sub par? I don't get how they are not eating FN and HK's lunch with the line up of pistols they have. I will have to see if I can order one of these very soon unless someone can give me a valid reason why these aren't worth the money.
The stock triggers do suck. Though the IPSC/USPSA models have great triggers out of the box that can be made greater.
If your a trigger guy, adding a czcustom sao trigger is easy and $50. A comp hammer is $70 iirc. I just put the sao in mine when I had it and was a great trigger, I hear the comp hammer takes it into solid 1911 territory but haven't tried one myself.
If you want to experiment with a metal frame da/sa or sao, I'd definately try one out, resale isn't bad at all.
I've since moved away, as I prefer striker guns, but they area lot of fun. I may pick up an sp01 down the road.
I don't have experience with every single model but I find the triggers to be ok. Not great but certainly there are worse. I prefer CZ stock trigger over Beretta and definitely over most HK. This is just out of the box standard models. They are nice guns. I equate them to FN. Both are available in every store but I never see anyone buy one, carry one or even shoot one at the range.
For me personally I don't like the short thin slides and lack of ambidextrous features for a DA/SA gun
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My interest began as a result of Mr Pannone's thread here on the P-07, having been essentially a Glock only guy for quite some time. Glocks are easy, parts are everywhere and they are as we all know stupid simple. However, I personally get much better performance from CZ, and I now own six of them. Accuracy tops Glock in spades, and with a few simple part swaps, I have no complaints about triggers/etc. A P-07 with a lighter hammer spring, extended firing pin and lighter FPB spring (total about $45 from CGW) and it shoots fantastic! I don't plan on parting with my Glocks, but I haven't shot them in quite some time. The only real negative I have is that the mags are spendy, and parts are a bit more difficult to source, but big kudos to CGW their shipping times are lightning fast and their customer service rivals anyone I have dealt with. I am a total convert now.
As an aside they perform very well suppressed, definitely a quieter gun than a Glock.
This was my first time out with a bone stock 75BD Police on Dot Torture, the stock trigger isn't all that bad
The triggers are just OK - nothing more. My transitional came with a VERY good SA, and now the DA is great - so they have potential. But, OTB they are shootable and accurate - and they ARE reliable, so they count as a good combat pistol. If you have someone local, and can get a trigger job for a reasonable price, they are excellent. the Omega does improve things OTB. They were my first 9, and they now have cheap mags etc. However, the P 07/09 need to get MecGar licensed to sell.
I bought one of the Israeli surplus CZ-75's imported by Cole. I paid under $300. I've sent it off to Cajun Gun Works for their carry package and to put a decent front sight on the pistol. Then for Cerakote. I was able to get magazines at CDNN for less than $20. I'm looking forward to getting it back.
A really good deal is the 75s with the sickle on it. My friend picked one up to close to 300-$350. No one wants them, lol.
I'm pretty sure the one with the sickle on it was the CZ75 Cold War Commemorative model. LGS had one for $599, IIRC I read somewhere they were limited to 999 units. If that's the one your friend got they got a smoking deal. The one I saw had a red sickle and the writing on the slide was in Cyrillic.
I'm pretty sure the one with the sickle on it was the CZ75 Cold War Commemorative model. LGS had one for $599, IIRC I read somewhere they were limited to 999 units. If that's the one your friend got they got a smoking deal. The one I saw had a red sickle and the writing on the slide was in Cyrillic.
I just googled that and instantly found a place with two in stock for 569. That is a hell of a deal indeed.
multistage
07-14-16, 22:25
A friend of mine has one. Pretty sweet shooter.
I think CZs are unsung.
A Cz75 SP01 tactical was the gun that got me into shooting. I have since sold it to fund my AR project. But I still have my FNS40, which is another great shooting pistol.
But an urban grey p07 with threaded barrel and suppressor sights is in my future.
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I think the 'CZ secret' is getting out, years ago CZs weren't available locally except for the occasional used one. But when I did come across one it was usually pretty cheap. Now one of our local shops is an authorized CZ dealer.
I bought a used CZ97B years ago, still one of my favorite pistols, with a sweet SA pull. Also bought a new P-07 for $350 when they first rolled out. The Omega trigger in the P-07 was one of the best factory triggers I've ever shot. I was also shooting a gen 3 Glock G34 at the time, and always wondered how CZ could produce a pistol that felt so good in my hand and the G34 felt like a brick with a limp trigger.
I'm pretty sure the one with the sickle on it was the CZ75 Cold War Commemorative model. LGS had one for $599, IIRC I read somewhere they were limited to 999 units. If that's the one your friend got they got a smoking deal. The one I saw had a red sickle and the writing on the slide was in Cyrillic.
CZ did a second run on these so there are now either 1999 or 2000 in circulation. However from past readings it would appear that only 500 made it to the US from the original 999 so I am assuming it would be the same for this second batch.
CZ did a second run on these so there are now either 1999 or 2000 in circulation. However from past readings it would appear that only 500 made it to the US from the original 999 so I am assuming it would be the same for this second batch.
Do you know why only 500 made it here and where the other 499 went?
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MountainRaven
08-13-16, 17:26
Do you know why only 500 made it here and where the other 499 went?
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I think only CZ in the Czech Republic would know for certain, but it's probably safe to speculate that the 499 that didn't come into the US went to CZ employees, CZ's reference collection/museum, Czech, Slovakian, Slovenian, Polish, Finnish, Swedish, Norwegian, German, Northern Irish, Isle of Manners (Man Islanders? Whatever) and other European countries where handguns are legal, South Africa, Russia, the Philippines, Israel, the Islamic Middle East, and the collections of various lesser tyrants with a hard-on for the Soviet Union.
alcante262
08-13-16, 18:01
Does the CZ models come in a compact size.Im new to these pistols
Do you know why only 500 made it here and where the other 499 went?
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Split between U.S. and Europe probably.
Does the CZ models come in a compact size.Im new to these pistols
Not sure if I really understand your question but i will try to help.
There are three major style/design/type/model of CZ pistols.
1. 75 series are metal/aluminum and their off shoots. There are the full size 75 and the "compact" 75. There are 3 compact 75 are known as the Compact, PCR and P01 models. The compact and the PCR does not have a light rail. The P01 has a rail.
2. The P series are polymer. The P09 is a full size and hold 19 rounds in their magazines. The P07 is a compact size and hold 16 or 15, depending on the magazines.
3. The Rami series. They are metal and only come in compact size.
I suggest going to the CZ website to learn about the various details and differences within each model.
the CZ 75 and 97's are some of my favorite pistols, especially the CZ 97BD. it's a beast. some of the clones are also really great values. my Tristar T-120 has been a great shooter and blast at the range. For the price pretty hard to beat. I do not own any of the Tanfoglio (imported by EAA) clones but many folks are very happy with them. my next CZ clone acquisition will probably be a Tanfoglio of some sort, possibly their 45acp (CZ 97 clone) variant.
PrivateCitizen
08-14-16, 15:48
CZ is a fantastic firearm.
I carried this CZ PCR custom after when I was no longer required to carry the SIG P228
I kept it until I bought an M&P as a foray into strikers (which I dumped and now run Glocks exclusively).
I keep this it out of sentiment. Class written all over it. Sights are hard to come by … but this is my favorite DA/SA pistol ever.
http://dragonfly-media.com/_img/misc/g/changing_of_the_guard.jpg
I think only CZ in the Czech Republic would know for certain, but it's probably safe to speculate that the 499 that didn't come into the US went to CZ employees, CZ's reference collection/museum, Czech, Slovakian, Slovenian, Polish, Finnish, Swedish, Norwegian, German, Northern Irish, Isle of Manners (Man Islanders? Whatever) and other European countries where handguns are legal, South Africa, Russia, the Philippines, Israel, the Islamic Middle East, and the collections of various lesser tyrants with a hard-on for the Soviet Union.
Makes sense. IIRC I read somewhere right before I bought a 30th Armed Forces Anniversary M9 that around half of the 2015 produced were in 9x21 for the Italian market since they couldn't own 9x19 because it was a military caliber.
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I have a pretty decent collection of CZ75 pistols, variants and clones. Here are a few things to note.
1) The standard version of the CZ75 has a DA/SA trigger and a manual safety. However, for all intents and purposes, they are single action pistols. In order to use one of these pistols in DA mode, you'd have to lower the hammer down with your thumb while pulling the trigger. It's a tricky proposition which can be done, but the downside is obvious if your thumb slips. Assuming you do manage to thumb down the hammer, the trigger is then in DA mode. However, the manual safety will no longer work. If you're skilled enough to thumb down a hammer over a live cartridge, you're skilled enough to carry a pistol cocked and locked. If you really want a CZ75 that starts in DA mode, then they offer the BD models which have decockers instead of manual safeties.
2) The grip of the CZ75 is just about as perfect as you can get. The pistol points extremely well.
3) Most CZ75 versions have small dot sights. I don't really understand this as it wouldn't really cost more to have dots a little larger. If you have young perfect vision, this is not a problem. However, if you're like me with older vision, you might have to plan on replacing the sights.
4) The CZ75 is a wide pistol. Get one with an aluminum frame and it's even wider. This makes concealed carry problematic as you can either get a compact with a steel slide that's heavy or a lighter one with an aluminum slide that's even wider.
5) There are CZ75 clones (Tristar, EAA Tanfoglio, etc.) that are less expensive and just as good if not better in some regards. The only real downside to the clones is that the importer support is not as good and the parts don't typically interchange (though many magazines do). EAA (the importer of the Italian Tanfoglio pistols) offers versions in 9mm, 40S&W, 45ACP, 38 Super, and 10mm. I even have a Witness Match that I converted from 9mm to 9x23Win.
6) CZ75's and the clones have evolved over the years. As a result, magazine compatibility can be problematic even if a pistol has the same name. Ask about magazine compatibility before buying if you're not 100% sure.
7) And this is the most important thing that I can tell you. If you don't want to own more than one, then don't buy the first. They're addicting and you'll find that they reproduce quickly.
9x23mm Witness Match:
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For those who might want an excellent quality CZ75 clone with a polymer frame, you might consider the SAR B6P. They make both full sized and compact versions. RKGuns.com has them for $240 shipped right now.
http://www.rkguns.com/eaa-sar-b6p-9mm-full-size-pistol-400422.html
http://www.rkguns.com/eaa-sar-b6p-9mm-compact-pistol-400424.html
I have the compact version and a coworker has the full sized version. Both have run 100% since day one. Accuracy is good and the trigger is decent.
https://s4.postimg.org/4pvx78g8d/SAR_B6_Right_View.jpg
https://s4.postimg.org/klkraj6st/SAR_B6_Left_View_Disassembled.jpg
https://s4.postimg.org/6t6cewg19/SAR_B6_Presentation.jpg
They're manufactured in Turkey if that matters.
Most people think of them as a tier two pistol. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but that's the general consensus IMHO. Regardless, they have enough following to sell pistols in a very competitive market.
I've heard a bunch of folks tell the people at my LGS (Florida) that they go there because nobody else in town stocks CZs. The LGS usually has 3 to 5 of various models in stock and they say they are hard to get. Apparently they are very popular in my area.
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