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MountainRaven
07-24-16, 12:40
In the spirit of the polls which ask who you're planning to vote for, here's one that asks why.
Are you voting for Trump? If so, are you voting because you think he's the best man for the job or is it because we absolutely cannot risk the presumptive Democratic nominee (Hillary Clinton) becoming president?
Please pick the option that best fits for you, even if multiple answers fit. Only choose 'Other' if there is a reason not listed and not because you want a combination of the options.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
07-24-16, 12:45
Trump and Hillary are both anthrax. Trump is like eating it, Hillary is like inhaling it. Anthrax eaten could kill you, but probably wont. Anthrax inhaled will most likely kill you.
I voted #2...
Other - As an unaffiliated voter, I was going to sit out this election. But then, Clinton was given a pass by the DoJ. I have only two hopes: 1) If Trump wins, Comey and Lynch will be fired and the case might actually be charged; and 2) I expect that Trump will make a mess of everything else and seal the fate of (as someone else put it) the zombified corpse of what used to be the Republican party.
Business_Casual
07-24-16, 14:30
The chief executive of any large organization sets the tone, and having a clearly lawless person who openly violated security regulations, in what could appear to be a cash-for-access scheme is a non-starter.
Hillary will grant amnesty to the 30-40 million illegals already here and the entire country will be a one-party state, like the Soviet Union or California.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/23/hillary-clinton-vows-to-push-amnesty-in-her-first-100-days/
So, is Trump perfect? No. But he is right on the only issue that matters today - the attempt by the DNC to swamp the voter rolls.
I think Trump will be a great president. I love his style.
America has taken crap from every direction both internally and externally. Trump will do everything possible to change this.
He is the breath of fresh air we need.
After holding my nose in 2008 and voting for McCain, then being shamed into a vote for Romney in 2012, I swore up and down I would NEVER vote for a RINO candidate for POTUS again. EVER. This year I was a Cruz guy, but because they weren't Establishment RINO's I said I'd hit the lever for Trump, Paul, and maybe even Carson if Cruz didn't get it. So I will live by my word and vote for Trump, although I'm not a yuge fan.
That said, the "anyone but Trump" guys getting so roundly criticized here could very well have been me too if it had been Rubio/Bush/Christie/Kasich. I would not have cared who won the White House.....really. So it is merely by the chance that Trump is not an Establishment RINO that I'll vote for him. Future RINO voters be warned, my hiatus from them still stands! If Trump loses in November please do not take it as a confirmation that RINO's are the way to go and nominate one in 2020. If so I will proudly do my part by abstaining to see to it that the RINO loses (again).
I think Trump will be a great president. I love his style.
America has taken crap from every direction both internally and externally. Trump will do everything possible to change this.
He is the breath of fresh air we need.
Agreed. Unapologetic American. FU to Political Correctness. The only sane and robust strategy offered in decades. Plus he triggers SJW Leftists like a champ.
I would rather have my big toe cut off with a rusty, dull, saw blade, without anesthesia, than vote for Mrs. Bill Clinton.
#2 we can't afford one day of this witch in the white house. Crowder nailed it again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdMWpvvnk2Q
BoringGuy45
07-24-16, 15:26
Just doing my part to keep Hitlery out of the White House. No real other reason. He's not my first, second, or third choice from among the original GOP pool, but he's who we got.
Because not voting for him, is voting for her. No matter what.
I'll do all I can to ensure she isn't guaranteed the win.
Trump and Hillary are both anthrax. Trump is like eating it, Hillary is like inhaling it. Anthrax eaten could kill you, but probably wont. Anthrax inhaled will most likely kill you.
I voted #2...
Mortality of of cutaneous Anthrax is 20% with treatment; GI anthrax is 50%; inhalation is 50-80%. According to Trump supporters, we must support their nominee because the mortality of electing Hillary is approaches 100%.
Averageman
07-24-16, 16:46
I think the leaked e-mails were the icing on the cake.
She's avoided every scandal so far where She was guilty enough to have landed the average guy in jail or fired or in some cases both. The end result so far for her crimes has been Zero, She's walked, at this point to say She has been emboldened by these results is the worlds largest understatement.
Trump although not my first choice has accomplished two things, to gut the rotten corpse of the GOP and to have put the real fear of losing this election deep in to Hillary's heart.
I'm guessing She breaks down in to tears or goes for a bathroom break and returns several minutes late sometime during the first or second debate. She'll crack the first time She gets a hard lesson on "This aint Romney." at the hands of Trump.
I think the leaked e-mails were the icing on the cake.
She's avoided every scandal so far where She was guilty enough to have landed the average guy in jail or fired or in some cases both. The end result so far for her crimes has been Zero, She's walked, at this point to say She has been emboldened by these results is the worlds largest understatement.
Trump although not my first choice has accomplished two things, to gut the rotten corpse of the GOP and to have put the real fear of losing this election deep in to Hillary's heart.
I'm guessing She breaks down in to tears or goes for a bathroom break and returns several minutes late sometime during the first or second debate. She'll crack the first time She gets a hard lesson on "This aint Romney." at the hands of Trump.
Could you elaborate. From my perspective, not much has changed. Rance is still Party Chair, McConnell is still Majority Leader, Ryan is still Speaker, and Trump has aligned himself with most of the establishment players in Congress. It's not like Rand Paul is suddenly being consider for Majority Leader and Louie Gohmert is Speaker.
Because not voting for him, is voting for her. No matter what.
I'll do all I can to ensure she isn't guaranteed the win.
100%... I can't imagine how bad things would get with even one day of Hillary Clinton in the White House, let alone the eight years she'd manage. It would be nothing more than a tremendous expansion of the FSA to make sure a Democrat would always win. She could pass NOTHING but entitlements the first four years to guarantee a packed house, senate, and eventually Supreme Court as well. Game Over...
Averageman
07-24-16, 18:21
Could you elaborate. From my perspective, not much has changed. Rance is still Party Chair, McConnell is still Majority Leader, Ryan is still Speaker, and Trump has aligned himself with most of the establishment players in Congress. It's not like Rand Paul is suddenly being consider for Majority Leader and Louie Gohmert is Speaker.
I think that it is pretty clear those things wont change until/if he takes office.
I think anyone standing in his way after January 20th is going to have a hard time trying to play status quo without being called on it. A guy without a a filter isn't going to take the time to say, "Oh, Paul Ryan, yeah, he's on our side." Many if not most of these guys have opposed the very things Trump set as goals. I don't think he's got enough patience to take a lot of crap from those who've managed to entrench themselves in the bureaucracy and openly oppose his stated goals.
gunrunner505
07-24-16, 18:33
Just doing my part to keep Hitlery out of the White House. No real other reason. He's not my first, second, or third choice from among the original GOP pool, but he's who we got.
Pretty much sims it up.
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Trump is a accomplished business man and has run a company and had provided many jobs over the years . Hillary has been a criminal parasite of the taxpayer all her adult live. Not voting for Trump is a vote for Hillary and even the most stupid gun owners need to vote pro gun. Look at California most of the idiot gun owning voters, voted for governor Brown and they wonder why they are losing their gun rights,
Pretty much sims it up.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkA whole bunch of the RINO Republicans received big bucks from Muslims and their organizations . Be an informed voter not a stupid voter.
I would have voted for any of the 17 repups that ran before Hillary. Trump wasn't my first or tenth choice. Now there are only two and Hillary is no choice. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary. That is precisely how the serial rapist Bill got elected and don't anyone forget that.
A whole bunch of the RINO Republicans received big bucks from Muslims and their organizations . Be an informed voter not a stupid voter.
Are you perhaps inferring that because of that all of Hillary's Muslim donations are somehow pure?
I clicked other - voting for Johnson. Folks have said that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hilary, but I'm not buying it. I live in Kansas, which, judging by the last 4 elections is not a state likely to go Democrat.
In fact, from what I see there are only10 states where your vote really matters in that respect:
Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Virginia, Ohio – won twice by each party in the last 4 elections;
New Mexico, Iowa, New Hampshire – Democrats 3 of last 4 elections;
Indiana, North Carolina – Republican 3 of last 4 elections.
Stating the obvious - the real issues are the 24 Republican Senators up for re-election.
cause he seems to be pissing off and freaking out career politicians on both sides :)
and we cant have killary
also maybe some business person as I thought like Perot would be good in office run the country as a business not mom and dads credit card with no limit
I clicked other - voting for Johnson. Folks have said that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hilary, but I'm not buying it. I live in Kansas, which, judging by the last 4 elections is not a state likely to go Democrat.
In fact, from what I see there are only10 states where your vote really matters in that respect:
Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Virginia, Ohio – won twice by each party in the last 4 elections;
New Mexico, Iowa, New Hampshire – Democrats 3 of last 4 elections;
Indiana, North Carolina – Republican 3 of last 4 elections.
Stating the obvious - the real issues are the 24 Republican Senators up for re-election.
Unmmm sure?
So the presidential race doesn't matter unless your in those mentioned states? And the real issue is the congressional seats?
No the issue bigger than even who wins the election, is the the winner of the election is probably going to get to replace 3 Supreme Court justices 1 for sure. Anthony Kennedy is in his 80's and so is Ruth Ginsburg.
Screw losing congress is there is a far left majority on the SCOTUS for the next 30 years. That's where you should wanna see you vote count.
I'm not voting for anyone, I'm voting against Clinton. Early and Often.
ETA If someone wants to vote whatever else then you shouldn't dog them out. It's their vote.
Some people's vote may not go anywhere but some people are just sick of Nazi Republicans and Communist Democrats
Unmmm sure?
So the presidential race doesn't matter unless your in those mentioned states? And the real issue is the congressional seats?
No the issue bigger than even who wins the election, is the the winner of the election is probably going to get to replace 3 Supreme Court justices 1 for sure. Anthony Kennedy is in his 80's and so is Ruth Ginsburg.
Screw losing congress is there is a far left majority on the SCOTUS for the next 30 years. That's where you should wanna see you vote count.
Pretty sure. Who confirms the nominations? This is one thing that Trump doesn't seem to fully grasp - once elected he doesn't get to just make a hand motion and say 'make it so' on every issue. So I can best make MY vote count by electing to the Congress members who best match my outlook which I see as 'Compassionate Mongol.'
So, as I said, in Kansas, which has been Bright Red every election, save 1964, I feel pretty safe voting for the Libertarian Presidential Candidate.
ETA: I may have missed your point. The other states aside from those mentioned, are pretty firmly entrenched as far as red or blue. They are not likely to swing. There are actually more Republican states that Democratic states, unfortunately firmly Democratic states such as California, Washington, Michigan, New York, are not going to swing Republican this cycle, and they have more population thus more electoral votes.
MountainRaven
07-24-16, 23:57
Pretty sure. Who confirms the nominations? This is one thing that Trump doesn't seem to fully grasp - once elected he doesn't get to just make a hand motion and say 'make it so' on every issue. So I can best make MY vote count by electing to the Congress members who best match my outlook which I see as 'Compassionate Mongol.'
So, as I said, in Kansas, which has been Bright Red every election, save 1964, I feel pretty safe voting for the Libertarian Presidential Candidate.
ETA: I may have missed your point. The other states aside from those mentioned, are pretty firmly entrenched as far as red or blue. They are not likely to swing. There are actually more Republican states that Democratic states, unfortunately firmly Democratic states such as California, Washington, Michigan, New York, are not going to swing Republican this cycle, and they have more population thus more electoral votes.
Somebody gets it.
Vote your conscience, because your vote doesn't matter anyway (unless you live in Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Virginia, Ohio, New Mexico, Iowa, New Hampshire, Indiana, or North Carolina - in which case it might).
Only reason I voted for the RINO last time was because I already knew where all three of Montana's electoral votes were going. And I was right. And it wouldn't have mattered if I had voted for Obama or a Libertarian or Green candidate.
The elections that actually count, where your vote can make a difference are the local elections, state elections, and Congressional elections. Everything else is just political masturbation.
QuickStrike
07-25-16, 00:02
Because as big of an idiot as he is, he's still better than that scrotum faced hag...
I matters not how many people vote, or for who.
Who counts the votes, that is what matters.
After they spit right in our eye with the FBI white
wash.
You really think there will be free and fair elections?
This was decided long ago.
Phillygunguy
07-25-16, 05:49
Trump because
Hillary would be disaster
The scotus is at stake
If you wait for the perfect candidate, you probably won't live long enough to vote for them
I am voting for Trump for 2 reasons, first to keep the bitch out of the White House.
Second in hopes that he forces the Republicans to face the fact, the establishment in the party has killed the party.
Somebody gets it.
Vote your conscience, because your vote doesn't matter anyway (unless you live in Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Virginia, Ohio, New Mexico, Iowa, New Hampshire, Indiana, or North Carolina - in which case it might).
Only reason I voted for the RINO last time was because I already knew where all three of Montana's electoral votes were going. And I was right. And it wouldn't have mattered if I had voted for Obama or a Libertarian or Green candidate.
The elections that actually count, where your vote can make a difference are the local elections, state elections, and Congressional elections. Everything else is just political masturbation.
Somebody doesn't get it (and maybe it's me).
Bear with me for a minute.
In 2014, nearly 900 seats changed hands from Democrat to Republican nationwide. It was a historical change over and vote, by the people, to change what the Obama/Democratic machine was doing to the country. But what changed? On any vote that mattered, the Republican majority caved like the little bitches that they were and gave Obama everything he wanted: did nothing to change Obamacare, let Loretta Lynch get in as the AG, let the trade agreement go through, let Iran nuclear deal happen, let Obama get his nominee for leading Library of Congress appointed , gave up the power of the purse to put a halt on the Left's open borders immigration, healthcare debacle and over the top welfare growth, and I'm sure plenty more that I can't recall at the moment. We heard from that turd Boehner, over and over, that "we can't get the votes" to stop this or that or the other thing. Just rolled over and played dead for anything that came across the voting floor instead of at least standing up to try to fight and, at the very least, force the administration to explain itself and take more ownership of the constant failures of policy. Was I so focused on what we didn't get that I missed a bunch of good stuff for the American people?
So I feel that my vote for the local, state and congressional elections did nearly nothing. I do acknowledge, that it did, thankfully, have an effect on pro-gun/pro-2nd Amendment voting, so to that end, it acted as I had hoped to foil many more anti-gun attempts. But my point is that you need every possible position we can get in order to help bring us back from this disastrous last 7 years. If Trump even does 1/2, or even 1/3 of what he's proposing, it will be light years ahead of the 100%, surefire, no-doubt-about-it liberal onslaught that Hillary will bring with her to the position of POTUS.
I would assume that "vote your conscience" is code for "vote for Trump" as I can't imagine anyone who cares a bit for this country could possibly have their conscience tell them Hillary is right for the nation. And yes, voting for the third party is just the same as voting for Hillary as the third party candidate is just not a real choice. If you're not a Trump fan, which I really am not, "because he's not Hillary" should be enough for your conscience. However you might feel about Trump, it's just not worth taking the chance that Hillary gets to nominate even one judge to the SCOTUS is it?
Somebody doesn't get it (and maybe it's me).
To me 'voting my conscience' means not voting to harm the Nation. This election cycle both candidates, IMHO, will hurt America. My world-view is that Trump will be less damaging overall - solely because of the likelihood that the next President will likely be nominating several Supreme Court Justices, for sure one. The damage that Trump will do to America on the world stage will be more quickly repaired than will be the damage to America that appointing 'bad' Supreme Court Justices would entail.
That is it. Period.
If I thought there was the remotest chance that my state would swing blue without my vote for Trump, it would be cast for Trump. Even though you would be able to see the indentations from holding my nose for weeks after the election. If that is not the case, I'm voting Johnson.
If trump was a broken leg, hilldog would be a broken neck.....neither is good but one is a hell of a lot worse than the other...
If trump was a broken leg, hilldog would be a broken neck.....neither is good but one is a hell of a lot worse than the other...
Unless Hillary is just a spinous process fracture of C7 (Clay-shoveler's fracture) and Trump is a open, comminuted femur fracture. In that case, I'd take Hillary. ;)
I'm voting for Trump for one simple reason: to prevent Hillary from winning. She has no business even running for president, much less actually winning.
crusader377
07-25-16, 11:12
I'm voting for Trump because quite frankly Hillary is the most dangerous person ever to run for President of the United States.
Doc Safari
07-25-16, 11:20
Hillary is one notch above being the Devil himself. I would literally tolerate just about any candidate but her.
Unless Hillary is just a spinous process fracture of C7 (Clay-shoveler's fracture) and Trump is a open, comminuted femur fracture. In that case, I'd take Hillary. ;)
There's a reason I'm an engineer and not a doctor rofl :p
Hillary is one notch above being the Devil himself. I would literally tolerate just about any candidate but her.
A ticket consisting of OBL's soggy corpse and Kim Jong Un is pretty appealing next to Hillary....
brickboy240
07-25-16, 11:48
Hillary will continue the open borders runaway immigration and when the next mass shooting happens, it could very well bring forth an executive action that would end ARs and other semi-autos or require registration. Then there is the whole supreme court issue.
Those are the main reasons I will probably vote Trump.
I wonder, if Sanders got the nomination vs Trump, would the ~75% of people who are voted #2 then vote for Sanders?
Or is it less "anyone but Hillary" and more "tow the party line at all costs"?
Unless Hillary is just a spinous process fracture of C7 (Clay-shoveler's fracture) and Trump is a open, comminuted femur fracture. In that case, I'd take Hillary. ;)
Your in box is full. I was going for humor, nonetheless I'd be concerned that one of my amygdalae is misfiring.
eightmillimeter
07-25-16, 14:00
Let's go vote, do it and get it over with. I'm tired.
I'm voting for Donald J Trump for President for the following reasons:
1) He's not a liar
2) He's not an establishment RINO
3) He's not a Democrat
4) He's not Hillary Clinton
I'm really sick and tired of people who won't vote for him because of where he stood on the issues in the past and think he's some sort of wolf in hiding waiting to jump out of the bushes and confiscate guns and hand out free healthcare. We spend way too much time on forums, social media, family gatherings, ... making rational arguments in favor of conservatism that we all know liberals refuse to accept. If you spent 10 years convincing your mother in law to vote conservative but when she finally says she is you say she might as well vote D because she was one ten years ago... WTF.
I have no "point" to prove. I voted for Romney because he wasn't Barack Obama. I'm not mad about Romney and I don't need some reparation or something because the GOP put up an expensive dog and pony show.
My duty as an American and for my kids' future is to ensure that rotten bitch never sees public power again. This is it folks, full count, bases loaded, bottom of the ninth in a tied game. The Supreme Court is about to move significantly right (or left), terrorists and illegals are being imported like cheap Chinese waffle makers, and quite frankly we are going to need our guns for quite the foreseeable future so it'd be kind of nice to keep them and not lose them while fishing.
A vote for anyone other than Trump is a vote for the Bitch. There are no excuses.
I wonder if some states will secede if Hillary wins, like how some states seceded when Lincoln won.
I wonder if some states will secede if Hillary wins, like how some states seceded when Lincoln won.
Hillary can have Illinois, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, Massachusetts and California, leave the rest of us alone.
Edit: and any true Americans who don't fall for her lies Who live in those states should be offered free housing to relocate into a free America
In the spirit of the polls which ask who you're planning to vote for, here's one that asks why.
Why are you asking this question?
MountainRaven
07-25-16, 20:19
Why are you asking this question?
Because of something another poster said in another thread that got my brain running.
Why do you ask?
Hillary can have Illinois, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, Massachusetts and California, leave the rest of us alone.
Edit: and any true Americans who don't fall for her lies Who live in those states should be offered free housing to relocate into a free America
Are you going to be offering these refugees the use of your home?
Coal Dragger
07-25-16, 20:28
Two reasons:
1.) I hate the Clintons. Have since 1994 when I was only 15 years old.
2.) Electing Trump, in the extremely unlikely event he wins, will so enrage libtards, the media, and elitist DC area ****heads that many of them might have strokes. Which will be hilarious.
MountainRaven
07-25-16, 20:40
I wonder if some states will secede if Hillary wins, like how some states seceded when Lincoln won.
I doubt they have the testicular fortitude.
Maybe if UN election observers somehow get called in and call out ballot stuffing and other corruption that leads to a Hillary victory. Maybe if exit polls show Drumpf with a 10+ point lead over Hillary only for her to bag the election or something like the last half of this video where a hypothetical candidate gets 22% of the popular vote but still wins the electoral vote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k
Let's go vote, do it and get it over with. I'm tired.
I'm voting for Donald J Trump for President for the following reasons:
1) He's not a liar
2) He's not an establishment RINO
3) He's not a Democrat
4) He's not Hillary Clinton
I'm really sick and tired of people who won't vote for him because of where he stood on the issues in the past and think he's some sort of wolf in hiding waiting to jump out of the bushes and confiscate guns and hand out free healthcare. We spend way too much time on forums, social media, family gatherings, ... making rational arguments in favor of conservatism that we all know liberals refuse to accept. If you spent 10 years convincing your mother in law to vote conservative but when she finally says she is you say she might as well vote D because she was one ten years ago... WTF.
I have no "point" to prove. I voted for Romney because he wasn't Barack Obama. I'm not mad about Romney and I don't need some reparation or something because the GOP put up an expensive dog and pony show.
My duty as an American and for my kids' future is to ensure that rotten bitch never sees public power again. This is it folks, full count, bases loaded, bottom of the ninth in a tied game. The Supreme Court is about to move significantly right (or left), terrorists and illegals are being imported like cheap Chinese waffle makers, and quite frankly we are going to need our guns for quite the foreseeable future so it'd be kind of nice to keep them and not lose them while fishing.
A vote for anyone other than Trump is a vote for the Bitch. There are no excuses.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
brushy bill
07-25-16, 22:01
Here's why: I accidentally flipped over to the DNC Convention and it was like a train wreck. "Booker" was invoking God, all the while promoting a completely corrupt individual who has no issue with killing babies moments before birth. Leave God out of it if that is your stance (plus they tried to wreck Sanders over his alleged lack of religion, but how can they play that card?). Actually visualizing the number of people who support this campaign or a democratic socialist (who is also now supporting Hildebeest's campaign), was sickening. The domestic enemies are out in droves. Sad times indeed.
I really think an Atlas Shrugged period is in order. They want to take from the producers. Producers should leave or close shop and see if they can pick up the pieces.
BoringGuy45
07-26-16, 00:29
I'm really sick and tired of people who won't vote for him because of where he stood on the issues in the past and think he's some sort of wolf in hiding waiting to jump out of the bushes and confiscate guns and hand out free healthcare.
That's how the right wing is: You're either come out of your mother's womb with a gun in your hand and a Gadsden Flag as a birthmark, or with a bong in your hand and a peace sign as a birthmark. You can't change your mind about anything at all in your life; anyone who claims they did is a liar. And that's the M.O. in vetting political candidates, or rather ANYONE. Let's say someone came to this website and said that 20 years ago, they weren't into guns and they were actually supportive of the Clinton assault weapons ban. But then, they grew and learned, they made observations and changed their minds and now own AR-15s and loudly oppose gun control. I can guarantee about half the members of this website would answer "Bullshit! Not buying it; go back to Democratic Underground!" And if anyone told those guys to lighten up, the hardliners would respond that if there was a revolution, the people who defended this guy would be hanged as traitors as well. People do change their minds. I'm actually LESS trusting of politicians who claim to have had the same stance on an issue their entire lives.
MountainRaven
07-26-16, 00:39
That's how the right wing is: You're either come out of your mother's womb with a gun in your hand and a Gadsden Flag as a birthmark, or with a bong in your hand and a peace sign as a birthmark. You can't change your mind about anything at all in your life; anyone who claims they did is a liar. And that's the M.O. in vetting political candidates, or rather ANYONE. Let's say someone came to this website and said that 20 years ago, they weren't into guns and they were actually supportive of the Clinton assault weapons ban. But then, they grew and learned, they made observations and changed their minds and now own AR-15s and loudly oppose gun control. I can guarantee about half the members of this website would answer "Bullshit! Not buying it; go back to Democratic Underground!" And if anyone told those guys to lighten up, the hardliners would respond that if there was a revolution, the people who defended this guy would be hanged as traitors as well. People do change their minds. I'm actually LESS trusting of politicians who claim to have had the same stance on an issue their entire lives.
I'm not a hardliner. I'm not even especially right wing. I happily support people who change their minds.
But I don't trust politicians or salesmen. Both critters are two-faced snakes who cannot and should not be trusted any further than they can be thrown. The only thing you can trust is their track record - because you cannot tell whether they're lying now to make a sale or get elected or if they're one of those one-in-a-thousand honest politicians/salesmen. Drumpf may not be a politician, but he sure as hell is a salesman - and his record is clear: He'll play both sides to get whatever he wants.
And he's been playing the GOP's zombified corpse like a fiddle.
I'm voting for Trump because all the right people are worried about him becoming President.
That's how the right wing is: You're either come out of your mother's womb with a gun in your hand and a Gadsden Flag as a birthmark, or with a bong in your hand and a peace sign as a birthmark. You can't change your mind about anything at all in your life; anyone who claims they did is a liar. And that's the M.O. in vetting political candidates, or rather ANYONE. Let's say someone came to this website and said that 20 years ago, they weren't into guns and they were actually supportive of the Clinton assault weapons ban. But then, they grew and learned, they made observations and changed their minds and now own AR-15s and loudly oppose gun control. I can guarantee about half the members of this website would answer "Bullshit! Not buying it; go back to Democratic Underground!" And if anyone told those guys to lighten up, the hardliners would respond that if there was a revolution, the people who defended this guy would be hanged as traitors as well. People do change their minds. I'm actually LESS trusting of politicians who claim to have had the same stance on an issue their entire lives.
Never mind that Reagan was once a Democrat.
Unmmm sure?
So the presidential race doesn't matter unless your in those mentioned states? And the real issue is the congressional seats?
No the issue bigger than even who wins the election, is the the winner of the election is probably going to get to replace 3 Supreme Court justices 1 for sure. Anthony Kennedy is in his 80's and so is Ruth Ginsburg.
Screw losing congress is there is a far left majority on the SCOTUS for the next 30 years. That's where you should wanna see you vote count.
Not to praise Congress or Republicans too much, but the Republican held Congress is the primary reason why there is not a Federal AWB (or worse) today. It is absolutely critical that the Democrats don't gain control of Congress. Of course it's bad if Hillary becomes POTUS, but it is orders of magnitude worse if she has Congress.
I'd add Pennsylvania to 26 Inf's list....it is a critical and large state that makes things challenging for a Republican to win without. But yeah, those are the states where it matters. Outside of those, the outcome really isn't in question (except for the possibility that Trump creates new battleground states out of places like Georgia or Utah).
Two reasons:
1.) I hate the Clintons. Have since 1994 when I was only 15 years old.
2.) Electing Trump, in the extremely unlikely event he wins, will so enrage libtards, the media, and elitist DC area ****heads that many of them might have strokes. Which will be hilarious.
I used to think that but I'm not so sure now. He may actually pull it off.
Will be voting local only, though I have been a far right black man for a couple of decades now, I can in no way give my vote to Trump (and not for the reasons mentioned in this thread ) even though I" THINK" he is the" lesser of two evils".
The lack of American flags at last nights DNC convention and the Bernie Sanders supporters carrying Russian and Palestinian flags almost pushed me over the edge though!
😠😠😠
Eurodriver
07-26-16, 11:43
So many people give "Because I don't want HRC as President" as their reason for voting for Trump.
Troubling, no doubt.
Outlander Systems
07-26-16, 11:48
My choice wasn't there.
He's not a Centrist RINO.
So many people give "Because I don't want HRC as President" as their reason for voting for Trump.
Troubling, no doubt.
I was one of the guys wanting Trump to stay in just long enough to keep the GOPe from shoving one of their Godawful RINO's down our throats. Well Trump outlasted everyone, which is worse than getting a true conservative, but better than getting a GOPe RINO.
So I'm voting Trump because Hillary is the evil bitch queen from hell, but also because fvck the RINO GOPe too. Its a win-win and I'm not going to feel one bit sorry about it. If he winds up torpedoing the country, well Hillary shouldn't have been such an evil bitch and the GOPe shouldn't have been such greedy, selfish bastards! If this all goes South, a pox on both their houses, cause I sure as hell didn't cause this mess!:mad:
If he winds up torpedoing the country, well Hillary shouldn't have been such an evil bitch and the GOPe shouldn't have been such greedy, selfish bastards! If this all goes South, a pox on both their houses, cause I sure as hell didn't cause this mess!:mad:
Word.
Ron Paul should've happened.
Then we wouldn't be in this predicament
Outlander Systems
07-26-16, 21:06
A Ron Paul presidency would have indicated that we have a mature, responsible, Liberty-loving electorate...
...we don't.
Ron Paul should've happened.
Then we wouldn't be in this predicament
I'm voting for Trump because he is a tough, no nonsense guy who can get both feet in his mouth. He has worked hard and sacrificed much more than any Gold Star family, and assumably their son's or daughters who made the ultimate sacrifice.
Done had enough. If you are a veteran and voting for this buffoon you have my disdain.
A) he is the best shot at keeping hillary out.
B) everything is so jacked up about this country's government that I'm willing to gamble on the most unpredictable horse in the race.
I'm voting for Trump because he is a tough, no nonsense guy who can get both feet in his mouth. He has worked hard and sacrificed much more than any Gold Star family, and assumably their son's or daughters who made the ultimate sacrifice.
Done had enough. If you are a veteran and voting for this buffoon you have my disdain.
Wait, trump or Hillary is the buffoon?
ColtSeavers
07-30-16, 21:41
Wait, trump or Hillary is the buffoon?
Both.
But to break it down:
Hillary was actually on watch when Americans died and then lied about it.
or
Trump thinks he knows how tough it is to have military family and death.
So your choices are:
The thing that actually failed at it.
or
The guy that thinks he can handle it because he's been handling it.
As I understand it at least.
MountainRaven
07-30-16, 21:55
Both.
But to break it down:
Hillary was actually on watch when Americans died and then lied about it.
or
Trump thinks he knows how tough it is to have military family and death.
So your choices are:
The thing that actually failed at it.
or
The guy that thinks he can handle it because he's been handling it.
As I understand it at least.
Drumpf Junior was killed in Iraq or Afghanistan?
ColtSeavers
07-30-16, 21:59
Drumpf Junior was killed in Iraq or Afghanistan?
No, which is why I posted "Thinks he knows" regarding Trump Senior. I apologize if the italicized "Been handling it" at the end came across as anything other than sarcasm.
However, I do believe the assessment is still correct otherwise, proven failure vs potential failure.
I'm voting for Trump because he is a tough, no nonsense guy who can get both feet in his mouth. He has worked hard and sacrificed much more than any Gold Star family, and assumably their son's or daughters who made the ultimate sacrifice.
Done had enough. If you are a veteran and voting for this buffoon you have my disdain.
I was just talking to my wife about the relative character deficit in the candidates running for the WH this year. Ironically, our conversation was before Trump was called out by a Gold Star father at the DNC and then skewered by George Stephanapolous on the follow-up.
If we use military service as a measure of sacrifice, only Lindsay Graham and Rick Perry could check that box on the Republican side. Seventeen goddamn candidates and all the GOP could muster was a pilot who now struggles to remember his name on a debate stage, and a JAG officer who spends his spare time driving a van with tented windows that says "puppies and candy" on the side.
Jim Webb was able to check it with distinction (Navy Cross in Vietnam) on the democrat side, but he didn't stand a chance in a party that thinks all service members join just to make an ear necklace.
So, we are stuck choosing between a bitch who has disdane for the military, an asshole who couldn't go to Vietnam due to a raging case of heel spurrs, and a pothead who couldn't pass a MEPS piss test. No wonder 16% are voting for the meteor. I'm starting to feel a whole lot less sad for my country, and a lot more pissed off.
My main concern related to Clinton is that the damage she will do will be irreversible (appointment of activist liberal SCOTUS judges, gun control, universal gov health insurance, etc), whereas Trump's blunders will likely be reversible. I know what we are getting with Clinton, and that is massive corruption and a government that has proven it will not hold her accountable. I'm willing to give Trump a chance. Anything he does can be solved by the next administration. I believe Clinton's policies and beliefs will irreversibly change the course of this country for the negative. Would she potentially be better for the economy? Maybe. No way to tell, unless we could retrospectively compare parallel universes where each candidate is the victor. Will her policies and beliefs undercut the constitution, advance the "progressive" Statist agenda, with the end result being that we have diminished personal liberty, increased state control, and increased social welfare....where we are significantly diminished in the intent of the founders? I believe the answer to this is unequivocally "yes".
I truly wish there was a better candidate who could beat Hillary. But there sadly is not and the entire Clinton machine must be stopped.
I don't like Trump, but I'll vote for him. Only because of the SCOTUS appointments.
The Dems have proven to me, with the way they strong-armed the affordable care act onto us, that the 2nd amendment future is truly on the line now. I have no doubt that the first opportunity they have to scuttle it, they will do just that. Only the SCOTUS will stand in their way.
That truly is the only reason.
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ramairthree
07-31-16, 14:58
Plenty of guys here sat out a decade plus of opportunity to get their combat on while they went to classes instructed by former operators, grew cool beards, bought neat pants, kept their better paying job, and racked up NYC cop pensions higher than the retirement and VA pension of a retired service member combined.
So I think attacking the service records of politicians among a groups of guys that mostly sat it out, but all have strong 2A sentiment is counter productive. Being here should mean pro 2A. Some think non SOF non combat vets are pussies, some are black and white law and order, some are super pro any vet, some are pro any LE, some are anti the man, but for the most part we want to keep our guns, have less taxes, less government, etc.
I am voting trump.
Why?
Well, let's say I was a pilot in WWII.
My plane is shot to shit and I have to bail out.
I can eject third party. I will land in the middle of a barren ocean with zero chance of anyone finding me before I die of exposure or dehydration.
I am going to eject over land.
I will be captured and put in a POW camp period. There is no chance of evasion or escape.
My only two choices are to become a prisoner in a Japanese POW camp.
Or a German POW camp.
I don't want to be a POW.
But I will take my odds as an American WWII pilot in a German POW over the Japanese any day.
Trump is my German POW camp choice.
Canonshooter
07-31-16, 16:57
#2 as well.
FWIW, I have no military or LEO background. I turned 18 in 1972 when the lottery draft was in place - my number was high and I was not drafted.
My father was a staff sergeant in the Army Air Force in WW2, stationed in Burma. He assigned the crews for the daily missions over The Hump (http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1733.html) and suffered emotionally the rest of his life for those that never came back. He himself survived a runway crash in a C-47. His best friend (and my god father) was stationed in the Pacific on the USS Essex flying Curtiss Helldivers. He made it back too.
I have the utmost respect and appreciation for all who served.
Averageman
07-31-16, 17:31
Clearly we know where Hillary will lead us with SCOTUS appointments, more gun control, No control of the Border and more unvetted Islamist immigrants. We can count on more scandal the enrichment of the Clinton through the sale of State Secrets and a corrupt Justice Department and FBI. Face it we know that is FACT.
Trump wasn't my first choice, but we know he hates the entrenched RINO's as much as they hate him. He has clearly stated he will fight against more legislation that would harm our gun rights. He wants to control immigration and the border.
Clearly we don't know what Trump will do, but we do know down what path Hillary will lead us.
The only best choice of the two is Trump. I'm sorry that it is, but it is the reality of the situation.
SilverBullet432
07-31-16, 18:57
Accidentally voted for 1st choice. Meant 2cnd.
I hate Hillary and Trump (but Hillary by a wide margin more), voted other. I wanted Rand Paul or Jim Webb, I am heavily looking at Gary Johnson and so far I like what I see.
That's how the right wing is: You're either come out of your mother's womb with a gun in your hand and a Gadsden Flag as a birthmark, or with a bong in your hand and a peace sign as a birthmark. You can't change your mind about anything at all in your life; anyone who claims they did is a liar. And that's the M.O. in vetting political candidates, or rather ANYONE. Let's say someone came to this website and said that 20 years ago, they weren't into guns and they were actually supportive of the Clinton assault weapons ban. But then, they grew and learned, they made observations and changed their minds and now own AR-15s and loudly oppose gun control. I can guarantee about half the members of this website would answer "Bullshit! Not buying it; go back to Democratic Underground!" And if anyone told those guys to lighten up, the hardliners would respond that if there was a revolution, the people who defended this guy would be hanged as traitors as well. People do change their minds. I'm actually LESS trusting of politicians who claim to have had the same stance on an issue their entire lives.
Bingo.
Many hardcore conservatives used to be liberals. They've seen the other side and know it intimately. I am one of these.
I'm voting for Trump because all the right people are worried about him becoming President.
Also very well said. I've never seen such organized and frenzied hysteria against any candidate. You simply know he's on the right track even if you never heard a single word of his platform.
However his platform is the most solid I've ever seen in my lifetime.
Never mind that Reagan was once a Democrat.
Exactly.
I will add this:
Even IF you don't fancy Trump for your cuck principles, you STILL should vote Trump. It's simple game theory.
https://atlanticcenturion.wordpress.com/2016/01/23/the-utility-of-extremism/
Shoot for the moon. If you miss, you'll still have something.
Go in meek like a little bitch, and you will not only get nothing, but will lose everything, bit by bit.
Plenty of guys here sat out a decade plus of opportunity to get their combat on while they went to classes instructed by former operators, grew cool beards, bought neat pants, kept their better paying job, and racked up NYC cop pensions higher than the retirement and VA pension of a retired service member combined.
So I think attacking the service records of politicians among a groups of guys that mostly sat it out, but all have strong 2A sentiment is counter productive. Being here should mean pro 2A. Some think non SOF non combat vets are pussies, some are black and white law and order, some are super pro any vet, some are pro any LE, some are anti the man, but for the most part we want to keep our guns, have less taxes, less government, etc.
I am voting trump.
Why?
Well, let's say I was a pilot in WWII.
My plane is shot to shit and I have to bail out.
I can eject third party. I will land in the middle of a barren ocean with zero chance of anyone finding me before I die of exposure or dehydration.
I am going to eject over land.
I will be captured and put in a POW camp period. There is no chance of evasion or escape.
My only two choices are to become a prisoner in a Japanese POW camp.
Or a German POW camp.
I don't want to be a POW.
But I will take my odds as an American WWII pilot in a German POW over the Japanese any day.
Trump is my German POW camp choice.
To make your analogy work, you should add that those who choose capture will be anally raped daily, forced to orally pleasure the camp guards each night, and those who disobey will be made an example of with lighter fluid and a match.
Now you understand why some of us are choosing not to bail out, and instead enjoy the 30-second ride into the ground.
I'm voting for Trump because he is a tough, no nonsense guy who can get both feet in his mouth. He has worked hard and sacrificed much more than any Gold Star family, and assumably their son's or daughters who made the ultimate sacrifice.
Done had enough. If you are a veteran and voting for this buffoon you have my disdain.
What makes you think your disdain is of any interest or consequence to us? I'm voting for Johnson because I live in the ultimate red state. Everyone on the local gun forums could also vote Johnson and Trump will still beat Hillary by the widest margin in the nation.
But if I was in a purple state? Not just no but hell no! I'd vote for Trump twice if I could, just to keep Hillary out because she actively DESPISES the military. I might be embarrassed to say Trump was my CinC, but saying Hillary was my CinC? I can't imagine the combination of despair, revulsion and rage that would cause me. Having to walk past Obama's jug eared photo every day is bad enough, but having to walk past Hillary's condescending gaze every day for the next 4-8 years fills me with the kind of dread I just don't want to contemplate. :(
Bingo.
Many hardcore conservatives used to be liberals. They've seen the other side and know it intimately. I am one of these.
I'm actually pretty liberal in the correct usage of the word, especially when it comes to freedoms. The problem is most people who call themselves liberals are actually statists, socialists or communists or in the case of Hillary, a bitter, hateful old hag who represents more actual racism than could ever be attributed to Trump, was married to the guy who gave us our NAFTA economy problems that she claims she can fix, is so sexists she feels entitled to the presidency simply because she is the first person with a vagina to seek the position and see's anyone who stands in her way as a political enemy who must be feed to the wood chipper.
Trump may be guilty of saying what he is thinking without considering how it might sound and then be forced to offer complete qualifiers the following day, most of which get ignored by the media, but Hillary will say or do anything that gets her to her goal, and that goal isn't to do what is best for America, that goal is to do what is best for Hillary and America and everything in it are completely expendable with respect to that goal.
Trump may be guilty of saying what he is thinking without considering how it might sound and then be forced to offer complete qualifiers the following day, most of which get ignored by the media, but Hillary will say or do anything that gets her to her goal, and that goal isn't to do what is best for America, that goal is to do what is best for Hillary and America and everything in it are completely expendable with respect to that goal.
Actually, it takes 2 or 3 days of qualifiers before Trump finally gets it right. Let's use this latest dust up with the Khans as an example. Firsts, he suggests that the soldier's mother is not saying anything because she is being oppressed by the Muslim father. That was a retarded thing to say. Even by Trump standards, it a total douche move.
Then, he says that soldier's father had no right to attack him. That was also stupid. Strike two.
Finally, he comes out with the proper statement acknowledging the family's sacrifice and stating that he simply disagrees with their perspective. That was the correct answer that most people on this forum felt, and even a gorilla with Down Syndrome should be able to articulate. Instead, it took Trump 3 days...3 days.
Congratulations Donald. You turned what appeared to be a failed DNC into a success by seeming to go to war with a Gold Star family.
Don't worry Steyr, I'm sure the country will be fine as Trump takes a few practice swings, maybe a mulligan or two, if he makes it into the White House.
MountainRaven
08-01-16, 00:00
I heard the interview: Drumpf can't seem to stop sounding like a used car salesman.
All Hillary needs to do is to just keep on letting him talk and she'll waltz right into the White House.
Actually, it takes 2 or 3 days of qualifiers before Trump finally gets it right. Let's use this latest dust up with the Khans as an example. Firsts, he suggests that the soldier's mother is not saying anything because she is being oppressed by the Muslim father. That was a retarded thing to say. Even by Trump standards, it a total douche move.
Then, he says that soldier's father had no right to attack him. That was also stupid. Strike two.
Finally, he comes out with the proper statement acknowledging the family's sacrifice and stating that he simply disagrees with their perspective. That was the correct answer that most people on this forum felt, and even a gorilla with Down Syndrome should be able to articulate. Instead, it took Trump 3 days...3 days.
Congratulations Donald. You turned what appeared to be a failed DNC into a success by seeming to go to war with a Gold Star family.
Don't worry Steyr, I'm sure the country will be fine as Trump takes a few practice swings, maybe a mulligan or two, if he makes it into the White House.
Again, I'll take it over Hillary's scripted teleprompter any day. And to be honest, I'm thrilled that Trump doesn't see Muslim's as some kind of "untouchable" protected class. Wanna know what the Democrats aren't talking about? The fact that Khan was killed by Muslims.
And Muslims are creating a lot of other Gold Star families. The Khans took the time to criticize Trump, I haven't heard them criticize those who killed their son. I'd rather have Trump doubt their sincerity than feel like he's not allowed to use the "M" word.
To me the Khan's are just this elections Cindy Sheehan, using the death of their son to pimp politics. If "I have a dead son" is all it takes to impeach a candidates suitability, then Clinton and Obama both have much larger body counts.
You take issue with Trump questioning the Khans. How about Clinton claiming Trump is actually causing terrorism? How about suggestions by both her and Obama that Trumps views are causing people to join ISIS? As if those people would NOT be terrorists or joining terrorist groups if Trump always talked about how great Muslim are.
I don't give a damn what Trump says as long as he is elected. I know he is an egotistical buffoon.
However he might get things correct at least 30% of the time when he is CinC, where Hillary will be 100% wrong all the time.
Besides Trump might mess up and get impeached and the VP becomes CinC and then we got a more normal guy back in the oval office.
Again, I'll take it over Hillary's scripted teleprompter any day. And to be honest, I'm thrilled that Trump doesn't see Muslim's as some kind of "untouchable" protected class. Wanna know what the Democrats aren't talking about? The fact that Khan was killed by Muslims.
And Muslims are creating a lot of other Gold Star families. The Khans took the time to criticize Trump, I haven't heard them criticize those who killed their son. I'd rather have Trump doubt their sincerity than feel like he's not allowed to use the "M" word.
To me the Khan's are just this elections Cindy Sheehan, using the death of their son to pimp politics. If "I have a dead son" is all it takes to impeach a candidates suitability, then Clinton and Obama both have much larger body counts.
You take issue with Trump questioning the Khans. How about Clinton claiming Trump is actually causing terrorism? How about suggestions by both her and Obama that Trumps views are causing people to join ISIS? As if those people would NOT be terrorists or joining terrorist groups if Trump always talked about how great Muslim are.
Again, I'll take it over Hillary's scripted teleprompter any day. And to be honest, I'm thrilled that Trump doesn't see Muslim's as some kind of "untouchable" protected class. Wanna know what the Democrats aren't talking about? The fact that Khan was killed by Muslims.
And Muslims are creating a lot of other Gold Star families. The Khans took the time to criticize Trump, I haven't heard them criticize those who killed their son. I'd rather have Trump doubt their sincerity than feel like he's not allowed to use the "M" word.
To me the Khan's are just this elections Cindy Sheehan, using the death of their son to pimp politics. If "I have a dead son" is all it takes to impeach a candidates suitability, then Clinton and Obama both have much larger body counts.
You take issue with Trump questioning the Khans. How about Clinton claiming Trump is actually causing terrorism? How about suggestions by both her and Obama that Trumps views are causing people to join ISIS? As if those people would NOT be terrorists or joining terrorist groups if Trump always talked about how great Muslim are.
I'm not so sure that this issue still has religion at the epicenter. Well, perhaps it does for those who like to play the cultural identity politics game from either side of the equation. For those of us not voting for Trump or the jackal in a pants suit, this situation speaks volumes about both candidates approach to personal liberty, freedom of speech, and how they handle (or don't) criticism.
On one hand, you have Hillary's approach to the Benghazi mother who gave a blistering attack at the RNC. In classic Clinton fashion, the she sends out her minions in the media to discredit the attacker, but nobody directly involved in the campaign gets their hands dirty.
Trump, on the other hand, comes out telling the father he has no right to criticize him. Then, he goes after a Gold Star mother who never actually said anything. It's really quite remarkable given his previous statements on suing reporters who print what he thinks are false articles and religious criteria for immigrants - both examples of someone willing to play very loose and fast with the 1st Amendment.
I suppose voters have an excellent choice in statists this season: anti-1st vs 2nd Amendment. However, this is a gun forum so less all rally around the pro-gun statist, yhea...
ramairthree
08-01-16, 10:57
Yeah,
This is bad.
For those casting a vote third party,
Ask those that have
Been there done that with Perot.
Bernie knows if he went third party Hilliary would lose so he popped smoke.
The libertarians don't get it.
Cast your vote a someone that will ensure Hilliary wins
I am a dejected, cynical libertarian.
Only the tiniest minority of people in this country want freedom and big boy rules.
The majority want nobody to tell them what to do,
But their fellow taxpayers to foot the bill and the government to keep them safe doing it and clean up and pay for their messes.
BoringGuy45
08-01-16, 12:23
Only the tiniest minority of people in this country want freedom and big boy rules.
The majority want nobody to tell them what to do,
But their fellow taxpayers to foot the bill and the government to keep them safe doing it and clean up and pay for their messes.
I think the majority of the country wants freedom and big boy rules. Most people I know will rant and rave against government corruption, complain that taxes are too high, say that they're sick of 50 new things being declared racist or un-PC every day, that every kid getting a trophy creates a nation of spoiled brats, and that they're sick of black lives matter...then they follow up that they're voting for Hillary. Why? Because they simply swallow what the media says about Trump being worst than Caligula and Hitler combined. Hillary is reviled, but she is now considered by a slight majority as the lesser of two evils. Even many conservatives I know are either sitting out the election or voting for Hillary. Trump is portrayed as unhinged and immature. Frankly, he doesn't help that image with the fact that he feels the need to respond to every criticism with an insult of his own. True or not, that, plus his personal history and ego, have made a lot of people hesitant.
There's potentially 4-5 new SCOTUS picks over the next 4-8 years.
Do you want Hillary to pick them?
Averageman
08-01-16, 15:17
There's potentially 4-5 new SCOTUS picks over the next 4-8 years.
Do you want Hillary to pick them?
http://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2016/08/01/hillary-clinton-dont-want-reap/
She doesn't want to repeal your Second Amendment Rights, just regulate and control them.
Now think about that for a minute, that's a Lawyer and a Career Politician speaking and She believes She has the power to REPEAL your rights but graciously wont, She just wants to regulate and control them.
Gee, Thanks Hillary.
Do you want Hillary to pick them?
Do you want Trump to pick them?
Do you want Trump to pick them?
Those are the only realistic options at this point, so, yeah. Do you want guaranteed 7-2 losses for the next 40 years?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T575Pbo4eWM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T575Pbo4eWM
That was awesome!
That was awesome!
Concur. And actually great movie.
Do you want Trump to pick them?
Not just yes, but HELL yes! You'd have to be bat crap crazy to want Hillary to pick them, which is the ONLY option you have. So, which is it for you? You don't get a third option Koshinn, you just don't. :(
MountainRaven
08-01-16, 22:41
Not just yes, but HELL yes! You'd have to be bat crap crazy to want Hillary to pick them, which is the ONLY option you have. So, which is it for you? You don't get a third option Koshinn, you just don't. :(
You're so wrong, you could tell which way was up if you spat on your face.
:cray:
You're so wrong, you could tell which way was up if you spat on your face.
:cray:
We'll, it's trump or Hillary so I'm not sure what your getting at. A 3rd party candidate isn't going to happen soooo....
You're so wrong, you could tell which way was up if you spat on your face.
:cray:
I could? Your personal hatred of Trump notwithstanding, I'm not even infinitesimally wrong on any level whatsoever.
LOL, like I said, bat crap crazy.
Not just yes, but HELL yes! You'd have to be bat crap crazy to want Hillary to pick them, which is the ONLY option you have. So, which is it for you? You don't get a third option Koshinn, you just don't. :(
Do you only want Trump to pick them because you'd rather him than Hillary, or in a vacuum would you actually want Trump to nominate a SCOTUS member?
Averageman
08-02-16, 04:14
Look at what we got with a Bush SCOTUS appointee?
ramairthree
08-02-16, 08:02
I think the majority of the country wants freedom and big boy rules. Most people I know will rant and rave against government corruption, complain that taxes are too high, say that they're sick of 50 new things being declared racist or un-PC every day, that every kid getting a trophy creates a nation of spoiled brats, and that they're sick of black lives matter...then they follow up that they're voting for Hillary. Why? Because they simply swallow what the media says about Trump being worst than Caligula and Hitler combined. Hillary is reviled, but she is now considered by a slight majority as the lesser of two evils. Even many conservatives I know are either sitting out the election or voting for Hillary. Trump is portrayed as unhinged and immature. Frankly, he doesn't help that image with the fact that he feels the need to respond to every criticism with an insult of his own. True or not, that, plus his personal history and ego, have made a lot of people hesitant.
None of what you said has anything to do with big boy rules.
BoringGuy45
08-02-16, 08:44
None of what you said has anything to do with big boy rules.
What are big boy rules then?
ramairthree
08-02-16, 10:01
What are big boy rules then?
If you need to educate a disabled child for a fortune, you foot the bill, not your fellow tax payers.
The government does not foot the bill for medical costs.
Virtually nobody would be on disability.
Big boy rules mean you are very free from government intrusion,
But there are literally people dying in the streets.
Ambulances do not respond to overdoses.
People that want to commit suicide are not interfered with.
Your daughter that became a junkie and is dying of infection does not get medical care unless you pay for it.
People without jobs living on welfare don't get more money for more kids.
You can decide to opt out of SS taxes but if you don't have any money at retirement you can starve.
Chain smoking alcoholics with no job don't get a bunch of heart surgeries and dialysis treatments.
LE, etc budgets are cut way back.
Non citizens get nothing they do not pay for.
Etc, etc.
The reality is a ton of people want free health care, free college, free housing, etc.
A lot of people don't want to foot their bill.
But most of those people don't want losers dying in the streets and when the SHTF they want someone to bail them out.
They bought too much house, we're living beyond their means, lose their job..
Now it's time for years of unemployment.
The percentage of people that understand earning a scholarship or veterans benefits for college vs. those that just want it free gets less each year.
We are caught between a rock and a hard place of progressive liberals and Christians that can't conceive of just letting the junkie die or saying tough shit to the 911 call of someone's 417th trip to the hospital for suicidal ideation.
I don't want to play God and decide who lives or dies.
But I sure as hell don't like being enslaved to support others.
Add up all your federal and state income taxes.
Now how much on your gas.
Your sales taxes, property taxes, etc.
You are lucky if you actually get 25% of the money you earned free and clear.
Some of that is fine, you use the roads, etc.
But the reality is that all those taxes do not fully fund educating other people's kids, ambulances and LE that disproportionately go to non tax payers, section 8, Medicaid for people that disabled themselves, etc.
Added-
And all those taxes do not fund all the benefits to those already getting them.
It is all spent on deficit budgeting.
And more benefits are wanted for even more people.
And we actively seek new citizens fully knowing they will be a burden, or dangerous, etc.
I have already reached a point where I will not take any hours beyond my contractual obligation,
Unless as a personal favor to somebody,
Because 50% of it at that point goes to state and federal taxes and I don't feel like working for 50 cents on the dollar.
If I did not want to put a bunch of kids through college, add another shop/garage, lap sized pool, buy more adjacent land, have a gun and muscle car habit, I would pretty much have gone Galt by now.
Do you only want Trump to pick them because you'd rather him than Hillary, or in a theoretical fantasyland would you actually want Trump to nominate a SCOTUS member?
Fify. In that case, I'd want Rand Paul to pick them. Since that option doesn't exist in this or any other dimension, I pick Trump. Regardless, it's quite possible he'll pick better than either of the Bush's did. What's one more RINO in the mix, especially if said RINO is VERY anti-establishment. :confused:
I'll hold my nose and vote for Trump. Nothing he has said or done has even come close to all of the crap the Clintons have been involved in. From the Tyson Foods scandal and Bill Clinton allowing the Chinese to have US missile technology to Hillary green lighting the sale of Uranium One giving Russia control over US uranium in return for donations to the Clinton Foundation while she was SECSTATE. Their entire political careers have been nothing but "pay to play" scandals and will probably continue if she becomes POTUS. For all of Obama's bluster about Trump being "unqualified" (BTW, Obama was just as unqualified when he ran for president) Hillary is the one who has proven time and again that she'll sell out America for the right price.
I'll hold my nose and vote for Trump. Nothing he has said or done has even come close to all of the crap the Clintons have been involved in. From the Tyson Foods scandal and Bill Clinton allowing the Chinese to have US missile technology to Hillary green lighting the sale of Uranium One giving Russia control over US uranium in return for donations to the Clinton Foundation while she was SECSTATE. Their entire political careers have been nothing but "pay to play" scandals and will probably continue if she becomes POTUS. For all of Obama's bluster about Trump being "unqualified" (BTW, Obama was just as unqualified when he ran for president) Hillary is the one who has proven time and again that she'll sell out America for the ANY price.
FIFY.
Averageman
08-02-16, 19:02
As often as Trump says some stupid stuff, well multiply that by 4 and figure that's how often Bill Clinton is getting some strange an under age stuff and it's all good.
yeah thats integrity.
FIFY.
Actually, I'm pretty sure she only sells for premium top dollar. Look what she sells for by the hour on the blabbermouth circuit!
MountainRaven
08-02-16, 21:48
I'll hold my nose and vote for Trump. Nothing he has said or done has even come close to all of the crap the Clintons have been involved in. From the Tyson Foods scandal and Bill Clinton allowing the Chinese to have US missile technology to Hillary green lighting the sale of Uranium One giving Russia control over US uranium in return for donations to the Clinton Foundation while she was SECSTATE. Their entire political careers have been nothing but "pay to play" scandals and will probably continue if she becomes POTUS. For all of Obama's bluster about Trump being "unqualified" (BTW, Obama was just as unqualified when he ran for president) Hillary is the one who has proven time and again that she'll sell out America for the right price.
You don't think the guy who can't stop going bankrupt wouldn't?
You don't think the guy who can't stop going bankrupt wouldn't?
Perhaps, but the Clinton's have a 25 year head start on him!
Well it's official, today Obama declared Trump to be "Unfit to serve", I don't think there could be any better possible endorsement.
Actually, I'm pretty sure she only sells for premium top dollar. Look what she sells for by the hour on the blabbermouth circuit!
How much did Bill get to leave our guys hanging with their asses out in the wind in Somalia? Sometimes the Clintons screw this country over simply for fun.
Well it's official, today Obama declared Trump to be "Unfit to serve", I don't think there could be any better possible endorsement.
I thought that was amusing. He's a person who has constantly confused his position for actual competence
It's like in High School when everybody votes the fat girl for prom queen. Yeah she's technically prom queen but.....
I thought that was amusing. He's a person who has constantly confused his position for actual competence
It's like in High School when everybody votes the fat girl for prom queen. Yeah she's technically prom queen but.....
I almost died when he said something along the lines of "he lacks the qualifications" in addition to the "unfit" stuff. Right now if I voted for Trump for no other reason than to cause Obama some level of distress, that would be sufficient motivation to do so.
MountainRaven
08-03-16, 00:29
Well it's official, today Obama declared Trump to be "Unfit to serve", I don't think there could be any better possible endorsement.
He said that Hilliary was unfit to serve in 2008. So she's got a headstart on that "endorsement".
He said that Hilliary was unfit to serve in 2008. So she's got a headstart on that "endorsement".
Sounds like Hillary is your man.
Reluctantly going with Trump because an activist, leftist Supreme court for the coming decades would lead to either an all-controlling federal government or bloody revolt. Voting third party for POTUS with zero chance of success is a self indulgence too costly in this pivotal race.
Geez, I work a night shift and wake up this afternoon to news reports that Trump's family is planning an intervention with Newt and Rudy, the GOP is making contengencies if Trump decides to drop out, and some GOP officials wondering how Trump might be replaced.
Good luck with that intervention - I'm sure that it will be well received.
So NBC reports that one unnamed source supposedly called the meeting an "intervention" and the term spreads all over. If Hillary were meeting with her closest advisors and party bigwigs it would be referred to as a strategy session. Talk about unfounded inference!
Just like the "Russian" hackers being directed by Putin at the behest of Trump, the media have full stop abandoned any pretense at journalism and are now reporting innuendo and speculation as "news".
brickboy240
08-03-16, 15:21
Every day it is a new attack or slanted speculation about Trump. It has gotten to where it is hard to even watch any news programs anymore.
ColtSeavers
08-03-16, 15:32
Just like the "Russian" hackers being directed by Putin at the behest of Trump, the media have full stop abandoned any pretense at journalism and are now reporting innuendo and speculation as "news".
I love how they all now have 'computer people' in the background surfing twitter, facebook and other social media for 'news' and sometimes go running up to a random 'computer person' for some breaking instagram post or some crap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-SieCU11r4
I'm actually pretty liberal in the correct usage of the word, especially when it comes to freedoms. The problem is most people who call themselves liberals are actually statists, socialists or communists or in the case of Hillary, a bitter, hateful old hag who represents more actual racism than could ever be attributed to Trump, was married to the guy who gave us our NAFTA economy problems that she claims she can fix, is so sexists she feels entitled to the presidency simply because she is the first person with a vagina to seek the position and see's anyone who stands in her way as a political enemy who must be feed to the wood chipper.
Trump may be guilty of saying what he is thinking without considering how it might sound and then be forced to offer complete qualifiers the following day, most of which get ignored by the media, but Hillary will say or do anything that gets her to her goal, and that goal isn't to do what is best for America, that goal is to do what is best for Hillary and America and everything in it are completely expendable with respect to that goal.
Correct, OK.
Progressives have stolen the word liberal to mean Marxist anti-white anti-Western pro-Muslim treason, when in fact its the exact opposite.
I'm not so sure that this issue still has religion at the epicenter. Well, perhaps it does for those who like to play the cultural identity politics game from either side of the equation. For those of us not voting for Trump or the jackal in a pants suit, this situation speaks volumes about both candidates approach to personal liberty, freedom of speech, and how they handle (or don't) criticism.
On one hand, you have Hillary's approach to the Benghazi mother who gave a blistering attack at the RNC. In classic Clinton fashion, the she sends out her minions in the media to discredit the attacker, but nobody directly involved in the campaign gets their hands dirty.
Trump, on the other hand, comes out telling the father he has no right to criticize him. Then, he goes after a Gold Star mother who never actually said anything. It's really quite remarkable given his previous statements on suing reporters who print what he thinks are false articles and religious criteria for immigrants - both examples of someone willing to play very loose and fast with the 1st Amendment.
I suppose voters have an excellent choice in statists this season: anti-1st vs 2nd Amendment. However, this is a gun forum so less all rally around the pro-gun statist, yhea...
Cultural identity is important. America (and its freedoms) is a direct byproduct of Western (particularly Anglo) European culture, philosophy, history, etc.
Yeah,
This is bad.
For those casting a vote third party,
Ask those that have
Been there done that with Perot.
Bernie knows if he went third party Hilliary would lose so he popped smoke.
The libertarians don't get it.
Cast your vote a someone that will ensure Hilliary wins
I am a dejected, cynical libertarian.
Only the tiniest minority of people in this country want freedom and big boy rules.
The majority want nobody to tell them what to do,
But their fellow taxpayers to foot the bill and the government to keep them safe doing it and clean up and pay for their messes.
I am a libertarian at heart who realizes that libertarianism is impossible without a population who values freedom. That means importing millions of people from cultures where corruption, collectivism, etc. reign supreme is incompatible with liberty.
Subsidizing immigration of people who want gibs and whose primary loyalty is to their country/culture of origin is simply insane.
I think the majority of the country wants freedom and big boy rules. Most people I know will rant and rave against government corruption, complain that taxes are too high, say that they're sick of 50 new things being declared racist or un-PC every day, that every kid getting a trophy creates a nation of spoiled brats, and that they're sick of black lives matter...then they follow up that they're voting for Hillary. Why? Because they simply swallow what the media says about Trump being worst than Caligula and Hitler combined. Hillary is reviled, but she is now considered by a slight majority as the lesser of two evils. Even many conservatives I know are either sitting out the election or voting for Hillary. Trump is portrayed as unhinged and immature. Frankly, he doesn't help that image with the fact that he feels the need to respond to every criticism with an insult of his own. True or not, that, plus his personal history and ego, have made a lot of people hesitant.
What?? Most people want freedom for themselves, but that is totally difference than freedom in general. They want nobody telling them what to do but they love their gibs, telling others what to do, freebies, etc.
If you need to educate a disabled child for a fortune, you foot the bill, not your fellow tax payers.
The government does not foot the bill for medical costs.
Virtually nobody would be on disability.
Big boy rules mean you are very free from government intrusion,
But there are literally people dying in the streets.
Ambulances do not respond to overdoses.
People that want to commit suicide are not interfered with.
Your daughter that became a junkie and is dying of infection does not get medical care unless you pay for it.
People without jobs living on welfare don't get more money for more kids.
You can decide to opt out of SS taxes but if you don't have any money at retirement you can starve.
Chain smoking alcoholics with no job don't get a bunch of heart surgeries and dialysis treatments.
LE, etc budgets are cut way back.
Non citizens get nothing they do not pay for.
Etc, etc.
The reality is a ton of people want free health care, free college, free housing, etc.
A lot of people don't want to foot their bill.
But most of those people don't want losers dying in the streets and when the SHTF they want someone to bail them out.
They bought too much house, we're living beyond their means, lose their job..
Now it's time for years of unemployment.
The percentage of people that understand earning a scholarship or veterans benefits for college vs. those that just want it free gets less each year.
We are caught between a rock and a hard place of progressive liberals and Christians that can't conceive of just letting the junkie die or saying tough shit to the 911 call of someone's 417th trip to the hospital for suicidal ideation.
I don't want to play God and decide who lives or dies.
But I sure as hell don't like being enslaved to support others.
Add up all your federal and state income taxes.
Now how much on your gas.
Your sales taxes, property taxes, etc.
You are lucky if you actually get 25% of the money you earned free and clear.
Some of that is fine, you use the roads, etc.
But the reality is that all those taxes do not fully fund educating other people's kids, ambulances and LE that disproportionately go to non tax payers, section 8, Medicaid for people that disabled themselves, etc.
Added-
And all those taxes do not fund all the benefits to those already getting them.
It is all spent on deficit budgeting.
And more benefits are wanted for even more people.
And we actively seek new citizens fully knowing they will be a burden, or dangerous, etc.
I have already reached a point where I will not take any hours beyond my contractual obligation,
Unless as a personal favor to somebody,
Because 50% of it at that point goes to state and federal taxes and I don't feel like working for 50 cents on the dollar.
If I did not want to put a bunch of kids through college, add another shop/garage, lap sized pool, buy more adjacent land, have a gun and muscle car habit, I would pretty much have gone Galt by now.
Bingo. Well said.
All of you experts on here want the benefits and recreational opportunities of owning a firearm, but won't do a ****ing thing to preserve your right to own guns.
I wonder how many of you voted for Obama then got caught up in the panics needing to order gun stuff at the last minute?
I go through this topic and I see atleast 50% of posters can't get on board with the Trump program. Too busy coming up with "rational" as to why you can't vote for him?
60% of people that buy stuff through gunbroker from me are morons buying at the 11th hour of the Obama/Hillary era.
BoringGuy45
08-03-16, 20:40
What?? Most people want freedom for themselves, but that is totally difference than freedom in general. They want nobody telling them what to do but they love their gibs, telling others what to do, freebies, etc.
Leftists? Yes. Your average Middle American? They want what most conservatives want: The government to stop intruding on every aspect of our lives. They don't want the government to tell anyone how to live. The average person is not on welfare or accepting handouts, and they resent that their hard earned money is going towards such people. The problem is that the average person, on all sides of the political spectrum, just doesn't think deep enough, accepts everything they hear, and has a very short term memory. Probably about 95% of the mass media and academia is controlled directly by the Democratic party all but officially. So the average person is just going to agree with what they hear, which is how Hitler has nothing on Trump. This is why this race is even a contest. It's also why Trump can still win: If he can find it within himself to stop these stupid high school girl insult wars with every liberal idiot who says his name, that garbage will be forgotten in a month or two.
All of you experts on here want the benefits and recreational opportunities of owning a firearm, but won't do a ****ing thing to preserve your right to own guns.
I wonder how many of you voted for Obama then got caught up in the panics needing to order gun stuff at the last minute?
I go through this topic and I see atleast 50% of posters can't get on board with the Trump program. Too busy coming up with "rational" as to why you can't vote for him?
60% of people that buy stuff through gunbroker from me are morons buying at the 11th hour of the Obama/Hillary era.
Hilariously, they're the exact same people who would be incredulous at any of us, if we didn't want to vote for some GOP establishment mutt who wasn't any more conservative than Trump.
MountainRaven
08-03-16, 21:13
My favorite part about this thread is how some people like to post as though other posters in the thread aren't posting in the thread.
If you need to educate a disabled child for a fortune, you foot the bill, not your fellow tax payers.
The government does not foot the bill for medical costs.
Virtually nobody would be on disability.
Big boy rules mean you are very free from government intrusion,
But there are literally people dying in the streets.
Ambulances do not respond to overdoses.
People that want to commit suicide are not interfered with.
Your daughter that became a junkie and is dying of infection does not get medical care unless you pay for it.
People without jobs living on welfare don't get more money for more kids.
You can decide to opt out of SS taxes but if you don't have any money at retirement you can starve.
Chain smoking alcoholics with no job don't get a bunch of heart surgeries and dialysis treatments.
LE, etc budgets are cut way back.
Non citizens get nothing they do not pay for.
Etc, etc.
The reality is a ton of people want free health care, free college, free housing, etc.
A lot of people don't want to foot their bill.
But most of those people don't want losers dying in the streets and when the SHTF they want someone to bail them out.
They bought too much house, we're living beyond their means, lose their job..
Now it's time for years of unemployment.
The percentage of people that understand earning a scholarship or veterans benefits for college vs. those that just want it free gets less each year.
We are caught between a rock and a hard place of progressive liberals and Christians that can't conceive of just letting the junkie die or saying tough shit to the 911 call of someone's 417th trip to the hospital for suicidal ideation.
I don't want to play God and decide who lives or dies.
But I sure as hell don't like being enslaved to support others.
Add up all your federal and state income taxes.
Now how much on your gas.
Your sales taxes, property taxes, etc.
You are lucky if you actually get 25% of the money you earned free and clear.
Some of that is fine, you use the roads, etc.
But the reality is that all those taxes do not fully fund educating other people's kids, ambulances and LE that disproportionately go to non tax payers, section 8, Medicaid for people that disabled themselves, etc.
Added-
And all those taxes do not fund all the benefits to those already getting them.
It is all spent on deficit budgeting.
And more benefits are wanted for even more people.
And we actively seek new citizens fully knowing they will be a burden, or dangerous, etc.
I have already reached a point where I will not take any hours beyond my contractual obligation,
Unless as a personal favor to somebody,
Because 50% of it at that point goes to state and federal taxes and I don't feel like working for 50 cents on the dollar.
If I did not want to put a bunch of kids through college, add another shop/garage, lap sized pool, buy more adjacent land, have a gun and muscle car habit, I would pretty much have gone Galt by now.
Let the strong survive I say.
We've passed a point of no return though and we will never again see the general level of freedoms enjoyed in our country's past. By today's standards much of the 19th century would seem like anarchy.
It's kind of weird how you change as you get holder. Coming out of high school I was pretty hardcore right wing but in the years since I have been out of the military I get to be more and more libertarian/borderline anarchist by the year as I get more and more "life" under my belt.
I didn't vote for McCain or Romney (my anti-Romney posting got be banned on TOS) and won't vote for Trump. I don't trust this guy for ONE second in regards to anything in the Bill of Rights let alone the 2nd amendment.
Whole lotta stereotypling of Christians here. Like any other large demographic of Americans we are divided into red, blue and purple. I quit the Lutheran church when their national leadership went totally Progressive. Those calling themselves Catholic range from Marxist Liberationists to old fashioned types as conservative as any on this forum. The home schooling movement is huge and mostly Christians who want socialist gov out of their lives. I don't know the numbers, but independent evangelical churches are the fastest growing sects and the majority are for less intrusive government and opposed to taking from Peter to give to Paul. You will not find stronger advocates for self sufficiency. Voluntary church programs to help people change their lives are not at all like the government schemes that keep large numbers dependent on the state's largesse.
ramairthree
08-04-16, 10:12
Yes,
I use a wide brush and basically say old school Christian and pansy Christians.
There has always been a wide variety,
And I am not lumping all into one group.
Our Republic,
Despite me only being seen at church for a wedding, funeral, etc.
Was built upon Western European culture and Christian morals.
Freedom of religion meant you did not have to belong to the Church of America official government religion and could do whatever branch of Christianity you wanted or not go to church.
It was not intended nor can it withstand moral relativity, cultural diversity, sharia edicts, etc.
Whole lotta stereotypling of Christians here. Like any other large demographic of Americans we are divided into red, blue and purple. I quit the Lutheran church when their national leadership went totally Progressive. Those calling themselves Catholic range from Marxist Liberationists to old fashioned types as conservative as any on this forum. The home schooling movement is huge and mostly Christians who want socialist gov out of their lives. I don't know the numbers, but independent evangelical churches are the fastest growing sects and the majority are for less intrusive government and opposed to taking from Peter to give to Paul. You will not find stronger advocates for self sufficiency. Voluntary church programs to help people change their lives are not at all like the government schemes that keep large numbers dependent on the state's largesse.
I've noticed that about home schooling. I'm not very religious at all but believe in very strong morals anyway without a book forcing them on me and we will be homeschooling our children and noticing all the other parents you can "network with" are definitely doing it for religious purposes. This is fine by me because firstly, their morals largely align with my own and secondly I am pleased to see people exercise their freedoms and in this day and age it is "cool" to promote deviant behavior (homosexuality and "transgender" being forced on kids) while condemning anyone that openly professes their faith.
Now there are some Christians that can bother me---the closeminded "earth is 2000 years old, no man from apes" types and pushy ones that want to convert you will often result in me shouting them down when they don't listen but I don't encounter them often. Muslims, Mormons and JWs usually elicit a hostile response from me though.
I'm not voting for Trump, I'm voting against Hillary.
Whiskey_Bravo
08-04-16, 13:44
I'm not voting for Trump, I'm voting against Hillary.
Truth.
brickboy240
08-05-16, 10:11
Truth.
As awful as Trump might be, Hillary will still do more damage to America than Trump.
I'm not voting for Trump, I'm voting against Hillary.
As a retired Army Officer, I look at politics like I would any military campaign. You can fight on a tactical level or you can fight strategically. Tactically in the political realm is a close to home, personal belief system vote. Strategically looks at the larger picture, using Trump to achieve your end goal, even if you don't really care for the guy. I'm voting for Trump as a strategic vote.
BoringGuy45
08-05-16, 12:20
I'm with you, OH58D. Unfortunately, most people in the party have chosen the tactical fight instead of a strategic fight. So we're left to use their tactical choice for our strategic vote.
The tactical fight is the reason we're in the position we're in. And it's because the left fought a strategic war that they have been winning. They were willing to start as an insurgency until they could gain enough strength and support to fight an overt, conventional war. They took what they could when they could, with the goal being that at some point, they would get everything they want. Now, they've got the right backed into the corner. The thing is, the left has their flanks exposed and there have been MANY opportunities to turn the tables, but they know that the right won't fight any battle except an all out assault on center of the enemy's front lines, followed by a march to the left's capital city. Anything less than an all out overt assault is considered compromise or, even worse, treasonous. If today's conservatives were in charge of fighting WWII, the North Africa campaign and Pacific Island hopping would have been considered compromise, and the leaders promoting that campaign would be labeled sellouts and cuckolds unless they stopped these half measures just march directly on Tokyo and Berlin already.
That's the problem. The GOP picked a guy that pretty much everyone knew is going to lose because they're more concerned to sticking to their own leadership than they are about actually taking small steps towards getting the country on a better track. I'm voting for Trump on the off chance that he might win, but frankly, if I'm going to be holding my nose to vote again, I would rather it be someone who had a chance. I didn't like Jeb, Rubio, or Kasich, but they would be a near shoe-in to win this election and secure at LEAST a continuation of a moderate to right-of-center Supreme Court. Hillary should be easily beatable given how hated she is. But somehow, the GOP voters managed to pick the one guy capable of being more obnoxious and more hated than her!
I'm with you, OH58D. Unfortunately, most people in the party have chosen the tactical fight instead of a strategic fight. So we're left to use their tactical choice for our strategic vote.
That's the problem with one issue voters. If the GOP candidate is pro gun, but leans towards a softer approach on the Gay and Transgender issues, that's a non-starter for the one issue voter. To be honest, I don't care for Gay or Transgender issues, but I'll look at the big picture and vote that way.
brickboy240
08-05-16, 14:20
Maybe the question to be asked is not "why are you voting for Trump?" but "why are you not willing to do everything to keep Hillary Clinton from the Oval Office?"
...everything.
BoringGuy45
08-05-16, 14:58
That's the problem with one issue voters. If the GOP candidate is pro gun, but leans towards a softer approach on the Gay and Transgender issues, that's a non-starter for the one issue voter. To be honest, I don't care for Gay or Transgender issues, but I'll look at the big picture and vote that way.
I'm a bit of a one issue voter, in that support for ANY kind of gun ban is a killer for me, even if I agree on 99% of the other issues. I'll give a pass if we disagree on minor things involving guns, but any kind of ban or curtailing of freedom is a deal breaker. But the reason is because it goes beyond that. Anyone who supports curtailing our most basic, primitive right, that is, the right to have all the tools we deem necessary to defend ourselves, has no problem trampling on the other rights. However, I also wouldn't support a guy who has no problem fiddling while the country burns just because he lets me keep my ARs.
The_War_Wagon
08-05-16, 16:21
Because NOT Hitlery.
More absurdity from the left.
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/trump-with-nuclear-codes-terrifying-737794627825
Yes, they are ACTUALLY suggesting Trump might use nuclear weapons in retaliation to an insult or negative tweet. They actually mentioned this on the evening news as well.
It is frightening, frightening that there are people stupid enough to believe this and even more frightening that millions of people consider Clinton in control of our nuclear arsenal to be a much safer option.
MountainRaven
08-05-16, 21:44
I'm with you, OH58D. Unfortunately, most people in the party have chosen the tactical fight instead of a strategic fight. So we're left to use their tactical choice for our strategic vote.
The tactical fight is the reason we're in the position we're in. And it's because the left fought a strategic war that they have been winning. They were willing to start as an insurgency until they could gain enough strength and support to fight an overt, conventional war. They took what they could when they could, with the goal being that at some point, they would get everything they want. Now, they've got the right backed into the corner. The thing is, the left has their flanks exposed and there have been MANY opportunities to turn the tables, but they know that the right won't fight any battle except an all out assault on center of the enemy's front lines, followed by a march to the left's capital city. Anything less than an all out overt assault is considered compromise or, even worse, treasonous. If today's conservatives were in charge of fighting WWII, the North Africa campaign and Pacific Island hopping would have been considered compromise, and the leaders promoting that campaign would be labeled sellouts and cuckolds unless they stopped these half measures just march directly on Tokyo and Berlin already.
That's the problem. The GOP picked a guy that pretty much everyone knew is going to lose because they're more concerned to sticking to their own leadership than they are about actually taking small steps towards getting the country on a better track. I'm voting for Trump on the off chance that he might win, but frankly, if I'm going to be holding my nose to vote again, I would rather it be someone who had a chance. I didn't like Jeb, Rubio, or Kasich, but they would be a near shoe-in to win this election and secure at LEAST a continuation of a moderate to right-of-center Supreme Court. Hillary should be easily beatable given how hated she is. But somehow, the GOP voters managed to pick the one guy capable of being more obnoxious and more hated than her!
Funny story, the American generals - including Eisenhower - in the ETO wanted to launch an invasion of Europe across the English Channel as early as 1943 (even the American generals had to admit that there was insufficient materiél for a cross-channel invasion in the Summer of 1942 and if they don't cross in Summer, you don't cross at all), while the Brits lobbied hard for the North African campaign and OP Torch. Allied strategy meetings frequently broke down between the Brits and Americans because of this, the Americans thought that any invasion of North Africa would be a waste of resources that could be better expended by landing in Denmark or France and driving straight for Berlin, while the Brits were more circumspect about it. Ultimately, Churchill had to prevail on FDR to basically order the American generals to go along with the British plan to invade North Africa.
Arguing that conservatives cannot or will not fight a political insurgency against liberals is a silly postulation, given that conservatives in many states have been trying to make abortion as illegal as possible without violating Roe v. Wade since, well, Roe v. Wade, and have been largely successful in those states (until recently, when many of those laws have gone before federal judges who have struck them down).
Maybe the question to be asked is not "why are you voting for Trump?" but "why are you not willing to do everything to keep Hillary Clinton from the Oval Office?"
...everything.
Do you find yourself perusing the surplus firearms circuit looking for Carcanos?
I really don't get the fear of Trump among non-establishment, non-cronies up, sleaze all Cons. Trump terrifies the Left for obvious reasons (wanting to make America something other than a doormat for the Third World) and the establishment because they are cucks and for threatening their grasp on their gig as pretend charade opponents against the Left.
But regular conservatives have really bought into the media's lies and narratives. For each one of Trump's supposed gaffes, it turns out that he was right on point, trolling the Left effectively and accurately.
His foreign policy is sound and shrewd. Domestically as well. He wants to enforce laws, stop selling out the country, end the ducking to the left, deal with Islam as needed. What's not to like?
On top of that he's not in the pocket of big business, the Saudis, and he's not a career politician who needs to be elected to make money. Clean out the sand from your vaginas and get out there and do your duty.
BoringGuy45
08-06-16, 09:59
I really don't get the fear of Trump among non-establishment, non-cronies up, sleaze all Cons. Trump terrifies the Left for obvious reasons (wanting to make America something other than a doormat for the Third World) and the establishment because they are cucks and for threatening their grasp on their gig as pretend charade opponents against the Left.
But regular conservatives have really bought into the media's lies and narratives. For each one of Trump's supposed gaffes, it turns out that he was right on point, trolling the Left effectively and accurately.
His foreign policy is sound and shrewd. Domestically as well. He wants to enforce laws, stop selling out the country, end the ducking to the left, deal with Islam as needed. What's not to like?
On top of that he's not in the pocket of big business, the Saudis, and he's not a career politician who needs to be elected to make money. Clean out the sand from your vaginas and get out there and do your duty.
The leftist media was going characterize ANY GOP candidate, whether it was Trump, Cruz, Bush, Christie, or Kasich as the most extreme right winger to ever run for president in the history of the United States, and would make David Duke look like Bernie Sanders. Hillary and Trump could decide right now to trade parties, and without either one changing a single point of view, Hillary would suddenly become a dangerous right winger and Trump would be declared the messiah of the left.
I agree that a lot of conservatives have bought into the media's anti-Trump push for the wrong reasons. However, there are many conservatives who do have genuine concerns about him:
-He's possibly (maybe even probably) full of shit, and will turn out to be the same RINO GOP primary voters were voting against at best, and a liberal wolf in sheep's clothing at worst.
-He won't know what the hell he's doing.
-He's immature. Now, the media is being ridiculous when the say things like he'll literally nuke the country of a leader that insults him. But the fact that he can't resist the temptation to get into Facebook and Twitter insult wars is disconcerting. On top of this, not only does he turn into a high school girl when people call him out, he goes for personal insults rather than responding with calm logic and reason.
The last one is one of the biggest reasons why conservatives are either sitting out, voting for Johnson, or even voting for Hillary. Even among left-of-center people I know, many have conceded that a lot of what Trump is pushing for is actually good. But his temperament is worrying a lot of people. Now, I know that Hillary is just as bad, and more likely worse. Almost universally, everyone who has met her says that she is even more temperamental and immature than Trump when the cameras and microphones are off. And, of course, anyone who tries to spill that to the public ends up dead of a "heart attack" "car accident" "robbery gone bad" or "tragically falling down the stairs onto some bullets". And of course, the media would ignore it anyway. But the fact is, at least she has the discernment to not take her idiocy to social media, so the general public has a (false) picture of her as coolheaded, whereas Trump shows himself to be hotheaded.
The American public has a memory so short that it's like the Men in Black follow everyone around and neuralize them every five minutes. If Trump could find it somewhere in his heart to shut the **** up for once in his life, he might see a change in public opinion towards him in the next few months.
I really don't get the fear of Trump among non-establishment, non-cronies up, sleaze all Cons. Trump terrifies the Left for obvious reasons (wanting to make America something other than a doormat for the Third World) and the establishment because they are cucks and for threatening their grasp on their gig as pretend charade opponents against the Left.
But regular conservatives have really bought into the media's lies and narratives. For each one of Trump's supposed gaffes, it turns out that he was right on point, trolling the Left effectively and accurately.
His foreign policy is sound and shrewd. Domestically as well. He wants to enforce laws, stop selling out the country, end the ducking to the left, deal with Islam as needed. What's not to like?
On top of that he's not in the pocket of big business, the Saudis, and he's not a career politician who needs to be elected to make money. Clean out the sand from your vaginas and get out there and do your duty.
I'm sure he's a huge fan of the Patriot Act as well and would never trample on anything in the Bill of Rights.
I have a hard time trusting anyone from his region of the country in these matters.
More absurdity from the left.
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/trump-with-nuclear-codes-terrifying-737794627825
Yes, they are ACTUALLY suggesting Trump might use nuclear weapons in retaliation to an insult or negative tweet. They actually mentioned this on the evening news as well.
It is frightening, frightening that there are people stupid enough to believe this and even more frightening that millions of people consider Clinton in control of our nuclear arsenal to be a much safer option.
They accuse him of using fear to get elected (and he does), then use fear to drive people from him. I haven't found any of the major criticisms about him being a bigot, racist, etc to hold up on inspection. Says some seriously inappropriate stuff he didn't think through? Yes. Nazi, bigot, misogynist, yada yada? Haven't seen any real proof it yet and there seems to be a fair amount of evidence to the contrary, such as his promotions of women in his org, etc.
He does not hate women, he just dislikes some specific women and didn't hold back in his low opinion of them. That does not make you a misogynist. Saying some of the people coming over the borders are criminals and drug runners does make you anti Mexican, etc.
The more the left wing media just attack anything and everything he does, the more it strengthens why some like him and will vote for him, and the media can't seem to figure that out.
Screw it. I'll vote for Hillbitch.
Let's get this party started.
People are piss voting for a 3rd party candidate. Quit trying to make Gary Johnson happen. He's never going to happen!
People shit talking Trump now will be pissing themselves come January when Hillbitch takes over. "Oh I wish I had voted Trump.....Oh I wish I hadn't stayed home...oh no my guns! my guns! Now I have to comply waaah!"
Fuggit. Let's ride the train to hell. Maybe it will inspire people to hold their State reps freaking accountable. Maybe the country as a whole will go "God damn....We need to lay off the liquor and pills and think our options through.
Or maybe another Empire collapses.
Whatever. I'm sick of it. Sick of people whining about it. Sick of every four years being reminded how Not Free we really are.
We are a nation of adults being treated like 12 year olds. So here is my tantrum.
Enjoy your Hillary. Won't affect me. I'm middle aged and DGAF anymore. They can tax me til I'm broke and toss me in jail when I can't pay anymore. I'll just lift all day, get honeybuns from commissary, and catch up on my BET.
If they don't care enough to do that I'll just chill on a stoop or hang out at Circle K all day.
Screw it.
MountainRaven
08-06-16, 16:41
I will never wish I voted for Drumpf, not in six months and not in six years.
I will never wish I voted for Drumpf, not in six months and not in six years.
Cool. So when Hillary wins (and yes I am voting for her out of pure spite now), we can count on you to man up about it and accept it come January when shit gets real?
I ain't panic buying shit. I ain't gonna worry about the sky falling. I'm over it. I actually want her to win. Like getting your ass whipped by your old man. You dread it, it finally happens, hurts like hell, then its over and back outside you go to play or fish.
So I'll hold you to it. You're a groovy guy. Intelligent. I like ya.
But this is going to happen so no more Drumpf shit when it does. Okay?
MountainRaven
08-06-16, 17:00
Cool. So when Hillary wins (and yes I am voting for her out of pure spite now), we can count on you to man up about it and accept it come January when shit gets real?
I ain't panic buying shit. I ain't gonna worry about the sky falling. I'm over it. I actually want her to win. Like getting your ass whipped by your old man. You dread it, it finally happens, hurts like hell, then its over and back outside you go to play or fish.
So I'll hold you to it. You're a groovy guy. Intelligent. I like ya.
But this is going to happen so no more Drumpf shit when it does. Okay?
Honestly, I don't care who wins, any more. I'm being asked to pick between Hitler and Stalin and there is no, "Sneak West and surrender to Brits, Yanks, or Frogs, instead," option. This election is a real life Kobayashi-maru test, it doesn't matter who anyone votes for, we're all f___ed.
I'm not going to panic buy because I'm going to be the guy with the 30-06, the one who doesn't panic buy because the guy with the 30-06 doesn't panic - and frankly, there's no sense in panicking over something you have no control of.
But, yeah, once Donald Über-RINO Drumpf is either out of office, loses the election, or Drumpf's personality cult comes to throw me on a train to a "re-education camp", I'll stop with it: Was the plan the entire time.
Honestly, I don't care who wins, any more. I'm being asked to pick between Hitler and Stalin and there is no, "Sneak West and surrender to Brits, Yanks, or Frogs, instead," option. This election is a real life Kobayashi-maru test, it doesn't matter who anyone votes for, we're all f___ed.
I'm not going to panic buy because I'm going to be the guy with the 30-06, the one who doesn't panic buy because the guy with the 30-06 doesn't panic - and frankly, there's no sense in panicking over something you have no control of.
But, yeah, once Donald Über-RINO Drumpf is either out of office, loses the election, or Drumpf's personality cult comes to throw me on a train to a "re-education camp", I'll stop with it: Was the plan the entire time.
You know what, man?
Youre right. I'm not a trekkie but agree, this really is Kobayashi Maru.
Fuggit. I got an old Winchester 70 with a vintage Leupy and a no hole 686.
All I need for the apocalypse. All i need to do is get an M65 field Jacket with some confedrate flag and Jamaican flag patches.
You can't see it, but I'm raising a glass of cream soda to you.
Bravo for real talking your position.
Cheers
MountainRaven
08-06-16, 20:08
I would join in this toast, but can't seem to locally source the best damned cream soda I've ever had, locally any more. Sadly I must, therefore, offer my own toast to you with merely a glass of water.
brushy bill
08-06-16, 21:54
Cool. So when Hillary wins (and yes I am voting for her out of pure spite now)
I sincerely hope this is sarcasm. Normally, I get the jest of most of your posts. Also, your other posts elsewhere WRT civil unrest indicate concern for others.
You do have a point. But some people have families. Some people simply cannot uproot on a dime. And those people are innocent.
Why should they be punished or allowed to be massacred simply because they got a decent job in an urban area?
Remember not too long ago people in Iraq fleeing the borders for being Christian?
It was on CNN. The old lady with the walker scrambling to helicopters was unnerving.
Some people just want a normal life. I know what I can do. But these other people, rightly or wrongly so, put faith in the military and police so they don't have to take up arms.
You know that. I can totally live in a shack in the hills, but yuppies, misguided though they may be, didn't directly sign up for lawlessness and warlords.
They are still human beings. What? Just let them get killed en masse?
Naw man. I don't like that line of thinking.
If you, as a soldier, as a paratrooper, can tell me you would abide such a thing then.....I just don't know.
I couldn't. And I don't even like to fly.
This does not (to me). I get the part about if things are going south then alright already, let's roll. I'm not getting any younger either. I'm tracking. But if we can avoid the problem and make things better (and I believe ANYBODY or even a vacant office is better than Hillary) why not? I know there are people who just want to watch it burn, but if you fall in that camp, why be concerned elsewhere? If you want to protest, why not vote a write in or third party? Why give it to the one politician who will annihilate any chance this remains America?
Screw it. I'll vote for Hillbitch.
Let's get this party started.
People are piss voting for a 3rd party candidate. Quit trying to make Gary Johnson happen. He's never going to happen!
People shit talking Trump now will be pissing themselves come January when Hillbitch takes over. "Oh I wish I had voted Trump.....Oh I wish I hadn't stayed home...oh no my guns! my guns! Now I have to comply waaah!"
Fuggit. Let's ride the train to hell. Maybe it will inspire people to hold their State reps freaking accountable. Maybe the country as a whole will go "God damn....We need to lay off the liquor and pills and think our options through.
Or maybe another Empire collapses.
Whatever. I'm sick of it. Sick of people whining about it. Sick of every four years being reminded how Not Free we really are.
We are a nation of adults being treated like 12 year olds. So here is my tantrum.
Enjoy your Hillary. Won't affect me. I'm middle aged and DGAF anymore. They can tax me til I'm broke and toss me in jail when I can't pay anymore. I'll just lift all day, get honeybuns from commissary, and catch up on my BET.
If they don't care enough to do that I'll just chill on a stoop or hang out at Circle K all day.
Screw it.
I hope you're joking. Civilization is a hard thing to build. The accelerationist urge to go over the cliff in hopes of sparking a revival of civilization ignores the fact that you might die in the fall off said cliff.
I will never wish I voted for Drumpf, not in six months and not in six years.
Oh yes you will. Yes you will.
Idealism is great and all, but I hope your ideals can defend you when your family is being sold on the auction block of the Islamic slave market or being torn to pieces by hordes of third worlders.
Hillary's tax plan.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SeanKD/status/760605882065485824
Outlander Systems
08-07-16, 09:48
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Outlander Systems
08-07-16, 10:01
@ Firefly:
http://youtu.be/EO5Gayz4NNw
From an unknown author, but to me it captures this election and why people are supporting Trump despite his many flaws. Especially the last couple of sentences.
"Millions of trump supporters feel this way about Donald J. Trump....."We don't care if the guy swears... or how many times he's been married...or who he voted for, or what his income tax return shows. We want the problems fixed. Yes he's an egomaniac, but we don't care. We know he's not a racist, or bad to women, or all the other things the liberal media is trying to label him with. We know he's raised a good family, and that says a lot about him.
The country is a mess because politicians suck, the Republican Party is two faced & gutless, and illegals are everywhere and Muslims are openly trying to hurt this country and make the civilized world adjust to them. We want it all fixed!
We don't care that Trump is crude, we don't care that he has changed positions, we don't care that he fights with Megan Kelly, Rosie O'Donnell, and so many of the elected establishment. We don't care that Rubio, Cruz, Ryan, the Bush's, and so many other top old and new Republicans refuse to endorse him for their own selfish reasons, and we know what they are. We don't care that he doesn't know the name of some Muslim terrorists, we don't care that he tried some businesses that didn't work out.
This country is weak, bankrupt, our enemies are making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegals, we are becoming a nation of victims, where every Tom, Ricardo and Hasid is a special group with special rights to a point where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in, AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED. And TRUMP is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want.
We're sick of politicians, sick of the Democratic and Republican Party. We're angry about the Iran deal, the budget, treatment of Israel, military weakness, lobbyists, special interests, overpaid politicians with their self serving bills and back room deals, trade deals, loss of jobs, manipulated economic numbers, businesses fleeing, and even the phoney pay for play Clinton Foundation.
Americans are no longer going to be fooled, and the movement is out to change the direction we're taking. Trump may not be a saint, but he doesn't have lobbyist money holding him, he doesn't have political correctness restraining him, and all you know is that he has been very successful, a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, he's flexible, and he's also not a politician. And he says he'll fix it. And we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong or looked at and called a liar.
Public service has become elected greed. This may be our only chance to have a non-politician, despite his flaws, try and correct the mess, at least for 4 years. We must take the shot, because the consequences of putting Hillary Clinton in office are frightening."
From an unknown author, but to me it captures this election and why people are supporting Trump despite his many flaws. Especially the last couple of sentences.
"Millions of trump supporters feel this way about Donald J. Trump....."We don't care if the guy swears... or how many times he's been married...or who he voted for, or what his income tax return shows. We want the problems fixed. Yes he's an egomaniac, but we don't care. We know he's not a racist, or bad to women, or all the other things the liberal media is trying to label him with. We know he's raised a good family, and that says a lot about him.
The country is a mess because politicians suck, the Republican Party is two faced & gutless, and illegals are everywhere and Muslims are openly trying to hurt this country and make the civilized world adjust to them. We want it all fixed!
We don't care that Trump is crude, we don't care that he has changed positions, we don't care that he fights with Megan Kelly, Rosie O'Donnell, and so many of the elected establishment. We don't care that Rubio, Cruz, Ryan, the Bush's, and so many other top old and new Republicans refuse to endorse him for their own selfish reasons, and we know what they are. We don't care that he doesn't know the name of some Muslim terrorists, we don't care that he tried some businesses that didn't work out.
This country is weak, bankrupt, our enemies are making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegals, we are becoming a nation of victims, where every Tom, Ricardo and Hasid is a special group with special rights to a point where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in, AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED. And TRUMP is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want.
We're sick of politicians, sick of the Democratic and Republican Party. We're angry about the Iran deal, the budget, treatment of Israel, military weakness, lobbyists, special interests, overpaid politicians with their self serving bills and back room deals, trade deals, loss of jobs, manipulated economic numbers, businesses fleeing, and even the phoney pay for play Clinton Foundation.
Americans are no longer going to be fooled, and the movement is out to change the direction we're taking. Trump may not be a saint, but he doesn't have lobbyist money holding him, he doesn't have political correctness restraining him, and all you know is that he has been very successful, a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, he's flexible, and he's also not a politician. And he says he'll fix it. And we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong or looked at and called a liar.
Public service has become elected greed. This may be our only chance to have a non-politician, despite his flaws, try and correct the mess, at least for 4 years. We must take the shot, because the consequences of putting Hillary Clinton in office are frightening."
Sums up my feelings.
Sums up my feelings.
You honestly think this guy has the wherewithal to fix our country's problems?
https://youtu.be/kSE-XoVKaXg
Would you be comfortable having a leader who will say anything, promise everything to everybody, and lie his ass off repeadily as your department chair? How about hospital CEO?
Keep in mind that once he is done wrecking our country, you can't go back and say, "it was not my fault, I was only trying to keep Hillary out of office."
Would you be comfortable having a leader who will say anything, promise everything to everybody
You referring to Hillary?
in mind that once he is done wrecking our country, you can't go back and say, "it was not my fault, I was only trying to keep Hillary out of office."
Tell me exactly how you feel Trump will wreck our country. And splain how HRC won't. But do it in another thread.
This thread is not about why sensei thinks Trump is stupid/dangerous/whatever.
It is about "why are you voting for Trump".
And as such, your comments are way off topic, and worse, repetitions of what you've said 50 times in other threads.
Go start a thread on "why I think Trump will bring on the end of the US" if you want. :) I'll come join the debate
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This election is more important than Trump vs Hillary. It is going to determine who 3 Supreme Court Justices will be.
Do we want Hillary's picks or Trumps picks?
Now back to the thread itself. I am voting for Trump because he will make America great again. What does that mean to me?
1. A more industrialized nation that is a world leader in Manufacturing and Technology.
2. All the people in this country having more and better opportunities. Reason number one will take care of that.
3. Closed secured borders. Immigration is great and I support it as long as the people coming in are properly vetted and will add value to our population instead of being a burden.
4. I hate the tyranny that is called political correctness.
I could go on and on and on but I have things to do today.
You referring to Hillary?
Tell me exactly how you feel Trump will wreck our country. And splain how HRC won't. But do it in another thread.
This thread is not about why sensei thinks Trump is stupid/dangerous/whatever.
It is about "why are you voting for Trump".
And as such, your comments are way off topic, and worse, repetitions of what you've said 50 times in other threads.
Go start a thread on "why I think Trump will bring on the end of the US" if you want. :) I'll come join the debate
Sent from my PRC-104 using phonetics
Awe, am I messing up your perfect echo chamber? Well shit, I'm sorry.
Let me guess, it's OK for Trump supporters to call people turds and cucks in the Johnson thread, but nobody can point out the pile of BS that is Trump - classic.
This election is more important than Trump vs Hillary. It is going to determine who 3 Supreme Court Justices will be.
Do we want Hillary's picks or Trumps picks?
Now back to the thread itself. I am voting for Trump because he will make America great again. What does that mean to me?
1. A more industrialized nation that is a world leader in Manufacturing and Technology.
2. All the people in this country having more and better opportunities. Reason number one will take care of that.
3. Closed secured borders. Immigration is great and I support it as long as the people coming in are properly vetted and will add value to our population instead of being a burden.
4. I hate the tyranny that is called political correctness.
I could go on and on and on but I have things to do today.
Sorry man, but a president has minuscule influence on the basis of our economy. That is why it is called a free market. The fact that we've moved over 60 years from manufacturing to a financial and technology services economy was determined by a set of complex factors that exceeds the scope of power (or capability) of any one man. That fact that you believe Trump can (or should) somehow begin to reverse engineer the US back to a manufacturing economy suggests that your expectations are not jiving with reality.
If Trump gets elected, ten years later your t-shirt and iPhone will still be made in China, but our debt will have grown to 130% of GDP. That is how I define wrecking a country, and when that happens you will not care who is sitting on the Supreme Court.
I was just in a mood.
At the end of the day, I ride with The Duke.
In forva penny, out for a pound
You honestly think this guy has the wherewithal to fix our country's problems?
https://youtu.be/kSE-XoVKaXg
Would you be comfortable having a leader who will say anything, promise everything to everybody, and lie his ass off repeadily as your department chair? How about hospital CEO?
Keep in mind that once he is done wrecking our country, you can't go back and say, "it was not my fault, I was only trying to keep Hillary out of office."
LOL, you don't get it and you never will. We.Just.Don't.Care.Anymore...
There aren't ANY candidates on the ballot who can be the end all, be all fix to this country's ills. There isn't anyone on that ballot you could vote for who will do any better. No one is on that ballot who will satisfy you because you are utterly unsatisfiable. So in the end what you want or what you think are utterly irrelevant. What WE want is to send a message. We're sending a message to Hillary and Pelosi and Reid and Ryan and McConnell and Graham and every other miserable, corrupt, unscrupulous, lying sack of shit politician who have collectively run this country into the ground, that they are so hated and reviled for their perfidy that we'd rather elect someone like Trump than give them yet another blank check to continue destroying this country!
This is a warning shot across their bow that is irrefutable. We're not crazy if we vote Trump because first, it just don't matter and second, it cannot get any worse by not voting for a career beltway criminal. Probably the thing that angers you most is that your donations and empty rhetoric are so ineffective in holding back the inexorable tide that is anti-politician, anti-incumbent sentiment.
If Trump wins and things get worse, the people that drove us to vote Trump are 100% to blame. Had they not been so vile and irredeemable, we wouldn't have been pushed to this unpalatable brinkmanship. So own that and live with it because its not like you really have a choice. No matter who wins in November, you lose. You have three months to get used to that fact, so you might as well get busyl
LOL, you don't get it and you never will. We.Just.Don't.Care.Anymore...
There aren't ANY candidates on the ballot who can be the end all, be all fix to this country's ills. There isn't anyone on that ballot you could vote for who will do any better. No one is on that ballot who will satisfy you because you are utterly unsatisfiable. So in the end what you want or what you think are utterly irrelevant. What WE want is to send a message. We're sending a message to Hillary and Pelosi and Reid and Ryan and McConnell and Graham and every other miserable, corrupt, unscrupulous, lying sack of shit politician who have collectively run this country into the ground, that they are so hated and reviled for their perfidy that we'd rather elect someone like Trump than give them yet another blank check to continue destroying this country!
This is a warning shot across their bow that is irrefutable. We're not crazy if we vote Trump because first, it just don't matter and second, it cannot get any worse by not voting for a career beltway criminal. Probably the thing that angers you most is that your donations and empty rhetoric are so ineffective in holding back the inexorable tide that is anti-politician, anti-incumbent sentiment.
If Trump wins and things get worse, the people that drove us to vote Trump are 100% to blame. Had they not been so vile and irredeemable, we wouldn't have been pushed to this unpalatable brinkmanship. So own that and live with it because its not like you really have a choice. No matter who wins in November, you lose. You have three months to get used to that fact, so you might as well get busyl
Dude, Trump just endorsed and supported all of those vile creatures that claim to abhor. In fact, he has a history of supporting the establishment over limited government conservatives for years. So, spare me the "we were driven to vote" crap. There were at least 2 candidates for the GOP nomination with documentable records of challenging the progressive trajectory. Did they get any traction? No. BTW, both of those candidates still think that Trump is fraud.
People are voting for him because they like what he says. They think that it's cool that he curses at the media and calls people liars. Even more than that, they like that Trump validates their belief that others such as "the establishment" are to blame for their problems, and he can somehow make it right. Nevermind the fact that much of what is says is complete BS. So, yeah. I don't get "it" and I'm cool with that.
Dude, Trump just endorsed and supported all of those vile creatures that claim to abhor. In fact, he has a history of supporting the establishment over limited government conservatives for years. So, spare me the "we were driven to vote" crap. There were at least 2 candidates for the GOP nomination with documentable records of challenging the progressive trajectory. Did they get any traction? No. BTW, both of those candidates still think that Trump is fraud.
People are voting for him because they like what he says. They think that it's cool that he curses at the media and calls people liars. Even more than that, they like that Trump validates their belief that others such as "the establishment" are to blame for their problems, and he can somehow make it right. Nevermind the fact that much of what is says is complete BS. So, yeah. I don't get "it" and I'm cool with that.
If the poll here is any indicator, vast majority are voting for him because he's not HC:
Donald Trump is clearly the best man for the job: 12.56%
Vs.
We cannot afford to have Hillary Clinton become president: 73.09%
Hence, 70%+ here will vote for him because he's not HC.
It would be an interesting poll if those 70%+ here had a viable alternative would vote if given that choice.
Chuckle chuckle chuckle...
http://theamericanmirror.com/shock-photo-grandma-hillary-helped-stairs/
Awe, am I messing up your perfect echo chamber? Well shit, I'm sorry.
Look at the topic dude... You are off topic. It's that simple.
And you have threads going in 5 other places on "all the reasons you are an idiot if you try to keep HRC out"
This is what you are doing:
Topic: why did you pick a Colt 6920?
Your spam: "the colts are beat up, over priced, they decided to not sell to civvies 2 decades ago. Blah, blah, blah. I could never buy a Colt. At least with a Shrubmaster I would not be supporting evil Colt."
Let me guess, it's OK for Trump supporters to call people turds and cucks in the Johnson thread, but nobody can point out the pile of BS that is Trump - classic.
I won't defend them, but that's in another thread which I gave up on long ago.
Feel free to start a "all the reasons I hate DJT" thread, or use the 5 other threads where you are doing the same.
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Chuckle chuckle chuckle...
http://theamericanmirror.com/shock-photo-grandma-hillary-helped-stairs/
If I were a lesser person, I'd say I hope she falls down stairs the length of the one Rocky used to run on and break her hip and neck.
But I am simply too much of a gentleman
Averageman
08-07-16, 17:33
There seems to be two choices that have a viable chance to win.
This one can't be trusted to obey even the simplest instructions when it comes to e-mail and OPSEC.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/07/clintons-server-has-emails-discussing-nuclear-scientist-executed-by-iran-video/
It is unclear if the existence of the sensitive emails — which were first revealed by Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton during an interview Sunday on CBS’ “Face the Nation” — put Amiri at additional risk of conviction or execution by Iran. But Cotton, a Republican, suggested that the emails provided further evidence that Clinton’s use of a private and unsecured email server put American secrets at risk and was “reckless and careless.”
So now people are dying because of it and still no charges.
Thanks Director Comey, we knew we could count on you to be bi partisan and fair.
So yeah I will vote for Trump just in the hopes that we can hold this ship together long enough to turn it around again and get it on track.
Sorry man, but a president has minuscule influence on the basis of our economy. That is why it is called a free market. The fact that we've moved over 60 years from manufacturing to a financial and technology services economy was determined by a set of complex factors that exceeds the scope of power (or capability) of any one man. That fact that you believe Trump can (or should) somehow begin to reverse engineer the US back to a manufacturing economy suggests that your expectations are not jiving with reality.
If Trump gets elected, ten years later your t-shirt and iPhone will still be made in China, but our debt will have grown to 130% of GDP. That is how I define wrecking a country, and when that happens you will not care who is sitting on the Supreme Court.
So you say that the president has little influence on the economy but you suggest that if Trump is elected that our economy is going to get worse. You are so confusing that you confuse yourself.
Averageman
08-07-16, 17:41
If I were a lesser person, I'd say I hope she falls down stairs the length of the one Rocky used to run on and break her hip and neck.
But I am simply too much of a gentleman
How many times a day does one Secret Service Agent have to stop another one from putting his foot in the middle of her back and give her some help DOWN the stairs?
MountainRaven
08-07-16, 17:41
Look at the topic dude... You are off topic. It's that simple.
And you have threads going in 5 other places on "all the reasons you are an idiot if you try to keep HRC out"
This is what you are doing:
Topic: why did you pick a Colt 6920?
Your spam: "the colts are beat up, over priced, they decided to not sell to civvies 2 decades ago. Blah, blah, blah. I could never buy a Colt. At least with a Shrubmaster I would not be supporting evil Colt."
I won't defend them, but that's in another thread which I gave up on long ago.
Feel free to start a "all the reasons I hate DJT" thread, or use the 5 other threads where you are doing the same.
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One of the options is, "I'm not voting for Donald Trump."
Further, I think it's fair to discuss why one would not vote for the Über-RINO in a thread about why one would vote for the Über-RINO. I mean, unless the folks who are only voting for him to keep HRC out of office are going to have a discussion with the folks who are voting for him because they think he's the most bestest are going to have a discussion with the folks who voted, "Other".... And I ain't seeing that happen.
How many times a day does one Secret Service Agent have to stop another one from putting his foot in the middle of her back and give her some help DOWN the stairs?
I don't see a downside. Bruce Willis did something like that and got to be a chainsmoking alcoholic Private Eye who went on black/white buddy adventures with Damon Wayans.
Chuckle chuckle chuckle...
http://theamericanmirror.com/shock-photo-grandma-hillary-helped-stairs/
Whoever took that photo is a dead man walking.
Averageman
08-07-16, 18:52
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/05/hillary-clinton-took-6-months-to-get-over-concussion-bill-says-of-timeline/
The former president revealed that his wife's injury "required six months of very serious work to get over," he said during a question-and-answer session at the Peterson Foundation in Washington.
"They went to all this trouble to say she had staged what was a terrible concussion that required six months of very serious work to get over," he said. "It's something she never low-balled with the American people, never tried to pretend it didn't happen."
I'm guessing stroke...
Sensei is funny. He thinks the USA is a free market economy and that politics can't heavily influence the economy. Funniest thing I've read all day.
Averageman
08-07-16, 19:25
Another thing about voting for Trump is that it just may finally kill off the RINO's.
I'm just kind of sick to death of supporting a party of turncoats and failures. Last election I found myself shouting at the TV like Romney should be able to hear my pleas for him to go after Obama's failures a POTUS, nope he drops the ball and claims he had the flu.
You have a young up and comer like Paul Ryan get elected and become a rising star and when handed the reigns of power he becomes a shill for the other side.
I'm just sick of the GOP as a whole, but I'm sorry, nobody coming in as a third party and this late in the game is going to be anything but a spoiler.
With Trump I'm pretty sure Hillary is going to get butt hurt in a debate or two.
MountainRaven
08-07-16, 19:30
I don't see a downside. Bruce Willis did something like that and got to be a chainsmoking alcoholic Private Eye who went on black/white buddy adventures with Damon Wayans.
But who will provide The Key That Shreds™?
I know I'm beating a dead horse, but in case you missed this. Some of HRC emails form her private sever were so classified our Inspector General for Intelligence had to be read in to the programs and is not at liberty to share them with m, even in a closed session of congress. How is she even an option? I've asked this before and still haven't seen anyone here even attempted to answer that question.
https://youtu.be/gzFPpHT17_E
ColtSeavers
08-07-16, 19:56
But who will provide The Key That Shreds™?
To Alex, the movie qoute guru.
You honestly think this guy has the wherewithal to fix our country's problems?
https://youtu.be/kSE-XoVKaXg
Would you be comfortable having a leader who will say anything, promise everything to everybody, and lie his ass off repeadily as your department chair? How about hospital CEO?
Keep in mind that once he is done wrecking our country, you can't go back and say, "it was not my fault, I was only trying to keep Hillary out of office."
I do not like trump. But I like Hillary even less. And those are the two real choices.
Averageman
08-07-16, 20:29
I know I'm beating a dead horse, but in case you missed this. Some of HRC emails form her private sever were so classified our Inspector General for Intelligence had to be read in to the programs and is not at liberty to share them with m, even in a closed session of congress. How is she even an option? I've asked this before and still haven't seen anyone here even attempted to answer that question.
https://youtu.be/gzFPpHT17_E
Now it is looking like the guy we had on the inside of Iran's nuclear program was hung after those e-mails were recently released.
You're simply not going to get an answer from a Liberal as to why, but even now She is being briefed on our State Secrets. I would like to think that people who are going to vote would take a minute and think about some of these things, but we got Obama twice, so that aint happening.
My Vote for Trump is a vote against Hillary.
So you say that the president has little influence on the economy but you suggest that if Trump is elected that our economy is going to get worse. You are so confusing that you confuse yourself.
I'm saying that the President has some control over fiscal policy (i.e. he signs and executes the budget) and much less control over economic performance. A prime example is that BHO managed to add $8T on to our debt with horrible fiscal policy. Yet, despite his best effort to stifle our economic growth, we still managed to limp along at 2% growth for the past 6 years even though he passed the ACA and other anti growth regulations. When you think about it, the past 8 years are a real testimate to how resilient our economy is to meddling. Another example is that Clinton got credit for presiding over an economic expansion that had very little to do with his policies (he was too busy playing tonsil hockey with interns).
However, there is a mathematical reality on the horizon that cannot be escaped. That reality is at our current trajectory 1) our debt will become a drag on our economy in 10-15 years, 2) the only way to change that trajectory is by overhauling our fiscal policy with massive entitlement reform, and 3) Trump has made no indication that he will begin to change that trajectory; in fact he may exacerbate it with new healthcare entitlements for the poor.
I don't think trump is dumb enough to not recognize the drag entitlement programs have on our nation. Likewise I think he's smart enough not to even mention during an election campaign. That shit is toxic to the stupid masses that is the American electorate. All that would is give ammo to Hillary.
Averageman
08-07-16, 20:47
I don't think trump is dumb enough to not recognize the drag entitlement programs have on our nation. Likewise I think he's smart enough not to even mention during an election campaign. That shit is toxic to the stupid masses that is the American electorate. All that would is give ammo to Hillary.
She's been quick to point out she will be spending Billions more than "O" did.
I'm sure in no small part on pet project freebies for her base.
I don't think trump is dumb enough to not recognize the drag entitlement programs have on our nation. Likewise I think he's smart enough not to even mention during an election campaign. That shit is toxic to the stupid masses that is the American electorate. All that would is give ammo to Hillary.
His performance in these two debates suggests he is that dumb, or just telling people what they want to hear which just sounds dumb to people who can add.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/foxs-wallace-slams-trumps-budget-plan-in-debate-fact-check/article/2584924
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-breaks-orthodoxy-435751
In these debates he tries to argue that he can balance the budget by reducing fraud, waste, and abuse (this should sound familiar), and by increasing economic growth which increases revenue via expansion of the tax base. The problem comes when you look at the programs that he proposes to cut which are a drop in the fiscal bucket. The issue becomes almost laughable when you consider the healthcare entitlement that he has floated which would explode the deficit no matter what else gets cut.
You simply cannot balance the budget without meaningful cuts to SS, Medicare, and DOD. You also cannot make SS solvent without reducing benefits or means testing it. Moreover, anyone who thinks that this equation gets easier as we add more debt (and therefore service on the debt) is a fool.
FWIW, I was look warm to Trump's candidacy about a year ago. It was this issue, and specifically his notion of the government paying for indigent healthcare, that made me realize that Trump was dangerous.
Well, that being the case we may as well just say fvxk it and burn everything to the ground because Sensei, nobody is going to fix anything, ever. No point in delaying the inevitable.
https://i.sli.mg/LK9klL.jpg
It appears some in this thread fail to recognize the election is about more than just Trump.
Trump or any president, is just one man. Cabinet positions are just as, if not more important.
I am convinced Trump will surround himself with capable leaders and he will lead them.
Which is far more than we can say about the current administration.
How much did Bill get to leave our guys hanging with their asses out in the wind in Somalia? Sometimes the Clintons screw this country over simply for fun.
I forgot about that one. :mad:
Averageman
08-08-16, 12:27
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/oh-hillary-handler-carries-diazepam-pen-seizures/
An expert on Secret Service tactics told TGP Secret Service agents would not touch a candidate in the manner that this individual did and especially Hillary Clinton. It has been widely reported on Hillary’s disdain for the agents who work to protect her. The man who touches Hillary may be a member of Hillary’s close staff – but he is NOT a Secret Service agent.
Now this…
Mike Cernovich pointed out that Hillary’s handler carries a Diazepam pen.
Maybe we wont have long to wait?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/oh-hillary-handler-carries-diazepam-pen-seizures/
An expert on Secret Service tactics told TGP Secret Service agents would not touch a candidate in the manner that this individual did and especially Hillary Clinton. It has been widely reported on Hillary’s disdain for the agents who work to protect her. The man who touches Hillary may be a member of Hillary’s close staff – but he is NOT a Secret Service agent.
Now this…
Mike Cernovich pointed out that Hillary’s handler carries a Diazepam pen.
Maybe we wont have long to wait?
I don't know who Mike Cernovich is, but my experience suggests he either honestly mistaken (unlikely) or lying his ass off. I've been around various auto injectors from Epi to Valium and the Mark 1 kit, and what they have pictured looks nothing like what I've ever seen. Granted, it is possible this one I've never seen, but that is unlikely. Moreover, the autoinjector delivers an IM does of Valium that would take at least couple of minutes to abort a prolonged seizure. Thus, there is no need to walk around with it in your hand, and only an idiot would do this instead of carrying it the manufacturers case. It's not like popping her in that frumpy ass with a dart is going to instantly abort a seizure before anyone can see what is going on.
https://i.sli.mg/LK9klL.jpg
If only the Trump campaign responded in kind.
I don't know who Mike Cernovich is, but my experience suggests he either honestly mistaken (unlikely) or lying his ass off. I've been around various auto injectors from Epi to Valium and the Mark 1 kit, and what they have pictured looks nothing like what I've ever seen. Granted, it is possible this one I've never seen, but that is unlikely. Moreover, the autoinjector delivers an IM does of Valium that would take at least couple of minutes to abort a prolonged seizure. Thus, there is no need to walk around with it in your hand, and only an idiot would do this instead of carrying it the manufacturers case. It's not like popping her in that frumpy ass with a dart is going to instantly abort a seizure before anyone can see what is going on.
Not that there is a ton of validity to this video re: her health but it gets me really excited for her 1v1 with Trump. She will either postpone or rage quit.
http://youtu.be/OqbDBRWb63s
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His performance in these two debates suggests he is that dumb, or just telling people what they want to hear which just sounds dumb to people who can add.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/foxs-wallace-slams-trumps-budget-plan-in-debate-fact-check/article/2584924
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-breaks-orthodoxy-435751
In these debates he tries to argue that he can balance the budget by reducing fraud, waste, and abuse (this should sound familiar), and by increasing economic growth which increases revenue via expansion of the tax base. The problem comes when you look at the programs that he proposes to cut which are a drop in the fiscal bucket. The issue becomes almost laughable when you consider the healthcare entitlement that he has floated which would explode the deficit no matter what else gets cut.
You simply cannot balance the budget without meaningful cuts to SS, Medicare, and DOD. You also cannot make SS solvent without reducing benefits or means testing it. Moreover, anyone who thinks that this equation gets easier as we add more debt (and therefore service on the debt) is a fool.
FWIW, I was look warm to Trump's candidacy about a year ago. It was this issue, and specifically his notion of the government paying for indigent healthcare, that made me realize that Trump was dangerous.
How much money did you donate to right wing causes this year?
How much money did you donate to right wing causes this year?
About 2% of my gross income. 4% if you include the PAC that supports my specialty (technically non-partisan). More than 10% if you consider my charitable contributions to non-partisan but right of center charities and foundations. More than 20% if you consider the adoption expenses used to save someone's life who would have otherwise been murdered by leftest.
And than doesn't begin to count the uncompensated hours spent working for one campaign, my wife's church and the legislative/advocacy arm of my speciality organization (ACEP).
Is that enough for me to have an opinion in your mind?
About 2% of my gross income. 4% if you include the PAC that supports my specialty (technically non-partisan). More than 10% if you consider my charitable contributions to non-partisan but right of center charities and foundations. More than 20% if you consider the adoption expenses used to save someone's life who would have otherwise been murdered by leftest.
And than doesn't begin to count the uncompensated hours spent working for one campaign, my wife's church and the legislative/advocacy arm of my speciality organization (ACEP).
Is that enough for me to have an opinion in your mind?
Given your rather strong views on abortion and the incredibly divergent views of Clinton vs Trump on the issue, I'm amazed you are struggling to support Trump.
Granted many would see Trump as "moderate" on the issue, but like guns Hillary is so far left on the issue it isn't even funny.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/oh-hillary-handler-carries-diazepam-pen-seizures/
An expert on Secret Service tactics told TGP Secret Service agents would not touch a candidate in the manner that this individual did and especially Hillary Clinton. It has been widely reported on Hillary’s disdain for the agents who work to protect her. The man who touches Hillary may be a member of Hillary’s close staff – but he is NOT a Secret Service agent.
Now this…
Mike Cernovich pointed out that Hillary’s handler carries a Diazepam pen.
Maybe we wont have long to wait?
Not much of an expert because as his conclusions are false.
About 2% of my gross income. 4% if you include the PAC that supports my specialty (technically non-partisan). More than 10% if you consider my charitable contributions to non-partisan but right of center charities and foundations. More than 20% if you consider the adoption expenses used to save someone's life who would have otherwise been murdered by leftest.
And than doesn't begin to count the uncompensated hours spent working for one campaign, my wife's church and the legislative/advocacy arm of my speciality organization (ACEP).
Is that enough for me to have an opinion in your mind?
Your right to your opinion was never in question. However, the more heavily invested you are in your position, the less likely you are to accept anything that doesn't support it. You're probably more heavily invested than most (if not all) on here. It stands to reason that the average person wouldn't accept that their investment was unfruitful, much less out of step or wrong. After all, we're seeing exactly that with some heavy hitters such as Bill Kristol and his neocon pals.
Given your rather strong views on abortion and the incredibly divergent views of Clinton vs Trump on the issue, I'm amazed you are struggling to support Trump.
Granted many would see Trump as "moderate" on the issue, but like guns Hillary is so far left on the issue it isn't even funny.
First, I'm not a single issue voter. Second, I'm not voting for Hillary nor do I believe Trump when he says that he is pro-life. Trump is pro-Trump and has demonstrated that he will lie whenever it suits him.
Although Johnson is technically pro-choice in his personal beliefs, he is functionally pro-life on a policy level since he sees it being a state issue.
Your right to your opinion was never in question. However, the more heavily invested you are in your position, the less likely you are to accept anything that doesn't support it. You're probably more heavily invested than most (if not all) on here. It stands to reason that the average person wouldn't accept that their investment was unfruitful, much less out of step or wrong. After all, we're seeing exactly that with some heavy hitters such as Bill Kristol and his neocon pals.
Several of the organizations that I've supported with time or money, including the NRA-ILA and Rand Paul, have thrown their endorsement behind Trump. If you logic holds, then I should be withholding my future support for these organizations or falling in line. I'm doing neither; I'll continue to support organizations such as the NRA even though I disagree with their position. That might have something to do with my sense of purpose having a little more depth than a few thousand dollars given to organizations and people that seem worthy.
No, the relatively small amount of my time and money spent on political issues is not something that keeps me up at night. Instead, I've donated almost half of my life to federal service; twenty years between DOD and DOJ. Despite all that time, I can say with some certainty (and without much difficulty) that my efforts were "unfruitful" as you so eloquently wrote. So unfruitful that if people like Trump and Hillary are the best that our country can muster, then I hope my children choose not to follow in my footsteps.
Cannot vote for Trump because I do not believe he is a serious candidate who has serious ideas of his own--that he will actually follow through on versus just talking about it--to turn the country around. The fact that he's allegedly "less evil than Hillary" does not cut it for me. I actually believe they will both be equally disastrous, with the only slight difference being that Trump SAYS he will be more supportive on 2A issues and dealing with immigration. His entire history and belief system indicates he's a northeast progressive, I see no reason to think he'll change. Beyond that, I have yet to hear a serious proposal or idea from Trump that is believable. I do not think he has the personal integrity, the gravitas, the compassion and empathy for others, the core belief system, a history of real and solid achievements (even in business), or the intellectual capacity, to be a serious president. I simply couldn't vote for someone I detest and disagree with as much as I do Trump, and still have a clear conscience. I will be voting for a 3rd party or write-in candidate.
Cannot vote for Trump because I do not believe he is a serious candidate who has serious ideas of his own--that he will actually follow through on versus just talking about it--to turn the country around. The fact that he's allegedly "less evil than Hillary" does not cut it for me.
Would you rather have a person that turns to others for advice even though s/he appears to run the show, or a single person that does whatever they feel.
Either way we get the former. Hillary is owned by big money globalists. Trump is constantly surrounded by advisors. Hillary wants everyone to believe she has answers. Yet she fails at everything she does. Trump is applying for job as CEO without actually knowing everything about the company. I personally trust Trump to call in the advisors that act in the best interest of America and The Constitution far more so than I would trust Hillary. Hell, she has already said first order of business is to amend the The Constitution.
Nothing will matter if Hillary gets elected because the court will be stacked before 2018 and then it's game over. There will be law suits flooding the SCOTUS for Liberal enlightenment.
If Hillary wins it will mean the Constitution finally failed as it's sworn protectors were unable or unwilling to protect it from domestic enemies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_U3EeYAXkU
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I personally trust Trump to call in the advisors that act in the best interest of America and The Constitution far more so than I would trust Hillary.
Hmm, this is Trump's current Campaign Finance Chair and the man he plans to nominate for TreasSec if POTUS:
Trump’s planned selection for Treasury Secretary, has spent his professional life donating big money to liberal democrats – including Hillary Rodham Clinton.
According to Fortune Magazine, Mnuchin was a Goldman Sachs banker for 17 years before working with George Soros-affiliated investment groups. Early in 2016, he signed on as Trump’s campaign finance chairman. Now, Trump has reportedly told donors that, if elected, Mnuchin is his guy for the Treasury position.
The FEC records are damning:
$1,000 to Al Gore for President in 1999
$2,000 to Jon Corzine in 1999, Democratic New Jersey senator, then governor
$1,000 to Bill Bradley for President in 1999
$7,400 to Hillary Clinton for NY in 2000, 2004, 20005, 2007
$2,500 to Chuck Schumer in 1998, 2002
$4,100 to John Edwards for President in 2003, 2007
$1,000 to Democratic Victory 2004
$10,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) in 2004
$1,000 to Ken Salazar in 2004
$4,300 to Barack Obama in 2004, 2007
$1,000 to Tom Daschle in 2004
$2,500 to John Kerry in 2003, 2004
$1,000 to Maria Cantwell in 2006
$2,100 to Ned Lamont in 2006
$1,000 to John Cranley in 2006, Democratic Mayor of Cincinnati
$2,100 to Bill Richardson for President in 2007
$2,300 to Chris Dodd for President in 2007
$1,000 to Frank Lautenberg in 2007
$11,500 to Michael Wildes from 2004-2014, Democratic candidate for congress
- See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/trumps-pick-for-treasury-secretary-is-a-colossal-leftist-donor#sthash.SyL1YSTS.dpuf
So, tell me more about these great, Constitutionalist advisors...:rolleyes:
First, I'm not a single issue voter. Second, I'm not voting for Hillary nor do I believe Trump when he says that he is pro-life. Trump is pro-Trump and has demonstrated that he will lie whenever it suits him.
Although Johnson is technically pro-choice in his personal beliefs, he is functionally pro-life on a policy level since he sees it being a state issue.
But Johnson isn't going to be President. So realistically it is Clinton or Trump. And if you think Trump lies when it suits him, then I think you are out of options.
Sounds like you are going to protest vote for Johnson, which takes away a vote that could prevent Clinton from being the next President. I understand it, I was very tempted to do the same the last two elections, but I believed the threat of Obama was greater than me voting my conscience. So I voted for McCain which was really, really painful and I voted for Romney which was more dejecting than anything.
So would rather have someone on your team that doesn't know how the game is played, or that is growing inside the game. He's an independent contractor.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/10/business/dealbook/donald-trumps-pick-for-fund-raiser-is-rife-with-contradictions.html?_r=0
I'm not expecting utopia. I just just don't want the gates of hell opened with Hillary. You see what kind of beating the not ready for prime time Cruz took from these people.
The guy is a north-east and west coast insider. Where do we always lose? The north-east and west. If anything we should all see that the best way to break a hold these days is from the inside.
If you've ever thought that Hillary being elected to the Senate or appointed SoS gave her carte blanc to do whatever she wanted, you have to imagine the level of absolute impunity she'll feel is she wins the election for president. We haven't even remotely witnessed the depths to which she can sink. :(
Mr. Goodtimes
08-09-16, 14:12
Because he's not Hillary. That's it. I think he has some good points and ideas but he's not my favorite candidate by a long shot. Actually, I haven't really had a candidate I felt really great about since I've been old enough to vote. I hope we had a Ronnie Reagan in my lifetime.
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Cannot vote for Trump because I do not believe he is a serious candidate who has serious ideas of his own--that he will actually follow through on versus just talking about it--to turn the country around. The fact that he's allegedly "less evil than Hillary" does not cut it for me. I actually believe they will both be equally disastrous, with the only slight difference being that Trump SAYS he will be more supportive on 2A issues and dealing with immigration. His entire history and belief system indicates he's a northeast progressive, I see no reason to think he'll change. Beyond that, I have yet to hear a serious proposal or idea from Trump that is believable. I do not think he has the personal integrity, the gravitas, the compassion and empathy for others, the core belief system, a history of real and solid achievements (even in business), or the intellectual capacity, to be a serious president. I simply couldn't vote for someone I detest and disagree with as much as I do Trump, and still have a clear conscience. I will be voting for a 3rd party or write-in candidate.
That's fine but that still doesn't help defeat Hilary does it? All I can say is that I despise her more than Trump. But I will not throw away a vote just because one is worse that the other! If she wins then our country will never be the same ever again! She must not win! A non vote for Trump is a big help for her and only her! Come on people really?
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13900104_1236492596381586_5468054052031378373_n.jpg?oh=46b261a3631ba0e801d71e3f42410a93&oe=58115297
Cannot vote for Trump because I do not believe he is a serious candidate who has serious ideas of his own--that he will actually follow through on versus just talking about it--to turn the country around. The fact that he's allegedly "less evil than Hillary" does not cut it for me. I actually believe they will both be equally disastrous, with the only slight difference being that Trump SAYS he will be more supportive on 2A issues and dealing with immigration. His entire history and belief system indicates he's a northeast progressive, I see no reason to think he'll change. Beyond that, I have yet to hear a serious proposal or idea from Trump that is believable. I do not think he has the personal integrity, the gravitas, the compassion and empathy for others, the core belief system, a history of real and solid achievements (even in business), or the intellectual capacity, to be a serious president. I simply couldn't vote for someone I detest and disagree with as much as I do Trump, and still have a clear conscience. I will be voting for a 3rd party or write-in candidate.
These are all taking points of the left.
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Hmm, this is Trump's current Campaign Finance Chair and the man he plans to nominate for TreasSec if POTUS:
So, tell me more about these great, Constitutionalist advisors...:rolleyes:
I hope you are smart enough to realize Trump does business in areas which are 100% controlled by liberal democrats. He has to pay them off to do business.
Cannot vote for Trump because I do not believe he is a serious candidate who has serious ideas of his own--that he will actually follow through on versus just talking about it--to turn the country around. The fact that he's allegedly "less evil than Hillary" does not cut it for me. I actually believe they will both be equally disastrous, with the only slight difference being that Trump SAYS he will be more supportive on 2A issues and dealing with immigration. His entire history and belief system indicates he's a northeast progressive, I see no reason to think he'll change. Beyond that, I have yet to hear a serious proposal or idea from Trump that is believable. I do not think he has the personal integrity, the gravitas, the compassion and empathy for others, the core belief system, a history of real and solid achievements (even in business), or the intellectual capacity, to be a serious president. I simply couldn't vote for someone I detest and disagree with as much as I do Trump, and still have a clear conscience. I will be voting for a 3rd party or write-in candidate.
"Northeast Progressive" is the nail on the head for me. I trust none of those types, no matter how hard they flip flop.
Just like Romney---he was a Masshole through and through.
"Northeast Progressive" is the nail on the head for me. I trust none of those types, no matter how hard they flip flop.
Just like Romney---he was a Masshole through and through.
Ha, that's an insult to legit Massholes! He was an outsider who recognized he could probably get elected in that state, so he got himself a house, claimed residency and ran, just as HC did in NY. Romney is no more from MA than HC is from NY. I warned people about Romney here well before he ran for POTUS when he gave us Romney care, which was what Obama Care is modeled after and MA help us as the model state for the idea, but those in the GOP didn't want to talk about where POS Obama care got its footing and start...
Romney and HC are flip floppers who can't be trusted but Trump "changed his mind" and gets a pass. Go figure.
If HC becomes POTUS the GOP will have no one but the GOP to blame as is the case with Obama's reelection. Only good that may come from all this is the true rise of a third party in the next election and the GOP finally turning a corner and re inventing itself and maybe, just maybe, getting back to it's roots.
I have been firmly in the "lesser of two evils" camp for most of this campaign, but jesus christ every time the guy opens his ******* mouth these days, toys fall out. My disdain for Hillary Clinton is so great that I'm not yet at the point where I consider her to be the lesser of two evils, but I can now see it from here.
"Northeast Progressive" is the nail on the head for me. I trust none of those types, no matter how hard they flip flop.
Just like Romney---he was a Masshole through and through.
But if you could go back, and have him instead of second term Obama, would you?
Ha, that's an insult to legit Massholes! He was an outsider who recognized he could probably get elected in that state, so he got himself a house, claimed residency and ran, just as HC did in NY. Romney is no more from MA than HC is from NY. I warned people about Romney here well before he ran for POTUS when he gave us Romney care, which was what Obama Care is modeled after and MA help us as the model state for the idea, but those in the GOP didn't want to talk about where POS Obama care got its footing and start...
Romney and HC are flip floppers who can't be trusted but Trump "changed his mind" and gets a pass. Go figure.
If HC becomes POTUS the GOP will have no one but the GOP to blame as is the case with Obama's reelection. Only good that may come from all this is the true rise of a third party in the next election and the GOP finally turning a corner and re inventing itself and maybe, just maybe, getting back to it's roots.
The GOP is to blame because they haven't advanced a conservative, America first agenda in the past 20 years. The GOP created the environment for the rise of somebody like Trump.
Reagan also used to be a Democrat.
Romney's immigration plan was also the correct approach. You make it so difficult for these 3rd world savages to be here, they self deport. You make fines so high for hiring them, that no employer will hire them. They get caught here illegally and they forfeit their assets.
But if you could go back, and have him instead of second term Obama, would you?
I will concede that it may have been better but I still wouldn't go back and vote for him.
Ha, that's an insult to legit Massholes! He was an outsider who recognized he could probably get elected in that state, so he got himself a house, claimed residency and ran, just as HC did in NY. Romney is no more from MA than HC is from NY. I warned people about Romney here well before he ran for POTUS when he gave us Romney care, which was what Obama Care is modeled after and MA help us as the model state for the idea, but those in the GOP didn't want to talk about where POS Obama care got its footing and start...
Romney and HC are flip floppers who can't be trusted but Trump "changed his mind" and gets a pass. Go figure.
If HC becomes POTUS the GOP will have no one but the GOP to blame as is the case with Obama's reelection. Only good that may come from all this is the true rise of a third party in the next election and the GOP finally turning a corner and re inventing itself and maybe, just maybe, getting back to it's roots.
I absolutely lost my ****ing mind back when Romney was the candidate. Hell, its a big reason why I was banned on TOS and a few other forums because I couldn't believe the sheep that were lining up to vote for that slime on a GUN ORIENTED WEBSITE and called out all of the mormons (one of which was a manufacturer of "assault weapons") for being no different than the black people voting for Obama "just because".
MountainRaven
08-09-16, 20:13
But Johnson isn't going to be President. So realistically it is Clinton or Trump. And if you think Trump lies when it suits him, then I think you are out of options.
Sounds like you are going to protest vote for Johnson, which takes away a vote that could prevent Clinton from being the next President. I understand it, I was very tempted to do the same the last two elections, but I believed the threat of Obama was greater than me voting my conscience. So I voted for McCain which was really, really painful and I voted for Romney which was more dejecting than anything.
Realistically, you're not getting Trump, either.
I hope you are smart enough to realize Trump does business in areas which are 100% controlled by liberal democrats. He has to pay them off to do business.
He gave money to HRC's 2008 presidential campaign and said that he thought that she would make a great president. In public. On record. On national television.
IIRC, he also said that she was a great SecState, too.
Obviously, now that he's running against her, he has changed his mind.
I don't see how he gets a pass for this. In order to be elected in these places, you need to vote for certain things, too, like gun laws. But politicians don't get a pass while Drumpf does. Sure, politicians can move elsewhere - like Romney and Clinton did - but Drumpf could have done business anywhere he wanted to. He chose to do business in areas run by liberal Democrats and he chose to give money to them. Because he is one.
The GOP is to blame because they haven't advanced a conservative, America first agenda in the past 20 years.
I would really like to see the entire elected GOP on a lie detector. These ones that are coming out and saying they will not vote for Trump. I have a real suspicion that they may have been voting for Obama as well as other Dems in the past as well. I think they are all coming out of the closet and exposing their true colors.
As odd as it seems, Christie may be one of the few real GOP members in the whole crew. Never thought I would say that, but loyalty is valuable, and if a man gets beat and still stands by your side while the other so called team members scatter like roaches you really need to wonder who the honest people are.
Realistically, you're not getting Trump, either.
He gave money to HRC's 2008 presidential campaign and said that he thought that she would make a great president. In public. On record. On national television.
IIRC, he also said that she was a great SecState, too.
Obviously, now that he's running against her, he has changed his mind.
I don't see how he gets a pass for this. In order to be elected in these places, you need to vote for certain things, too, like gun laws. But politicians don't get a pass while Drumpf does. Sure, politicians can move elsewhere - like Romney and Clinton did - but Drumpf could have done business anywhere he wanted to. He chose to do business in areas run by liberal Democrats and he chose to give money to them. Because he is one.
You do realize there are many conservative men who work in big banks and on wall street in New York who aren't liberals who have had to pay off liberals? They are in a certain set of circumstance due to the business they are in.
Realistically, you're not getting Trump, either.
If that's the case, why the concern? Why do we have 20+ pages of a few members warning us of the dangers of a Trump presidency. If it's 100% in the bag for Clinton, why are all the people worried about Trump instead not devoting that time to preparation for the Clinton presidency?
If that's the case, why the concern? Why do we have 20+ pages of a few members warning us of the dangers of a Trump presidency. If it's 100% in the bag for Clinton, why are all the people worried about Trump instead not devoting that time to preparation for the Clinton presidency?
Because they want her to win THAT BAD. It's hard to fathom, but a gun hating statist elite like Hillary is good for the fearmongering business. There are lots of people in the gun industry who are quite rich because of Obama for eight years. Not every one of them wishes to be freer, but poorer. :(
Romney and HC are flip floppers who can't be trusted but Trump "changed his mind" and gets a pass. Go figure.
Good point but Hillary is not really a flip flopper. You can hear it in the tonality and character of her voice. She has a speech pattern that is consistent no matter what she says. This year, five years back, tomorrow... doesn't mater.
Everyone else will have shrugs, inflections, 'you got me, but'... but not Hillary. She is a machine. A lying machine. She is lacking of a moral soul with her ability lie.
That is quite a bit different than your typical car salesman. She is even now on the verge of making Comey a liar. There is probably some medical term for it but it's not natural. It's not puffery, it's not salesmanship, ... it is some form of mental behavior that she believes so strongly in that she will capture a nation with.
It is the stuff the greatest evils or our collective histories have been made of. It may appear as a flipflop on the surface but I'll bet you have never met a person that was talking shit and you called them on it that they didn't back it down. Hillary would start to paint you as a liar for that. That is not normal, yet that IS Hillary.
Her evil should not be taken lightly even though it may seem similar to every day nature of others as presented through a biased medium.
I hope you are smart enough to realize Trump does business in areas which are 100% controlled by liberal democrats. He has to pay them off to do business.
Isn't this just grand. The guy arguing that we need to accept Trump's prior corruption as a necessary consequence of making a few billion, and his current plan to appoint progressive statists to the highest positions to pay off favors, is now hoping that I'm "smart enough."
Well professor, I'm smart enough to know 1) that is the dumbest thing that I've read this week (congratulations) and 2) you are undermining Trump's big selling point that he can't be bought.
Good luck Einstein - I think you are going to need it.
Because they want her to win THAT BAD. It's hard to fathom, but a gun hating statist elite like Hillary is good for the fearmongering business. There are lots of people in the gun industry who are quite rich because of Obama for eight years. Not every one of them wishes to be freer, but poorer. :(
That's a dangerous game though. That's what Obama did with the insurance industry. The FA industry has risen to a new plateau but even with a Hillary win it is somewhat saturated. If everything gets banned who the hell will invest in it and what value in trade will anything have? The value would be in a revolution. You can't get 85% of the 45% to agree to not elect her. So now what percentage will you get to overthrow her by force? .. all to place a value on some hardware.
That's a rough plan. Especially since she will be giving away college educations, housing, and food.
MountainRaven
08-10-16, 00:26
You do realize there are many conservative men who work in big banks and on wall street in New York who aren't liberals who have had to pay off liberals? They are in a certain set of circumstance due to the business they are in.
We don't have a caste system in this country.
They could be in any business they wanted to be in, wherever they wanted to be in it.
So why do they get a pass? Because they placed the Dollar Almighty before their principals? Politicians do that all the time and are called RINOs. So what makes these bankrollers and enablers of liberal Democrats so different?
If that's the case, why the concern? Why do we have 20+ pages of a few members warning us of the dangers of a Trump presidency. If it's 100% in the bag for Clinton, why are all the people worried about Trump instead not devoting that time to preparation for the Clinton presidency?
The same reason the engineer screams, "No!" right before their train obliterates the fully-laden school bus stalled out on the tracks.
And it's not 100% in the bag for Clinton. She might have a stroke. Somebody might stop spiking Drumpf's drinks with LSD. Every voter over the age of 35 might decide to sleep all day election day and forget to mail their absentee ballots. Maybe Bill will admit on live, national television that Drumpf is an East German deep-cover sleeper agent, Hillary is a Chinese agent, and the real Chelsea is being held against her will by Yakuza in a New York skyscraper and her only hope is a wisecracking off-duty LAPD officer with no shoes.
Not that any of that is particularly likely, but... you know. Hope springs eternal.
and the real Chelsea is being held against her will by Yakuza
I'm pretty sure that's the real Chelsea and the Yakuza said ... "oh hell no"
The same reason the engineer screams, "No!" right before their train obliterates the fully-laden school bus stalled out on the tracks.
And it's not 100% in the bag for Clinton. She might have a stroke. Somebody might stop spiking Drumpf's drinks with LSD. Every voter over the age of 35 might decide to sleep all day election day and forget to mail their absentee ballots. Maybe Bill will admit on live, national television that Drumpf is an East German deep-cover sleeper agent, Hillary is a Chinese agent, and the real Chelsea is being held against her will by Yakuza in a New York skyscraper and her only hope is a wisecracking off-duty LAPD officer with no shoes.
Not that any of that is particularly likely, but... you know. Hope springs eternal.
Absurdities aside, if Clinton is a lock (assuming aliens don't come kidnap her) then why do you care if any of us vote for Trump? It really does sound like more than a few people are worried we are going to somehow screw up the Clinton presidency.
If the message is simply, Trump isn't Reagan...then message received. We already knew that. If you are trying to tell us that Trump is a massive wildcard that seems to just blurt out whatever he is thinking at the moment, we knew that. If you are trying to tell us that he's a long time NY liberal who is just right of Guilliani, well we knew that.
What we don't seem to understand is how he is worse than Clinton. I've been waiting for anyone to explain that to me. Basically I'm willing to vote for "Anyone but Clinton" and right now Trump is the ONLY person who is a potential block.
Like I've said earlier, I think Ted Cruz is a grade A slimeball who was willing to pull all kinds of shit to win and when it came to trust he really was no better than Clinton. He also had far less experience than Clinton but at the same time wasn't really a GOP outsider who was giving the RINO's heart attacks. But even though I personally think he is a reprehensible person, if he got the nomination, I would be voting for him just to try and prevent the Clinton presidency.
I'm a bit amazed that we aren't all on the same page with this one.
Absurdities aside, if Clinton is a lock (assuming aliens don't come kidnap her) then why do you care if any of us vote for Trump? It really does sound like more than a few people are worried we are going to somehow screw up the Clinton presidency.
If the message is simply, Trump isn't Reagan...then message received. We already knew that. If you are trying to tell us that Trump is a massive wildcard that seems to just blurt out whatever he is thinking at the moment, we knew that. If you are trying to tell us that he's a long time NY liberal who is just right of Guilliani, well we knew that.
What we don't seem to understand is how he is worse than Clinton. I've been waiting for anyone to explain that to me. Basically I'm willing to vote for "Anyone but Clinton" and right now Trump is the ONLY person who is a potential block.
I'm a bit amazed that we aren't all on the same page with this one.
Did you ever hear the saying, "the real problem with Obama is not Obama but the 66 million people who voted for him?"
Well, here is a hint: the OPFOR this thread was never concerned with Trump. He is what you'd call a self correcting problem. As for his hardcore supporters, that is a little different story...;)
Did you ever hear the saying, "the real problem with Obama is not Obama but the 66 million people who voted for him?"
Well, here is a hint: the OPFOR this thread was never concerned with Trump. He is what you'd call a self correcting problem. As for his hardcore supporters, that is a little different story...;)
Seems to me I would have fewer concerns with those who vote for Trump than I would those who would vote for Hillary or Obama. Which again reinforces why I'm voting for Trump.
Of course there a "tard contingents" in any camp. The guys running Stormfront made a point of supporting Ron Paul and getting their picture taken with him, of course none of that actually helped Ron Paul very much. Nothing like getting the redneck nazi vote.
And the FSA was salivating at the possible Sanders outcome. He planned to give away the entire candy store. But I don't see the FSA as big Trump supporters, to the contrary most of them seem pretty worried about what might happen.
Hell we have US citizens who happen to be Muslims waving Constitutions at us for the first time...ever really...because they are worried about Trump.
What we don't seem to understand is how he is worse than Clinton. I've been waiting for anyone to explain that to me. Basically I'm willing to vote for "Anyone but Clinton" and right now Trump is the ONLY person who is a potential block.
And you will continue to wait. That question cannot be answered intelligently by anyone who has lived and worked for a living in this country for at least the past 15 years. I've been reading these discussions here and on arf. You read about how divided the country was during the civil war, friend fought friend, neighbor v. neighbot, brother v. brother. You wonder how that was possible. Then you come here and read the strict division between Men who share a common interest and see just how possible that divison can grow to be.
I think most, not all, but most are either affraid of the fact he is a wild card or are mad that their team didn't make the playoff's. The former I imagine is due to conditioning that any major politician should be a career politician. It has pretty much been so for decades and I honestly think they are conditioned to it. The latter to me is just pure juvenile pouting. That anyone cannot put 2 and 2 together and see they are doing their part to elect Clinton by voting 3rd or not voting at all is mind blowing. If it had come down to Cruz or the Independent canidate as having a REALISTIC chance of beating Clinton, I would have no problem voting however to kill her chances. I liken it to someone in WWII who is dead set on being a pilot, but does not make the cut, so he is made a B-17 mechanic. A job just as equally important in winning the war. And that is the goal, us winning and them losing. But he gets pissy and decides to do a half-assed job out of personal spite for not getting what he wanted, which endangers the whole plane and crew.
The problem I have and have always had with the 3rd party is where are they at until election time? If they want me to take them serious for the position of POTUS, they need to be out there every year pushing their values, not just every 4 years. I am by no means a staunch republican. From reading his posts over the years I personally fall more in line with SteyrAUG. That is why I quoted him. Up to this point, all the 3rd party has done is cost vital elections.
I find it very telling when gun guys on here are willingly ready to drive the last nail in the coffin then OTOH I cannot tell you how many women and black people in my area I have seen come out openly against Clinton. I was at a friends house a couple weeks ago and the garbage company that picks up their neighbor's trash pulled up. We were next to the neighbor's yard, and spoke our greetings to the 3 black guys who were walking up to get the trash. One starts a quick conversation and the other 2 join in. He asked who we were voting for. I told him, and he came back with something along these lines.
"I am not going to lie, I voted for Obama twice and so did these 2. We got played. He don't care about us and we know Clinton don't. The only reason I asked is I'm trying to get as many people to vote for Trump as I can..." Not just that, but he briefly spelled out reason after reason why one should vote for Trump, most importantly, vote against Hillary. He had done his homework. It was very refreshing to see some common sense. They even had a Trump sticker on the compactor truck. So who knows, maybe the ones we give up to the 3rd will be picked up by the unexpected cross over votes from the left.
I know one thing. In my life, short of Reagan or Paul, I have not heard a POTUS contender or POTUS himself speak directly about some ugly truths we as Americans are going to have to face one way or another. I cannot ever recall someone actually pointing out the sources of our major issues like he has. We are so conditioned to PC and having beta males as leaders I think many do not know how to react. Some associate a strong leader as an instant Hitleresque person and that is not always the case. The "there are no winners, no losers, everyone gets a trophy" mindset coupled with the left spending decades conditioning people that a strong charactered alpha white male is the worst of the worst causes a lot of people to not know how to take Trump, so that turns them off to him. There have been righteous strong leaders and evil. The only evil I see at this election comes from Illinois.
If this clip has been posted, disregard. If not, seriously listen to it. Think back over your life, how many leaders here in the US do you ever recall speaking directly at the issue at hand like this? Say what you want, but he has gotten further in his life than 99% of the people in Washington. Imagine us being back at the race to build the 1st atom bomb and instead of seeking out the brightest minds on the subject in the world, we rolled with Roosevelt's political pals or donors from the science fields. We even employed the help of our fresh from war enemy scientists, but it got done. Probably wouldn't have been done without them. We are facing that same epic threat, except this time over money. We are in bad shape. Not to mention 2a.
https://youtu.be/OCabT_O0YSM
Well, another good reason to vote for trump is that the latest leak indicates that Hilldog has Dementia, a diagnosis Mrs Nova MD said was reasonable given some of "seizures" on video and the first wikileaks email dump showing her aids saying she was having "nap time" and was "easily confused." She said at minimum she'd call that "moderate cognitive impairment" if not advanced.
Who want's the person with the nuclear football to not be able to name the day of the week it is? I've watched my grandmother go through this for the last 10+ years. When she was not bad off normally but would have some episodes that were really bad.
Well, another good reason to vote for trump is that the latest leak indicates that Hilldog has Dementia, a diagnosis Mrs Nova MD said was reasonable given some of "seizures" on video and the first wikileaks email dump showing her aids saying she was having "nap time" and was "easily confused." She said at minimum she'd call that "moderate cognitive impairment" if not advanced.
Who want's the person with the nuclear football to not be able to name the day of the week it is? I've watched my grandmother go through this for the last 10+ years. When she was not bad off normally but would have some episodes that were really bad.
Can you provide some background on this "latest leak"? Because on the surface, the concept of some organized effort trying to promote that she has dementia smells loudly of more election-year bullshit.
Isn't this just grand. The guy arguing that we need to accept Trump's prior corruption as a necessary consequence of making a few billion, and his current plan to appoint progressive statists to the highest positions to pay off favors, is now hoping that I'm "smart enough."
Well professor, I'm smart enough to know 1) that is the dumbest thing that I've read this week (congratulations) and 2) you are undermining Trump's big selling point that he can't be bought.
Good luck Einstein - I think you are going to need it.
That's all a theoretical principle argument that has no basis in reality.
Can you provide some background on this "latest leak"? Because on the surface, the concept of some organized effort trying to promote that she has dementia smells loudly of more election-year bullshit.
It hasn't hit the officials yet but I bet it will by COB today. Like I say, the wife read through it and said it seems legit so if they're a faker they're a knowledgeable one...
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4wxj5i/hillarys_medical_records_apparently_leaked_on/
Obviously more Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.
I remember the good old days of VRWC, it actually started life as a college prank.
This has both screenshots along with more info on the claimed dementia and it's symptoms. Basically lays out what the wife was telling me earlier today...
http://allnewspipeline.com/Hillary_Clinton_Medical_Records_Released.php
I think most, not all, but most are either affraid of the fact he is a wild card or are mad that their team didn't make the playoff's. The former I imagine is due to conditioning that any major politician should be a career politician. It has pretty much been so for decades and I honestly think they are conditioned to it. The latter to me is just pure juvenile pouting. That anyone cannot put 2 and 2 together and see they are doing their part to elect Clinton by voting 3rd or not voting at all is mind blowing. If it had come down to Cruz or the Independent canidate as having a REALISTIC chance of beating Clinton, I would have no problem voting however to kill her chances. I liken it to someone in WWII who is dead set on being a pilot, but does not make the cut, so he is made a B-17 mechanic. A job just as equally important in winning the war. And that is the goal, us winning and them losing. But he gets pissy and decides to do a half-assed job out of personal spite for not getting what he wanted, which endangers the whole plane and crew.
Most of the conservative and moderate republicans who will not vote for Trump stopped viewing him as a "wildcard" 8 months ago. The fact that ~50 former Republican national security and intelligence officials have signed a letter describing Trump as unfit for office and a threat to national security should tell you this is more than just sour grapes or simple fear of the unknown.
Otherwise, you are correct that we are divided. The Republican Party had just 1 job this past Spring...1 simple job.
Finally, posting links to videos produced by InfoWars will make people think that you are an idiot.
Real talk, what do you want to happen in November, Sensei?
I don't mean that in a snotty way. I am just curious.
Hillary has a hard on for guns and is a total Bitch.
Trump is in it for Trump.
Gary Johnson is simply never, ever, ever going to happen.
So what do you want, man?
It hasn't hit the officials yet but I bet it will by COB today. Like I say, the wife read through it and said it seems legit so if they're a faker they're a knowledgeable one...
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4wxj5i/hillarys_medical_records_apparently_leaked_on/
This has both screenshots along with more info on the claimed dementia and it's symptoms. Basically lays out what the wife was telling me earlier today...
http://allnewspipeline.com/Hillary_Clinton_Medical_Records_Released.php
I have no idea of your wife's medical credentials, but those "records" look like horseshit to me. I've been practicing emergency medicine and critical care medicine for more than a decade. There are several red flags such as no details in physical exam and stating that the dosages of meds will be increased without listing numbers.
Most of the conservative and moderate republicans who will not vote for Trump stopped viewing him as a "wildcard" 8 months ago. The fact that ~50 former Republican national security and intelligence officials have signed a letter describing Trump as unfit for office and a threat to national security should tell you this is more than just sour grapes or simple fear of the unknown.
Otherwise, you are correct that we are divided. The Republican Party had just 1 job this past Spring...1 simple job.
Finally, posting links to videos produced by InfoWars will make people think that you are an idiot.
I could agree with your post about infowars if it had Alex Jones on there showing his ass. If you took the time to look at the video you would see it was completely Trump talking. Talking points that could be posted by anyone. It just so happen that one was compiled by infowars. So before you go down the path of labeling someone an idiot, check out what it is you are referencing first. There is as much infowars in that video as there is in a McDonald's menu.
I have no idea of your wife's medical credentials, but those "records" look like horseshit to me. I've been practicing emergency medicine and critical care medicine for more than a decade. There are several red flags such as no details in physical exam and stating that the dosages of meds will be increased without listing numbers.
Family practice MD. I can't remember what she called them but she said they look like notes you have to keep for insurance/medicare/Medicaid compliance post obamacare for regular patients. May be something you don't have to deal with as an ER doc since (hopefully) you're not seeing the same people over and over again.
Real talk, what do you want to happen in November, Sensei?
I don't mean that in a snotty way. I am just curious.
Hillary has a hard on for guns and is a total Bitch.
Trump is in it for Trump.
Gary Johnson is simply never, ever, ever going to happen.
So what do you want, man?
Can the choir get an Amen! What he said. ^
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