Canada goes Medieval for Assault Weapons

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

3 dead after crossbow attack in Toronto


http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/3-dead-after-crossbow-attack-in-toronto-1.3044118?autoPlay=true

Three people shot with crossbow. Police on the lookout for a guy in shiny armor, riding a horse.

Three people? Must have been an assault or high capacity crossbow.

Strange all-around.

[Firefly]

What the actual fudge?!

[SteyrAUG]

What the actual fudge?!

It seems if you take guns away from dangerous criminals, they remain dangerous criminals and still find a way to inflict harm on other people.

I really, really, really thought this point got driven home on 9-11 when 3,000 people were murdered by terrorists who came armed only with box cutters but I guess people have forgotten. I only wish ONE person on ONE of those planes actually had something like an AR-15 and the willingness to use it. But that would have been dangerous, people might have gotten hurt or killed.

[Firefly]

Okay. I dunno squat about medieval armor. But would some 855 have stopped this crazy person's craziniess?

Or should I get a .308? Or a .50?

[SteyrAUG]

Okay. I dunno squat about medieval armor. But would some 855 have stopped this crazy person's craziniess?

Or should I get a .308? Or a .50?

I'm thinking Renaissance Fair refugee. Seriously though, I think the horse and armor part was a joke.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Yes, horse and armor were a joke. Actually a felt hat with feather and green tights.

It would be fun to light someone up in armor. Especially if it penetrates the first layer and just bounced around.

Perp in custody.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Did he happen to holler aloud; "Aloha Al where's the snackbar!" during his mass crossbowing?

[The_War_Wagon]

It seems if you take guns away from dangerous criminals, they remain dangerous criminals and still find a way to inflict harm on other people.

That's VERY racist/sexist/homophobic/elitist of you. They just need MORE group hugs, and gummint money thrown at them, to make it all better. :rolleyes:

[Arik]

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[Arik]

Okay. I dunno squat about medieval armor. But would some 855 have stopped this crazy person's craziniess?

Or should I get a .308? Or a .50?
You'll be fine with 55gr fmj or a 25acp. The stuff was designed to stop arrows, which is why cross bow was invited. Shoots bolt not arrows


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[williejc]

Why not electrocute them or at least give a good shock?

[MountainRaven]

Okay. I dunno squat about medieval armor. But would some 855 have stopped this crazy person's craziniess?

Or should I get a .308? Or a .50?

We stopped wearing armor because bullets cut through it too easily and the amount of armor needed to stop bullets reliably became prohibitively heavy. Our modern rifle plates are much smaller (but thicker) than the breast plates worn back in the day.

ETA: Corrected expensive to heavy (bolded).

[Averageman]

We stopped wearing armor because bullets cut through it too easily and the amount of armor needed to stop bullets reliably became prohibitively expensive. Our modern rifle plates are much smaller (but thicker) than the breast plates worn back in the day.

I recently saw some pictures of French Soldiers in WWI wearing a full armor breastplate.
Apparently these guys still found them useful, one guy looked like he had taken six or seven good hit based upon the divots in the COM in his plate.

[Arik]

You can always try this

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160826/cf2d2ed2233fa4398e7f4ded8ec608eb.jpg

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[Arik]

I recently saw some pictures of French Soldiers in WWI wearing a full armor breastplate.
Apparently these guys still found them useful, one guy looked like he had taken six or seven good hit based upon the divots in the COM in his plate.
Germans used to use huge steel plates to set up in the no man's land between the opposing trenches and snipe from behind them. They would be practically in the open and the plates would do a great job of stopping incoming rounds. Germans got pretty good at it till the Brits brought out their elephant guns. Turned cover into concealment

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[Averageman]

You can always try this

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160826/cf2d2ed2233fa4398e7f4ded8ec608eb.jpg

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C*ck in a Block or D*ck in a Brick model?

[HeruMew]

Not sure if someone posted this up already:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/crossbow-attack-suspect-was-convicted-in-fake-beard-bandit-case-1.3045249

[Joelski]

Yes, horse and armor were a joke. Actually a felt hat with feather and green tights.

It would be fun to light someone up in armor. Especially if it penetrates the first layer and just bounced around.

Perp in custody.

So, a refugee from Detroit?

:D

[TAZ]

So if like this guy was convicted of the bank robberies in 2009; how the hell is he out and about in 2016??

So guess Canadians need to turn in their crossbows and compound bows soon.

[Arik]

So if like this guy was convicted of the bank robberies in 2009; how the hell is he out and about in 2016??

So guess Canadians need to turn in their crossbows and compound bows soon.
Different sentencing requirements for bank robbery

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[1_click_off]

You'll be fine with 55gr fmj or a 25acp. The stuff was designed to stop arrows, which is why cross bow was invited. Shoots bolt not arrows


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Your crossbow may shoot bolts, mine takes arrows.

[Arik]

Your crossbow may shoot bolts, mine takes arrows.
I don't have a cross bow but when that armor was in use they originally shot bolts

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160826/8b7d8e313c12abcd23a9e54c7621f524.jpg

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[Jellybean]

You'll be fine with 55gr fmj or a 25acp. The stuff was designed to stop arrows, which is why cross bow was invited. Shoots bolt not arrows


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History topic drift;

I was under the impression it was the bodkin point not crossbows? IIRC ye olde English longbowman would have been perfectly capable of taking down an armoured opponent with the new AP round.
Crossbow was just the "everyman's weapon" like Sam Colt made 'em all equal.

[26 Inf]

I know this is not a spelling bee, but would someone correct the title? It is making me bang my football helmet against the table and I think they are getting ready to give me a shot.

[1_click_off]

I don't have a cross bow but when that armor was in use they originally shot bolts

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160826/8b7d8e313c12abcd23a9e54c7621f524.jpg

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Google PSE Tac15

[MegademiC]

Google PSE Tac15

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/815846/pse-tac-15i-crossbow-package-with-hawke-2-7x-32mm-adjustable-objective-scope-black

It shoots bolts.

Edit: modern crossbow ammo could probably be called either

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossbow_bolt

[Arik]

Google PSE Tac15
Package Contents*

TAC Carrying Case
UTG Bipod3 TAC
Carbon Crossbow Bolts
Hawke 2-7x 32mm Adjustable Objective Crossbow Scope

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[Benito]

They're gonna ban crossbows now.
Just watch.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I know this is not a spelling bee, but would someone correct the title? It is making me bang my football helmet against the table and I think they are getting ready to give me a shot.

I swear to god that I put it into google. The problem is that there is an alternate spelling or something that popped up. It looked wrong, but I never question Google. I don't know why my browser didn't catch it.

[daniel87]

You can always try this

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Cinderpiece, A variant of the codpiece

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[daniel87]

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/815846/pse-tac-15i-crossbow-package-with-hawke-2-7x-32mm-adjustable-objective-scope-black

It shoots bolts.

Edit: modern crossbow ammo could probably be called either

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossbow_bolt
Imho bolts din't have fletching, while arrows did.

Now its all about length and the type of broad head used. Im pretty sure you cant interchange them.

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[1_click_off]

Ok, maybe I started something I shouldn't have....

But the Tac 15 takes arrows, as far as I know it is the only crossbow that takes arrows. Midway most likely listed them as bolts because bolts typically come with crossbows OR maybe the newer tac15 bows come with bolts as I see mine looks to be discontinued.

The Tac 15 has a traditional nock that clips onto the string, every bolt I have ever seen has just a little divot that simply keeps the string on the back of the arrow while fireing. These crossbows also have a small metal/plastic tab that presses down on the bolt to hold it in the trough after it has been cocked. The Tac15 does not have this since the arrow has a clip on style nock. Not by the package right now, but I remember them being marked as arrows on it.

Decent write up on it below.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2010/9/7/pse-tac-15/

The factory trigger is horrible. I replaced it with a Timney. Next stop is to remove the whisker biscuit and get a falling rest. This will help with the harmonics of the arrow while being launched. Nothing will touch the arrow except the string. This also increases speed due to the reduced friction of the arrow no longer passing through the whisker biscuit.

Edit: more useless info that I found neat.

I haven't chrono'ed the bow yet but it is advertised ~410 fps. With that speed and amount of mass from the arrows it would penatrate through my first run of the mill target up to the fletching at 35 yards. It would hit so hard and fast the inside medium of the target would melt into a big glob on the outside of the arrow. Had to scrape blue melted plastic off the arrow. So I researched and found a target that was rated for the speed of the arrows. Would like to know the mass of the arrow they certified the target with. This target helped with the melting issue, but still over penatrate. I was able to change from field tips to bullet tips and that seemed to be the ticket to be able to retrieve arrows at a somewhat normal effort.

This bow seems to be more for target or long range hunting in my opinion. The typical deer hunter that is making a 30-40yd shot I way over bowed. Second shot if the first misses its mark takes a little finesse. This thing is loud when cocked. Sounds like a mini rollercoaster when working the hand crank. Now you can pull the safety latch back and crank silent if you are able. You are just holding the full crank force through the entire rotation of the handle where most will slightly adjust grip on every rotation. Completely doable if you practice it at least once.

[MountainRaven]

Crossbow bolt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossbow_bolt
Arrow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow

A bolt or quarrel is an arrow shot from a crossbow.


I recently saw some pictures of French Soldiers in WWI wearing a full armor breastplate.
Apparently these guys still found them useful, one guy looked like he had taken six or seven good hit based upon the divots in the COM in his plate.


Germans used to use huge steel plates to set up in the no man's land between the opposing trenches and snipe from behind them. They would be practically in the open and the plates would do a great job of stopping incoming rounds. Germans got pretty good at it till the Brits brought out their elephant guns. Turned cover into concealment

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WWI saw the beginning of the development of modern body armor as a means of attempting to break the deadlock of trench warfare on the Western Front. This continued into the 1920s, where armors were developed for use by police (and sometimes - probably more often - criminals) during the days of Bonnie & Clyde, John Dillinger, &c.

Too heavy to be particularly mobile (or even necessarily comfortable), such armor did not see widespread use until it evolved into the "flak jacket" used by bomber crews in WWII. As the technology got better, it became available to infantry on a limited basis, only achieving widespread use in the last days of the war in Korea.

However, this armor was devised to chiefly protect against shrapnel, not bullets. Ditto-ditto the steel helmets worn from WWI onward.

Still, the use of armor plate by infantry pretty much fell to the wayside by the 1650s, when the weight of such armor as was capable of defeating the firearms and muskets of the time became such that infantry wore only a breastplate while those who wore full armor had to ride massive, specially-bred and trained warhorses fitted with similar armor. During this period, it became common practice to test the armor by actually shooting it, with the dent where the bullet struck being used as proof of the armor's ability to defeat incoming enemy fire.

In fact, it's probable that the image of the French soldiers with the pock-marked armor from WWI is probably from a similar test. And it is probably safer to assume that the armor worn in this period (as with the armor worn by cuirassiers from the Napoleonic wars to the beginning of WWI) was more geared toward defending against shrapnel - the chief agent of injury and death throughout most of the modern period - rather than to stop .323-diameter projectiles traveling 2500 feet per second.