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Averageman
08-27-16, 17:15
This had to be one very unique young Man, God Rest his Soul.
http://weaponsman.com/?p=34540
No disrespect to the illustrated Ranger, SSG Avonye Chisolm. But he could have been in a pretty safe job — he was a kid with a GED who joined the Army to be a Culinary Specialist, which is what the bureaucracy calls a cook. Thousands of kids do that every year.
But… if you look at the image, you’ll see the rare combination (but fully earned on his part) of the tan Ranger beret and cook’s whites. Because he wasn’t content to sit in a mess hall (“dining facility”) and sling hash through the boring expedient of opening tray-packs.
He volunteered, and took on a challenge, and kept volunteering. Five times he went overseas to Operation Enduring Freedom. He attended the tough Ranger Assessment and Selection Program (RASP-1) with a cohort of would-be Rangers from combat and support specialties alike, and completed the course. (A continuation, RASP-2, is demanded of combat leaders only).
41171
I've never seen a Ranger in Cooks Whites.
This had to be one very unique young Man, God Rest his Soul.
http://weaponsman.com/?p=34540
No disrespect to the illustrated Ranger, SSG Avonye Chisolm. But he could have been in a pretty safe job — he was a kid with a GED who joined the Army to be a Culinary Specialist, which is what the bureaucracy calls a cook. Thousands of kids do that every year.
But… if you look at the image, you’ll see the rare combination (but fully earned on his part) of the tan Ranger beret and cook’s whites. Because he wasn’t content to sit in a mess hall (“dining facility”) and sling hash through the boring expedient of opening tray-packs.
He volunteered, and took on a challenge, and kept volunteering. Five times he went overseas to Operation Enduring Freedom. He attended the tough Ranger Assessment and Selection Program (RASP-1) with a cohort of would-be Rangers from combat and support specialties alike, and completed the course. (A continuation, RASP-2, is demanded of combat leaders only).
41171
I've never seen a Ranger in Cooks Whites.
Every unit has POGs, even Rangers and SF.
I guess RASP is what they are calling RIP these days.
Every unit has POGs, even Rangers and SF.
I guess RASP is what they are calling RIP these days.
That's a tad disrespectful. Didn't he pass the same requirements as everyone else for the Ranger tab? Or did he have to cook a really nice cake?
Also everyone knows the only MOS for retired special ops dudes is a cook, haven't you seen "Under Seige"? Dude is probably Delta like a Mofo.
The_War_Wagon
08-27-16, 19:18
Also everyone knows the only MOS for retired special ops dudes is a cook, haven't you seen "Under Seige"? Dude is probably Delta like a Mofo.
That was my FIRST thought, when I saw he was a cook. A lowly, lowly, cook... ;)
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/siege_00.jpg
Requiescat in pace, SOLDIER.
I wish to say something. Being a "mere" cook is no small thing. A warm meal after a long day does a lot.
Here is someone who could've been a chump. GED means he did not graduate traditional high school. He decided that he wanted to be a cook, but along the way picked up a Tab and jump wings.
And died on a jump. He decided he was going to be worth something.
Why the President isn't claiming him as a son and why more people don't know about this man is baffling.
Well, I feel poorly because he was a young guy who was making it happen and anyone who jumps out of a plane for a job is a better man than I.
If I ever ride in a plane or whatever, I have to kind of leave my body in a zen way until it lands.
So, respect.
This young mans story is the cure for our nations current social ills.
He should be celebrated as what a GENUINE "hard mofo" looks like.
RIP, Ranger.
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This young mans story is the cure for our nations current social ills.
He should be celebrated as what a GENUINE "hard mofo" looks like.
RIP, Ranger.
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If ever I had unlimited powers I would have everyone with "street cred" try to run a basic Ranger course and watch them fall out like flies.
I wish to say something. Being a "mere" cook is no small thing. A warm meal after a long day does a lot.
Here is someone who could've been a chump. GED means he did not graduate traditional high school. He decided that he wanted to be a cook, but along the way picked up a Tab and jump wings.
And died on a jump. He decided he was going to be worth something.
Why the President isn't claiming him as a son and why more people don't know about this man is baffling.
Well, I feel poorly because he was a young guy who was making it happen and anyone who jumps out of a plane for a job is a better man than I.
If I ever ride in a plane or whatever, I have to kind of leave my body in a zen way until it lands.
So, respect.
Agreed. In the Corps, they selected Marines throughout the base to work the chow hall for a few weeks at a time. My number got drawn and I developed a newfound respect for those who worked there every day.
We have this young man and then we have Colin Kaepernick today.
I know where my respect is directed.
RIP Ranger.
That's a tad disrespectful. Didn't he pass the same requirements as everyone else for the Ranger tab? Or did he have to cook a really nice cake?
Also everyone knows the only MOS for retired special ops dudes is a cook, haven't you seen "Under Seige"? Dude is probably Delta like a Mofo.
With your last sentence....I hope you're joking. A Steven Seagal movie??? Really??
I intended no disrespect with my post. The OP seemed incredulous that a cook could be a Ranger and I merely pointed out that ALL units have POGs in them. You have to have support units to function.
You mention a tab, but that has nothing to do with serving in a Ranger Battalion. Most people I've met with Ranger tabs have never served one day in a Ranger Battalion. It is a leadership course completely independent of being assigned to 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Ranger Battalion.
Now, if you are in a Battalion you WILL go to Ranger school at some point (completely separate from what was known as "RIP" in my time, what you had to make it through to get into a Ranger Battalion) and usually if you don't pass you get kicked down to a regular Airborne unit like the one I was in.
This young man being an E-6 in a Ranger Battalion almost assuredly DID have a Ranger tab though. I sincerely doubt he would have made NCO otherwise, cook or not.
I wish to say something. Being a "mere" cook is no small thing. A warm meal after a long day does a lot.
Here is someone who could've been a chump. GED means he did not graduate traditional high school. He decided that he wanted to be a cook, but along the way picked up a Tab and jump wings.
And died on a jump. He decided he was going to be worth something.
Why the President isn't claiming him as a son and why more people don't know about this man is baffling.
Well, I feel poorly because he was a young guy who was making it happen and anyone who jumps out of a plane for a job is a better man than I.
If I ever ride in a plane or whatever, I have to kind of leave my body in a zen way until it lands.
So, respect.
My thoughts exactly. RIP Ranger
Agreed. In the Corps, they selected Marines throughout the base to work the chow hall for a few weeks at a time. My number got drawn and I developed a newfound respect for those who worked there every day.
As a POG, I really don't take offense to any of the jokes, I served at the pleasure of the Marine Corps and for all my sins they gave me a job that pays well in the real world. Having said that I've seen cooks and other personal be valuable assets not do to their MOS but because of the uniform they wore. Good on this guy, I wish him the best and can only think that he will one day go on to improve this country because of the man he is and not the rank or job he did.
As a POG, I really don't take offense to any of the jokes, I served at the pleasure of the Marine Corps and for all my sins they gave me a job that pays well in the real world. Having said that I've seen cooks and other personal be valuable assets not do to their MOS but because of the uniform they wore. Good on this guy, I wish him the best and can only think that he will one day go on to improve this country because of the man he is and not the rank or job he did.
He died on a jump. Not a combat jump. Simply a regular, keep jump status jump.
He is certainly worth remembering as a good example, but sadly he is no more.
Averageman
08-27-16, 22:35
We have this young man and then we have Colin Kaepernick today.
I know where my respect is directed.
RIP Ranger.
http://www.aol.com/article/2016/08/27/nfls-49ers-support-quarterback-after-he-refused-to-stand-for-an/21459998/?cps=gravity_4816_7195066736961625940
Kaepernick, a former starter who led San Francisco to the 2013 Super Bowl but has since been demoted to backup, said he sat on the bench during the playing of "The Star-Spangled Banner" to make a statement about racial injustice in the United States.
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick later told NFL Media in an article posted on Saturday. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way."
This scumbag would know selfless service if 200lbs of it crawled up his A$$.
I really don't care to hear of some dumbass adult making a living playing children's games in a thread dedicated to a fallen Ranger. I am aware of the dumbassery and every dollar I ever got in my life said "United States of America" so if you want to make a real statement, turn all that money over to getting some predominately black schools better teachers, gear, supplies, and security. Otherwise, do as the Romans do.
The white, or non-black rather, officer does more for black neighborhoods than the professional whiners. Until someone has had to say "Sorry, mom. Tremaine is dead." IDGAF about someone's political "protests"
Averageman
08-27-16, 22:57
That young Man could have done a lot of things with his life.
I'm going to go way out their on a limb and tell you had he survived, he would have flourished. He would be the neighbor you actually want. The guy coaching your kids team that is fair and unbiased. The guy that actually makes a difference.
Instead he died and he died upholding a standard. That Tab wasn't a prerequisite for the job, that was far above and beyond what your even excellent "pouge" will ever do.
God Bless him and his family, we are honored as a Nation to have such fine young Men.
That young Man could have done a lot of things with his life.
I'm going to go way out their on a limb and tell you had he survived, he would have flourished. He would be the neighbor you actually want. The guy coaching your kids team that is fair and unbiased. The guy that actually makes a difference.
Instead he died and he died upholding a standard. That Tab wasn't a prerequisite for the job, that was far above and beyond what your even excellent "pouge" will ever do.
God Bless him and his family, we are honored as a Nation to have such fine young Men.
This. You can tell he had plans and intended to see them through.
With your last sentence....I hope you're joking. A Steven Seagal movie??? Really??
I intended no disrespect with my post. The OP seemed incredulous that a cook could be a Ranger and I merely pointed out that ALL units have POGs in them. You have to have support units to function.
You mention a tab, but that has nothing to do with serving in a Ranger Battalion. Most people I've met with Ranger tabs have never served one day in a Ranger Battalion. It is a leadership course completely independent of being assigned to 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Ranger Battalion.
Now, if you are in a Battalion you WILL go to Ranger school at some point (completely separate from what was known as "RIP" in my time, what you had to make it through to get into a Ranger Battalion) and usually if you don't pass you get kicked down to a regular Airborne unit like the one I was in.
This young man being an E-6 in a Ranger Battalion almost assuredly DID have a Ranger tab though. I sincerely doubt he would have made NCO otherwise, cook or not.
Most people use POG in a less than flattering way, if that isn't how you intended it then fine. I never suggested he was in a Ranger Battalion, I only pointed out he earned a tab just like everyone else who has one and it isn't easy.
As for Under Siege, obvious joke regarding cooks.
That young Man could have done a lot of things with his life.
I'm going to go way out their on a limb and tell you had he survived, he would have flourished. He would be the neighbor you actually want. The guy coaching your kids team that is fair and unbiased. The guy that actually makes a difference.
Instead he died and he died upholding a standard. That Tab wasn't a prerequisite for the job, that was far above and beyond what your even excellent "pouge" will ever do.
God Bless him and his family, we are honored as a Nation to have such fine young Men.
Yeah, that's where I'm at.
With your last sentence....I hope you're joking. A Steven Seagal movie??? Really??
I intended no disrespect with my post. The OP seemed incredulous that a cook could be a Ranger and I merely pointed out that ALL units have POGs in them. You have to have support units to function.
You mention a tab, but that has nothing to do with serving in a Ranger Battalion. Most people I've met with Ranger tabs have never served one day in a Ranger Battalion. It is a leadership course completely independent of being assigned to 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Ranger Battalion.
Now, if you are in a Battalion you WILL go to Ranger school at some point (completely separate from what was known as "RIP" in my time, what you had to make it through to get into a Ranger Battalion) and usually if you don't pass you get kicked down to a regular Airborne unit like the one I was in.
This young man being an E-6 in a Ranger Battalion almost assuredly DID have a Ranger tab though. I sincerely doubt he would have made NCO otherwise, cook or not.
Most people use POG in a less than flattering way, if that isn't how you intended it then fine. I never suggested he was in a Ranger Battalion, I only pointed out he earned a tab just like everyone else who has one and it isn't easy.
As for Under Siege, obvious joke regarding cooks.
The article states he was a member of 1/75.
You guys have me confused...that's Ranger Regiment, correct? If he was in the Regiment, he was a Ranger like all Rangers?
Not that it matters, just trying to understand.
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The article states he was a member of 1/75.
You guys have me confused...that's Ranger Regiment, correct? If he was in the Regiment, he was a Ranger like all Rangers?
Not that it matters, just trying to understand.
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Correct, seeing as the jump was out of Hunter Army Airfield then that means he was a Ranger out of Ft Stewart which is where 1st Battalion is. 2nd is at Fr Lewis, 3rd is at Benning.
I only brought up the difference between Ranger School and being an actual Ranger because Steyr (like many civilians) seemed like he didn't know the difference in his post.
Averageman
08-28-16, 12:55
Correct, seeing as the jump was out of Hunter Army Airfield then that means he was a Ranger out of Ft Stewart which is where 1st Battalion is. 2nd is at Fr Lewis, 3rd is at Benning.
I only brought up the difference between Ranger School and being an actual Ranger because Steyr (like many civilians) seemed like he didn't know the difference in his post.
The other difference might be that your support units in a Ranger Battalion do not need to go through Ranger School to be a Support Soldier in these units. Those folks making sure you have your beans and bullets are just that, bean and bullet pushers, they aren't for the most part (and only very rarely) Rangers or SF qualified.
That the guy flipping your eggs in the morning gave enough of a damn to go to Ranger School rather than set on his nice clean Cook's Whites ass and follow his career progression to a nice E-7 retirement speaks volumes for his drive and integrity.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree about his will to take it a step further than he had to.
Ranger/Cook = badass all day, everyday... RIP
The other difference might be that your support units in a Ranger Battalion do not need to go through Ranger School to be a Support Soldier in these units. Those folks making sure you have your beans and bullets are just that, bean and bullet pushers, they aren't for the most part (and only very rarely) Rangers or SF qualified.
That the guy flipping your eggs in the morning gave enough of a damn to go to Ranger School rather than set on his nice clean Cook's Whites ass and follow his career progression to a nice E-7 retirement speaks volumes for his drive and integrity.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree about his will to take it a step further than he had to.
We aren't disagreeing on anything. He was a Ranger in 1st Battalion and sadly lost his life on a training jump.
I just saw a few posts that seemed like people didn't know how the Army works or the difference between Ranger School and serving in a Ranger Battalion and tried to clear it up but due to the number of angry PMs I'm getting and posts saying I'm trying to disagree that he deserves admiration I guess it's time for me to exit.
I respect anyone that even tries to get into the 75 Ranger Regiment or Ranger school even if they didn't make it through RIP or PRC or Ranger School itself. Not everyone makes it through and oftentimes its not because you weren't "hard" enough but suffered a legitimate injury even made just a dumb mistake (lost something) or had a moment of unclear thinking due to lack of sleep.
We aren't disagreeing on anything. He was a Ranger in 1st Battalion and sadly lost his life on a training jump.
I just saw a few posts that seemed like people didn't know how the Army works or the difference between Ranger School and serving in a Ranger Battalion and tried to clear it up but due to the number of angry PMs I'm getting and posts saying I'm trying to disagree that he deserves admiration I guess it's time for me to exit.
I respect anyone that even tries to get into the 75 Ranger Regiment or Ranger school even if they didn't make it through RIP or PRC or Ranger School itself. Not everyone makes it through and oftentimes its not because you weren't "hard" enough but suffered a legitimate injury even made just a dumb mistake (lost something) or had a moment of unclear thinking due to lack of sleep.
You were the one who threw out words like "POG" and "support unit." All I said was a Ranger tab is a Ranger tab and they don't hand out participation versions.
My exact statement was "Didn't he pass the same requirements as everyone else for the Ranger tab? Or did he have to cook a really nice cake?"
At no time did I try to suggest he was a member of any specific unit, only that he qualified for a Ranger tab. Please don't try to pass off your initial dismissive comments regarding this individual on to me or try to suggest I was somehow confused about something and you were clearing it up.
Can someone answer a question for me? Was he tabbed? I read the article and it mentions RIP (or whatever they call it now), and in the pic he has the scrolls, but I didn't see a Ranger Tab.
Not knocking the guy at all, just wondering if he was actually a tabbed dude. The scroll isn't a Ranger Tab. Couldn't get the pic large enough to see it though.
Please keep this thread about the fallen Soldier/Ranger, his service, and unit. Discussion of race, social outrage, and member spats herein have concluded.
Averageman
08-28-16, 17:21
It doesn't look like he had earned his Tab yet.
Follow the links gives no mention of it, it appears he had graduated RASP.
It doesn't look like he had earned his Tab yet.
Follow the links gives no mention of it, it appears he had graduated RASP.
Probably had to complete RASP just to be assigned to Batt. I would guess they reserve Ranger School slots for the non-support guys, i.e. the combat arms guys. Gotta figure, not only are there Batt dudes waiting for Ranger School slots but all those lieutenants who get sent there who are not going to Ranger Batt and a few Marine and foreign slots too. Hell, even so, living the Batt life for as many years as he did my hat's off to him! He was probably the most high-speed spoon in the Army! He certainly has my respect.
RIP soldier.
SeriousStudent
08-28-16, 19:07
When we were late coming back out of the field, and a Corporal kept the chow hall open, I was thankful.
When we were dry as a bone with dust in our canteens, and a pair of PFC's showed up with a water buffalo, I was appreciative.
When two Lance Coolies drove up with a six-by, and we did not have to hump all the way back to the armory to clean weapons, I said nice things to them.
Support people are exactly that - support. They help, they assist, they enable the mission to be successful. They are a critical element to success. And this young Soldier made six deployments overseas, to support that mission.
My thoughts and prayers are with that young Staff Sergeant, his family, and his Ranger buddies.
RLTW.
When we were late coming back out of the field, and a Corporal kept the chow hall open, I was thankful.
When we were dry as a bone with dust in our canteens, and a pair of PFC's showed up with a water buffalo, I was appreciative.
When two Lance Coolies drove up with a six-by, and we did not have to hump all the way back to the armory to clean weapons, I said nice things to them.
Support people are exactly that - support. They help, they assist, they enable the mission to be successful. They are a critical element to success. And this young Soldier made six deployments overseas, to support that mission.
My thoughts and prayers are with that young Staff Sergeant, his family, and his Ranger buddies.
RLTW.
Amen!
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