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FlyingHunter
10-04-16, 19:50
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/04/prvi-partizan-recalls-6-5-grendel-ammo-brass/

Recently, Prvi Partizan (aka PPU) announced a complete recall of 6.5 Grendel ammunition and brass that it made. Typically, when a company recalls ammunition, it is limited to a specific lot number or load. In this case, the recall is for “ALL 6.5 Grendel ammunition” (emphasis theirs) and brass.

The announcement includes the two loads the company currently makes: a 110 gr FMJBT and a 120 gr HPBT.

According to the company, the recall is “Because of different chamber sizes in certain rifles” that could cause “excessive chamber pressure.” I find it curious that instead of issuing a warning that the ammunition should not be fired in a 6.5 Grendel rifle from Brand X, the company instead undertakes what will likely be an expensive recall.
Leaveammoforme
10-04-16, 20:55
Good on PPU. Noticed an ongoing issue and created an actual fix. Could've just as easily blamed the handful of guns that were destined to KB.

Instills confidence in using their ammo, to me anyways.
AssGasOrBrass
10-07-16, 00:45
Would this apply to once fired brass that could be reloaded?


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Leaveammoforme
10-07-16, 02:13
Would this apply to once fired brass that could be reloaded?


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Yes.


Also curious is that the company states “If you have any 6.5 Grendel ammunition or brass manufactured by PPU…” you should contact the company to “…arrange for its return and replacement.” (again – emphasis theirs) This could suggest a metallurgical problem with the brass.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/04/prvi-partizan-recalls-6-5-grendel-ammo-brass/
Bret
10-07-16, 10:30
It's got to be that we're only hearing part of the story. Am I correct to assume that there is a SAAMI and/or C.I.P. specification for the 6.5 Grendel? If so, the ammo either meets that specification or it doesn't. Rifles either meet that specification or they don't. Recalling the ammo because somebody screwed up rifles does not make sense. I guess I'll be sending mine back. I'm taking forever to build my rifle, so I guess that's a good thing.
williejc
10-07-16, 20:14
Browsing the 6.5 Grendel forum will reveal a vast number of problems with this caliber in ARs. My guess is that the ammo manufacturer elected to get out while it could rather than stay and be blamed for somebody else's mechanical failures.
AssGasOrBrass
10-07-16, 20:42
Here is the contact email for anyone interested: info@ppu-usa.com

Personality I have never had any issues with PPU ammo shooting it from my .264 LBC BHW barrel. Not exactly an accurate round but fine for plinking. Not trying to get off topic but I don't know what the differences are between the Grendel variants: Grendel type 1/ Grendel type 2 (which I believe is the SAMMI Spec) and .264 LBC. I have read that "Grendel" is trademarked by Alexander Arms so barrel makers use the .264 LBC Chamber to avoid paying licensing fee... not sure if that's true or not or if it has any relevance to the recall.


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Bret
10-08-16, 09:41
There's no mention of this on AlexanderArms website. They're still offering Wolf Gold 6.5 Grendel for sale which I'm pretty sure was made by PPU.
anachronism
10-09-16, 19:30
A friend of mine had a major case failure with this ammo. The bolt head in his AR has to be replaced, and the jurys still out on the barrel. We originally thought it fired out of battery, but a case failure could cause the same issue.

2000 rounds of the stuff is going back, along with the remaining cases. We'll see what happens next, the rifle was definitely no cheapie plinker.
AssGasOrBrass
10-11-16, 17:43
Below is the reply I received after emailing PPU regarding the recall. I don't have receipts for my ammo/brass and most of what I have is once fired brass so I guess no refund or exchange for me. They have discontinued 6.5 Grendel. My theory is that this is related to paying/not paying royalties to AA for the use of the "Grendel" trademark. I am guessing some legal action was taken against them resulting in the recall. Just a theory....

Below is e-mail received from PPU's US distributor.

Hello,

Thank you for taking time to contact us.
We currently offer two options:
1. Reimbursement for the unfired ammunition or brass (Please, provide the receipts)
2. Exchange for another caliber (we do not offer 6.5 Grendel - it is discontinued)
In order to receive reimbursement or exchange, we will need to receive 6.5 Grendel to our warehouse.

Please, return the unfired ammo and/or brass via UPS or FedEx to the following address:

TR&Z USA Trading Corp.
1370 Honeyspot Rd Extension Building B
Stratford, CT 06615

We will reimburse for shipping to us ( please, e-mail the receipt).
We will send a check or replacement ammunition as soon as we will receive a return.
Please, include all your contact information with the returned ammunition.
If you have any questions, please, do not hesitate to contact me any time.

Thank you

Best Regards,

Nijole Inkrata
TR&Z USA Trading Corp.


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Macht
10-11-16, 19:33
Below is the reply I received after emailing PPU regarding the recall. I don't have receipts for my ammo/brass and most of what I have is once fired brass so I guess no refund or exchange for me. They have discontinued 6.5 Grendel. My theory is that this is related to paying/not paying royalties to AA for the use of the "Grendel" trademark. I am guess some legal action was taken against them resulting in the recall.

Below is e-mail received from PPU's US distributor.

Hello,

Thank you for taking time to contact us.
We currently offer two options:
1. Reimbursement for the unfired ammunition or brass (Please, provide the receipts)
2. Exchange for another caliber (we do not offer 6.5 Grendel - it is discontinued)
In order to receive reimbursement or exchange, we will need to receive 6.5 Grendel to our warehouse.

Please, return the unfired ammo and/or brass via UPS or FedEx to the following address:

TR&Z USA Trading Corp.
1370 Honeyspot Rd Extension Building B
Stratford, CT 06615

We will reimburse for shipping to us ( please, e-mail the receipt).
We will send a check or replacement ammunition as soon as we will receive a return.
Please, include all your contact information with the returned ammunition.
If you have any questions, please, do not hesitate to contact me any time.

Thank you

Best Regards,

Nijole Inkrata
TR&Z USA Trading Corp.


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There is no evidence that they are discontinuing the Grendel line, and it certainly wasn't due to a trademark. That went the way of the dodo once the Grendel went SAAMI.

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Bret
10-11-16, 19:45
Umm, I think he just provided evidence in the form of an email from PPU's US distributor.

The fact that they want receipts in order to refund money leads me to believe that it's not a safety issue. If it was, then they'd offer value that easily more than the ammo was purchased for in order to get it back.
Macht
10-11-16, 19:49
Umm, I think he just provided evidence in the form of an email from PPU's US distributor.

The fact that they want receipts in order to refund money leads me to believe that it's not a safety issue. If it was, then they'd offer value that easily more than the ammo was purchased for in order to get it back.
Given that there is evidence that Serbia will be adopting the Grendel as a military cartridge in some capacity, I highly doubt that a Serbian ammo manufacturer will discontinue that same cartridge.

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AssGasOrBrass
10-21-16, 03:03
Given that there is evidence that Serbia will be adopting the Grendel as a military cartridge in some capacity, I highly doubt that a Serbian ammo manufacturer will discontinue that same cartridge.

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I would not be surprised if PPU (who has discontinued 6.5 Grendel per the email I received) simply rebrands their Grendel Ammo to .264 LBC, or .264 AR... something that's not trademarked but compatible with all Grendel type chambering. I guess only time will tell.


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pinzgauer
10-21-16, 04:35
I would not be surprised if PPU (who has discontinued 6.5 Grendel per the email I received) simply rebrands their Grendel Ammo to .264 LBC, or .264 AR... something that's not trademarked but compatible with all Grendel type chambering. I guess only time will tell.

Grendel is not trademarked and has been a SAAMI cartridge for years

There are mfgs (LBC) that wanted a tighter neck and different throat and labeled theirs 264 LBC. But they shoot the same ammo/brass

My brother and I have SAAMI chambers and have never had an issue with the wolf Grendel ammo, or any other for that matter
AssGasOrBrass
10-21-16, 19:27
Grendel is not trademarked and has been a SAAMI cartridge for years

There are mfgs (LBC) that wanted a tighter neck and different throat and labeled theirs 264 LBC. But they shoot the same ammo/brass

My brother and I have SAAMI chambers and have never had an issue with the wolf Grendel ammo, or any other for that matter

According to this article (link below) "Grendel" is a trademark held by Alexander Arms. Companies using the Grendel name must pay royalties to AA.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/03/26/264-lbc-ar-a-grendel-clone/

I have a .265 LBC chamber barrel and also have not had any issues with Grendel Ammo and have tried everything that's commercially available .


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pinzgauer
10-22-16, 07:35
According to this article (link below) "Grendel" is a trademark held by Alexander Arms. Companies using the Grendel name must pay royalties to AA.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/03/26/264-lbc-ar-a-grendel-clone/


That article was very Inaccurate in 2010 and totally wrong now.

Originally trademarked, but royalties were not the reason. Or apparently ever collected.

Just required an agreement not to deviate the chamber, abide by bolt design, etc.

All that was dropped when the cartridge was submitted to saami

TFB has been wrong on many things, not just Grendel. And had a particular axe to grind on Grendel for some reason
Bret
05-20-17, 19:11
Is there any update on the availability of brass cased 6.5 Grendel? I recently purchased a 6.5 Grendel chambered Vepr (which is marked 6.5x39) and 3k rounds of Wolf steel cased ammo. All would be well, but the Wolf bullet jackets are bimetal and my local indoor range won't allow it. Hornady seems to be the only brass cased ammo available, but it's expensive.
https://s27.postimg.org/x80jdaheb/6.5_Grendel_Vepr_with_Galil_mag.jpg
No, the Galil mag won't feed.
AssGasOrBrass
06-14-17, 02:35
Federal also make Grendel Ammo but $$$
geoleo3
06-14-17, 16:09
Do we know if they'll ever re-make the PPU (with improvements of course)? Brass Grendel's are so freaking expensive!!