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The Dumb Gun Collector
10-09-16, 22:59
Well,
I broke down and bought another Beretta. I sold off my old WC Beretta a while back for no good reason. Then thieves stole My Cz Sp-01 which left me without a metal 9mm. I was going to get another SP-01 but I kept thinking about this SD that a little shop out in the boonies had sitting on the shelf. So, I got it.
As you probably know, this model has some history going back a while, being the brainchild (I believe) of Super Dave Harrington and possibly the late Todd Green (less sure of that). It has...
Heavy Brigadier slide,
G-style decocker-only lever,
replaceable night sights, extended mag-release button,
beveled mag-well,
Picatinny rail
They are kind of pricey ($1050 for mine) and the WC Berettas have sort of overshadowed them.
Initial thoughts..
1. The trigger is heavier than the WC, but actually quite smooth, maybe smother than the WC and without a doubt smother than the CZ. I am going to flat-out say the trigger is mechanically perfect. There is zero grit, resistance, etc. It feels like a gun that has 2k rounds down range.
2. The slide is very smooth. My old WC was very tight and I suspect it was a bit more accurate.
3. It has three dots. While I typically prefer front dot only, I have stopped buying guns without factory night sights. I am just over fooling with it. I can't tell you the number of half-assed sight installs I have seen. This are perfectly installed and staked in place.
I shot 200 rounds WWB, 50 Rounds Ranger 125+P and about 5 rounds of Gold dots. I shot it side by side with my friend's Sp-01 and we both agreed the Beretta, weirdly, had a lower recoil impulse (both were great, btw). The grip on the CZ was better. The first 100 shots I ran with an X200 just to see if it would cause any issues (nah).
Not only were there no malfunctions, but the gun was so smooth you basically can't feel it feeding. I guess Beretta has figured out how to get these things running smooth.
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Very nice.
Still consider that to be about the most perfect Beretta 92 that was ever made. It is just right. Why they decided that they shouldn't make it a standard offering I don't know.
Now, just don't ****ing sell this one, damn you.
Unless it is to me. At which point I may forgive you :cool: Lol.
The Dumb Gun Collector
10-09-16, 23:47
I also need to keep the burglars away!
ColtSeavers
10-10-16, 02:55
Gratz on your new Beretta! Absolutely love mine.
Nightstalker865
10-10-16, 06:57
Congrats Greg. They truly are phenomenal guns.
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556BlackRifle
10-10-16, 12:07
Very nice pistol - Congrats! Also, I'm sorry to hear about the burglary. I hope you get your stuff back.
The Dumb Gun Collector
10-10-16, 18:21
100 more round today (had Columbus Day off). Maybe it's just new gun fever but I am really enjoying it.
Picked one up from Grant a few months ago. Had wanted one since taking a Harrington class a couple years ago. Really like the gun.
I added a D hammer spring, Wilson combat short reach steel trigger, and some Hogue G10 chain link grips.
A great Beretta.
SeriousStudent
10-10-16, 20:44
Nice pistol, counselor.
I am curious, what are you going to do for a holster, and will this be a carry piece after it gets broken in?
So you finally went and got another one :)
1. Your old BT was tight, very tight. But it ran just fine after I scraped the mud and debris out of it.
2. Like I said before, drop in a 13 lb hammer spring and that SD's DA pull will drop dramatically.
3. Get a bigger safe for your bedroom, one that bolts down to the floor.
4. When you're ready to sell it, one call, that's all. :)
So you finally went and got another one :)
1. Your old BT was tight, very tight. But it ran just fine after I scraped the mud and debris out of it.
2. Like I said before, drop in a 13 lb hammer spring and that SD's DA pull will drop dramatically.
3. Get a bigger safe for your bedroom, one that bolts down to the floor.
4. When you're ready to sell it, one call, that's all. :)
Nice pistol, counselor.
I am curious, what are you going to do for a holster, and will this be a carry piece after it gets broken in?
I would be interested in following this thread for holster developments as well.
For holsters, Wilson Combat Low Profile and Low Profile II, Milt Sparks (several models), Blade Tech (several models), Comp Tac, Raven Concealment, Black Point Tactical, Alessi and many others make holsters for the SD model.
The Dumb Gun Collector
10-10-16, 22:22
I ordered a JM Custom one for the gun with an X200/300. I might order a wilson holster in the meantime. I am probably not going to fool with the trigger, it is perfect.
Dropping in a reduced power hammer spring is NOT fooling with the trigger. It will feel better than a CZ SP01.
ColtSeavers
10-10-16, 22:40
Holster option:
http://www.first-spear.com/product.php?productid=17840
One of these is on my Bucket List even though I'm not gee wow about Beretta
I pissed away a SWAT Vertec I got for hi point prices and an outfit I knew was dumping 1201FPs for peanuts and I opted for a wood 1300 because wood.
If I ever get a B-retta of any type again, I'm keeping it.
Nightstalker865
10-11-16, 06:39
I am probably not going to fool with the trigger, it is perfect.
Greg I would highly recommend installing the factory D spring at the very least. It's less than $10, installs in 5mins and makes a tremendous difference.
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Nightstalker865
10-11-16, 06:40
Holster option:
http://www.first-spear.com/product.php?productid=17840
Wont work for his 92G-SD. They have the Brigadier slide on them.
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Yes, congrats.
And yea - put in the factory D spring. Takes about 3lbs off the DA pull, and close to .5 pounds off the SA pull when new. The spring breaks in abit with use, and it will lighten a tiny bit more afterwards
I have owned 29 different 92 variants over the past 20+ years - 90% of them have had the D spring in them. Brownells sells them. Worth the $
Sterling Archer
10-11-16, 19:54
Congrats on a great pistol! I run 12lb hammer springs in my Berettas and have only encountered the occasional primer requiring a second hammer drop with Speer Lawman. Remington, Federal, Blazer Brass, American Eagle, and Fiocchi have all been 100%.
Nice pistola Greg!
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The Dumb Gun Collector
10-16-16, 16:29
300 more down the pipe. Put up some steel today and let fly. I also put up a 25 yard target and did some precision work. This gun is quite the beast. I brought my P30 along (which is my doomsday pistol) for a little reference shooting. I was enjoying the Beretta so much I forgot to shoot it.
Hooray for the pizza gun !
I shot my 92G today, 150 rounds, flawless. Ran some BFM drills, 5x5 and 8 ball.
Hooray for the pizza gun !
I shot my 92G today, 150 rounds, flawless. Ran some BFM drills, 5x5 and 8 ball.
SRGC?
Yes. :)
You gotta call a brother when you do that!
You gotta call a brother when you do that!
I will do better next time. :)
The Dumb Gun Collector
10-25-16, 23:07
250 more rounds down the pipe. 100 WWB, 150 Monarch Brass. Gun runs perfectly.
Also, swapped my Colt Competition with laser grips for a sister gun....
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:dirol:
Nightstalker865
10-26-16, 05:56
250 more rounds down the pipe. 100 WWB, 150 Monarch Brass. Gun runs perfectly.
Also, swapped my Colt Competition with laser grips for a sister gun....
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:dirol:
Nice!
Will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the two, when comparing them back to back at the range.
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When you're ready to sell this gun before Christmas, let a brother know :)
When I bought my 92FS, I installed a D spring, Elite II hammer, and extended mag release before I shot it. Yes, they do help.
MSparks909
10-26-16, 18:35
Big pizza gun fan here. Haven't shot the G-SD but I have it's Wilson cousin that I love. It's become my favorite pistol. I think the M9A3 G is gonna be my next pizza gun folllwed by the Langdon PX4C.
Echoing others, you really should swap in the D spring. Won't hurt reliability and will only improve the trigger pulls more.
Don't forget that Bill Wilson and Beretta will release their third collaboration pistol some time in the near future.
These are hard to find !
Almost easier to order the WC.
Nightstalker865
10-26-16, 19:28
These are hard to find !
Almost easier to order the WC.
If I remember correctly, Grant stated that Beretta only built 500 in this last run.
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MSparks909
10-26-16, 19:53
Don't forget that Bill Wilson and Beretta will release their third collaboration pistol some time in the near future.
I'm eagerly waiting! Little birdy gave me some info and if it's true it'll probably be the most popular WC Beretta yet. I would certainly buy one. Beretta is also releasing a Langdon specific 92 soon.
Nightstalker865
10-26-16, 19:54
I'm eagerly waiting! Little birdy gave me some info and if it's true it'll probably be the most popular WC Beretta yet. I would certainly buy one. Beretta is also releasing a Langdon specific 92 soon.
Care to share this info?
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MSparks909
10-26-16, 20:12
Care to share this info?
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If it is what I was told it will be extremely popular
The most popular and most requested Beretta that has not been "resurrected" would be the Centurion. So I'm guessing (really guessing, I don't know any birdy, no inside scoop) that it's a G Centurion, maybe with rail or in its purest form, without rail. That would be sweet. I would get one.
MSparks909
10-27-16, 15:23
The most popular and most requested Beretta that has not been "resurrected" would be the Centurion. So I'm guessing (really guessing, I don't know any birdy, no inside scoop) that it's a G Centurion, maybe with rail or in its purest form, without rail. That would be sweet. I would get one.
As would I :cool:
Personally I would love to see a single action version of the series released with the brig slide and A1 rail. I'm probably in the minority though.
The Dumb Gun Collector
10-29-16, 22:29
Ran my Wilson ~280 rnds. 100 WWB, 150 Monarch Brass, ~35 Fiocchi. The trigger is undoubtedly slightly lighter, but just as smooth. That lighter weight did pay off in slightly easier hits on a 12 inch gong at 75 yards. The gun did fail to lock back shooting Monarch Brass (weak) 3 times on one of the PVD mags when firing strong hand only. Interestingly I could not reproduce it with one of the standard blued mags(more broken in) from my SD. Other than the lighter trigger the guns feel identical (duh). I really don't need the Wilson mag release. I did notice that the staking on the Wilson front sight was better.
I also did a little blasting with my factory 20 rounder. LORD IN HEAVEN that mag is hard to load. Worked fine though. Once I run a few hundred more rounds through it I may use it for beside the bed work.
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The mag release on the Brig Tac is not a Wilson part. It's a oversized Beretta factory part.
cistercian
11-04-16, 23:26
100 more round today (had Columbus Day off). Maybe it's just new gun fever but I am really enjoying it.
Hi Greg! I am going to get a 92A1 in the next couple of weeks...I envy the score you made getting the brigadier slide BTW.
I am a diehard 1911 guy but I want to switch to 9mm for the lower cost + lower recoil.At 55 years old I really don't want to harm my joints so 9mm it is!I just want to say congratulations on the new Beretta...and I will be joining the group soon enough myself!
I hope my new gun shoots straight...130 or so for the rear sight adj tool!And as soon as I get my pistol...new spring from brownells to reduce the trigger effort as well as a steel recoil guide!I hope I don't have to replace the rear sight with an adjustable.I will hope it is straight out of box!!!
ColtSeavers
11-05-16, 00:18
Personally I would love to see a single action version of the series released with the brig slide and A1 rail. I'm probably in the minority though.
Definately disagree, but you can make about any 92 series SA only:
http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/trigger-group-parts/hammer-parts/hammers/hammer-billennium-sku913100584-28390-56834.aspx?sku=913100584
ColtSeavers
11-05-16, 10:55
Oh wow, my apologies, that was still available not too long ago as I happened upon it when I was looking for stainless/inox beretta hammers.
I sent mine to Wilson for the trigger job. Money well spent.
The Dumb Gun Collector
11-14-16, 19:56
550 more through the wilson.
Let me tell you, I think the M92 may have the smoothest recoil impulse of any 9mm. I have tested it against CZ SP-01, Glock 19, Sig 320 and HK P30. The Sp-01, with its weight, is close, but not quite. The Sig 320 kicks way more, upsetting the front sight quite a bit (about the same as, but a hair more than, the P30 and the G19). That's not to say that any of those guns "kick"--but it is noticeable.
I have only had one, but the 20 round mag is WAAAAAY oversprung, I can't load it to 20 without using a plastic punch. Absurd.
The Wilson is a better buy than the SD. I feel like, for some reason, the SD is beefier, but they are both tanks. I am going to keep the standard spring in the SD...maybe. It is only a hair heavier than the Wilson and you get the extra hammer power for crappy primers---but OH MY GOD the Wilson trigger is good. And it has improved considerably since I bought it.
Guys, pick up one of these Wilson 92s (or even a SD).
Congrats on your smart purchase. These guns impress me as well. With the G conversion , they fit the Hard use catagory for me. I bought a bare bones and did the WC over haul, but anywho, good stuff.
PB
Nightstalker865
11-14-16, 22:17
550 more through the wilson.
Let me tell you, I think the M92 may have the smoothest recoil impulse of any 9mm. I have tested it against CZ SP-01, Glock 19, Sig 320 and HK P30. The Sp-01, with its weight, is close, but not quite. The Sig 320 kicks way more, upsetting the front sight quite a bit (about the same as, but a hair more than, the P30 and the G19). That's not to say that any of those guns "kick"--but it is noticeable.
I have only had one, but the 20 round mag is WAAAAAY oversprung, I can't load it to 20 without using a plastic punch. Absurd.
The Wilson is a better buy than the SD. I feel like, for some reason, the SD is beefier, but they are both tanks. I am going to keep the standard spring in the SD...maybe. It is only a hair heavier than the Wilson and you get the extra hammer power for crappy primers---but OH MY GOD the Wilson trigger is good. And it has improved considerably since I bought it.
Guys, pick up one of these Wilson 92s (or even a SD).
Glad to hear your still enjoying it. I tend to agree with your comment about the recoil impulse. The Beretta's are just sweet shooters, especially the Brigadier models.
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I have only had one, but the 20 round mag is WAAAAAY oversprung, I can't load it to 20 without using a plastic punch. Absurd.
Use a MagLULA.
---but OH MY GOD the Wilson trigger is good. And it has improved considerably since I bought it.
Guys, pick up one of these Wilson 92s (or even a SD).
You should be a spokesman for Wilson :)
A friend of mine (he was in the April Hackathorn class) sent his M9A1 to Wilson for the whole conversion. His DA trigger pull is out of this world. Those guys can do a trigger job. It is better than the DA on the Wilson Brigadier that I bought from a lawyer from Macon, GA :)
The Dumb Gun Collector
11-21-16, 00:02
150 more down the pipe in the wilson ! Still getting better. I like my wilson holster but I have been waiting patiently for my JM holster so I can carry it with one of my zillion X200s attached. I really need to shoot the SD some more!
A friend of mine (he was in the April Hackathorn class) sent his M9A1 to Wilson for the whole conversion. His DA trigger pull is out of this world. Those guys can do a trigger job. It is better than the DA on the Wilson Brigadier that I bought from a lawyer from Macon, GA :)
Think I know that guy.... :-)
Yes, the Wilson trigger job on the M9A1 is really superb. Those guys do a fantastic job and it has been 100% reliable thus far. Glad you are enjoying the SD Greg!
teutonicpolymer
11-21-16, 14:28
Does anyone have any suggestions for a concealed owb (or IWB) carry holster for the brig tac? I think it could work for winter but the holster selection isn't that broad
Does anyone have any suggestions for a concealed owb (or IWB) carry holster for the brig tac? I think it could work for winter but the holster selection isn't that broad
See Greg's picture back around page 3 or so:
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Wilson Combat Lo Profile. I use the same holster for the same gun. I used the holster for carry, range, match and class. It conceals the gun under a loose camp shirt (5.11, Blackhawk, Woolrich type).
Think I know that guy.... :-)
Yes, the Wilson trigger job on the M9A1 is really superb. Those guys do a fantastic job and it has been 100% reliable thus far. Glad you are enjoying the SD Greg!
He's an Elitist !
MountainRaven
11-21-16, 14:37
Does anyone have any suggestions for a concealed owb (or IWB) carry holster for the brig tac? I think it could work for winter but the holster selection isn't that broad
Milt-Sparks VM2.
I know there's a guy who stocks them for the BrigTac, just have to find 'em.
ETA: Link (http://www.rankinarms.com/guns/details/524/). Looks like you gotta call them to find out if they have them on hand and to order them, but it beats waiting five billion years or so for one direct from Milt Sparks.
Does anyone have any suggestions for a concealed owb (or IWB) carry holster for the brig tac? I think it could work for winter but the holster selection isn't that broad
That's a bold carry piece. Rock on with that Brig!
Milt-Sparks VM2.
I know there's a guy who stocks them for the BrigTac, just have to find 'em.
ETA: Link (http://www.rankinarms.com/guns/details/524/). Looks like you gotta call them to find out if they have them on hand and to order them, but it beats waiting half a year or so for one direct from Milt Sparks.
I hope you're joking that it takes a year and a half to order a holster from Milt Sparks. I know for a fact that a friend of mine got his in about 12 weeks, that was last year. And yes, his gun is a Wilson/Beretta Brigadier Tactical.
The Dumb Gun Collector
11-21-16, 16:21
That holster in the pic is available, or was availble from wilson. It is a good, comfortable holster and it works with the SD as well.
MountainRaven
11-21-16, 16:26
I hope you're joking that it takes a year and a half to order a holster from Milt Sparks. I know for a fact that a friend of mine got his in about 12 weeks, that was last year. And yes, his gun is a Wilson/Beretta Brigadier Tactical.
Post edited to reflect a more plainly unreasonable - and therefore humorous - time frame.
The Dumb Gun Collector
11-27-16, 18:27
150 more through SD.
1. Spoiled by WC double action trigger.
2. Comparison shot against my p30 and friends cz p-07. Beretta flat-out kicked less. Hk and CZ were about equal, although I thought hk kicked a bit more (cz owner thought hk kicked less) (still minimal).
3 shot 20 round mag again. Finally loosening up a hair--still absurd to load.
4. I have been shooting do much da/sa that hk lem felt like a hair trigger.
5. Desantis p30 pancake fits 92 fine. Muzzle pokes out a bit.
He's an Elitist !
Elitist? Been here for eight years and can't post to 'general discussion'.
Anyway, glad you are enjoying the pizza gun. Love mine.
Elitist? Been here for eight years and can't post to 'general discussion'.
82 more posts and you'll get the key.
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-04-16, 17:05
250 more rounds through the WC.
Gun was shooting great, including some hilarious draw and fire from double action on 50 yard plates. I tried some at 100 yards but that was more miss. Just a superb shooting gun and let me tell you, from a solid position slow fire 100 yard plates are toast.
HOWEVER, I did manage to get a FTLB with one of my sand mags. This was during the first 70 rounds so I excluded the mag and ran my other mags to see if it was the gun. The issue didn't repeat itself in the next 180 rounds. Now, I was crouched under the table shooting from an awkward position (I am a shooting nerd) so it could have been me riding the slide lock. But it still happened and will be noted by marking the mag.
I got a JM custom holster in the mail and it fits perfectly. I plan on shooting both guns exclusively with lights from here on out.
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-11-16, 17:33
More drama with the Wilson. After last week's failure to lock back I gave it a very thorough cleaning. I shot 30 round of gold dot followed by 150 round of blazer brass. During the last 50 rounds it started choaking with two mags which run fine in the SD. First, ejection became erratic then it started to jam. Basically, spent cases weren't getting out and were pinned by the last few rounds in the mag. Hmm.
https://flic.kr/p/PybaVd
https://flic.kr/p/PybaVd
This happened three, possibly four times. One time a spent case barely made it out and just fell back into the chamber when it locked back.
This is a real shame because this is one of the finest shooting guns I have ever owned. Until I can sort this out I will be using my SD or P30 for beside the bed duty.
Nightstalker865
12-11-16, 18:35
WOW.... that's all I can say. I've got a little over 3000rds through my Brig TAC and it has run flawlessly.
I'm very curious to hear what you find is causing this.
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MSparks909
12-11-16, 18:44
More drama with the Wilson. After last week's failure to lock back I gave it a very thorough cleaning. I shot 30 round of gold dot followed by 150 round of blazer brass. During the last 50 rounds it started choaking with two mags which run fine in the SD. First, ejection became erratic then it started to jam. Basically, spent cases weren't getting out and were pinned by the last few rounds in the mag. Hmm.
https://flic.kr/p/PybaVd
https://flic.kr/p/PybaVd
This happened three, possibly four times. One time a spent case barely made it out and just fell back into the chamber when it locked back.
This is a real shame because this is one of the finest shooting guns I have ever owned. Until I can sort this out I will be using my SD or P30 for beside the bed duty.
How's the extractor claw look? Might be worth detail stripping the slide to clean the extractor groove out. When was the last time the gun was lubed? I noticed I can have odd failures on my Berettas if they're bone dry.
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-11-16, 19:27
I lube it generously after every use. How do I get the extractor out?--it is heavily staked.
I'll trade you a Ruger LC9 for that piece of junk Wilson gun.
If this is ammo that is known to have functioned in the past my best guess would be that you have an extractor issue. If you have a Beretta smith nearby you could have it swapped out but sending it to Wilson might be the better bet.
I lube it generously after every use. How do I get the extractor out?--it is heavily staked.
To pop the extractor pin out you'll need to start from bottom of the slide. Pay close attention how this pin goes into the slide, it goes in at a angle, not straight, look carefully at it from the top of the slide, see how one side of the pin is flush with the top of the slide, and the other is'nt? Note how it sits just below the stakes.. that's how it needs to go back in. From what I've read over at the beretta forum this pin can be removed, and reinstalled, and it seems alot of people have done this without restaking the pin and have had no problems with it moving. That said, from what I can gather, the extractor pin is one of those thingsthat should'nt be removed that often.In your case, I don't think you have much choice. I'd go ahead and pop it out, clean the extractor, and channel out, and maybe while your in there, replace the extractor spring with one of Wilson's chrome silicon extractor springs. Reassemble, and shoot, keep an eye on the pin, if it starts to move, call wilson and ask if they can restake.
I lube it generously after every use. How do I get the extractor out?--it is heavily staked.
The extractor removal starts around the 3:00 minute mark.
Get another CZ. ;)
Sorry, you are having trouble with this gun. It should be dead nuts reliable.
ramairthree
12-12-16, 09:39
Yeah.
I have dozens of Beretta 92/96 series guns.
Never a used or NIB one have I taken to the range and had issues with.
150 more through SD.
3 shot 20 round mag again. Finally loosening up a hair--still absurd to load.
Mag loaders are our friends! (Lula 9mm loader!)
Greg, I'm not qualified to give you advice on handguns but will urge you to contact Wilson. If the extractor or its spring requires replacing, then his shop is equipped. Too, neither he nor Beretta(if you must go there)can say that "tinkering" voided warranty. Also they can re stake the pin, which might even need replacing after removal. If the mag catch is causing the magazine to lock in place too high, this would be a reason for the malfunction. Your photos make it appear that the empty case is hitting the case mouth section of the next round in the mag. I've owned many 92's over the last 30 years, and not one has ever malfunctioned.
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-12-16, 18:18
I guess I will call Wilson. This is my 4th 92 and the first to give me hassle.
Don't forget to tell us what the Wilson shop folks said(or did).
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-18-16, 14:07
REDEMPTION
I think it was the Blazer Brass I was running. I took it out today wit 100 rounds of Geco 124, 50 rounds of Monarch steel and 50 rounds of separately purchased Blazer Brass. I did not clean the gun or lubricate it and I used the same mags. The gun functioned perfectly. My guess it that lot of ammo from last week was flawed. I shot it from holster, on the move, strong handed, target hold, etc. No malfunctions and no erratic ejection. SORRY I DOUBTED YOU BERETTA!
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Nightstalker865
12-18-16, 14:59
Glad to hear you found the solution.
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cistercian
12-19-16, 01:14
Figures...I just bought 350 rounds of blazer brass.I also failed to get the 96A1...I did however get a M9A3 which is a very nice pistol.
I am glad you found ammo was the problem.I bet it is getting smoother as the round count goes up too...enjoy!
Coal Dragger
12-19-16, 12:25
REDEMPTION
I think it was the Blazer Brass I was running. I took it out today wit 100 rounds of Geco 124, 50 rounds of Monarch steel and 50 rounds of separately purchased Blazer Brass. I did not clean the gun or lubricate it and I used the same mags. The gun functioned perfectly. My guess it that lot of ammo from last week was flawed. I shot it from holster, on the move, strong handed, target hold, etc. No malfunctions and no erratic ejection. SORRY I DOUBTED YOU BERETTA!
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If you have a set of dial calipers I'd be curious to know if the case dimensions on the rims of those cases were different than the other ammunition you used and had no issues with.
Ran my Wilson ~280 rnds. 100 WWB, 150 Monarch Brass, ~35 Fiocchi. The trigger is undoubtedly slightly lighter, but just as smooth. That lighter weight did pay off in slightly easier hits on a 12 inch gong at 75 yards. The gun did fail to lock back shooting Monarch Brass (weak) 3 times on one of the PVD mags when firing strong hand only. Interestingly I could not reproduce it with one of the standard blued mags(more broken in) from my SD. Other than the lighter trigger the guns feel identical (duh). I really don't need the Wilson mag release. I did notice that the staking on the Wilson front sight was better.
I also did a little blasting with my factory 20 rounder. LORD IN HEAVEN that mag is hard to load. Worked fine though. Once I run a few hundred more rounds through it I may use it for beside the bed work.
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This picture just makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
Nice piece.
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-08-17, 17:50
Well, I picked up another SD! 2017 is going to be all Pizza gun. I am developing a serious Beretta obsession.
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Hey, check out my welfare-grade practice barrier...my 43 year old joints do not appreciate!
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Nightstalker865
01-08-17, 18:34
Nice! They are truly impressive handguns.
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Well, I picked up another SD! 2017 is going to be all Pizza gun. I am developing a serious Beretta obsession.
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Hey, check out my welfare-grade practice barrier...my 43 year old joints do not appreciate!
You're nuts. Two SD and a Brig Tac? or did you sell the BT?
I bet you will sell one of those when the Ernest Langdon 92A1 is available :)
That barricade is purely ghetto Warner Robins style.
Greg, you need an M9A3-G to add to the mix. :cool:
Greg, you need an M9A3-G to add to the mix. :cool:
G = Greg
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-09-17, 08:39
I might! Either that or I need threaded barrels for when the hearing protection act hopefully passes.
azeriosu85
01-13-17, 00:41
Akimbo 92G-SD please
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-21-17, 19:48
Because I have no will of my own, I bought a SIG 320 compact after the MHS announcement. Honestly, I have had zero interest in them since my impression of SIG over the last ten years was that they were cashing in on their reputation while pumping out pretty garbage (and I spent a large portion of the 90s shooting SIG 229s, 226s and 239s. But I figure they must be doing something right so I picked up one to check out the hype.
Well, so far this is what I have noticed (without shooting it yet).
1. The trigger is unusual. Yes it is light, but it has a weird double click when you dry fire it with the mag inserted. If you remove the mag and rack the slide it doesn't seem to do it. Weird. But otherwise the trigger is what everybody wants now days. Light, short, clicky reset, and pretty smooth.
2. The grip is great. And I love, love, love the placement of the slide release levers and the protective shelf. HK and Walther, if you haven't looked at the M&P, at least look at this.
3. The mags appear to be very well put together.
4. The parts quality looks very high. No flimsy looking crap inside.
5. Reassembly can easily become a drama. I took mine apart to poke around and when I reassembled the gun I didn't hold my butt cheeks right or something. and when it came back together the trigger didn't work. Apparently the takedown lever was in the wrong position. No biggie, but odd.
6. The size of the package is reasonable. A big chunkier than the G19, but it has a better feature set.
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Man I have been fighting the urge to stick a toe in the Sig waters. The P320 is kind of like the Red Light district in Amsterdam. The longer you look at it while drinking the more impressive it seems. The next thing you know your wallet is much lighter and you have a silly grin on your face afterwards. Bud's and Quantico Tactical have them in stock for less than $500. So tempting but I think I'll wait.
Because I have no will of my own, I bought a SIG 320 compact after the MHS announcement. Honestly, I have had zero interest in them since my impression of SIG over the last ten years was that they were cashing in on their reputation while pumping out pretty garbage (and I spent a large portion of the 90s shooting SIG 229s, 226s and 239s. But I figure they must be doing something right so I picked up one to check out the hype.
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-22-17, 16:50
Took them out today.
I ran 100 rounds of standard Pressure HST through the SD for a grand total of 1878 absolutely trouble free rounds so far. The HST Hits right behind the dot all the way 21 feet, 30 Feet, 25 Yards, 75 and 100 yards. It is uncanny. Clearly the round for the SD.
I ran 216 Rounds through the 320. 200 rounds of Blazer Brass and 16 rounds of +P Gold Dot. Zero problems.
Notes....
1. Gun shoots straight, sights are regulated well. I can ding the 75 yard consistently as long as I keep my focus on the FS.
2. The trigger weirdness I pointed out above is absolutely not noticeable when firing.
3. The Trigger is light, but not as good as the VP9. The VP9 is much smoother.
4. I would have never guessed it, but I prefer the 320 Grip to the VP9.
5. I also prefer the shooting characteristics of the 320 over the VP9. The Vp9 has a much more pronounced muzzle flip.
6. Both the 320 and the VP9 are inferior to the Beretta in general shooting characteristics. Everything from the trigger (I really, really dig the trigger on the Beretta) and smoothness. Heavy guns are smooth shooters! No getting around that.
7. I did a lot of drawing and shooting on the move. The 320 is an easy gun to run and has all the good characteristics of all the Glock style handguns. Basically, it is a really, really nice Glock. Better trigger, better controls, and the brass goes to the right which is nice.
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Greg,
Are you the same Greg Bell from the HK forums?
If so didn't you do a huge test of the HK45?
I have that in my head for some reason of you testing guns with a ton of rounds.
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The Dumb Gun Collector
01-22-17, 19:12
Yes. I have logged a bunch of guns over the years. The HK P2000, HK45, J-frame 38 and a Wilson .45 for a bit. I usually get bored after about 6 months or so. Now I just log my thoughts on various guns.
Yes. I have logged a bunch of guns over the years. The HK P2000, HK45, J-frame 38 and a Wilson .45 for a bit. I usually get bored after about 6 months or so. Now I just log my thoughts on various guns.
Want to be really impressed with it? Throw a can on and watch it run like a Swiss watch. It's quiet and eats my subsonic reloads without question. Never had a malfunction with a can on it. My only complaint with the pistol is the realtivley large size compared with the glock 19.
When you get bored and want to get rid of the Sig, let me know, ok?
Thanks Gregg for the work you do.
It's awesome how much ammo you put through your guns.
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Coal Dragger
01-23-17, 05:21
Took them out today.
I ran 100 rounds of standard Pressure HST through the SD for a grand total of 1878 absolutely trouble free rounds so far. The HST Hits right behind the dot all the way 21 feet, 30 Feet, 25 Yards, 75 and 100 yards. It is uncanny. Clearly the round for the SD.
I ran 216 Rounds through the 320. 200 rounds of Blazer Brass and 16 rounds of +P Gold Dot. Zero problems.
Notes....
1. Gun shoots straight, sights are regulated well. I can ding the 75 yard consistently as long as I keep my focus on the FS.
2. The trigger weirdness I pointed out above is absolutely not noticeable when firing.
3. The Trigger is light, but not as good as the VP9. The VP9 is much smoother.
4. I would have never guessed it, but I prefer the 320 Grip to the VP9.
5. I also prefer the shooting characteristics of the 320 over the VP9. The Vp9 has a much more pronounced muzzle flip.
6. Both the 320 and the VP9 are inferior to the Beretta in general shooting characteristics. Everything from the trigger (I really, really dig the trigger on the Beretta) and smoothness. Heavy guns are smooth shooters! No getting around that.
7. I did a lot of drawing and shooting on the move. The 320 is an easy gun to run and has all the good characteristics of all the Glock style handguns. Basically, it is a really, really nice Glock. Better trigger, better controls, and the brass goes to the right which is nice.
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Interesting, between my VP9 and the Wife's P320 I prefer the recoil characteristics of the VP9, for me it has less muzzle flip and is easier to track the sights.
Maybe more practice with the P320 is in order... what a terrible problem to have choosing between two very good polymer 9mm service pistols.
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-23-17, 13:58
It could just be a fluke. All of them were smooth shooting 9mms. Absolutely nothing about the 320 would make me swap to it from a Vp I already had. They are very Similar and both are excellent. However, just another data point, my buddy who currently owns that vp9 agreed that the 320 was smoother.
I've been looking hard at the 320 recently so I'll be following this thread. Only problem is at the moment I would have to sacrifice something to buy one. No bueno.
I also felt the p320 was a little flatter then my vp9 in shooting. I wish I would have went with the Sig over the vp9. I would probably still own the sig. Both were accurate but I shot the sig better. That was also with more rounds through a vp9. They both are very good striker guns. Loving your comparisons here! Still very hard for a striker to beat a good hammer fired trigger for me.
I switched to the 320 from the vp9 b/c I liked the grip better, trigger was nice and I wanted s/c and full size threaded in the same gun.
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azeriosu85
01-26-17, 23:42
Damn that Beretta looks good. In that picture It's like parking a Ferrari next to a Toyota Camry and Honda Accord...
Damn that Beretta looks good. In that picture It's like parking a Ferrari next to a Toyota Camry and Honda Accord...
The hell are you smoking? A 320 and a VP9 are a Camry and accord? The beretta is the 30 year old design.
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azeriosu85
01-27-17, 02:16
The hell are you smoking? A 320 and a VP9 are a Camry and accord? The beretta is the 30 year old design.
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Polymer, generic, boring-ass, and reliable ... just like a camry or accord. Nothing special. But there is something very classy and nice about the beretta.
Fordtough25
01-27-17, 04:33
Polymer, generic, boring-ass, and reliable ... just like a camry or accord. Nothing special. But there is something very classy and nice about the beretta.
So much truth!! They're all fantastic pistols but the beretta is so classy and shootable!
Greg, does the 320 have a magazine disconnect safety?
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-29-17, 02:45
Not mine
Is your wallet broke yet? LOL
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-05-17, 18:54
B92SD (2168 rounds)
320 (626 rounds)
So far so good. Neither the B92SD nor the 320 has had a single malfunction. Both digest any ammunition, 115, 124, 147, brass, steel, aluminum, Gold dots, HST, etc. Totally trust worthy guns. For the last 400 or so rounds I haven't cleaned the Sig 320 more out of laziness than anything else.
Notes on the 320.
1. The weird Trigger double click is gone both while shooting and in dry firing. I guess it was some sort of burr in the action. I have read that some have trigger slap but mine does not.
2. At first the slide release was VERY tight. This slowed me down on reloads vs the B92. But it has loosed up and this is no longer an issue.
3. The 320 has very good recoil characteristics. However, it is easier to track the front sight on the B92 during Bills and El Prez. However, over 5 shot averaged groups the difference in split times is only .012 in favor of the B92 so you aren't talking about much (over an average of 6 bill drill's each the B92 won by .012 also which was wild) . The splits are more uneven in the 320--with some being a good deal faster than the others compared to the Beretta's nearly perfect cadence.
4. I have attempted to limp wrist the 320 into a malfunction. I can't do it so far, even with very light loaded Blazer brass. I can do this fairly easily with the world standard G19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAuHst-j6eI. Of course, this is just one small test, but so far so good. And the B92 easily passes this test as well.
So far I see why the Army went with the 320 if there examples are like mine. Shoots straight, shoots fast, ejects brass predictably, and isn't grip sensitive. I still prefer the Beretta, but I don't have to lug these things across battlefields.
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Random dog wandered onto the shooting range....
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The weird double click thing is a common issue. It happens sometimes when I swap triggers and frames and then goes away.
I can't remember if I've ever found out why. General consensus is it's not really a problem IIRC.
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B92SD (2168 rounds)
320 (626 rounds)
So far so good. Neither the B92SD nor the 320 has had a single malfunction. Both digest any ammunition, 115, 124, 147, brass, steel, aluminum, Gold dots, HST, etc. Totally trust worthy guns. For the last 400 or so rounds I haven't cleaned the Sig 320 more out of laziness than anything else.
Notes on the 320.
1. The weird Trigger double click is gone both while shooting and in dry firing. I guess it was some sort of burr in the action. I have read that some have trigger slap but mine does not.
2. At first the slide release was VERY tight. This slowed me down on reloads vs the B92. But it has loosed up and this is no longer an issue.
3. The 320 has very good recoil characteristics. However, it is easier to track the front sight on the B92 during Bills and El Prez. However, over 5 shot averaged groups the difference in split times is only .012 in favor of the B92 so you aren't talking about much (over an average of 6 bill drill's each the B92 won by .012 also which was wild) . The splits are more uneven in the 320--with some being a good deal faster than the others compared to the Beretta's nearly perfect cadence.
4. I have attempted to limp wrist the 320 into a malfunction. I can't do it so far, even with very light loaded Blazer brass. I can do this fairly easily with the world standard G19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAuHst-j6eI. Of course, this is just one small test, but so far so good. And the B92 easily passes this test as well.
So far I see why the Army went with the 320 if there examples are like mine. Shoots straight, shoots fast, ejects brass predictably, and isn't grip sensitive. I still prefer the Beretta, but I don't have to lug these things across battlefields.
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Random dog wandered onto the shooting range....
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Thanks Greg. As you know, I just picked up one as well. From what I understand, the trigger slap issue was addressed by Sig and they slightly redesigned the trigger shoe. Newer production guns are shipped with what they call the "Adverse" trigger, denoted by a short shelf at the top of the trigger, flush with the grip frame. I think they also changed the bottom toe of the trigger slightly as well.
I've seen reports of the double click and I can reproduce it. But the only way to get mine to do it, is if I use a support hand finger to act as a stop for my trigger finger after the sear break, interrupting the follow through / overtravel. Only then, can I pick up the second click. During a normal press, it's one fluid motion and a single click of the sear. But that's just my sample of one.
Same stiff slide release lever on mine.
From the factory, my gun was shooting low, right just a hair. On a 3" bull at 10 yards, it was grouping in the lower right quad of the bullseye, cutting the edge of the target. The front sight was not mechanically centered. I adjusted it tonight, so we'll see if that fixes the windage.
The elevation is a different issue. Apparently, Sig has experimented with different height front sights and depth of the dovetail. My front sight is marked with a "6". They also ship with an "8" which I beleive is a tad shorter. Mine is shooting below a "combat zero" or shoot the dot zero. I've got a set of Dawson's inbound, so we'll see if that gets me on target. Others on P&S have reported similar sight behavior.
I'm curious, is your gun shooting to the top edge of the front sight or more of a combat zero with the dot superimposed over the target? Does it seem true, or shoot slightly low/high? Is it marked with an 8 or 6 on the front sight blade?
Oh, and that's a good looking hound!
Thanks Greg. As you know, I just picked up one as well. From what I understand, the trigger slap issue was addressed by Sig and they slightly redesigned the trigger shoe. Newer production guns are shipped with what they call the "Adverse" trigger, denoted by a short shelf at the top of the trigger, flush with the grip frame. I think they also changed the bottom toe of the trigger slightly as well.
I've seen reports of the double click and I can reproduce it. But the only way to get mine to do it, is if I use a support hand finger to act as a stop for my trigger finger after the sear break, interrupting the follow through / overtravel. Only then, can I pick up the second click. During a normal press, it's one fluid motion and a single click of the sear. But that's just my sample of one.
Same stiff slide release lever on mine.
From the factory, my gun was shooting low, right just a hair. On a 3" bull at 10 yards, it was grouping in the lower right quad of the bullseye, cutting the edge of the target. The front sight was not mechanically centered. I adjusted it tonight, so we'll see if that fixes the windage.
The elevation is a different issue. Apparently, Sig has experimented with different height front sights and depth of the dovetail. My front sight is marked with a "6". They also ship with an "8" which I beleive is a tad shorter. Mine is shooting below a "combat zero" or shoot the dot zero. I've got a set of Dawson's inbound, so we'll see if that gets me on target. Others on P&S have reported similar sight behavior.
I'm curious, is your gun shooting to the top edge of the front sight or more of a combat zero with the dot superimposed over the target? Does it seem true, or shoot slightly low/high? Is it marked with an 8 or 6 on the front sight blade?
Oh, and that's a good looking hound!
I just picked one up myself. Also have the 6 and 8 sight set. Mine shoots lower then combat aim also. Thinking about maybe going to a 8 front. I prefer the #2 sight picture vs #3. My gun shot a little better with 124 grn +p. So I believe with good ammo it is combat accurate. But weak target ammo it is lower.
Got to handle a 320 today in a store and dry fire it. That double click is odd to say the least. Put my name on a list for a 320RX when they come in 👍
dwhitehorne
02-06-17, 19:26
I can't remember if I've ever found out why. General consensus is it's not really a problem IIRC.
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The second click is the same thing you hear when you squeeze the trigger multiple times after dry firing with the slide cycled. It is the sear resetting but the slide is not cycled to catch on the leg of the striker. I imagine it actually happens every time the weapon fires but sometimes it can be heard dry firing. I see the double click happen a lot at work when switching to the small module and it didn't with the medium. I'm guessing the geometry of the fire control is a little different when switching between plastic grips. Kind of like one AR upper can fit tighter on one lower than another. David
Maybe. I don't know. It always eventually goes away regardless of what grip I have it in. I haven't really messed with it enough to make it repeatable.
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The second click is the same thing you hear when you squeeze the trigger multiple times after dry firing with the slide cycled. It is the sear resetting but the slide is not cycled to catch on the leg of the striker. I imagine it actually happens every time the weapon fires but sometimes it can be heard dry firing. I see the double click happen a lot at work when switching to the small module and it didn't with the medium. I'm guessing the geometry of the fire control is a little different when switching between plastic grips. Kind of like one AR upper can fit tighter on one lower than another. David
I never would have noticed it if someone hadn't mentioned it. No big deal for me.
Bayoublaster
02-09-17, 11:50
The second click could also be the trigger bar spring. That's what our Sig rep said when we asked him about it at the shop. Not all P320s seem to do it. Supposedly it can go away with time and use as well.
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-09-17, 13:06
Mine went away fast. Of course I put a good number of rounds through it per session.
556BlackRifle
02-09-17, 17:02
The second click could also be the trigger bar spring. That's what our Sig rep said when we asked him about it at the shop. Not all P320s seem to do it. Supposedly it can go away with time and use as well.
I noticed it on mine and thought the same thing. When reinserting the FCM I made sure the spring was pressed as far as possible against the module. (The frame kind of does this anyway but, I wanted to be sure.) Anyway, My last range session 275 rounds (~500 total rounds) and it hasn't done that double click thing once.
Accuracy wise, it's been great since day one. I've been packing a Glock since 2000 and shoot them very well. This pistol can out shoot all of my Glocks. My first day of shooting, I was not feeling well and didn't shoot as good as I normally do, but this is the first mag through my P320.
Info on target: 30 rounds @ 15 Yards.
The weird double click thing is a common issue. It happens sometimes when I swap triggers and frames and then goes away.
I can't remember if I've ever found out why. General consensus is it's not really a problem IIRC.
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My first early 2015 320 doesn't have the second click. The one I just purchased does, but only sometimes during dry fire. It is the timing between the striker release, and the trigger bar bumping off the striker block lever. It is a tolerance thing, The pistols with tighter tolerances seem to do it more often. It will go away with time, and it isn't a big deal at all. I suppose if I wasn't familiar with the 320 workings I might have been worried about it, but it really is a non issue.
TXPO
Over 250 rounds through mine today. Various ammo weights and bullets. Has shot perfect so far. Double click deal was not present. Really needs a stipple job for traction though. My biggest gripe is the combat aim from the sights. Switching out the front post should fix that though. I installed the apex flatty, and love it.
Over 250 rounds through mine today. Various ammo weights and bullets. Has shot perfect so far. Double click deal was not present. Really needs a stipple job for traction though. My biggest gripe is the combat aim from the sights. Switching out the front post should fix that though. I installed the apex flatty, and love it.
The "combat zero" is awful. I just swapped mine for a set of Dawsons. The front sight is 0.185, which is a good deal shorter than the factory #6 front. It made a world of difference for me. This was 150 rounds at 10 & 15 yards. POA / POI was perfect, using the top of the blade on center mass.
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The "combat zero" is awful. I just swapped mine for a set of Dawsons. The front sight is 0.185, which is a good deal shorter than the factory #6 front. It made a world of difference for me. This was 150 rounds at 10 & 15 yards. POA / POI was perfect, using the top of the blade on center mass.
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That is shorter! Nice shooting there, I hate covering my target up. I think the 8 front siglite is like .220. I am liking the pistol more and more, my woman just did a damn fine job stippling her up.
That is shorter! Nice shooting there, I hate covering my target up. I think the 8 front siglite is like .220. I am liking the pistol more and more, my woman just did a damn fine job stippling her up.
Correct. Here's the sizing for Sig sights.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170213/c7623ab86968a245c4d4d433bbb7200f.jpg
For comparison, the Dawson rear sight is 0.200 tall vs the Sig #8 at 0.250
For comparison, the Dawson rear sight is 0.200 tall vs the Sig #8 at 0.250
Thank you.
jschmitt08
02-13-17, 21:31
I don't have my 320 in yet, but am also not a fan of the combat sighting on my 229. Does Dawson make similar heights but with a front night sight?
I don't have my 320 in yet, but am also not a fan of the combat sighting on my 229. Does Dawson make similar heights but with a front night sight?
The set I bought was a serrated black rear and tritium front.
jschmitt08
02-13-17, 21:55
The set I bought was a serrated black rear and tritium front.
Do you have a link by chance?
Do you have a link by chance?
You have to order them separately, not sold as a set.
https://dawsonprecision.com/sights/sig-sauer-sights/
jschmitt08
02-13-17, 23:28
You have to order them separately, not sold as a set.
https://dawsonprecision.com/sights/sig-sauer-sights/
Thanks.
Nightstalker865
07-27-17, 21:39
Any updates on the Beretta's Greg?
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The Dumb Gun Collector
07-27-17, 23:50
My Beretta 92G-SD remains my favorite pistol of all time. After my sig 320 started choking I haven't even bothered to play with it or send it back yet I'm so pissed off about it.
I'm shooting 200 to 250 rounds a week through the Beretta mostly Tula or wolf and it is running like a top . I'll go through my book and do a full tally this weekend
B92SD (2168 rounds)
320 (626 rounds)
So far so good. Neither the B92SD nor the 320 has had a single malfunction. Both digest any ammunition, 115, 124, 147, brass, steel, aluminum, Gold dots, HST, etc. Totally trust worthy guns. For the last 400 or so rounds I haven't cleaned the Sig 320 more out of laziness than anything else.
Notes on the 320.
1. The weird Trigger double click is gone both while shooting and in dry firing. I guess it was some sort of burr in the action. I have read that some have trigger slap but mine does not.
2. At first the slide release was VERY tight. This slowed me down on reloads vs the B92. But it has loosed up and this is no longer an issue.
3. The 320 has very good recoil characteristics. However, it is easier to track the front sight on the B92 during Bills and El Prez. However, over 5 shot averaged groups the difference in split times is only .012 in favor of the B92 so you aren't talking about much (over an average of 6 bill drill's each the B92 won by .012 also which was wild) . The splits are more uneven in the 320--with some being a good deal faster than the others compared to the Beretta's nearly perfect cadence.
4. I have attempted to limp wrist the 320 into a malfunction. I can't do it so far, even with very light loaded Blazer brass. I can do this fairly easily with the world standard G19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAuHst-j6eI. Of course, this is just one small test, but so far so good. And the B92 easily passes this test as well.
So far I see why the Army went with the 320 if there examples are like mine. Shoots straight, shoots fast, ejects brass predictably, and isn't grip sensitive. I still prefer the Beretta, but I don't have to lug these things across battlefields.
My Beretta 92G-SD remains my favorite pistol of all time. After my sig 320 started choking I haven't even bothered to play with it or send it back yet I'm so pissed off about it.
I'm shooting 200 to 250 rounds a week through the Beretta mostly Tula or wolf and it is running like a top . I'll go through my book and do a full tally this weekend
What did I miss? I didn't see a post from you between these two.
What did I miss? I didn't see a post from you between these two.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?193978-Project-Break-my-SIG-320-Compact!-UPDATE-FAILURES-TO-EXTRACT!/page10
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?193978-Project-Break-my-SIG-320-Compact!-UPDATE-FAILURES-TO-EXTRACT!/page10
Thanks.
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Now that we all know the Sig 320 is a dangerous non drop safe gun, you can just send it to me for safe keeping :)
Did you see the drop test that Ernest Langdon did on his M9A1? It's on his Facebook page. I cringed when he dropped it the first time and the next, and the next. Actually he cringed also when he dropped it the first time.
The Dumb Gun Collector
08-12-17, 00:50
That was awesome. Langdon is the man.
I cringed when he dropped it the first time and the next, and the next. Actually he cringed also when he dropped it the first time.
You weren't alone in that, I was cringing the whole time as well.
You know he could have taken a NIB, vs a total tricked out bad ass comp gun to drop test it. There is no way to watch that test and not cringe. Yet he did prove his point beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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