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Just picked up a bcm w/ quad rails. I'd like to get a mlok rail but it's all really new to me. I want something quality, lighter weight, durable. Recommendations?
Also- what Midwest industry quad rail comes on the bcm recce 16 non krm? And what's a fair price to ask when I sell it? Pulled off new rifle.
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The price you want to spend, handguard shape/features, items you intend to mount, and general weight goal is really what'll determine what you go with.
The MI rail on the RECCE should be a Gen 2 one-piece, which is like $180 new. I'd probably put it up for $150 and see what happens. You could probably also trade it for another Gen 2 MI rail, and only trade the actual rail itself as I think the Gen 2's all use the same barrel nut (you'd have to verify), but I do think I'd use the opportunity to get a better barrel nut design and mounting system anyway.
Price up to 250ish. I only really intend on mounting a light. As of right now the rifle is 6lbs 5oz. I'd like a sub 6lb setup (not counting anything that gets mounted). I've looked at the geissele mk8, but the profile looks uncomfortable? I want something that's quality, durable and comfortable. I'd like to go mlok because I do like magpul and with the army adopting mlok I feel this will be more of the gold standard.
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If it is just all 'bout mounting a light, why not go with a regular Magpul handguard and one of their lightmounts?
Price up to 250ish. I only really intend on mounting a light. As of right now the rifle is 6lbs 5oz. I'd like a sub 6lb setup (not counting anything that gets mounted). I've looked at the geissele mk8, but the profile looks uncomfortable? I want something that's quality, durable and comfortable. I'd like to go mlok because I do like magpul and with the army adopting mlok I feel this will be more of the gold standard.
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You're not going to go wrong with a MK8. It's not uncomfortable, it feels better than a quad rail for sure, and it's certainly a quality, durable rail. And it's only ~3-4 ounces heavier than the lighter/thinner alternatives. So, anything else is going to be a decision about weight and general profile.
If all you're mounting to it is a light (or sling, or backup front sight), though, the durability tradeoff between the MK8 and a thinner, lighter rail like a CMR M-LOK, for instance, might be worth it to you.
If it is just all 'bout mounting a light, why not go with a regular Magpul handguard and one of their lightmounts?
Seems like a lot of work when he's already got a low profile gas block and no FSB.
556BlackRifle
10-19-16, 10:22
You're not going to go wrong with a MK8. It's not uncomfortable, it feels better than a quad rail for sure, and it's certainly a quality, durable rail. And it's only ~3-4 ounces heavier than the lighter/thinner alternatives. So, anything else is going to be a decision about weight and general profile.
If all you're mounting to it is a light (or sling, or backup front sight), though, the durability tradeoff between the MK8 and a thinner, lighter rail like a CMR M-LOK, for instance, might be worth it to you.
Seems like a lot of work when he's already got a low profile gas block and no FSB.
I agree with Inebriated on the MK8. It's an excellent choice. If you can find one locally, check it out in person and see if it's what you're looking for.
Failure2Stop
10-19-16, 10:50
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Handguard:
http://www.dinzagarms.com/saiga_12/large/akbor12_2.jpg
Handguard:
http://files.harrispublications.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2014/10/imbel-fal-military-surplus-2015-handguard-600x384.1421390464.jpg
Handguard:
https://www.magpul.com/Admin/Public/GetImage.ashx?Image=/Files/Files/Images/Products/Hand%20Guard/MAG551/MAG551-BLK-15.png&Width=1200&Height=700&altFmImage_path=/Files/Files/Images/Products/noImage.png&Crop=5
Handguard:
http://www.del-ton.com/v/vspfiles/photos/HG1012-2.jpg
Rail:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Picatinny.svg
Rail:
http://store.a51tactical.com/images/MB1231.jpg
Quad-Rail Handguard:
https://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/318965.jpg
MLOK Handguard:
https://4b1e874935ea5d25a97e-f099844d0e354c7ab50c55a966be6870.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/product/xalg.jpg
Railed MLOK Handguard:
https://www.magpul.com/Admin/Public/GetImage.ashx?Image=/Files/Files/Images/Products/Rails/MAG602/Single/MAG602-1-15.png&altFmImage_path=/Files/Files/Images/Products/noImage.png&Width=950&Height=450&Crop=5
Point: the thing you hold is a handguard.
The raised mount is the rail.
If you stick rails on a handguard, it's a railed handguard.
An "MLOK Rail" is a piece of rail that you stick to an MLOK handguard, not a handguard with MLOK cut into it.
Long ago, in the way back, we all got lazy and called "Quad Rail Handguards", "Rail Interface Systems", and "Rail Adaptor Systems"; "Rails". We did not have an eye on the future, we were just lazy. Now is the time to fix that.
The cmr mlok RAILS are only 50 or so $ less than the mk8? While currently I only plan on mounting a light, that may change in the future. Are the MI RAILS any good?
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.........Are the MI RAILS any good?
I like the 3 I have. A 12+" and 2 15", all Gen3 lightweight MLok. I did not use the "glue" and they have yet to budge............
Failure2Stop
10-19-16, 13:18
The cmr mlok RAILS are only 50 or so $ less than the mk8? While currently I only plan on mounting a light, that may change in the future. Are the MI RAILS any good?
That's an interesting approach in response.
That's an interesting approach in response.
That's an interesting response to an interesting approach in response there, F2S. I with you on that notion for sure. Reminds me of the old Horse and water saying...
Failure2Stop
10-19-16, 13:39
That's an interesting response to an interesting approach in response there, F2S. I with you on that notion for sure. Reminds me of the old Horse and water saying...
Kinda feel like I led a group of horses to water after seeing one eating dirt, only to have the one eating dirt ask where the best dirt is.
Quite honestly you came off as a prick in your post. But anyways....
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That's an interesting approach in response.
OP is posting from Tapatalk, and on Tapatalk, nothing indicates that you're anything but another user. And when your post doesn't actually address OP's questions and nothing indicates that you're someone worth listening to on a broader point, a sarcastic response isn't that strange to me.
I agree that words have meaning. The drifting from calling railed handguards "rails" is a valid thing to try and correct, but your post seems like it would be more visible as a sticky of its own, rather than a post in a thread that is going to drift into the sea of other handguard threads and get little attention. Just my take on it, anyway. But like I said, I do agree that a shift back to proper nomenclature is a good thing.
ETA - calling an SME a prick changes things, though.
Failure2Stop
10-19-16, 14:30
OP is posting from Tapatalk, and on Tapatalk, nothing indicates that you're anything but another user. And when your post doesn't actually address OP's questions and nothing indicates that you're someone worth listening to on a broader point, a sarcastic response isn't that strange to me.
I agree that words have meaning. The drifting from calling railed handguards "rails" is a valid thing to try and correct, but your post seems like it would be more visible as a sticky of its own, rather than a post in a thread that is going to drift into the sea of other handguard threads and get little attention. Just my take on it, anyway. But like I said, I do agree that a shift back to proper nomenclature is a good thing.
ETA - calling an SME a prick changes things, though.
Yup.
I'm not getting my panties in a twist over it. Internet forum titles don't mean anything to most users, and that assumes that they see those little titles at all in the first place. Not going to flex moderator power on it, nothing that bad there.
The rail vs handguard thing was freshly on my mind and I had a little free time.
Anyway, enough hijack.
Feel free to talk about all the rails you want.
http://www.kallanishenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Adelaide_Darwin_Railway_Line_between_Adelaide_River_and_Pine_Creek_DSC03643.jpg
http://www.entraturnstiles.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/20/files/guard-rail-systems/aluminum-handrail-16-821x1024.jpg
http://www.ryanphotographic.com/images/JPEGS/Gallirallus%20philippensis%20Buff-banded%20rail,%20Namena,%20Fiji-2226.jpg
ALG EMR v2
Affordable, fairly light, very rigid.
I prefer the slightly increased diameter over my MI. If you want more or less rail on your handgaurd they have options for that too.
Failure2stop,
I actually appreciate your posting all of those rail, et al pics. Good info there and you are right that we should all use the correct terminology.
A sincere thanks.
Rich
If it is just all 'bout mounting a light, why not go with a regular Magpul handguard and one of their lightmounts?
I have that setup (and have used it quite a lot in the past). I don't like the light placement (regardless of the rail section ... whether you use a standard section of rail or their "scout" or "extended" rail) as it stands off the HG too far, and has a tendency to bang into barricades, etc.
Failure2stop,
I actually appreciate your posting all of those rail, et al pics. Good info there and you are right that we should all use the correct terminology.
A sincere thanks.
Rich
I'd like to point out the second picture requires further definition as it includes both guard rails and hand rails. Each are regulated differently in the widely adopted International Building Code.
ALG Defense EMR V3 w/ Arisaka Defense Light Mount
And call it a day ;)
OP is posting from Tapatalk, and on Tapatalk, nothing indicates that you're anything but another user. And when your post doesn't actually address OP's questions and nothing indicates that you're someone worth listening to on a broader point, a sarcastic response isn't that strange to me.
I agree that words have meaning. The drifting from calling railed handguards "rails" is a valid thing to try and correct, but your post seems like it would be more visible as a sticky of its own, rather than a post in a thread that is going to drift into the sea of other handguard threads and get little attention. Just my take on it, anyway. But like I said, I do agree that a shift back to proper nomenclature is a good thing.
ETA - calling an SME a prick changes things, though.
Yup.
I'm not getting my panties in a twist over it. Internet forum titles don't mean anything to most users, and that assumes that they see those little titles at all in the first place. Not going to flex moderator power on it, nothing that bad there.
The rail vs handguard thing was freshly on my mind and I had a little free time.
Anyway, enough hijack.
Feel free to talk about all the rails you want.
http://www.kallanishenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Adelaide_Darwin_Railway_Line_between_Adelaide_River_and_Pine_Creek_DSC03643.jpg
http://www.entraturnstiles.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/20/files/guard-rail-systems/aluminum-handrail-16-821x1024.jpg
http://www.ryanphotographic.com/images/JPEGS/Gallirallus%20philippensis%20Buff-banded%20rail,%20Namena,%20Fiji-2226.jpg
The gold crown icon next to ones name in the Tapa app, indicates "Mod". The red crown indicates "ADMIN".
Quite honestly you came off as a prick in your post. But anyways....
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Checking the sig line for someone's industry cred before calling them a prick, especially when you're brand new to the site indicates common sense.
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I'd like to point out the second picture requires further definition as it includes both guard rails and hand rails. Each are regulated differently in the widely adopted International Building Code.
Over 30" high, guard rail required in VA per the 2012 Virginia Construction Code 1013.2(obviously not a residence). The picture depicts a build by a top tier company.........
Sitting here minding my own business reading about rifles and sipping some coffee when out of the blue someone posted a pic that reminded me how I lust for an FAL. Now all I will have visions of the right arm of freedom dancing in my head all day.
ALG V1 for $100.
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Defaultmp3
11-05-16, 14:01
Point: the thing you hold is a handguard.
The raised mount is the rail.
If you stick rails on a handguard, it's a railed handguard.
An "MLOK Rail" is a piece of rail that you stick to an MLOK handguard, not a handguard with MLOK cut into it.
Long ago, in the way back, we all got lazy and called "Quad Rail Handguards", "Rail Interface Systems", and "Rail Adaptor Systems"; "Rails". We did not have an eye on the future, we were just lazy. Now is the time to fix that.I know I'm a little late, but...
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5585/30760986086_181b83b65e_o.png
You need to talk to your webmaster, yo. And maybe tell someone at Daniel Defense to also drop "rail"? Otherwise, the foul descriptivists win yet another battle.
I know I'm a little late, but...
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5585/30760986086_181b83b65e_o.png
You need to talk to your webmaster, yo. And maybe tell someone at Daniel Defense to also drop "rail"? Otherwise, the foul descriptivists win yet another battle.
Good shit right there..........................lol
Nothing like a good rail discussion to get everybody agitated. I asked not long ago and guys were going at it. Did learn that the Geissele handguards are probably the way to go right now. OP hope you find what you're looking for.
Ben
bowman57_2
11-07-16, 17:28
Nothing like a good rail discussion to get everybody agitated. I asked not long ago and guys were going at it. Did learn that the Geissele handguards are probably the way to go right now. OP hope you find what you're looking for.
Ben
If they were a little slimmer the MK8 would be the perfect rail IMO.
I read on this site for 5 years before joining. The number of SME's, Industry partners, Manufacturers, knowledgable members, etc willing to spend their time here and help out has been on a steady decline. I'm not advocating for everyone to kiss their butt's but showing some respect is always in good taste.
Failure2Stop
11-08-16, 13:18
I know I'm a little late, but...
[img]https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5585/30760986086_181b83b65e_o.png[img]
You need to talk to your webmaster, yo. And maybe tell someone at Daniel Defense to also drop "rail"? Otherwise, the foul descriptivists win yet another battle.
Yeah, the fight continues on all fronts.
Magpul is probably the best example of correct naming convention.
I read on this site for 5 years before joining. The number of SME's, Industry partners, Manufacturers, knowledgable members, etc willing to spend their time here and help out has been on a steady decline. I'm not advocating for everyone to kiss their butt's but showing some respect is always in good taste.
I have too but I'll Garunttee Jack got a chuckle outa that as much as the rest of us.
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