View Full Version : Fidel Castro has died
Age 90. They are reporting he actually died Sept. 25th.
ETA... I think that was a typo that has now been corrected from Sept. to Nov.
Or... take your pick....
According to TV reports in Cuba, Castro died at 10:29 p.m. local time.
Cuban state-run television said the former long-time president died at 7pm local time. Castro's brother and current president, Raul Castro, confirmed the news.
According to NBC News, Cuban state television is reporting that Fidel Castro died on November 25, 2016, at the age of 90.
May he rot in commie hell along with Che.
May he rot in commie hell along with Che.
I guess Obama will need to book a Tee time. That's going to be tough with holidays and all. Attend the funeral, play some golf, get back to DC so he can go to Hawaii for Christmas.
SeriousStudent
11-26-16, 00:13
Somebody tell Joe Biden to pick me up a box of stogies on his way back to the airport.
I see a Trump Casino in Havana.
I wonder if there is a succession plan for Castro. Hopefully this will give all the Cubans a chance to live as free people in a democracy.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
11-26-16, 01:47
Colin Kaepernick must be so sad.
I wonder if there is a succession plan for Castro. Hopefully this will give all the Cubans a chance to live as free people in a democracy.
His brother has been "elected" twice, though he has stated that he will not run again in 2018.
Overshadowed by Carol Brady's death...
Presents an interesting challenge or opportunity for Donald Trump.
RIP you filthy Communist.
Grand58742
11-26-16, 08:18
http://www.speakgif.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/well-bye-animated-gif.gif
Does that mean we can get Assata Shakur back so she can die in federal prison?
AK kits and surplus ammo!!!!!
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FromMyColdDeadHand
11-26-16, 10:06
Cuba's former leader reshaped the nation's destiny
Commie News Network headline.
Perhaps the new boss? This is 3.5 years old. Interesting what Castro said about a time frame to rebuild the capital building at end of article.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/24/world/americas/cuba-castro/index.html
( Raul ) Castro then asked how long it had taken to build the Capitol in Havana during its construction in the 1920s.
"A little more than two and a half years," replied Eusebio Leal, Havana's historian and member of the assembly.
"And how long would it take to build today?" Castro asked, referring to the cost overruns and inefficiency endemic to Cuban government construction projects.
"Not less than five," said Vice President Ramiro Valdez, who fought alongside Castro in the revolution and now oversees government public works.
Castro disagreed, saying the current government could not erect the same building in the less than 15 years.
Many don't know Castro was very pro US and approached the US after he took over, and was viewed as a hero in the US at the time by many and had huge crowds when he visited. The US government refused work with him and he turned the Russians and his new narrative after being blown off by the US was that of hero against imperialist US, etc, etc Neither he nor the US wanted that to be well publicized, so both sides suppressed that fact:
"April 15-26: Castro visits the U.S. He is greeted everywhere by cheering crowds. The trip is overshadowed by suspicions that he might be a Communist, but he publicly denies the Communist leanings of some in his inner circle, including his brother Raúl."
See: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/castro/timeline/
Changing topics, Seeing really irksome comments about it on places like FB, etc. I rarely unfriend people for their dumb ass comments, this is a sample of what people are posting, and this idiot was un friended because he was dumb enough to "share" it on my FB page as if I'd agree:
"One of the few men that lived to make a difference, who had the courage to fight against opression and imperialism. He will be missed. RIP."
FromMyColdDeadHand
11-26-16, 10:16
He will be missed? Only by snipers...
It wouldbe nice if Cuba could be actually free.
I would love for a domino effect of all these old hat Latin Communists to age out and die off and everyone to be in the 21st century.
I recall when Rage Against the Machine was "the thing" and kids thought it was cool to wear the Chr shirts.
I was always quick to remind them that he was caught with a full clip and an unfired weapon. I got called "imperialist" and "fascist" so much it was funny because most people who actually cared about the lyrics were considered gay. They were what most people called the "cause of the week" kids.
At the end of the day, Castro died a feeble old man. Woopdeeshit.
Many don't know Castro was very pro US and approached the US after he took over, and was viewed as a hero in the US at the time by many and had huge crowds when he visited. The US government refused work with him and he turned the Russians and his new narrative after being blown off by the US was that of hero against imperialist US, etc, etc Neither he nor the US wanted that to be well publicized, so both sides suppressed that fact:
"April 15-26: Castro visits the U.S. He is greeted everywhere by cheering crowds. The trip is overshadowed by suspicions that he might be a Communist, but he publicly denies the Communist leanings of some in his inner circle, including his brother Raúl."
See: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/castro/timeline/
Changing topics, Seeing really irksome comments about it on places like FB, etc. I rarely unfriend people for their dumb ass comments, this is a sample of what people are posting, and this idiot was un friended because he was dumb enough to "share" it on my FB page as if I'd agree:
"One of the few men that lived to make a difference, who had the courage to fight against opression and imperialism. He will be missed. RIP."
Interestingly enough same with Ho Chi Minh.
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It wouldbe nice if Cuba could be actually free.
I would love for a domino effect of all these old hat Latin Communists to age out and die off and everyone to be in the 21st century.
I recall when Rage Against the Machine was "the thing" and kids thought it was cool to wear the Chr shirts.
I was always quick to remind them that he was caught with a full clip and an unfired weapon. I got called "imperialist" and "fascist" so much it was funny because most people who actually cared about the lyrics were considered gay. They were what most people called the "cause of the week" kids.
At the end of the day, Castro died a feeble old man. Woopdeeshit.
Live long enough, we all will. No one can say he didn't have an impact on the world that will be long lasting. A shitty impact to be sure, but people and history tends to remember those who did chitty things far longer than those who did noble things as a rule.
Interestingly enough same with Ho Chi Minh.
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Interesting. Did not know that. When did Minh approach the US and why? After the French left? As far as I know, he was always a Commie type which would make sense the US would not be interested in work with him, but Castro openly denied it when courting the US and went hard core once the USSR became sugar daddy.
Interesting. Did not know that. When did Minh approach the US and why? After the French left? As far as I know, he was always a Commie type which would make sense the US would not be interested in work with him, but Castro openly denied it when courting the US and went hard core once the USSR became sugar daddy.
Right after WW2. In early 45 he met with OSS agents about providing the allies with intelligence if he could get a line of communication with the leaders. He later attempted to contact Truman multiple times regarding support for Vietnamese independence. Truman never replied. Around the same time he offered David Ben-Gurion a "Jewish home" in exile.
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It wouldbe nice if Cuba could be actually free.
I would love for a domino effect of all these old hat Latin Communists to age out and die off and everyone to be in the 21st century.
I recall when Rage Against the Machine was "the thing" and kids thought it was cool to wear the Chr shirts.
I was always quick to remind them that he was caught with a full clip and an unfired weapon. I got called "imperialist" and "fascist" so much it was funny because most people who actually cared about the lyrics were considered gay. They were what most people called the "cause of the week" kids.
At the end of the day, Castro died a feeble old man. Woopdeeshit.
Agreed, he was old, whoopdy****indoo.
As to the Che shirts, I love them. Some greedy capitalist decided to use his image to make money in the very system he railed against. The irony is sweeter than honey, especially since it's lost on the idiots who wear the shirts...
High Tower
11-26-16, 11:53
Interesting. Did not know that. When did Minh approach the US and why? After the French left? As far as I know, he was always a Commie type which would make sense the US would not be interested in work with him, but Castro openly denied it when courting the US and went hard core once the USSR became sugar daddy.
He wanted our help in getting the French out after the war. For some reason or another, we wanted to remain allied to the French so refused Ho so he went to the Chinese.
He wanted our help in getting the French out after the war.
Via political pressure? He was clearly smart enough to know the US would not take military action in that situation against the French
For some reason or another, we wanted to remain allied to the French so refused Ho so he went to the Chinese.
Makes sense if you think about it. It was "business" to force the French out, but he no doubt realized being allied with western powers the better deal. Also, didn't the Chinese and Vietnamese historically not like each other? It was a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" relationship I had thought.
Tells us all we need to know. What various leaders say about Castro's death will be telling on many levels. I'd expect Obama to say something similarly stupid and PC. Post statements from other leaders as you find them:
Statement by the Prime Minister of Canada on the death of former Cuban President Fidel Castro
November 26, 2016
The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today issued the following statement on the death of former Cuban President Fidel Castro:
“It is with deep sorrow that I learned today of the death of Cuba’s longest serving President.
“Fidel Castro was a larger than life leader who served his people for almost half a century. A legendary revolutionary and orator, Mr. Castro made significant improvements to the education and healthcare of his island nation.
“While a controversial figure, both Mr. Castro’s supporters and detractors recognized his tremendous dedication and love for the Cuban people who had a deep and lasting affection for “el Comandante”.
“I know my father was very proud to call him a friend and I had the opportunity to meet Fidel when my father passed away. It was also a real honour to meet his three sons and his brother President Raúl Castro during my recent visit to Cuba.
“On behalf of all Canadians, Sophie and I offer our deepest condolences to the family, friends and many, many supporters of Mr. Castro. We join the people of Cuba today in mourning the loss of this remarkable leader.”
http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2016/11/26/statement-prime-minister-canada-death-former-cuban-president-fidel-castro
Tells us all we need to know. What various leaders say about Castro's death will be telling on many levels. I'd expect Obama to say something similarly stupid and PC. Post statements from other leaders as you find them:
Statement by the Prime Minister of Canada on the death of former Cuban President Fidel Castro
November 26, 2016
The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today issued the following statement on the death of former Cuban President Fidel Castro:
“It is with deep sorrow that I learned today of the death of Cuba’s longest serving President.
“Fidel Castro was a larger than life leader who served his people for almost half a century. A legendary revolutionary and orator, Mr. Castro made significant improvements to the education and healthcare of his island nation.
“While a controversial figure, both Mr. Castro’s supporters and detractors recognized his tremendous dedication and love for the Cuban people who had a deep and lasting affection for “el Comandante”.
“I know my father was very proud to call him a friend and I had the opportunity to meet Fidel when my father passed away. It was also a real honour to meet his three sons and his brother President Raúl Castro during my recent visit to Cuba.
“On behalf of all Canadians, Sophie and I offer our deepest condolences to the family, friends and many, many supporters of Mr. Castro. We join the people of Cuba today in mourning the loss of this remarkable leader.”
http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2016/11/26/statement-prime-minister-canada-death-former-cuban-president-fidel-castro
Unbelievable. That anyone has anything good to say about the man is simply mind boggling. Will, you are correct - how someone views a dictator such as Castro is a litmus test for many many things.
High Tower
11-26-16, 13:02
Via political pressure? He was clearly smart enough to know the US would not take military action in that situation against the French
Makes sense if you think about it. It was "business" to force the French out, but he no doubt realized being allied with western powers the better deal. Also, didn't the Chinese and Vietnamese historically not like each other? It was a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" relationship I had thought.
Indeed. I think he knew it was a reach to ask for our help against the French, but maybe he was counting on our bad taste from the Vichy government?
Yeah it is interesting that they asked the Chinese for help. To this day, there are minor border skirmishes between the two countries.
Unbelievable. That anyone has anything good to say about the man is simply mind boggling. Will, you are correct - how someone views a dictator such as Castro is a litmus test for many many things.
Obama went pretty neutral and didn't go full 'tard as Trudeau did above and Trump called him what a he was at least.
Indeed. I think he knew it was a reach to ask for our help against the French, but maybe he was counting on our bad taste from the Vichy government?
Yeah it is interesting that they asked the Chinese for help. To this day, there are minor border skirmishes between the two countries.
We saved the Russians ass in WWII and helped China immensely against the Japanese occupation, etc, so "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is as it always was. Makes perfect sense he's turn to the Chinese really.
Ned Christiansen
11-26-16, 14:26
Heads of state I think, will tend to be constrained somewhat in comments by an unwritten head-of-state etiquette, kinda like most of them that hate each other don't go around blaring "somebody needs to kill that SOB". Or, yes, call it political correctness.
I'll say this. What Fidel stood for and did when first his name was heard, and being a handsome and charismatic firebrand, and given that Cuba was indeed getting taken advantage of in a textbook example of corruption / money talks / big business dictates to the dictator, I can't blame Cubans for supporting him in those days. After the big switcheroo ("oh yeah by the way this is gonna be a communist thing"), different story.
He was even on the Ed Sullivan Show, anybody got a clip of that?
I'm no expert on all this but Hugo Chavez wanted to be pals with the US. I think our approach should have been, OK Hugo, but here's how it's gotta be. Instead we immediately rebuffed him and I think with his personality type, that rejection supercharged his need for attention so he went everyplace we would not want him to go, and he went to lengths to make us pay (in his mind) for hurting his little feelings. Same thing with Fidel....? Maybe he could have been "our boy" like Batista before him, maybe with some new bennies to the Cuban people to make it all worthwhile.
Not saying "It's all our fault" by any means, just saying that I wonder if a little less hardnosed-ness might have changed things for the better.
"Havana" with Robert Redford is a really good movie about the ouster of Batista.... one of my faves.
Heads of state I think, will tend to be constrained somewhat in comments by an unwritten head-of-state etiquette, kinda like most of them that hate each other do go around blaring "somebody needs to kill that SOB". Or, yes, call it political correctness.
I'll say this. What Fidel stood for and did when first his name was heard, and being a handsome and charismatic firebrand, and given that Cuba was indeed getting taken advantage of in a textbook example of corruption / money talks / big business dictates to the dictator, I can't blame Cubans for supporting him in those days. After the big switcheroo ("oh yeah by the way this is gonna be a communist thing"), different story.
He was even on the Ed Sullivan Show, anybody got a clip of that?
I'm no expert on all this but Hugo Chavez wanted to be pals with the US. I think our approach should have been, OK Hugo, but here's how it's gotta be. Instead we immediately rebuffed him and I think with his personality type, that rejection supercharged his need for attention so he went everyplace we would not want him to go, and he went to lengths to make us pay (in his mind) for hurting his little feelings. Same thing with Fidel....? Maybe he could have been "our boy" like Batista before him, maybe with some new bennies to the Cuban people to make it all worthwhile.
Not saying "It's all our fault" by any means, just saying that I wonder if a little less hardnosed-ness might have changed things for the better.
"Havana" with Robert Redford is a really good movie about the ouster of Batista.... one of my faves.
And taking history lessons from Hollywood movies is a good thing why? There's a reason why Fidel and Che were media darlings here in the US. They were seen as fellow travelers in the Socialist cause. Joe McCarthy was right, then, as now, the MSM was infested with leftists. Yes, Batista was corrupt, but Che and the Castros were just as bad.
And taking history lessons from Hollywood movies is a good thing why? There's a reason why Fidel and Che were media darlings here in the US. They were seen as fellow travelers in the Socialist cause. Joe McCarthy was right, then, as now, the MSM was infested with leftists. Yes, Batista was corrupt, but Che and the Castros were just as bad.
What replaces a corrupt regime often as bad or worse, and many Cuban's at the time who thought they'd been given their island back, realized they'd gone from the pan into the fire so to speak. As is often the case, your savior ends up being your oppressor.
MountainRaven
11-26-16, 17:08
Indeed. I think he knew it was a reach to ask for our help against the French, but maybe he was counting on our bad taste from the Vichy government?
Yeah it is interesting that they asked the Chinese for help. To this day, there are minor border skirmishes between the two countries.
The United States was supporting Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh against the Japanese during WWII.
The US was also pressuring Britain and France to give up their Empires as condition to US assistance in fighting Germany. FDR was quite clear that France was not to resume control of French Indo-China (Vietnam) after the end of hostilities in the Pacific.
However, FDR died and Charles de Gaulle was loathe to give up the French empire and sent in French paratroopers at the same time US troops were landing in French Indo-China and Chiang Kai-Shek's troops came out of China to accept the surrender of the Japanese forces in French Indo-China.
Since the US wasn't willing to go to war with Charles de Gaulle, the US stopped supporting Ho Chi Minh. So Ho Chi Minh went to Mao and Stalin and got assistance from them instead. And then along came the domino theory and suddenly the US was supporting the French it had (non-violently) opposed and fighting the Vietnamese it had (violently) supported.
What replaces a corrupt regime often as bad or worse, and many Cuban's at the time who thought they'd been given their island back, realized they'd gone from the pan into the fire so to speak. As is often the case, your savior ends up being your oppressor.
Much like the French Revolution and Robespierre.
The United States was supporting Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh against the Japanese during WWII.
The US was also pressuring Britain and France to give up their Empires as condition to US assistance in fighting Germany. FDR was quite clear that France was not to resume control of French Indo-China (Vietnam) after the end of hostilities in the Pacific.
However, FDR died and Charles de Gaulle was loathe to give up the French empire and sent in French paratroopers at the same time US troops were landing in French Indo-China and Chiang Kai-Shek's troops came out of China to accept the surrender of the Japanese forces in French Indo-China.
Since the US wasn't willing to go to war with Charles de Gaulle, the US stopped supporting Ho Chi Minh. So Ho Chi Minh went to Mao and Stalin and got assistance from them instead. And then along came the domino theory and suddenly the US was supporting the French it had (non-violently) opposed and fighting the Vietnamese it had (violently) supported.
As it has been said: politics makes for strange bedfellows
PatrioticDisorder
11-26-16, 18:55
Many don't know Castro was very pro US and approached the US after he took over, and was viewed as a hero in the US at the time by many and had huge crowds when he visited. The US government refused work with him and he turned the Russians and his new narrative after being blown off by the US was that of hero against imperialist US, etc, etc Neither he nor the US wanted that to be well publicized, so both sides suppressed that fact:
"April 15-26: Castro visits the U.S. He is greeted everywhere by cheering crowds. The trip is overshadowed by suspicions that he might be a Communist, but he publicly denies the Communist leanings of some in his inner circle, including his brother Raúl."
See: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/castro/timeline/
Changing topics, Seeing really irksome comments about it on places like FB, etc. I rarely unfriend people for their dumb ass comments, this is a sample of what people are posting, and this idiot was un friended because he was dumb enough to "share" it on my FB page as if I'd agree:
"One of the few men that lived to make a difference, who had the courage to fight against opression and imperialism. He will be missed. RIP."
You know when I was living in Miami I met relatives to people named in that timeline like Huber Matos, very small world.
Sorry--can't resist it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgiJ0OS9LwU&app=desktop
Ned Christiansen
11-26-16, 21:39
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"Havana" with Robert Redford is a really good movie about the ouster of Batista.... one of my faves.
It is indeed just a movie and not a history lesson. I worded it wrong, it is not "about" the regime change, it is a fictional story set in that timeframe. It's a good movie in my opinion and the revolution in the background, threatening an end to the wickedness of Havana and "maybe" bringing its own, adds a lot of tension.
Here's the glowing comments from world leaders about what a great human being was Castro. So far, it appears only Trump has the nards to actually be honest:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/11/26/world-leaders-react-to-fidel-castros-death.html
RetroRevolver77
11-27-16, 08:33
According to Brian Williams the people of Cuba prefer to use a donkey cart for transportation.
Brian Williams: "Cubans use donkey carts because that’s exactly what they’d rather have for transportation.”
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/11/26/brian-williams-cubans-rather-donkey-carts-transportation/
Outlander Systems
11-27-16, 10:59
I enjoyed his performances in, "Easy to Wed" and, "Holiday in Mexico."
According to Brian Williams the people of Cuba prefer to use a donkey cart for transportation.
Brian Williams: "Cubans use donkey carts because that’s exactly what they’d rather have for transportation.”
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/11/26/brian-williams-cubans-rather-donkey-carts-transportation/
Probably true. Beats carrying all that shit yourself. And not like most of them could afford cars if they existed in larger numbers. They are lucky to have a donkey.
Averageman
11-27-16, 13:47
Probably true. Beats carrying all that shit yourself. And not like most of them could afford cars if they existed in larger numbers. They are lucky to have a donkey.
The beast of burden that can later be wrapped in a tortilla, they don't call 'em burrito's for nuthin'.
Here's to hoping Brian Williams has eaten about six of them during his world travels, all while enlightening us gringos on the third worlds fun and pleasures.
You know when they finally oust these Communists, I hope they give Ol' Brian a little tour of some of the Cuban Prisons. He can then explain how "The Rack" was really a form of Chiropractic Medicine.
Yeppers, yeppers...
I'm sure Tony Montana really, really missed his donkey cart. That's where it went tits up for him. That right there. The minute he stopped having a donkey cart. The Porsche, the M203, and the 1981 vintage Michelle Pfeiffer simply could not fill the utter void in his heart of not having his donkey cart
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