DD Fails AKOU Hard Use Test

[PrevailFI]

https://youtu.be/8IJU0zm1glY

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[signal4l]

I would remove the trigger, hammer, disco. My guess is that there is some debris in there that is preventing reset

[markm]

Very odd.

[PrevailFI]

I would remove the trigger, hammer, disco. My guess is that there is some debris in there that is preventing reset
Rob says no primer or foreign object, but after disassembly/ reassembly, it stopped malfing. Interesting to see if he allows it to continue, as he's been very strict and fair about non-field- reducible stoppages being " kanyetz robotu".

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[GrumpyM4]

AR LPK's don't just stop like that unless they're broken or have debris inside.

Two forms of failure to reset would be failure of disco to catch which would lead to occasional doubles as it would let the hammer ride the BC forward and cause slam fires, but this never happened that I saw in the video. The other failure to reset would be the disco catching, but not releasing to the hammer when the trigger is released which would, in the even that there was no damage to the parts, mean that something was catching under the disco and not allowing it full range of motion to release.

If disassembling and re-assembling fixed it, there was something in there and it fell out when he disassembled it and simply didn't see what it was, would be my guess.

Could have happened to any gun.

[WickedWillis]

PSA > DD

Lol. Oh yeah?

Something is amiss in the lower. He might have to strip the lower to find the problem. Should be interesting to see what he says going forward.

[Doc Safari]

I'll just say that the problem with a sample of ONE, is that the results are valid for: ONE.

That goes for any so-called torture test. You never know if your one sample had that unicorn problem that wouldn't turn up again over 1,000 units, or if it's endemic to a whole production run.

That's why you have to test a larger sample.

[1911-A1]

Man, I'd hate to be a gun manufacturer in the YouTube era.

You sink millions into R&D, infrastructure, machines, supply, quality control, reputation, etc and some dude with a YouTube channel abuses a sample size of one, finds an issue, and suddenly your whole brand is suspect and now you're doing damage control and legitimizing the whole "test" because what choice do you have? Even worse, the guy isn't an engineer, QC specialist, or even a gunsmith so when he finds a weird issue that he can't explain, he doesn't know what he doesn't know.

AKOU, MAC, Nutnfancy, all the big names shoot one gun in a unscientific, uncontrolled test and hundreds of thousands of gun owners see it and since they have nothing else to go on, no 10 rifle sample from a production line, no control group, and shooting whatever brand of ammo happens to be sponsoring the channel that month. "So today we'll be evaluating this SR-15 E3 with Freedom Munitions remanufactured .223 and I tell ya, this is really great stuff. I've shot well over 50 rounds and it's been just flawless ammo..."

The fact that these aren't controlled, scientific tests illustrates the problem with only testing one sample of each weapon. Take MAC's VP9 tests for example. How is his mud recipe made? Does he sift the dirt first? What if the malfunction was a one-off tolerance issue that other guns didn't have? Maybe 9 more guns would have chewed through the test just fine. Then what? You can't just chuck a gun in a bucket of mud and hold that up as an example of an entire line of products.

I know they are just after views, and they don't have the budget to buy 10 guns just to abuse them, but let's put these performances in perspective. They're not tests, they're entertainment.

[MeanCarbine]

This is unpossible.

[WickedWillis]

Man, I'd hate to be a gun manufacturer in the YouTube era.

You sink millions into R&D, infrastructure, machines, supply, quality control, reputation, etc and some dude with a YouTube channel abuses a sample size of one, finds an issue, and suddenly your whole brand is suspect and now you're doing damage control and legitimizing the whole "test" because what choice do you have? Even worse, the guy isn't an engineer, QC specialist, or even a gunsmith so when he finds a weird issue that he can't explain, he doesn't know what he doesn't know.

AKOU, MAC, Nutnfancy, all the big names shoot one gun in a unscientific, uncontrolled test and hundreds of thousands of gun owners see it and since they have nothing else to go on, no 10 rifle sample from a production line, no control group, and shooting whatever brand of ammo happens to be sponsoring the channel that month. "So today we'll be evaluating this SR-15 E3 with Freedom Munitions remanufactured .223 and I tell ya, this is really great stuff. I've shot well over 50 rounds and it's been just flawless ammo..."

The fact that these aren't controlled, scientific tests illustrates the problem with only testing one sample of each weapon. Take MAC's VP9 tests for example. How is his mud recipe made? Does he sift the dirt first? What if the malfunction was a one-off tolerance issue that other guns didn't have? Maybe 9 more guns would have chewed through the test just fine. Then what? You can't just chuck a gun in a bucket of mud and hold that up as an example of an entire line of products.

I know they are just after views, and they don't have the budget to buy 10 guns just to abuse them, but let's put these performances in perspective. They're not tests, they're entertainment.

100% completely on point. The only problem is, this is the shit that twitch ADD gun guys out there see and instantly disregard the product because of one test. We are so over-saturated with convenience that most people refuse to research anything and take every single thing at face value.

[Rob Ski]

Man, I'd hate to be a gun manufacturer in the YouTube era.

You sink millions into R&D, infrastructure, machines, supply, quality control, reputation, etc and some dude with a YouTube channel abuses a sample size of one, finds an issue, and suddenly your whole brand is suspect and now you're doing damage control and legitimizing the whole "test" because what choice do you have? Even worse, the guy isn't an engineer, QC specialist, or even a gunsmith so when he finds a weird issue that he can't explain, he doesn't know what he doesn't know.

AKOU, MAC, Nutnfancy, all the big names shoot one gun in a unscientific, uncontrolled test and hundreds of thousands of gun owners see it and since they have nothing else to go on, no 10 rifle sample from a production line, no control group, and shooting whatever brand of ammo happens to be sponsoring the channel that month. "So today we'll be evaluating this SR-15 E3 with Freedom Munitions remanufactured .223 and I tell ya, this is really great stuff. I've shot well over 50 rounds and it's been just flawless ammo..."

The fact that these aren't controlled, scientific tests illustrates the problem with only testing one sample of each weapon. Take MAC's VP9 tests for example. How is his mud recipe made? Does he sift the dirt first? What if the malfunction was a one-off tolerance issue that other guns didn't have? Maybe 9 more guns would have chewed through the test just fine. Then what? You can't just chuck a gun in a bucket of mud and hold that up as an example of an entire line of products.

I know they are just after views, and they don't have the budget to buy 10 guns just to abuse them, but let's put these performances in perspective. They're not tests, they're entertainment.

Often, criticism is that our tests are "completely unscientific, pure garbage and they hold no value whatsoever".
Well, ok, I will bite.
Yes, when rifle is drop into the water, sometimes water temperature is 35F, sometimes it is 75F. True, this isn't your typical laboratory environment, but I don't think you have to have weather app to tell you if you can use your rifle or not...if rifle will get dropped into the water, I fully expect that rifle to work after removing from the water...regardless of water temperature.
When drooping rifle on concrete, sometimes rifles are dropped from slightly different heights - this is true. We do best we can to keep dropping them from the same level, but there are few inches differences from time to time. However, none of rifles is ever dropped from over 6'. I hate to say this, but I expect rifle to be fully operational after being dropped to concrete from up to 6'...including rails those rifles are equipped with, especially when those rails are used to set iron sights on them.
As for sand tornado test - yes, this is purely done for fun - I said this numerous times, there is no way to control flow of sand, simply because of wind shifts. Now that being said, no rifle was ever dropped from 5k rds test because it performed poorly in sand tornado test...also, sand tornado test gives you some understanding on how much dirt specific rifle will tolerate in action before it stops...
Push ups and pull ups tests are done mainly to test integrity of magazine well and put stress on trunnions (for AKs).
But all those elements are just the icing on the cake. Main goal of 5k rds tests is to put "mileage" on the guns going through this test.
To see how all the rifle components are behaving and how they are tolerating (or not) extensive use in short time period.
This is data generated from the basic trigger pulling. No magic here. No other YouTube outfit, gives you info like this on weapons tested...
Now at least you can see what to expect from gun you are thinking about to buy. You can simply make better decision on what you should buy.
Just this year we went trough our RAS47 self destructing trunnion adventures, our Arsenal SLR107 bubbling finish problems (it prompted Arsenal to response and offer to refinish rifles experiencing this problem at no cost to users), my IO jammomatic, with self drifting from recoil front sights, cracks in my Zastava NPAP receiver and snapped extractor on DDI newest rifle...
I don't know, but in my eyes, that's some interesting feedback from so called "uneducated morons", like some critics like to call us...
Ultimately it is up to you guys, viewers and subscribers to decide what you like to watch and read.
The moment, when majority of you will tell me, that what AK Operators Union is doing is pointless, will be the moment i will pull the plug on it. Game over.

[KalashniKEV]

They're not tests, they're entertainment.

...and they are entertaining.

Who would watch a scientific test with controlled variables and all that bullshit for fun?

Even without the crazy accent or homeless infidel beard they would quickly lose their entertainment value.

The value even increases when you go on the internet and discuss them with butt-hurt-folks. Increases exponentially.

I love it. Especially when big names choke hard like cheap junk in HD quality. I find it... DELISH.

[dylank0723]

Often, criticism is that our tests are "completely unscientific, pure garbage and they hold no value whatsoever".
Well, ok, I will bite.
Yes, when rifle is drop into the water, sometimes water temperature is 35F, sometimes it is 75F. True, this isn't your typical laboratory environment, but I don't think you have to have weather app to tell you if you can use your rifle or not...if rifle will get dropped into the water, I fully expect that rifle to work after removing from the water...regardless of water temperature.
When drooping rifle on concrete, sometimes rifles are dropped from slightly different heights - this is true. We do best we can to keep dropping them from the same level, but there are few inches differences from time to time. However, none of rifles is ever dropped from over 6'. I hate to say this, but I expect rifle to be fully operational after being dropped to concrete from up to 6'...including rails those rifles are equipped with, especially when those rails are used to set iron sights on them.
As for sand tornado test - yes, this is purely done for fun - I said this numerous times, there is no way to control flow of sand, simply because of wind shifts. Now that being said, no rifle was ever dropped from 5k rds test because it performed poorly in sand tornado test...also, sand tornado test gives you some understanding on how much dirt specific rifle will tolerate in action before it stops...
Push ups and pull ups tests are done mainly to test integrity of magazine well and put stress on trunnions (for AKs).
But all those elements are just the icing on the cake. Main goal of 5k rds tests is to put "mileage" on the guns going through this test.
To see how all the rifle components are behaving and how they are tolerating (or not) extensive use in short time period.
This is data generated from the basic trigger pulling. No magic here. No other YouTube outfit, gives you info like this on weapons tested...
Now at least you can see what to expect from gun you are thinking about to buy. You can simply make better decision on what you should buy.
Just this year we went trough our RAS47 self destructing trunnion adventures, our Arsenal SLR107 bubbling finish problems (it prompted Arsenal to response and offer to refinish rifles experiencing this problem at no cost to users), my IO jammomatic, with self drifting from recoil front sights, cracks in my Zastava NPAP receiver and snapped extractor on DDI newest rifle...
I don't know, but in my eyes, that's some interesting feedback from so called "uneducated morons", like some critics like to call us...
Ultimately it is up to you guys, viewers and subscribers to decide what you like to watch and read.
The moment, when majority of you will tell me, that what AK Operators Union is doing is pointless, will be the moment i will pull the plug on it. Game over.

rob what brand of ammo were you using? bet it was a blown primer that fell out when you separated the halves


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[Furbyballer]

I think, technically by robs rules, he was able to fix it himself with no tools so it can continue. Definitely weird to see though.

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[Rob Ski]

rob what brand of ammo were you using? bet it was a blown primer that fell out when you separated the halves


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I was using ZQI and Wolf GOLD ammo. I'm well aware of the "blown primers" troubles, that's why i took special care when opening receiver. I couldn't find anything inside. If it was debris fault, then it had to fall out without me seeing it.

[dylank0723]

I was using ZQI and Wolf GOLD ammo. I'm well aware of the "blown primers" troubles, that's why i took special care when opening receiver. I couldn't find anything inside. If it was debris fault, then it had to fall out without me seeing it.

i'm putting my money on something falling out, given how it kinda self corrected after you put it back together


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[Rob Ski]

I think, technically by robs rules, he was able to fix it himself with no tools so it can continue. Definitely weird to see though.

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Yes, this is the weirdest thing i have seen, because i couldn't find clear reason for it. I will be watching disconnector spring like a hawk now. We will see. Plenty of rounds left for shooting here...

[KalashniKEV]

i'm putting my money on something falling out, given how it kinda self corrected after you put it back together

I think the disconnector spring became partially unseated from the drop.

A primer is too large to miss or to fall through from around the trigger, and anything blocking the disconnector from moving should have been large enough to see.

[dylank0723]

I think the disconnector spring became partially unseated from the drop.

A primer is too large to miss or to fall through from around the trigger, and anything blocking the disconnector from moving should have been large enough to see.

that's a good point too


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