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Hey all,
Everyone once in a while the wife and I think about relocating but have never really solved the puzzle of where? Been here in Vegas 14 years and it is a great place to live for a lot of reasons, no state income tax, no shortage of employment of options (for me at least), endless places to shoot outdoors, great offroading and on and on; but you can only stay in one place so long, right? So where would you move if you a; wanted to shoot on your own property (I'm thinking 500 yards) and b; had to be within a half hour or so of a casino? And no, I don't have a gambling problem :D
Thanks.
Dist. Expert 26
01-02-17, 17:34
Western NC.
If you get a decent piece of land you can easily get 500+ yards, the cost of living is relatively low and you have access to tens of thousands of acres of national forest. Get a motorcycle and you're in the best riding spot in the country.
There's two casinos out here, both owned by the local tribe. Although I'd advise against playing the slots at either...just a hint.
Try some cooler weather and altitude not so far from where you are now in N. AZ
California would be so perfect for a lot of things if it weren't so backwards.
Even NY. Once you're in the boonies, it's not bad.
Georgia can be a good state but it can also be unforgivably redneck at times. I'm not a drinker but some of the blue laws are pointless.
At this point I'd either go to VA or FL. Texas is tempting but even Texas isn't the gun utopia people think it is. Plus it is boring.
VA isnt far away from real cities for shopping, doing stuff and FL has stuff to do plus beach.
The biggest problem is that State X may have good opportunities and culture but lacks freedom then State Y has a lot of freedom but no opportunities.
I would LOVE to live back northeast again but the gun laws and the urban scourge (dope, poverty) have really stripped it of its luster.
I will say that despite my little gripes, down here I can buy whatever gun I want, the cashier lady looks over my paperwork and gives me my stuff and says "Have fun, Sweetie". Any other state so far acts leery like I'm interested in Weapons Grade Plutonium or something. All because I wanted to physically handle something I saw online or whatever.
But after a while there's nothing to do here.
Politics have ruined this country.
But I'm being a debbie downer.
Wherever you can be you is ultimately home.
Good luck whatever you do.
Eurodriver
01-02-17, 18:15
Western NC.
If you get a decent piece of land you can easily get 500+ yards, the cost of living is relatively low and you have access to tens of thousands of acres of national forest. Get a motorcycle and you're in the best riding spot in the country.
There's two casinos out here, both owned by the local tribe. Although I'd advise against playing the slots at either...just a hint.
I talked to JoshNC and he said very similar about western NC.
Dist. Expert 26
01-02-17, 18:28
I talked to JoshNC and he said very similar about western NC.
It's really a great place to live. I thought Michigan was awesome growing up, but now I go back and wonder what the hell I was thinking.
If you ever get sick of that retiree-infested swamp I'd suggest you come on up to the mountains too.
It's really a great place to live. I thought Michigan was awesome growing up, but now I go back and wonder what the hell I was thinking.
If you ever get sick of that retiree-infested swamp I'd suggest you come on up to the mountains too.
Not Euro, but I love the beach but feel much better in the hills. Everyone has a cellar, a Bronco or Blazer is gold, and at night it feels like staring into space.
Strap on a Model 29 and sling up a Winchester 70 and go hunt a b'ar.
I miss the old swimmin' holes.
Maybe I just miss being a kid
I really wanted to move to western NC temporarily, but I got stuck back in OH, then moved to Eastern PA.
I've decided I'm moving to SW FL, it's just a question of when. Great fishing, a lot of shooting, and some hunting.
Dist. Expert 26
01-02-17, 18:39
Not Euro, but I love the beach but feel much better in the hills. Everyone has a cellar, a Bronco or Blazer is gold, and at night it feels like staring into space.
Strap on a Model 29 and sling up a Winchester 70 and go hunt a b'ar.
I miss the old swimmin' holes.
Maybe I just miss being a kid
Well around here it's a Tacoma, but same difference.
A lot of times when I get home from work I'll stand outside, look up at the stars and bask in the glory of feeling totally disconnected from humanity. No cars driving by, no street lights, just the sounds of nature. And the occasional domestic argument from down the holler, but you can't ask for everything.
I still go to the swimming holes in the summer, only now I go in my boat. Or I'll go out in the middle of nowhere on the bike. A lot of times it's like being a kid again, only my backyard is a whole lot bigger.
HighDesert
01-02-17, 19:14
I talked to JoshNC and he said very similar about western NC.
We move from Manhattan to Arizona a few months after we married to start our family. We had both our kids there. Absolutely LOVED it, but after 4 years we missed our family on the east coast too much and those 5 hours flights get very old and expensive real quick with 2 toddlers.
We did a ton of research and could have moved anywhere in the country - we moved to NC. It is the best decision we've ever made in our life for our family. It's just phenomenal in every way.
If we were at the empty nester stage I'm our lives, we would have stayed in Scottsdale - but it is changing a lot and quickly. It is booming and the real estate market is just crazy - even back during the housing bust it was still a wild market. Schools are horrible too. But again, if we didn't have kids it would have been easy to stay.
North Carolina's casinos or Alabama, Mississippi are not even close in comparison to a Vegas casino.
Thanks, some interesting responses so far.
Western NC.
If you get a decent piece of land you can easily get 500+ yards, the cost of living is relatively low and you have access to tens of thousands of acres of national forest. Get a motorcycle and you're in the best riding spot in the country.
There's two casinos out here, both owned by the local tribe. Although I'd advise against playing the slots at either...just a hint.
NC is definite consideration, not a million miles from the Ocean and closer to the UK where I am originally from.
Try some cooler weather and altitude not so far from where you are now in N. AZ
Possible. New Mexico also works too but I don't know too much about the state.
Georgia can be a good state but it can also be unforgivably redneck at times. I'm not a drinker but some of the blue laws are pointless.
At this point I'd either go to VA or FL. Texas is tempting but even Texas isn't the gun utopia people think it is. Plus it is boring.
VA isnt far away from real cities for shopping, doing stuff and FL has stuff to do plus beach.
Politics have ruined this country.
Good luck whatever you do.
Thank you sir. And you are correct, politics are making a mess of this country. Not sure about VA; don't they have a lot of goofy traffic laws and over zealous highway patrol? The wife likes TX and GA but no casinos. I would have to get into a career change at that point.
What about Utah?
No casinos at this time.
North Carolina's casinos or Alabama, Mississippi are not even close in comparison to a Vegas casino.
Very true, but when I get tired of the hustle here, it will work just fine. And potentially, in the land of the blind the one eye man is king :)
Dist. Expert 26
01-02-17, 19:30
North Carolina's casinos or Alabama, Mississippi are not even close in comparison to a Vegas casino.
I'm in complete agreement there. I have the unfortunate honor of working at one of them here in NC and we tend to be years behind the curve. That being said, it's still reportedly the highest earning casino Harrah's owns, probably just due to location and lack of competition.
Just in the process of buying 12+ acres that back up to USFS land just outside of Pocatello, ID. Reservation casino less than 30 miles away (personally never gamble). Looking forward to building a home in the spring. Will be 3.5 hours from both of our adult children and my brother (all in different directions). Just might be the last move if things work out...
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I'll throw my state into the ring as well.
Wisconsin Dells (south-central WI) has a casino (Ho-Chunk), and a crap-load of water parks and other touristy stuff. Go North, East, or West from there, and you have decent opportunities at buying some land or getting in good with a friendly neighbor for access to shoot or hunt (great whitetails). About 30 minutes Southeast will put you near the Winnequah Gun Club (http://winnequahgunclub.org). If you can't find the space on your own, WGC has multiple ranges (one out to 1200 yards) action shooting bays, a silhouette range, and an indoor pistol range. The club also has regular events for high-power, F-class, Palma, 3 Gun, and USPSA.
Want to get to a bigger city for the weekend? You're 3 hours from Chicago or the Twin Cities, 2 hours from Milwaukee, and 1 hour from Madison (politics aside, it is a fun city with good food, drink, and music). Want to get lost? Again, East, West, or North for about 20 minutes and you can find what you're looking for property and solitude-wise.
I won't lie to you: it does get cold here.
SeriousStudent
01-02-17, 20:55
Just to sow some confusion, have you thought about eastern Oklahoma or northwestern Arkansas? Very pretty country, and the folks I have met there are all very nice.
Land is relatively cheap, they do have casinos. Oklahoma is also the only state that voted completely red, as close as I can remember.
There's also a lot of good trainers and facilities there. The economy is pretty good, not a lot of boom and bust like Vegas.
Oh, and we will help you change your screen name after the move. ;)
Wyoming. No state income tax. Very free. Just inhospitable enough with the winter and wind that the FSA and liberal elitists/statists are unlikely to move in (with exception of Jackson Hole). Outstanding long range shooting options. Great skiing in multiple places. And looks like it has a few casinos.
Idaho has similar opportunities/attributes, albeit with state income tax and a higher number of liberal asshats in Boise and the expensive ski areas.
Oklahoma is very conservative with great options to shoot. Low cost of living. Plenty of casinos. It votes SOLIDLY conservative in every single election. It may be the very most conservative state in the union.
TN and SC are great options. No state income tax in TN. Both are strongly conservative, though I think that SC has a huge population of FSA members, who could really mess things up if they decide to vote.
I live in NC and while I love it, we are a strongly purple state now. Too many academic liberals in the Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill area, too many liberal northern transplants. At some point I fear real conservatives will have to pop smoke and head to more libertarian pastures.
FromMyColdDeadHand
01-02-17, 21:46
Just in the process of buying 12+ acres that back up to USFS land just outside of Pocatello, ID. Reservation casino less than 30 miles away (personally never gamble). Looking forward to building a home in the spring. Will be 3.5 hours from both of our adult children and my brother (all in different directions). Just might be the last move if things work out...
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I would do ID in a heartbeat over CO, or at least the I-25 Corridor, if I had a say in it. Denver has gone beyond full stupid and the traffic reminds me more of Chicago.
I would do ID in a heartbeat over CO, or at least the I-25 Corridor, if I had a say in it. Denver has gone beyond full stupid and the traffic reminds me more of Chicago.
We lived on the front range of Colorado many years ago and still have very good friends there but I would never move back for the reasons you list. Thick with people from Colorado Springs all the way to Cheyenne now a days!
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I live in NC and while I love it, we are a strongly purple state now. Too many academic liberals in the Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill area, too many liberal northern transplants. At some point I fear real conservatives will have to pop smoke and head to more libertarian pastures.
Exactamundo. I considered NC a conservative oasis up until McCrory lost last month. I was pinching myself for the past 4 years sure that I'd wake-up. Sure, we've had some Republican duds in the Senate, but the past couple of years were a dream for NFA enthusiasts.
Now, I kinda view NC as a younger version of VA twenty years ago - slowely turning blue. I don't see myself leaving anytime soon as long as our legislature keeps sticking it to Cooper in the pooper.
Exactamundo. I considered NC a conservative oasis up until McCrory lost last month. I was pinching myself for the past 4 years sure that I'd wake-up. Sure, we've had some Republican duds in the Senate, but the past couple of years were a dream for NFA enthusiasts.
Now, I kinda view NC as a younger version of VA twenty years ago - slowely turning blue. I don't see myself leaving anytime soon as long as our legislature keeps sticking it to Cooper in the pooper.
Sad, but I agree. VA has awesome history and I love it, but damn it's turning stupid fast. I drive through NC this summer and loved it, however minimal the experience. I can see NC going to way of VA in a decade or two though. WY sounds awesome since I should've been a cowboy, but is just too far from family for me. If I had to pick anywhere right now it'd probably be western NC or TN. I miss the south.
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LowSpeed_HighDrag
01-02-17, 23:31
My wife and I watch House Hunters. When they do episodes in Texas, I am always blown away by the cheap but beautiful houses down there. Here in CO, $250k gets you a small home, but in TX it buys so much more.
Dist. Expert 26
01-03-17, 00:06
Exactamundo. I considered NC a conservative oasis up until McCrory lost last month. I was pinching myself for the past 4 years sure that I'd wake-up. Sure, we've had some Republican duds in the Senate, but the past couple of years were a dream for NFA enthusiasts.
Now, I kinda view NC as a younger version of VA twenty years ago - slowely turning blue. I don't see myself leaving anytime soon as long as our legislature keeps sticking it to Cooper in the pooper.
While I agree that the cities are undoubtedly turning blue, the vast majority of the state is still staunchly red. Especially here in the mountains, where I have no less than 4 Southern Baptist churches within 5 minutes of my house.
Time will tell I guess, but I don't see the blue areas growing beyond where they already are.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
01-03-17, 00:11
While I agree that the cities are undoubtedly turning blue, the vast majority of the state is still staunchly red. Especially here in the mountains, where I have no less than 4 Southern Baptist churches within 5 minutes of my house.
Time will tell I guess, but I don't see the blue areas growing beyond where they already are.
Colorado had a similar problem a few years ago. A few spots of blue in an otherwise red state. Those spots of blue, while small on a map, now control our entire political make up. I hope your state does not follow!
Colorado had a similar problem a few years ago. A few spots of blue in an otherwise red state. Those spots of blue, while small on a map, now control our entire political make up. I hope your state does not follow!
Same with Virginia.
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Colorado had a similar problem a few years ago. A few spots of blue in an otherwise red state. Those spots of blue, while small on a map, now control our entire political make up. I hope your state does not follow!
That's my issue with Nevada, Clark County and all the CA transplants making a mess of things.
Some good suggestions so far. Oklahoma is previously something I hadn't even considered. I've driven through TN a few times and was always impressed by it's landscape.
Just to sow some confusion, have you thought about eastern Oklahoma or northwestern Arkansas? Very pretty country, and the folks I have met there are all very nice.
Land is relatively cheap, they do have casinos. Oklahoma is also the only state that voted completely red, as close as I can remember.
There's also a lot of good trainers and facilities there. The economy is pretty good, not a lot of boom and bust like Vegas.
Oh, and we will help you change your screen name after the move. ;)
Much appreciated sir :) The boom and bust will play a big part in moving. Right now real estate has been moving up steadily for the last couple of years. It feels more stable than the last cycle but there will come a time where if our equity gets high enough, we'll cash out and move somewhere inexpensive.
Outlander Systems
01-03-17, 06:42
Florida.
/endthread
Arizona would be my pick, Ill probably move there in the next year or so myself.
Digital_Damage
01-03-17, 07:42
Mid-west coast Florida, no state income tax, lots of things to do and depending on the area the cost of living is low right now.
I keep thinking if I were to move (from Iowa), my choice would be Montana. I've been all over the world and I have to say that Big Sky Country is one of the most beautiful, wide open, and free places I've ever seen. The fishing and hunting are world class if that's your kind of thing, and the scenery is absolutely gorgeous. The winters are a bit harsh, but I live in Northern Iowa, so I'm used to it.
Whiskey_Bravo
01-03-17, 08:07
The wife likes TX and GA but no casinos.
Depending on where you live you could be in Texas and still be within about 30 minutes of a casino. North Texas close to the border or East Texas along the border.
Just to sow some confusion, have you thought about eastern Oklahoma or northwestern Arkansas? Very pretty country, and the folks I have met there are all very nice.
Land is relatively cheap, they do have casinos. Oklahoma is also the only state that voted completely red, as close as I can remember.
There's also a lot of good trainers and facilities there. The economy is pretty good, not a lot of boom and bust like Vegas.
Oh, and we will help you change your screen name after the move. ;)
SS makes a great point. Oklahoma actually has one of the largest Casinos in the world(it is stupid big). And he is correct on those areas being beautiful. NW Arkansas is especially beautiful and it's where I usually go to backpack.
I love North Carolina. I doubt I will ever move out-of-state. Mountains three hours west of me, beaches three hours east of me, great weather, great sports, culture, music. That said, the politics are all ****ed up and it is getting more liberal by the day, especially the urban areas.
So much good info here. My wife went back to school and is finishing in May. Once our savings is recouped, condo goes on the market and we are out of here. I'm glad to see a lot of people suggest NC because that is on the short list. We both will need to be near a large city for work and as a Jersey girl she "has to" be within driving distance of a beach. For us the choices are NC, SC and TX.
I had several friends move to High Point NC and I absolutely LOVED it when I visited. A bit too hot for me, but worth the freedom.
So much good info here. My wife went back to school and is finishing in May. Once our savings is recouped, condo goes on the market and we are out of here. I'm glad to see a lot of people suggest NC because that is on the short list. We both will need to be near a large city for work and as a Jersey girl she "has to" be within driving distance of a beach. For us the choices are NC, SC and TX.
I had several friends move to High Point NC and I absolutely LOVED it when I visited. A bit too hot for me, but worth the freedom.
The Triangle (Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill) is big city-ish (area pop > 2 mill) but an easy drive to the beach. We do day trips all the time.
Whiskey_Bravo
01-03-17, 10:14
And as much as I love Texas, the recommendations for North Carolina are spot on. It's a beautiful state and where I have a lot of family. I just fear their politics are going down hill fast.
That's my issue with Nevada, Clark County and all the CA transplants making a mess of things.
Some good suggestions so far. Oklahoma is previously something I hadn't even considered. I've driven through TN a few times and was always impressed by it's landscape.
The eastern half of Oklahoma is very scenic (especially the SE) There are tons od lakes for fishing and lots of public land (not Nevada lots, but enough to get away). I grew up here and the main beef I have is the roads. I love driving and our roads flat out suck.
Western NC is on my short list for retirement spots.
What about Louisiana? I know that they have a bunch of casinos and it is a relatively conservative state, just not the large cities.
Depending on where you live you could be in Texas and still be within about 30 minutes of a casino. North Texas close to the border or East Texas along the border.
SS makes a great point. Oklahoma actually has one of the largest Casinos in the world(it is stupid big). And he is correct on those areas being beautiful. NW Arkansas is especially beautiful and it's where I usually go to backpack.
I enjoy this area (SW Missouri), but I'm ready to go, I'm getting to old for the hot and humidity. I'll take one or the other, not both like we see every summer. I'm hiking and camping like crazy right now, because June-October is too miserable to enjoy. Don't get me started on ticks, yeah I'm sounding like a bitch right now.
BuzzinSATX
01-03-17, 18:21
I enjoy this area (SW Missouri), but I'm ready to go, I'm getting to old for the hot and humidity. I'll take one or the other, not both like we see every summer. I'm hiking and camping like crazy right now, because June-October is too miserable to enjoy. Don't get me started on ticks, yeah I'm sounding like a bitch right now.
As I read this thread, I was wondering how well a LV NV couple would like moving to the hot and sticky SE states.
Biggest issue with TX is lack of public property to shoot. I personally think WY (25 casinos), AZ (33 casinos) , and NM (21 casinos) would be where I would head if casino's were a major requirement. Here is a pretty good website that can help:
https://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/united-states
All three offer lower humidity, lots of public land, and great firearms laws.
As I read this thread, I was wondering how well a LV NV couple would like moving to the hot and sticky SE states.
Biggest issue with TX is lack of public property to shoot. I personally think WY (25 casinos), AZ (33 casinos) , and NM (21 casinos) would be where I would head if casino's were a major requirement. Here is a pretty good website that can help:
https://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/united-states
All three offer lower humidity, lots of public land, and great firearms laws.
Think hard on WY. I love the place, lot of positives. If I could get my wife to move there, I would. However, there's some huge negatives. First are winters you may not comprehend, and wind. The unrelenting wind. Almost like Chinese water torture winds. It doesn't make for fun long range shooting.
SeriousStudent
01-03-17, 20:27
The only bad thing I can think of about moving to Oklahoma would be you are right in the center of Tornado Alley. Those poor folks in Moore, OK have had a rough time.
And the other posters are right about few places to shoot. I routinely drive 90 minutes to a place that allows me 200+ meters with long guns, and draw from concealment and SOTM with pistols.
That is getting better. A lot of people are seeing it as a business opportunity, and opening ranges. But you will NOT have the free shooting ranges you are used to in Nevada, if you move to Texas.
While I agree that the cities are undoubtedly turning blue, the vast majority of the state is still staunchly red. Especially here in the mountains, where I have no less than 4 Southern Baptist churches within 5 minutes of my house.
Time will tell I guess, but I don't see the blue areas growing beyond where they already are.
The same could be said for all of CA and CO outside of the big cities. I hate to say this; NC is likely to be blue in 20 years. I love this state. The libs are unfortunately moving here in droves. Look at any of the relocation forums. Everyone talks about the Triangle and Charlotte. Like all the nice places to live, the libs are invading and bringing with them their politics. Sadly, the only safe places in the long-term future will be those places that are sufficiently inhospitable to ward off the asshole libs looking for comfy living.
when we moved from Maui everyone said check out Asheville NC (spelling?)
seemed really nice but also heard a lot of folks say its very liberal
my brother was stationed at Pope AFB ? no hope pope they called it
went and visited him and was shocked at how huge and how many bugs there were !!!!
like anywhere people are people but in general east coast people are dif than west :) and I was west of west !
Maui is really liberal BUT there are many that are hunting types that are not I reckon parts of the east coast could be like that
one of my buddies moved to FL he lasted about 2 years and said he was done with it and moved to the Caribbean ! I had worked in FL for 3 months in the 90s diving and was nice but I was on boats but the area I was working out of Ft Lauderdale was rather armpit like back then !!! north of there seemed nice and heard the west coast Naples area is nice but liberal but also redneck in some areas :) so maybe would check that out if you love water
one of my buddies works at Huachuca he was in Colorado ? forgot where part of the 10th SFG I know but he loves where he is now and would never want to move back to that area of Colorado
I was in Colorado years ago working at Vail and Breckenridge teaching and loved Breck in the late 80s but vail was stuck up then cant imagine what its like now !! and sure Breck is not the good ol boy town it was either :)
living in AZ I miss the water big time but kids like it good people around us found a good church good camping up north etc..
if I had more time to do so with kids 7 and 12 they have good friends here which counts for a lot !
I would check out
North Carolina
west coast FL or half way up on the east coast
AZ but up north Flagstaff as example
Utah I see a ton of awesome scenery and 4x4 stuff posted that is WOW scenery
I thought I would like southern Oregon but heard way to many negatives for the positives but it seems really cool in areas but you would almost have to be self employed to live on the coast
LowSpeed_HighDrag
01-03-17, 22:36
Think hard on WY. I love the place, lot of positives. If I could get my wife to move there, I would. However, there's some huge negatives. First are winters you may not comprehend, and wind. The unrelenting wind. Almost like Chinese water torture winds. It doesn't make for fun long range shooting.
I live a half hour from Cheyenne. In Colorado, we see almost none of that. Literally crossing the border into Wyoming brings on gale force winds and cold that will chill you to the core.
Dist. Expert 26
01-03-17, 23:04
The same could be said for all of CA and CO outside of the big cities. I hate to say this; NC is likely to be blue in 20 years. I love this state. The libs are unfortunately moving here in droves. Look at any of the relocation forums. Everyone talks about the Triangle and Charlotte. Like all the nice places to live, the libs are invading and bringing with them their politics. Sadly, the only safe places in the long-term future will be those places that are sufficiently inhospitable to ward off the asshole libs looking for comfy living.
You may be right, I just don't see any trend towards liberal policies on the state level right now. The FSA will ensure that the cities stay blue, no doubt about that. However there are only so many liberals out there. They can't infect every part of the country equally.
Unless there's something I've been missing?
You may be right, I just don't see any trend towards liberal policies on the state level right now. The FSA will ensure that the cities stay blue, no doubt about that. However there are only so many liberals out there. They can't infect every part of the country equally.
Unless there's something I've been missing?
Thankfully we still have republican control of the state house and senate. But F me, Roy Cooper and Josh Stein?!? These dickwads are going to harm us in some way. We have liberals flooding into Asheville, Cashiers, Blowing Rock, Banner Elk, other quaint high rent mountain towns, the triangle, Charlotte. Liberal academics distorting the minds of students in Chapel Hill, Durham and Raleigh. Heck even Burlington has its share of liberal academics at Elon. Bankers from San Fran, NYC moving to Charlotte. Conservative control won't last forever, and then we will go the way of CO. I hate to be pessimistic, I'm just afraid the snowball is rolling down the hill and picking up snow and speed.
Time will tell I guess, but I don't see the blue areas growing beyond where they already are.
It's not so much the size of those areas as it is the population density. Drive around the outskirts of Raleigh - Cary, Wake Forest, Johnston County, Garner... Massive track home neighborhoods being populated by northern transplants. Analogous in Chatlotte and Lake Norman. A population explosion is in progress. Great for the economy, terrible for politics.
Edit: to my conservative northern brothers in arms, I'm not denigrating Yankees (I am one), just liberal Yankees. :)
I live a half hour from Cheyenne. In Colorado, we see almost none of that. Literally crossing the border into Wyoming brings on gale force winds and cold that will chill you to the core.
That wind and cold will keep out the liberal statists and FSA members. Consider it a blessing. :)
Whiskey_Bravo
01-03-17, 23:53
You may be right, I just don't see any trend towards liberal policies on the state level right now. The FSA will ensure that the cities stay blue, no doubt about that. However there are only so many liberals out there. They can't infect every part of the country equally.
Unless there's something I've been missing?
Just read this a couple of minutes before reading your post. See the red section below.
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/People-moving-from-New-York-outnumber-arrivals-by-10832318.php
United Van Lines reported Tuesday that nearly two-thirds of the moves involving New York households were outbound, a higher proportion than any other state except New Jersey and Illinois.
The 2016 National Movers Study by Fenton, Mo.- based United also found that almost 59 percent of the moves within the eastern United States were outbound.
Where were people moving? Mostly to western states and the Carolinas, with one exception. That exception was Vermont, which ranked second on the list of states with the highest proportion -- 67 percent -- of inbound moves.
Depending on where you live you could be in Texas and still be within about 30 minutes of a casino. North Texas close to the border or East Texas along the border.
SS makes a great point. Oklahoma actually has one of the largest Casinos in the world(it is stupid big). And he is correct on those areas being beautiful. NW Arkansas is especially beautiful and it's where I usually go to backpack.
You make a good point about still being inside TX and near a casino. Worth looking at. I actually didn't realize how many casinos there are in OK. Definite eye opener. Actually had the wife looking at real estate online around Tulsa. Definite possibilities.
The eastern half of Oklahoma is very scenic (especially the SE) There are tons od lakes for fishing and lots of public land (not Nevada lots, but enough to get away). I grew up here and the main beef I have is the roads. I love driving and our roads flat out suck.
The roads I remember from when we moved from IN to NV. The freeway was terrible going through OK City.
What about Louisiana? I know that they have a bunch of casinos and it is a relatively conservative state, just not the large cities.
Definite possible, as is Gulfport and Biloxi, MS.
As I read this thread, I was wondering how well a LV NV couple would like moving to the hot and sticky SE states.
Biggest issue with TX is lack of public property to shoot. I personally think WY (25 casinos), AZ (33 casinos) , and NM (21 casinos) would be where I would head if casino's were a major requirement. Here is a pretty good website that can help:
https://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/united-states
All three offer lower humidity, lots of public land, and great firearms laws.
Humidity is not an issue having lived in Indiana and South Florida previously. Texas would be okay if I could get a large enough piece of land.
The only bad thing I can think of about moving to Oklahoma would be you are right in the center of Tornado Alley. Those poor folks in Moore, OK have had a rough time.
And the other posters are right about few places to shoot. I routinely drive 90 minutes to a place that allows me 200+ meters with long guns, and draw from concealment and SOTM with pistols.
That is getting better. A lot of people are seeing it as a business opportunity, and opening ranges. But you will NOT have the free shooting ranges you are used to in Nevada, if you move to Texas.
I can't lie, OK and tornadoes is a concern. Maybe that's my career change? Open a public outdoor range!
Thanks for all the input gents, this has been really useful and got me thinking about a few places I hadn't previously.
I would consider TN. Very few natural disasters. No state income tax. Very politically conservative. Excellent gun laws. Can still get to the coast in AL or FL panhandle in 5-6 hours drive.
That wind and cold will keep out the liberal statists and FSA members. Consider it a blessing. :) Keep telling yourself that :D The cold sure doesn't seem to keep them from moving to Alaska.
That wind and cold will keep out the liberal statists and FSA members. Consider it a blessing. :)
It isn't the wind and cold. WY is home to Dick Cheney...
BuzzinSATX
01-04-17, 18:44
Humidity is not an issue having lived in Indiana and South Florida previously. Texas would be okay if I could get a large enough piece of land.
Well, you are a stronger soul than I am! I grew up on the East Coast and was stationed in DE, MS, ROK, and Japan. You can keep it! LOL!
Not sure you want to be up near Dallas if tornadoes are not your cuppa tea. West TX is better, and land is cheaper...but you have the oil field issues which can be a boon and a bane at the same time...
Regardless, best wishes you find a great spot that suits your wants and needs. Take care,
BuzzinSATX
01-04-17, 18:45
It isn't the wind and cold. WY is home to Dick Cheney...
LOL! He'll shoot them in the face with birdshot!
Whiskey_Bravo
01-04-17, 22:35
You make a good point about still being inside TX and near a casino. Worth looking at. I actually didn't realize how many casinos there are in OK. Definite eye opener. Actually had the wife looking at real estate online around Tulsa. Definite possibilities.
The roads I remember from when we moved from IN to NV. The freeway was terrible going through OK City.
Definite possible, as is Gulfport and Biloxi, MS.
Humidity is not an issue having lived in Indiana and South Florida previously. Texas would be okay if I could get a large enough piece of land.
I can't lie, OK and tornadoes is a concern. Maybe that's my career change? Open a public outdoor range!
Thanks for all the input gents, this has been really useful and got me thinking about a few places I hadn't previously.
I have to admit my bias but anytime a conservative is looking to move I always throw out Texas. We need to counter the Californians chasing jobs here lol.
Like you said , there are tons of casinos in Oklahoma. From tiny to one of the worlds largest. I am in Oklahoma twice a month for work, and it's a place I would consider living. I would just invest a few grand on at least some for, of tornado shelter for peace of mind.
You mentioned Biloxi and Gulf Port, and although I wouldn't live in Biloxi I would live outside of it or in gulf port. The area is great(especially pass christian area) and has some great restaurants, fishing, and good people. Just remember you are trading Oklahoma tornadoes for Katrina hurricanes, this area was decimated not all that long ago. Saying that, I could move here if the right opportunity presented itself.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
01-05-17, 01:30
That wind and cold will keep out the liberal statists and FSA members. Consider it a blessing. :)
Oh I wish that were true. Liberals can be a resilient bunch, much like vermin and cockroaches.
Hey all,
Everyone once in a while the wife and I think about relocating but have never really solved the puzzle of where? Been here in Vegas 14 years and it is a great place to live for a lot of reasons, no state income tax, no shortage of employment of options (for me at least), endless places to shoot outdoors, great offroading and on and on; but you can only stay in one place so long, right? So where would you move if you a; wanted to shoot on your own property (I'm thinking 500 yards) and b; had to be within a half hour or so of a casino? And no, I don't have a gambling problem :D
Thanks.
Oklahoma, was stationed there for a few years and traveled throughout the state. One of the locals befriended me and we shot on his land quite often. One of the ranges there had like a $100 annual membership fee and had a steel pistol range, an additional like 5 pistol bays, a 50 yard bay, and a 500 yard range, and this was a small town in Oklahoma. OKC has amazing indoor ranges and lots of land around it. I lived mostly on the south west side of the state, didn't see a tornado once in 3 years, nor did any touch down anywhere near the base. But I was there when Moore got hit semi-recently... which is unfortunate, because Moore was kind of like Summerlin - very middle-class and suburban with great restaurants, theaters, and neighborhoods.
I don't think I'd ever move back to Altus, OK voluntarily, but damn the shooting there spoiled me rotten. It'd be like having BPRC 20 min away and it always being empty except for matches on the weekend... and there are matches 3 weekends a month.
Gulfport and D'iberville, MS are both fairly nice-ish areas adjacent to Biloxi. Was stationed at Keesler for a while, so know the area pretty well... and last time I was there, there wasn't anywhere near a large gun culture on the coast. There was like one range within 10 miles or something. And of course, Biloxi has some very nice casinos, close to but not quite at a Las Vegas level.
You mentioned Biloxi and Gulf Port, and although I wouldn't live in Biloxi I would live outside of it or in gulf port. The area is great(especially pass christian area) and has some great restaurants, fishing, and good people. Just remember you are trading Oklahoma tornadoes for Katrina hurricanes, this area was decimated not all that long ago. Saying that, I could move here if the right opportunity presented itself.
I have a bunch of family in that area...Waveland, Pass Christian, Gulfport, Long Beach, Biloxi....I would move there in a New York second if I could. I love that area. My cousin owns a pizza restaurant in Gulfport; when I was in officer school at Pensacola and we got weekend leave towards the end, I would drive over, stuff myself stupid with pizza, sleep in until 11 am, drive back on Sunday......
Whiskey_Bravo
01-05-17, 10:22
I have a bunch of family in that area...Waveland, Pass Christian, Gulfport, Long Beach, Biloxi....I would move there in a New York second if I could. I love that area. My cousin owns a pizza restaurant in Gulfport; when I was in officer school at Pensacola and we got weekend leave towards the end, I would drive over, stuff myself stupid with pizza, sleep in until 11 am, drive back on Sunday......
Yeah Long Beach is awesome, I forgot about it. I have probably eaten at that pizza place, what is the name? Speaking of restaurants, have you been to Darwell's in Long beach? Hot damn they have some good food.
Yeah Long Beach is awesome, I forgot about it. I have probably eaten at that pizza place, what is the name? Speaking of restaurants, have you been to Darwell's in Long beach? Hot damn they have some good food.
Brooklyn Pizzeria. It's awesome pizza, NY style. Darwell's....can't say that I have eaten there. There are several good restaurants on the coast, especially seafood.
Have you guys been to a BBQ place called The Shed?
Tyler native here. 1.2 hours from Casino, 4 hours from Galveston (if you call that a beach, we drive to Orange) very conservative.. very. Much land, much shooting. Big Healthcare, big oil and gas. I like it...it is boring though, but I have 2 small kids so nightlife isn't an issue anyway. Just FYI
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I'll give another vote for Oklahoma.
Any kind of shooting you want, and this preeeeeety much sums up our politics.
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Several casinos...ranging from side rooms on a gas station to the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino.
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LowSpeed_HighDrag
01-06-17, 00:01
I know Colorado was mentioned earlier somewhere. It's -12* with a foot of snow on the ground. Go find somewhere warm!
I don't think I'd ever move back to Altus, OK voluntarily, but damn the shooting there spoiled me rotten. It'd be like having BPRC 20 min away and it always being empty except for matches on the weekend... and there are matches 3 weekends a month.
I have a good friend who has been a firearms instructor at the air force base there for about a decade. Doesnt seem like a bad spot, centrally located with a few big cities and some nice parks in other states within a days drive.
40 min to the nearest starbucks or best buy or target or movie theater that isn't a repurposed barn, and that's going 75mph the entire way.
There's basically nothing to do in the town itself. There's like 1 bar outside the base. The town is surrounded by miles of farm land, so you have to drive a distance to get to any outdoors things.
On the plus side, the people are nice, if you have a car there's a lot of shooting opportunities if you don't mind driving a bit (to Duke, OK), there's a dwindling lake and mountain resort a bit away with a ton of hiking, and you can buy land cheap and shoot on it. There's OK food. The new Japanese restaurant is very good for Oklahoma standards but only decent as Japanese food goes. There's an amazing taco place. There's a pretty good steakhouse just north of town. And there's an Applebee's.
When I got my suppressor, the sheriff signed off and said "I'd like to get one of those myself".
I know Colorado was mentioned earlier somewhere. It's -12* with a foot of snow on the ground. Go find somewhere warm!
Definitely like to give that weather a miss! You trade off on something wherever you go. Go too far north, too much snow. Go to the beach, hurricanes. Vegas, Arizona get roasted with a hairdryer in the summer. And so on...
Living in a place where the Sheriff says stuff like he said to Koshinn is really attractive. Despite where I live now, nightlife days are behind me. Slower life pace seems desirable to me because of how busy my job is currently. The plan is to build a financial cushion so that I can go back to having a position of less responsibility. Getting that cushion will drive the timeline for moving. Some of the suggestions so far have been intriguing. I feel a road trip coming on in the spring!
Mr. Goodtimes
01-06-17, 09:33
I visit western NC on a fairly regular basis. Every time I do I start formulating ways to not have to leave. I also love out west. If I could get a job in my carrier field I'd move to Montana, Wyoming or Idaho ( just pick one) without blinking an eye.
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Mr. Goodtimes
01-06-17, 09:34
EDIT: I currently reside in Florida and while we do have cool things here like KAC, several universities, the beach, no state income tax and great gun laws, this state blows. It's full of disgusting Yankees from New York, seriously, you rarely ever meet anyone that was actually born here. The state is also ugly. There's only two seasons here, hot as balls and cold ish. Everything is either green or brown. The woods up in northern Florida are somewhat pretty and so are the scrub areas around certain parts of the state but the place is ugly as sin when you compare it to the Appalachians or out west.
Born, bred, and raised in the western NC mtns. Family all back in the hills and hollers. Transplants may or may not have any issues. Certain areas can be very clannish and not welcoming. Move to an area, rub the locals wrong, and let the good times roll. Don't misunderstand me, it's not Deliverance; but it is damn close in certain locals. Try to fit in and not be an agent of change and it will help. Once the locals see you are ok, then the community will accept you. Yankees and liberals need not apply.
Western NC is beautiful and filled with good people. However, these people have no problems letting outsiders know they are not welcome or are stirring the pot.
Dealing with someone from Raleigh can be a hell of a lot different when dealing with mtn. folk. This is not said with any derision. You'd be surprised at the number of Duke, Chapel Hill, State, etc. grads. up in the hills. Educated woodsmen that think more like the early 1900's than today. And that is a VERY good thing. It's just not for everyone.
WickedWillis
01-06-17, 11:24
I visit western NC on a fairly regular basis. Every time I do I start formulating ways to not have to leave. I also love out west. If I could get a job in my carrier field I'd move to Montana, Wyoming or Idaho ( just pick one) without blinking an eye.
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Having grown up in North Western Montana, and now residing in Northern Idaho, I agree with your assessments. The biggest reason I son't still live in MT is the lack of jobs outside of logging and mines.
Having grown up in North Western Montana, and now residing in Northern Idaho, I agree with your assessments. The biggest reason I son't still live in MT is the lack of jobs outside of logging and mines.
I love Montana, especially western Montana. I almost followed a girl to Bozeman. I could see myself living there.
Born, bred, and raised in the western NC mtns. Family all back in the hills and hollers. Transplants may or may not have any issues. Certain areas can be very clannish and not welcoming. Move to an area, rub the locals wrong, and let the good times roll. Don't misunderstand me, it's not Deliverance; but it is damn close in certain locals. Try to fit in and not be an agent of change and it will help. Once the locals see you are ok, then the community will accept you. Yankees and liberals need not apply.
Western NC is beautiful and filled with good people. However, these people have no problems letting outsiders know they are not welcome or are stirring the pot.
Dealing with someone from Raleigh can be a hell of a lot different when dealing with mtn. folk. This is not said with any derision. You'd be surprised at the number of Duke, Chapel Hill, State, etc. grads. up in the hills. Educated woodsmen that think more like the early 1900's than today. And that is a VERY good thing. It's just not for everyone.
I like our mountains. The people there are clannish, but they are loyal. I appreciate that. People not from NC assume the Triangle is representative of the entire state; I was born in eastern NC and have family in eastern NC, so I assure people the Triangle ain't "normal" NC.
My favorite parts in NC? East of 95, west of 77.
During WW2 my father lived briefly in W. Virginia. When traveling through the mountains, he would encounter road blocks set up by local citizens--not cops. They were looking for suspicious people who might have been spies or whatever. During this same time period, he moved to the mountains in Tenn. There somebody would always follow in a car or truck wherever an outsider would travel. I grew up in rural Mississippi and closely observed the distrust for outsiders, especially yankees.
Dist. Expert 26
01-06-17, 13:44
I share a road with about 10 other houses, all born and bred mountain people besides my family. Initially they were wary of us, but after a few months they figured out I wasn't so different from them and now we're friends.
They do get suspicious when people visit from out of state, to the point of writing down license plate numbers, but I like that.
There are a few roads up here that you just don't go driving up unless you know someone. Some of them cops even avoid. But again, I don't see that as a bad thing.
You guys are kind of making me jealous. I just remember seeing American flags flying in front of so many houses in the somewhat isolated communities I passed in NC.
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I wish I was the age I am now but in 1971.
I'd move in to California with a commune of Jesus freaks and do nothing but make love all day, never get a haircut, and not work.
Meh....
in all seriousness the grass is always greener.
Are you sure? Fly man, you'd have to be a hippie and kiss nasty women who didn't use toilet paper or tooth brushes. And they would eat up all your potted meat and moon pies and smoke all your ready rolls and drink all your whiskey and might give you something you didn't want. Before long you might be a Moonie and not even know it. :shout:
Come on over to Delaware my man! We have .... tax free shopping if that's your thing. That's about it actually. God, I need to move again myself :suicide: ...
Are you sure? Fly man, you'd have to be a hippie and kiss nasty women who didn't use toilet paper or tooth brushes. And they would eat up all your potted meat and moon pies and smoke all your ready rolls and drink all your whiskey and might give you something you didn't want. Before long you might be a Moonie and not even know it. :shout:
Boxcar Willie, you are a much beloved M4C buddy of mine.
That said, if I ever get attacked by Freddy Kreuger, I want you to show up because you sure know how to kill a dream.
;)
If I just had 40 acres, a mule and a 500 yard rifle range.....I'd have it licked
Are you sure? Fly man, you'd have to be a hippie and kiss nasty women who didn't use toilet paper or tooth brushes. And they would eat up all your potted meat and moon pies and smoke all your ready rolls and drink all your whiskey and might give you something you didn't want. Before long you might be a Moonie and not even know it. :shout:
Has such a thing happened to you? That sounds like the voice of experience.
No, but I've worked in some jail houses and seen numbers of these queens. Yes, sir.
No, but I've worked in some jail houses and seen numbers of these queens. Yes, sir.
Surely, sir, you can not be speaking of wholesome, hairy-legged, hippie commune chicks. I dare say one has not lived until they have had their buttocks chaffed raw by the coarse legs of one of those lusty maidens wrapped around them. And shared a post-coitus moon pie.
Those are they, and somehow I missed out on the fun, but I am from Mississippi and......
EDIT: I currently reside in Florida and while we do have cool things here like KAC, several universities, the beach, no state income tax and great gun laws, this state blows. It's full of disgusting Yankees from New York, seriously, you rarely ever meet anyone that was actually born here. The state is also ugly. There's only two seasons here, hot as balls and cold ish. Everything is either green or brown. The woods up in northern Florida are somewhat pretty and so are the scrub areas around certain parts of the state but the place is ugly as sin when you compare it to the Appalachians or out west.
You must live in a bad part of town or just don't know better areas to live in.
I've lived in Central FL for 18yrs and its not as bad as you describe. Yes there are many tourists or people who moved from out of state, but there is a reason for that. And no, they are not all from NY.
Sure there are nicer places to live, and I've looked at those (particularly NC, AK, and other northern states). But my family/friends are all here, I have a good job, and live in a good area.
To the OP, I was going to suggest Central FL. There are casinos in Tampa that's within an hour drive. If you know where to live in FL, its actually a decent place. No snow, good gun laws, and cheap cost of living. You can easily buy land with lots of acreage for shooting.
I would avoid South FL though. Anything Central to North FL is pretty good.
eta: Beaches are 1hr away, there are plenty of indoor/outdoor gun ranges, gun stores, and even actual gun manufacturers. There are 3 outdoor ranges in my area (membership required, but have open weekend events such as 3gun and IDPA) or you can go to Ocala national forest and shoot free.
Still trying to recover from the smelly hippy posts here :)
Never occurred to me Central Florida would have cheap land. How does be law work for shooting on your on property there? State law or county ordinance?
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