"treat yourself" carbine

[johnnyrebel87]

If you had 3 grand to spend on an AR-15, solely as a treat for yourself, what would you go for? Say you already had standard BCM and a DD and a homebuild AR, and you had these funds to buy a fancy boutique quality rifle. Not looking to get the same mil-speccish stuff, but upgraded/improved/etc. Not including optics, just the rifle, not a build or upper/lower, but the complete package.

And does your pick change if ran with a Sico Hybrid?

Thanks!

[chuckman]

I am getting ready to drop $20,000 on a septic repair so for me this is academic. I would get a nice .308, get it done right. But as for carbine....dunno.

[johnnyrebel87]

Thanks.

No interest in a .308, doing a 6.5CM bolt build soon and just sold my AR-10 components as I just plain ol don't want one.

This will be a 5.56.

[dmd08]

KAC.

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[ruckusjuice]

Either a Hodge Defense AU-Mod 2 or a KAC SR15 E3.


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[johnnyrebel87]

Good suggestions. I'm thinking of something that I won't have to swap triggers, pistol grip, stock out with good stuff because they already will be top of the line stuff.

If it comes with that standard m4 pistol grip I will pull my hair out. I could build a shed out of the ones laying around my house.

[johnnyrebel87]

And if they give discounts for Certified NRA Instructors or NREMT cerfied Emergency Medical Responders, or Texas Emergency Care Attendants, even better.

mil-spec type triggers won't in the running, I'm looking for something I don't have to actually swap anything on. Since that never happens.

[chuckman]

5.56, then a SAM-R.

[alx01]

Maybe a KAC rifle.

Another great advice above was for Excellent Optics.

[RAM Engineer]

Either a Hodge Defense AU-Mod 2 or a KAC SR15 E3.


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This, but most likely, the KAC.

[seb5]

I've been looking at the V-7's and the BAD lightweights. with every base covered already it's not a need at all, more just intriguing.

[titsonritz]

SR-15 LPR MOD 2 M-lOK

[joeyjoe]

Knights Armament SR15 E3 Mod 2, without question.

[Watrdawg]

KAC SR-30 DSR.

[JC5188]

You'll get mostly KAC answers, but it sounds more like you're wanting a boutique rifle.

Really not a lot of love for that type of rifle here.

Btw...I'd vote the KAC.


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[1911-A1]

11.5" KAC SR15 and a suppressor.

[MegademiC]

KAC.

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Easy. This.

[noonesshowmonkey]

If I had that much to plink down in a single go, I'd get a SCAR-16 or 17.

Otherwise, KAC.

Or, get a BCM/Sionics/etc, and spend the rest on DBAL/PEQ, good glass, etc.

[tom12.7]

For the OP, is the $3K listed the price of the base gun, or is that the cap to complete that platform? That can make a huge difference in many ways.

[GrumpyM4]

3K of ammo delivered to your door makes one hell of a "treat"........

[2nd.amendment]

I vote 2000 rounds of ammo and a top of the line carbine course ... But since that probably won't meet your needs ... A 2A Armament Balios Light Rifle or something else that Rainer Arms carries.

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[contax_shooter]

I went with KAC, the election made it easier to hit the 'submit order' button..

[Mr. Goodtimes]

Something KAC. Probably an ST-15 mod 2 CQ. No other logical choice. You won't ragret it, not even one letter.




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[tom12.7]

For $3K, you almost have enough funds for a 6920 reworked to a good 11.5" with a good FF rail with a decent can, reliable red dot, decent light and sling combo. Just save a few more dollars for some tax stamps.
It's almost possible at $3K, but you can make a good performer with just a little bit more.

[RobertTheTexan]

I'm remembering a post a guy made not too long ago where e had a Mega Arms and some other fancy no -M4C type AR and was asking which to keep. Everyone said sell both bug a KAC. Maybe you should find that post and offer to buy one. It sounds like what you're asking for. Non-milspec, "improved" etc.
Not being a jerk, but serious. I'd call those boutique guns. If you want I can look up the post and maybe that gives you a starting place. They both ran > $2500 I think. Or close to it.
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[methical20]

I'm in the same boat as a lot of others in this thread. If I was you, I would get a Hodge Mod 2 or a KAC Mod 2. Depending on what you value, the argument could be made for either rifle, but I don't think that anyone would disagree that they are both top-notch.

Since it sounds like that is not what you are after, I would look at EraThr3.

[Wake27]

I'm in the same boat as a lot of others in this thread. If I was you, I would get a Hodge Mod 2 or a KAC Mod 2. Depending on what you value, the argument could be made for either rifle, but I don't think that anyone would disagree that they are both top-notch.

Since it sounds like that is not what you are after, I would look at EraThr3.

Exactly what I was going to say on all points.


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[tom12.7]

Exactly what I was going to say on all points.


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How could you possibly outfit either of those options and maintain that price point?

[Wake27]

He said not including optics or anything else.


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[hk_shootr]

If you had 3 grand to spend on an AR-15, solely as a treat for yourself, what would you go for? Say you already had standard BCM and a DD and a homebuild AR, and you had these funds to buy a fancy boutique quality rifle. Not looking to get the same mil-speccish stuff, but upgraded/improved/etc. Not including optics, just the rifle, not a build or upper/lower, but the complete package.

And does your pick change if ran with a Sico Hybrid?

Thanks!


I went though this just a short time ago. Chose a Knights Mod 1 Carbine, "factory dimpled goodness"

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/faawrenchbndr/Sticks/IMG_0980.jpg

[tom12.7]

In the same sentence he stated that it didn't include optics, but also included the complete package. So which is it?

[RobertTheTexan]

If you had 3 grand to spend on an AR-15, solely as a treat for yourself, what would you go for? Say you already had standard BCM and a DD and a homebuild AR, and you had these funds to buy a fancy boutique quality rifle. Not looking to get the same mil-speccish stuff, but upgraded/improved/etc. Not including optics, just the rifle, not a build or upper/lower, but the complete package.

And does your pick change if ran with a Sico Hybrid?

Thanks!

Here is the link to that post I was referring to. I think it's what you're asking for although not my cup of tea. One rifle is a Cobalt Kinetics and the other was some kinda weird build that Mega Arms did, even though I didn't know they built AR's.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?191146-I-need-help-Only-keeping-one



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[tom12.7]

In the truest sense, the complete package inclines towards the complete lifecycle from introduction to end for a total cost to budget, that includes the best estimate of cost from that acceptance from cradle to grave. That includes many things that are left out in the aftermarket, like ammunition, maintenance, training etc.. Most commercial items are at a price point for certain base products to cover those respectively to those individually than the others as a whole.
So in the commercial market, some other factors are removed in the price point. You could buy the base system at a price point of what? What did you decide to not include? If someone said a base system for "X' amount, what does that cover? A base proposal bid for a system, or an individual use that may not require that?
So, what is a "complete weapons system" in the commercial market? A base gun only? One with an inclusion of other items? From cradle to grave? You tell me and let me know.

[Ak44]

DPMS Sporter.

[jpmuscle]

KAC Mod 2 CQB w/ full size QDC can.

[Jwknutson17]

KAC mod 2 Mlok. Few months ago they were going for $1950. They will come back to that price I'm betting. That still leaves you 1050 for an Aimpoint, case of ammo, and a surefire light. Or if you don't want ammo, substitute that for a MAMS.

[_Stormin_]

Easy call to get a KAC rifle and call it good. Probably the only gun I'll buy in 2017.

[Jwknutson17]

Easy call to get a KAC rifle and call it good. Probably the only gun I'll buy in 2017.

This^^. This will lead to 3-5 extra KAC rifles and probably a SR25.

[RobertTheTexan]

If I had $3k to drop on an AR, I'd buy an SR-25, but since you don't want a 7.62, I would buy one of these KAC's the guys have mentioned. I just recently came into a KAC URX rail. The quality on that rail is so outstanding, that I have no doubt in my military mind err civilian mind, that a KAC is an excellent choice. They have improved the platform. Sure you can get one of those funky Cobalts but if you are going to drop that kind of money don't you want something that's tried and true? Check out the MAMS if you want to see a part of the AR improved. I'd actually 2nd I think it was Tom who suggested the 11.5 suppressed. What a weapon that would be. Since you said not to include an optic I presume you can pick that up later. I think the guys have made some very solid choices and the fact that 99.999% have suggested KAC, over LMT, LWRC etc speaks loudly to me.


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[jpmuscle]

Easy call to get a KAC rifle and call it good. Probably the only gun I'll buy in 2017.


This^^. This will lead to 3-5 extra KAC rifles and probably a SR25.
Jwk speaks the truth.... I know. I'm watching myself do it....

I look at some of my sticks and projects in my safe and I'm like if I sell that that and that I can buy another KAC.

[Plato]

KAC. Hard to beat.

[johnnyrebel87]

Thanks guys. Hodge looks to be vaporware, but the KAC mifgt be the winner. Just chunk the damn pistol grip!

[1oldgrunt]

Where's the Noveske love??:cool:

I have a couple and feel left out!?:(

[johnnyrebel87]

Sounds silly but a service rifle fit for camp perry (in someone elses hands) was a consideration too.

[Benito]

Yeah, Id probably put it towards a KAC, either SR15 or SR25.

[acrocat]

KAC SR15 CQB MOD 2 with a MLOK URX4 rail; I just got mine and it is pretty sweet. Might as well order a full-sized 5.56 QDC suppressor while you are at it (I think Silencer Shop might have them in stock now). I'm bummed that I have the rifle but I still have a fairly long wait to go for my can. Wished I would have ordered them together. :)

[Fuzzy-Reticle]

Hk MR762a1. I know they are a tad more expensive than 3 large but the OP said treat yourself.
KAC or maybe a BCM Jack Carbine.
Those or a sweet Vulcan/Hesse AR. :sarcastic:

[Jwknutson17]

Where's the Noveske love??:cool:

I have a couple and feel left out!?:(

Noveske is a quality rifle and still in the top 5 factory rifles in my book. I have some Gen2 receiver sets built into rifles that are some of the highest quality fit and finish I own. There are some quality parts and barrels they have spit out over the years.

[stwings]

I vote 2000 rounds of ammo and a top of the line carbine course ... But since that probably won't meet your needs ... A 2A Armament Balios Light Rifle or something else that Rainer Arms carries.

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Winner, winner, chicken dinner☝️

[Spin Drift]

$3k?

KAC SR-15 Mod 2 $2300

Scalar Mount/MRO $550

AXTX Charging Handle $100

100 Rounds of M193 $45


M-Lok

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah49/spindrift01/DSC_3004_zpszlklnbcf.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/spindrift01/media/DSC_3004_zpszlklnbcf.jpg.html)

[Defaultmp3]

Perhaps wait and see if H&K decides to up the MR556 to A3 after SHOT.

Besides the KAC and Hodge options, check out the Radian Model 1 (formerly known as the AXTS MI-T556). The LWRCI IC-A5 also looks pretty cool while standing out internally (should you be interested in a short-stroke piston AR). The LMT LM8MRP series is certainly worth a look-see if caliber/barrel quick-change is your thing.

Drifting away from the AR platform, you could always check out the B&T APC556.

[Furbyballer]

I love how some people said hodge, but I have been looking for those guns for over a year and haven't found or gotten to one in time to pick on up lol. KAC is a great option. I actually did what you are talking about and bought the silencershop matching knights 5.56 cqb package with matching cqb silencer. It was a little over your budget with the tax stamps. If I wanted to stay in your budget and not go KAC? I would look at a completely kitted out V7 lightweight build that will be just over 6 lbs, even with their 18in barrel. That is pretty amazing. I have a completed 12.5in gun I put together from them and it weighs in just over 5 lbs with my chunky stock and a5 buffer system.

[slow10ker]

MR556 or LMT Defender with piston. Got both and love them...

[Jormungandr]

I would get a KAC SR-15 E3 CQB MOD 2

[johnnyrebel87]

Thanks!!

Cases of ammo are covered, I was well prepared for hillary to be elected. I don't even know what to do with the gazillion extra mags and lowers.

[leibermuster]

If you had 3 grand to spend on an AR-15, solely as a treat for yourself, what would you go for? Say you already had standard BCM and a DD and a homebuild AR, and you had these funds to buy a fancy boutique quality rifle. Not looking to get the same mil-speccish stuff, but upgraded/improved/etc. Not including optics, just the rifle, not a build or upper/lower, but the complete package.

And does your pick change if ran with a Sico Hybrid?

Thanks!

For a carbine not ammo, 7.62 or optics included etc etc. Some people nee to read what you posted clearly ..lol. short attention spans around here..lol.

1st Choice SR15 11.5 hands down and possible a second upper if their is enough money left over.

2nd Choice MR556. Possible get a shorter barrel if possible in US. HK416 piston is the only piston system I would use myself
416
Shorter barrel depending on if you have the SBRs covered or not in your collection or if that is what you want at all..

3rd Choice Hodge
Hope that helps

Cheers

[cougar_guy04]

My choice would be a KAC SR-15 11.5" Mod 2, M-Lok

With the money left over I'd look at accessories, a can, or a 9" SR-30 upper if you're into the whole Blackout thing (but that would like blow the budget sky high).

[Skyyr]

KAC SR-15 LPR.

If you don't like the 18" Krieger barrel on the LPR, then I'd get a KAC SR-15 16" Mod 2 instead.

Nothing else really comes close.

[TacticalSledgehammer]

Just buy 30 hi-points 995s and call it a day.

Seriously how many good ARs do you already own? If more than two, I'd buy something a bit more exotic personally.

[johnnyrebel87]

Well I could provide a company of soldiers with AR mags, so I want to stick with stuff that takes AR mags. I consolidated calibers and mags and want to keep it that way.

[contax_shooter]

If you have some beau coup cash that's just burning a hole in your wallet, there's a dimpled 14.5" Mod 1 for sale on TOS.

[graffex]

I'm about to treat myself to a KAC SR15 Mod 2 M-lok upper :)

[RobertTheTexan]

If you have some beau coup cash that's just burning a hole in your wallet, there's a dimpled 14.5" Mod 1 for sale on TOS.

OMG You were there.... Lurking about?!?!?! Aghast!!!


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[contax_shooter]

OMG You were there.... Lurking about?!?!?! Aghast!!!


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On da hunt 4 teh dealz.

This is what $4,781.13 roughly looks like:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/631/32022653631_e81390c565_b.jpg

[ExplorinInTheWoods]

I would do a noveske fan boy gun. 12.5 crusader with surefire warcomp, noveske matched gen3 noveske mlok nsr geissele super charging handle noveske black nitride bcg trijicon tr25 magpul str. I would like to see if noveske would do in house assembly.

[bravofour]

V Seven complete 14.5" or Radian model 1

[Rogue556]

I will echo what some others have said, a KAC SR15 of any flavor is about the only out of the box 5.56 carbine I think I'd ever spend close to $3k on, and they can be found for much lower than that ,obviously. (I dig the Mod 1's myself after getting to look one over recently. I plan to buy one eventually). Now, .308/7.62NATO rifles on the other hand, that's an entirely different story..

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[ABNAK]

Knights Armament SR15 E3 Mod 2, without question.

Yep, and for the $3K you mention you could get an Aimpoint T-2 with it. Get over the A2 grip, a BCM is like $30 or so.

[rajahdat]

the special run of knights sbr/silencer matching set from silencershop
:dance3:

[Furbyballer]

the special run of knights sbr/silencer matching set from silencershop
:dance3:
All gone haha. Cant wait to get mine.

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[JusticeM4]

If I already owned 3 rifles including a BCM and DD, I would buy a SCAR17 if I had the disposable income laying around. I wouldn't really have a good use for a $3k AR, it would most likely be a safe queen anyway.

[jpmuscle]

If I already owned 3 rifles including a BCM and DD, I would buy a SCAR17 if I had the disposable income laying around. I wouldn't really have a good use for a $3k AR, it would most likely be a safe queen anyway.
My rationale is that my knights buys will replace all my other sticks, save for my mk18s lol

[MistWolf]

KAC. But I'd have to replace the handguard

[Wake27]

Fyi - Brownells is starting to carry Knights products. They have 14.5 Mod2 MLOK uppers in stock now.


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[NoveskeFan]

I've been wanting a Radian Weapons (Formerly AXTS) rifle. They run $2575.

[lowprone]

Hodge be unobtainum

[Spin Drift]

On da hunt 4 teh dealz.

This is what $4,781.13 roughly looks like:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/631/32022653631_e81390c565_b.jpg



A fine argument for money well spent.

[scooter22]

On da hunt 4 teh dealz.

This is what $4,781.13 roughly looks like:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/631/32022653631_e81390c565_b.jpg

How'd you mount KM to MLOK?

[skimbleshanks]

Actually just did this, it was A Larue OBR 20".

[Ridgeline]

For me personally, I would buy any of the Daniel Defense and add an ACOG or an ELCAN specter DR. That a little over $3K right there.

[Wake27]

For me personally, I would buy any of the Daniel Defense and add an ACOG or an ELCAN specter DR. That a little over $3K right there.

He said he's not including the optic in the price. Just like he said he doesn't want a .308. Read the thread people.

[firefighter37]

This^^. This will lead to 3-5 extra KAC rifles and probably a SR25.

Truer words have never been spoken. This has happened to me, and I am on the prowl for an SR-25 ACC M-LOK

I want to rid my safe of all ARs that are not KAC.

To the OP, get a KAC SR-15 in whatever flavor suits you the best. If you would have put a Poll in the thread, the results would look like this:

KAC 90%
Everything Else 10%

Can't fight those numbers

[SiGfever]

As already stated, I would get a KAC SR-15 and not look back. But since I don't have those kind of funds, I will be happy with my LE6920 and my BCM 14.5 with a 13" KMR.

[M4arc]

H&K MR556

[johnnyrebel87]

Thanks. Looks like the KAC gets me a nicer bolt and carrier group for an extra 1k or so. Hmmmm.

[_Stormin_]

Thanks. Looks like the KAC gets me a nicer bolt and carrier group for an extra 1k or so. Hmmmm.
Just that and a rifle thats accurate, well build, and holds value like nothing else in the AR market. KAC's are like damned Rolex watches.

[johnnyrebel87]

Cool. They definitely hold their value.

[jpmuscle]

As already stated, I would get a KAC SR-15 and not look back. But since I don't have those kind of funds, I will be happy with my LE6920 and my BCM 14.5 with a 13" KMR.
But you could sell both and buy a KAC.

[SiGfever]

But you could sell both and buy a KAC.

And I was trying to be so good, damn! :help:

[Ajackz]

If I had three grand to treat myself on an AR platform. Id buy an Anderson lower then spend the rest on a SCAR heavy.

I know you dont want a .308, but you asked what I would buy.


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