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https://www.knightarmco.com/portfolio/stripped-lower/?cate_cm=military&term=miscellaneous-military&features=stripped-lower
Per their Facebook:
Stripped Lowers Coming Soon!!
Knight’s “Stoner Rifle” marked traditional TDP style stripped lower receivers. 7075 aluminum alloy with a Type III, Class 2 anodized surface treatment. All pin hole sizes are traditional “Mil-Spec”, TDP
compliant dimensions. This is a unique opportunity to match KAC uppers with high-quality low-cost KAC lower receivers. Knight’s lower receiver parts and controls are available to complete the assembly.
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Looks like a standard AR lower, no SR-15 features. I'm wondering what the price will be.
I assume these won't be designated as SR-15s?
Mrgunsngear
01-19-17, 10:12
$149 FWIW
I'm definitely grabbing a couple just because. Hopefully low cost means just that.
KAC mk18? Yes please.
I assume these won't be designated as SR-15s?
"STONER RIFLE"
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556BlackRifle
01-19-17, 10:22
Dang..... I'm gonna need another safe.
$149 FWIW
Speculation or fact?
I want. I want several in fact.
Damn it. Now, I really wish I'd bought that KAC upper a few years back when I had a chance.
There are going to be SO many people peddling "Knight's Armament rifles" for $2k on Gunbroker, made from these lowers and all the rest Anderson Mfg. parts.
I want. I want several in fact.
Damn it. Now, I really wish I'd bought that KAC upper a few years back when I had a chance.
I wish they'd do a run of mod2 CQBs with URX 3.1s.
Speculation or fact?
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Very nice. Thank you.
That's solid pricing. Any idea on what parts kit will be priced at?
Saw this on FB. At $150, if its typical KAC quality, I think it's worth it. Gonna pick one up for sure.
titsonritz
01-19-17, 10:45
I'll be on it for sure.
I wish they'd do a run of mod2 CQBs with URX 3.1s.
There are a lot of set ups I wish they'd do runs of honestly.
And yes, at $150 I think they'd sell well. And if street is even less, I foresee them being a royal pain in the ass to get because they will sell like hotcakes.
Did someone say parts kit? That would be hell of cool if KAC brings parts kits too. Otherwise I figuring a Colt LPK with G trigger.
I'll buy a couple, as lowers have become more available and cheaper I have been swapping out ones with roll marks I like for the ones like anderson lowers I bought when it was what I could get.
There are a lot of set ups I wish they'd do runs of honestly.
And yes, at $150 I think they'd sell well. And if street is even less, I foresee them being a royal pain in the ass to get because they will sell like hotcakes.
Did someone say parts kit? That would be hell of cool if KAC brings parts kits too. Otherwise I figuring a Colt LPK with G trigger.
No LPK that I'm aware of, but "drop-in" (cassette style?) trigger.
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No LPK that I'm aware of, but "drop-in" (cassette style?) trigger.
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Damn, well one can hope. Lol.
If Kac coming out with a new trigger I'd be interested, but will likely stick with another SSA, though I may need to give KAC's two stage a try, cuz reasons.
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That's the same trigger that comes in all their factory rifles correct?
There are going to be SO many people peddling "Knight's Armament rifles" for $2k on Gunbroker, made from these lowers and all the rest Anderson Mfg. parts.
But the lowers are non-ambi.
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But the lowers are non-ambi.
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That won't matter, lol. Details, details.
There are going to be SO many people peddling "Knight's Armament rifles" for $2k on Gunbroker, made from these lowers and all the rest Anderson Mfg. parts.
I've had guys trying to sell me BCM rifles that the only BCM item was the charging handle. I hate to say it, if you don't know what you are buying then you probably shouldn't buy it. The Ar is just an AR crowd can go whine, most here know what they are looking for and looking at.
hotrodder636
01-19-17, 11:53
Sigh...I need one of these like I need a hole in my head. But, it would go well with my SR15 Mod 0.
call_me_ski
01-19-17, 11:56
If that snap on comes with the slide lock it just made my year a little bit more expensive along with these lowers.
yeah i'm getting this for sure.
But the lowers are non-ambi.
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I never use the ambi stuff on my SR15 lower anyways. There will be a form 1 in the mail as soon as I take receipt of one of these.
Singlestack Wonder
01-19-17, 12:48
I never use the ambi stuff on my SR15 lower anyways. There will be a form 1 in the mail as soon as I take receipt of one of these.
This......
Mrgunsngear
01-19-17, 12:50
Speculation or fact?
I talked to them yesterday in person. It's a fact.
BangBang77
01-19-17, 13:05
There are going to be SO many people peddling "Knight's Armament rifles" for $2k on Gunbroker, made from these lowers and all the rest Anderson Mfg. parts.
Exactly what i thought when i read this post earlier...
I almost dont want this to happen for that very reason.
That won't matter, lol. Details, details.
I was trying to say that alone would be enough to know that it's not a complete rifle from the factory.
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arbninftry
01-19-17, 13:35
These will make great SBR projects. I would like a couple myself.
I haven't buit anything from a stripped lower yet because I don't really care for what's currently available. These will most certainly change that. I wonder if they'll ever offer their ambi lowers seperate?
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Again, anyone find anything about KAC parts kits?
sinlessorrow
01-19-17, 14:31
Why would anyone pay $150 for a stripper AR lower?
A lower is a lower, as most forgings only come from 2-3 factories.
I don't think the "Stoner Rifle" marking is worth an extra $100 imo.
I'm actually shocked it's only $150. I was gonna guess $300-400+.
Again, anyone find anything about KAC parts kits?
LMT? Other than the trigger, that's probably it.
Again, anyone find anything about KAC parts kits?
I didn't see any info about them, but it says in the release that "Knights lower receiver parts and controls" will be available to complete.
LMT? Other than the trigger, that's probably it.
Ah, interesting. I didn't know that. What I do know is the selectors on our SR16s at work are crisper than any other brand I've run and I love it.
Why would anyone pay $150 for a stripper AR lower?
A lower is a lower, as most forgings only come from 2-3 factories.
I don't think the "Stoner Rifle" marking is worth an extra $100 imo.
Does that hold true for their ambi lowers as well?
But the lowers are non-ambi.
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For all the ambi features you really need a complete lower. These, while expensive are commonly available. It would be nice to get a lower with no fcg or safety, but the KAC ones are not bad.
If that snap on comes with the slide lock it just made my year a little bit more expensive along with these lowers.
Uh, yeah. Same.
Isn't the entire draw of the KAC lower the fact that it's ambi?
Isn't the entire draw of the KAC lower the fact that it's ambi?
But dat roll mark doh
sinlessorrow
01-19-17, 17:59
Ah, interesting. I didn't know that. What I do know is the selectors on our SR16s at work are crisper than any other brand I've run and I love it.
Does that hold true for their ambi lowers as well?
No, but this is $150 for a mil spec lower.....Anderson makes mil spec lowers for $49.99.
No, but this is $150 for a mil spec lower.....Anderson makes mil spec lowers for $49.99.
Mil spec lowers with questionable quality control. And that results in things being out of spec. Ergo, not mil spec.
Why would anyone pay $150 for a stripper AR lower?
A lower is a lower, as most forgings only come from 2-3 factories.
I don't think the "Stoner Rifle" marking is worth an extra $100 imo.
Big difference between a forging and a finished lower. Material is one thing. Machining to a manufacturers spec and finish is another.
sinlessorrow
01-19-17, 18:30
Mil spec lowers with questionable quality control. And that results in things being out of spec. Ergo, not mil spec.
Really? Look I like KAC, but paying $150 for a stripped lower is dumb.
It doesn't matter how you spin it, it's Colt level dumb....Who's lowers also commend a premium.
Damn!!! Just when I got it narrowed down to either a Battle Arms Development, Noveske, or Sionics for my next lower, along comes KAC. What's a man going to do? :alcoholic:
There are going to be SO many people peddling "Knight's Armament rifles" for $2k on Gunbroker, made from these lowers and all the rest Anderson Mfg. parts.
Yeap.
Really? Look I like KAC, but paying $150 for a stripped lower is dumb.
It doesn't matter how you spin it, it's Colt level dumb....Who's lowers also commend a premium.
Considering their non LE priced complete ambi lowers are what 850$? 150 isn't outrageous given their relative pricing structure.
Honestly it's not a bad idea as it expands their brand availability to those who would otherwise not be willing to pony up the cash for a complete SR. Folks will still run PSA or delton uppers on them but that's not the point I'm trying to make.
Why would anyone pay $150 for a stripper AR lower?
A lower is a lower, as most forgings only come from 2-3 factories.
I don't think the "Stoner Rifle" marking is worth an extra $100 imo.
You couldn't be further from the truth.
Damn!!! Just when I got it narrowed down to either a Battle Arms Development, Noveske, or Sionics for my next lower, along comes KAC. What's a man going to do? :alcoholic:
I wouldn't get noveske or kac unless it's to match their uppers
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No, but this is $150 for a mil spec lower.....Anderson makes mil spec lowers for $49.99.
Nope.
I wouldn't get noveske or kac unless it's to match their uppers
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So you wouldn't buy one of the most respected names in AR manufacturers...Unless it's for cosmetic reasons.
OK children, calm the hell down and let's behave nicely.
As mentioned above it's a milspec lower. You can get that for $100 from other respected manufacturers.
I would not buy an Anderson period but there's no point in getting a boutique lower for me unless it's to match a boutique upper.
If he's savvy he could get the sionics which most people agree is respected for cheaper.
Obviously he's having trouble deciding. They are all good, pick the one that matches your upper.
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Jwknutson17
01-19-17, 18:58
As much as I love KAC products, I don't think I will buy one. I buy KAC lowers for the ambi controls, and the "extras" that come with. When you start with a stripped lower, to get the same quality parts, you will be back to over 800 without ambi mag release or bolt release. I would spring for a factory KAC lower with a A5. Or, I would still like to see some current production items more available instead of pulling resources for stripped lowers. Just my .02.
Those of you who never use the ambi-controls, I'll be happy to get you a non-ambi lower with the parts installed that you want. Might go well with my big gun.
I'm willing to pay extra for certain manufacturer products not only for their quality but also because of the people that own and/or work there. Their integrity, expertise, customer service, and the quality of the products they bring to the table throughout their history, I feel is worth paying a premium. At the end of the day, I call it "owner satisfaction".
I hope KAC runs these uppers for a limited time only. Just long enough for some to get their tips wet.
As much as I love KAC products, I don't think I will buy one. I buy KAC lowers for the ambi controls, and the "extras" that come with. When you start with a stripped lower, to get the same quality parts, you will be back to over 800 without ambi mag release or bolt release. I would spring for a factory KAC lower with a A5. Or, I would still like to see some current production items more available instead of pulling resources for stripped lowers. Just my .02.
800?
KAC stripped lower: $150
Colt lower parts kit minus FCG: $60 (http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=SPK99796)
Geissele SSA: $200
Colt receiver extension, end plate, nut and H2 buffer at G&R: $92
Magpul CTR stock: $59.95 (https://www.magpul.com/products/firearms-accessories/buttstocks/ctr-carbine-stock-mil-spec)
Total, about $562 plus shipping and I think it's safe to say I didn't skimp on the parts here..
hotrodder636
01-19-17, 19:21
I am with Nong on this one...
Those of you who never use the ambi-controls, I'll be happy to get you a non-ambi lower with the parts installed that you want. Might go well with my big gun.
800?
KAC stripped lower: $150
Colt lower parts kit minus FCG: $60 (http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=SPK99796)
Geissele SSA: $200
Colt receiver extension, end plate, nut and H2 buffer at G&R: $92
Magpul CTR stock: $59.95 (https://www.magpul.com/products/firearms-accessories/buttstocks/ctr-carbine-stock-mil-spec)
Total, about $562 plus shipping and I think it's safe to say I didn't skimp on the parts here..
That's pretty much nails it for what I had planned. Thanks for the list.
That's pretty much nails it for what I had planned. Thanks for the list.
You're welcome. I guess I'd go with something other than Colt for the receiver extension since they only have 4 positions but, ya know.. I was being lazy.
Add 90$ if you want to keep with the KAC style QD end plate and more if you stick with the LMT stock
If you use the lmt stock and an ambi safety like BAD/AXTS/KAC, it adds up for sure.
The reason I'm interested in this is I already have a Colt lpk, geissele and a5 kit lying around that I wasn't planning on selling so this makes a cheap/easy match to the mod2 upper Ive been wanting.
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Just when you thought you didn't need another lower.
DreadPirateMoyer
01-19-17, 21:51
800?
KAC stripped lower: $150
Colt lower parts kit minus FCG: $60 (http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=SPK99796)
Geissele SSA: $200
Colt receiver extension, end plate, nut and H2 buffer at G&R: $92
Magpul CTR stock: $59.95 (https://www.magpul.com/products/firearms-accessories/buttstocks/ctr-carbine-stock-mil-spec)
Total, about $562 plus shipping and I think it's safe to say I didn't skimp on the parts here..
You're missing a genuine LMT SOPMOD stock, all of KAC's ambi controls that can't all be replicated on a standard lower but would still cost a lot to match where possible (safety, mag release, etc.), and a QD end plate. The first two are especially serious cost increasers.
Jwknutson17
01-19-17, 21:52
If you use the lmt stock and an ambi safety like BAD/AXTS/KAC, it adds up for sure.
The reason I'm interested in this is I already have a Colt lpk, geissele and a5 kit lying around that I wasn't planning on selling so this makes a cheap/easy match to the mod2 upper Ive been wanting.
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Your reasoning is a good one. If you got those parts already, and a KAC upper. I'm with you.
As far as others saying 560 some bucks... sure. I guess.. For me an extra 240 total for the ambi lower/ controls, LMT Stock, KAC trigger, LMT RE, ambi selector, KAC trigger guard, KAC QD plate, is worth well more then 240 to me. And if you find them sale in the 720-750 range, it's not even an argument unless your in the exact same boat jstalford is in.
It's a great business decision for KAC no doubt, but it's not for me and my needs.
You're missing a genuine LMT SOPMOD stock, all of KAC's ambi controls that can't all be replicated on a standard lower but would still cost a lot to match where possible (safety, mag release, etc.), and a QD end plate. The first two are especially serious cost increasers.
I suppose I might have missed where the objective was to create something as close as possible to an SR15 lower but I guess you just showed why SR15s are really expensive?
3ACR_Scout
01-19-17, 22:52
You're missing a genuine LMT SOPMOD stock...
I'll have to remove mine (bought it as a complete kit) from my old Bushmaster, my first AR. Also have a Colt LPK on hand. I'd been thinking about a Noveske stripped lower, but these will be about $30 cheaper. As much as I'd like to have an SR-15, it's just not in my budget these days. I wouldn't even be picking up an upper anytime soon, but I'd like to build a KAC lower and keep it around until I can save up for the matching upper. As someone else mentioned, I'd like to have a KAC lower like this as an example of a quality product from a great manufacturer.
Pre-order at Small Arm Sales
$194.95
50 available
http://www.smallarmsales.com/product-p/22360.htm
I'm not really worried about picking one up right now but I could see myself ordering at least one or two in the future. I have like 4 or 5 stripped lowers already sitting in the safe and don't really have anything I want to built right now.
Hopefully we see them closer to the 150 dollar price point in the future.
Jormungandr
01-19-17, 23:19
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lahunter57
01-20-17, 08:09
Pre order available from boltcarrier also. $187.50 and 43 available so far.
I picked up one just so I can match my Mod 1 upper that's currently wearing a Noveske lower.
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Considering their non LE priced complete ambi lowers are what 850$?
There's an LE price?
TacticalFun
01-20-17, 08:27
I ordered two. I will pay for the qc.
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There's an LE price?
Drop me a pm brother
Well I am down for one.
I recall a few years back Lawmen's had a $400 stripped vintage lower on Gunbroker forever. I came damn close but didn't.
This price seems more reasonable.
True there are indeed the ambi lowers, but this harkens to that moment in KAC history when they were still 'underground'.
I would love to do a full SR-15 M4 with the flip up gas block but they are not made anymore. I have an idea though. Something unique but period correct.
That harkens to the days when Avril Lavigne and was on the radio and Arrested Development was still on TV.
Aaahh...those halcyon days of yore.
Ugh. I yearn for flip up gas block.
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Welp, part of me is excited that I have the option of building out a KAC lower with my choice of components, instead of having to buy an $800 lower and then tossing out half of the components.
The other half of me, though, thinks this is a poor decision for KAC in the long-term. KAC is one of the few manufacturers that is pretty much proven across the board and their previous distribution of only-assembled lowers meant there was an easy way to spot lowers that had been modified. It seems to me that making these parts more commonplace and cheaper will only undermine that previous image and reputation.
Broadens the market but dilutes the exclusivity and prestige.
I would jump on one of these, but then I'll end up thinking about it for a while and probably just grab a complete Sr 15 lower
Is this actually going to be a KAC catalogue item or is this NOS like the SR-25 lowers they unearthed?
Trust me, it did not diminish KAC one bit.
Also anyone who compares Anderson anything to KAC is on some serious, serious acid. Not a diss but anyone that believes that is just wrong.
I hope this is a limited engagement or it'll turn into a 1000 man gangbang and we all know how messy that can be.
TacticalFun
01-20-17, 14:35
That sounds horrible.
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Welp, part of me is excited that I have the option of building out a KAC lower with my choice of components, instead of having to buy an $800 lower and then tossing out half of the components.
The other half of me, though, thinks this is a poor decision for KAC in the long-term. KAC is one of the few manufacturers that is pretty much proven across the board and their previous distribution of only-assembled lowers meant there was an easy way to spot lowers that had been modified. It seems to me that making these parts more commonplace and cheaper will only undermine that previous image and reputation.
Wouldn't the fact these are non-ambi denote them from other KAC offerings?
Not really.
There's the mainstream that either doesn't know what Kac is or doesn't know what it means.
Then those that know it = legit
But few will know enough to say 'wait a second, that's a Kac lower but I don't see the telltale ambi features associated with the sr15.'
You might have Joe dirt coming up and saying "hey brother, I got a Kac too!" Only to be hold a rifle that is completely Anderson except for the KAC lower receiver
^^This is what I'm thinking too.
Who cares if people build these out like crap? They do that to good guns now. I don't know how many times I've seen high dollar lowers with $29 lpks installed. I've even *heard* of people buying Colts, swaping internals and selling the parts as OEM Colt takeoffs and the gun as an OEM Colt. If you buy someone else's gun or upper/lower you are taking a chance. Either you know whats what or you dont.
No, but this is $150 for a mil spec lower.....Anderson makes mil spec lowers for $49.99.
No way you can be serious with a comment like that, it's just absurd. KAC is leaps and bounds above anything Anderson Manufacturing may put out, by far.
Wouldn't the fact these are non-ambi denote them from other KAC offerings?
That's my point. If that ends up being the case, then these really become a "Hey, here's my KAC-branded budget lower because I couldn't afford an actual factory KAC" kind of thing. So, in my opinion, it ends up watering the brand down and detracting from it's image because it's specifically an offering to allow people to afford the rollmark without necessarily being a quality build (i.e. a KAC lower with potential junk components). That, in my opinion, is the antithesis of the image KAC has built over the years (that image being: "screw cost - we're going to build it right").
Colt stopped selling their stripped lowers for similar reasons several years ago.
ODgreenpizza
01-20-17, 16:11
150 is a bit steep for a stripped lower and the pre order prices posted buy others are kinda crazy when Mega/Rainier/Seekins/Grey Ghost are all closer to 100.
Totally get the desire to match the roll mark on your upper though.
I really don't understand how it waters down anything. KAC is KAC. Some of y'all are looking at this with a collectors mentality.
This is a KAC lower. High quality. That's it. No more, no less.
The same was said when Colt rolled out the expanse. My 6920 doesn't seem to know it's been watered down as a result of the expanse.
I don't give a shit WHAT somebody might build with these. I still want an SR.
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rapomstage3
01-20-17, 16:30
Mine is ordered. Thanks Ayan! I just want to say I met Jack and Troy today, they were both awesome. Of course that's where I found out about the lowers and immediately bought one. What a day!!
SERIOUS QUESTION:
Are these going to be catalogue items or are they a NOS deal that KAC is doing like the SR-25 kits years back?
Some people made some really shitty guns and some people made healthy "more human than human" KAC clones.
Trust me. I know.
If F2S or someone could chime in on this, it would be great.
rapomstage3
01-20-17, 16:44
I was told it was a shot show special. All I got.
Who cares if people build these out like crap? They do that to good guns now. I don't know how many times I've seen high dollar lowers with $29 lpks installed. I've even *heard* of people buying Colts, swaping internals and selling the parts as OEM Colt takeoffs and the gun as an OEM Colt. If you buy someone else's gun or upper/lower you are taking a chance. Either you know whats what or you dont.
Exactly.
Buy one, or don't.
I guess no one remembers Christmas Cheer components...
Can anyone confirm if these lowers will be marked "SR-15" or not?
Can anyone confirm if these lowers will be marked "SR-15" or not?
Yes, they are.
Does anyone know if these are marked SR-15? I'm not sure how much it costs for them to produce two sets of receivers marked differently, but if these are marked with anything other than SR-15 then they'd also be able to sell to some ban states.
ETA: Sorry missed the post right above.
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So has anyone confirmed if these are a new, permanent offering? Or are these just a SHOT Show special only?
So has anyone confirmed if these are a new, permanent offering? Or are these just a SHOT Show special only?
They are limited numbers. The exact number has not been released. Pre-orders have been selling like hotcakes.
Well I got in a pre order, didn't want to chance these being one time like the Christmas cheer stuff.
I'll be using it on a 11.5" BCM CHF barreled upper with a knights URXII rail I have. I'm going to build it as a pistol which something you can't normally do with a Knights lower because they all start life as rifles, like with colt.
Does anyone have a link to the preorder through Operation Parts?
MeanCarbine
01-20-17, 20:49
$149 FWIW
Pre-order at Small Arm Sales
$194.95
50 available
http://www.smallarmsales.com/product-p/22360.htm
Pre order available from boltcarrier also. $187.50 and 43 available so far.
I picked up one just so I can match my Mod 1 upper that's currently wearing a Noveske lower.
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$150 huh. Not exactly sticking to the suggested price. LOL
They are limited numbers. The exact number has not been released. Pre-orders have been selling like hotcakes.
Im interested to know how many they will release. It wont affect my opinion, im just curious.
I picked one up because i want lowers that WILL be in spec, not a lower that COULD be in spec. Same reason i bought a battle arms forged when they first came out, it was guaranteed to be in spec.
Im interested to know how many they will release. It wont affect my opinion, im just curious.
I picked one up because i want lowers that WILL be in spec, not a lower that COULD be in spec. Same reason i bought a battle arms forged when they first came out, it was guaranteed to be in spec.
I am curious as well. Was hoping it would be a regular item. I assume it likely NOS, but who knows. Maybe time to poke KAC to get lowers out there. Lol. If these end up being limited time offer I still going to try to grab a couple. Otherwise I going big.
They aren't selling them through lawmens?
Well, got me one on order through Boltcarrier...
Does anyone have a link to the preorder through Operation Parts?
Small arm sales is operation parts' FFL site:
http://www.smallarmsales.com/product-p/22360.htm
Boltcarrier is cheaper though, and their site says "will ship on or before 1/27" where as smallarmsales says "in stock soon" if that matters to you.
https://www.boltcarrier.com/product/stripped-sr15-lower
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3ACR_Scout
01-21-17, 09:11
$150 huh. Not exactly sticking to the suggested price. LOL
Yeah, that bothers me. I don't want one that badly to per-order one at a marked up price, if the original info about the price was accurate. Bolt Carrier lists it as marked down from $200.
Possible $149 was the dealer price? That would make more sense if they are marked down from $200.
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Im interested to know how many they will release. It wont affect my opinion, im just curious.
I picked one up because i want lowers that WILL be in spec, not a lower that COULD be in spec. Same reason i bought a battle arms forged when they first came out, it was guaranteed to be in spec.
Don't forget about dat roll mark.
Yeah, that bothers me. I don't want one that badly to per-order one at a marked up price, if the original info about the price was accurate. Bolt Carrier lists it as marked down from $200.
The 150 was the dealer price, that was leaked from a flyer from SHOT.
3ACR_Scout
01-21-17, 11:05
Got it, thanks for clarifying that! I'll have to see if my local guy can order one.
Yeah....dealers gotta make money too. It would be great if people distributed KAC lowers at low prices out of the good and charity of their hearts as ambassadors of love, PLUR, and sunshine.
That said....I sorta was hoping for a Vero Beach lower just because.
I just ordered one from Operation Parts/Small Arms Sales. I already have a Colt LPK and an A5 receiver extension that need a home so this should be an appropriate host. :cool:
Don't forget about dat roll mark.
Well, it didnt make my decision harder 😎
If I needed another AR lower I'd buy one for sure. The last lower I bought was actually a complete SR-30 lower.
I for one will probably wait until LMT starts selling their MARS-L lower since its a true ambi lower though I don't need that either ;)
outdoorsportsman
01-21-17, 14:04
I bought one of these a few years ago. KAC sold about 25 through a dealer on Gunbroker. I contacted the KAC rep that posts here occasionally and he confirmed it was legit. The story I got at that time was they were some kind of special project for the US military that Trey had been working on. One thing I have never had cleared up is in regards to the pivot pin and takedown pin holes. If you look closely at the picture you can see that these holes have extra machining around them on the rollmarked side of the receiver. Almost like countersinking. This seems to cause more play between the upper and lower. I have been trying to find out the purpose of this and have never had any luck. If anyone has an explanation I would appreciate it.
I hope this is a limited engagement or it'll turn into a 1000 man gangbang and we all know how messy that can be.
Im thinking about buying a dozen and letting them marinate for a decade or so next to the NiB Colts.
Perhaps F2S will chime in shortly as to whether this is similar to the Xmas cheer offering. Regardless, if you want one, now is the time to buy.
MeanCarbine
01-25-17, 12:40
Does these have a upper/lower tensioning screw?
lahunter57
01-25-17, 12:43
Does these have a upper/lower tensioning screw?
Doubtful. KAC doesn't do/need that gimmick crap.
MeanCarbine
01-25-17, 12:47
Doubtful. KAC doesn't do/need that gimmick crap.
Gimmick crap? You mean like ambi controls? Lol
lahunter57
01-25-17, 12:58
Gimmick crap? You mean like ambi controls? Lol
I would not consider those to be a gimmick. They actually serve toward manipulation of the weapon. A tension screw doesn't do anything besides apply tension on the takedown pin in order to make the receivers seem like they are tighter fitting.
rapomstage3
01-25-17, 13:41
Does these have a upper/lower tensioning screw?
I just laughed so hard!!Thank you very!!
MeanCarbine
01-25-17, 13:56
I just laughed so hard!!Thank you very!!
From this mb....Shocker..lol
No, but this is $150 for a mil spec lower.....Anderson makes mil spec lowers for $49.99.
Nothing about Anderson is mil-spec. As luck would have it, mil-spec parts will SOMETIMES go into them.
C4
Possible $149 was the dealer price? That would make more sense if they are marked down from $200.
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Correct.
C4
Failure2Stop
01-25-17, 16:58
Hey, sorry I'm late to the party, life turns inside out and set on fire at SHOT time.
The $150 was a special SHOT deal that has now ended. That was the lowest price that they will ever be seen. These have been returned to Dealer only availability, and their pricing is confidential.
These are indeed a limited run, with no expectation of permanency in the line. I don't think that it would ever become a staple, but "never say never" and all that. The intent of these was to get a bunch of SR-15s into the hands of KAC appreciators that might not have the immediate funds available for full guns, or even our upper or lower packages; or to that KAC fan that just needs another great roll-mark.
It was noticed that the old pivot pin and takedown pin counterbore are present. This feature is only present on the first run, and has been removed for following runs.
At some point, we may release the total numbers made, but it won't be a whole lot.
Better than Anderson? Don't know, never heard of her.
MeanCarbine
01-25-17, 17:03
....It was noticed that the old pivot pin and takedown pin counterbore are present. This feature is only present on the first run, and has been removed for following runs.
......
Are these lowers the first run?
Why is the counterbore feature there and why will it be removed?
Thanks
Please get drunk and release a run of stripped uppers soon! :D
Hey, sorry I'm late to the party, life turns inside out and set on fire at SHOT time.
The $150 was a special SHOT deal that has now ended. That was the lowest price that they will ever be seen. These have been returned to Dealer only availability, and their pricing is confidential.
These are indeed a limited run, with no expectation of permanency in the line. I don't think that it would ever become a staple, but "never say never" and all that. The intent of these was to get a bunch of SR-15s into the hands of KAC appreciators that might not have the immediate funds available for full guns, or even our upper or lower packages; or to that KAC fan that just needs another great roll-mark.
It was noticed that the old pivot pin and takedown pin counterbore are present. This feature is only present on the first run, and has been removed for following runs.
At some point, we may release the total numbers made, but it won't be a whole lot.
Better than Anderson? Don't know, never heard of her.
For the win!
C4
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How are ambi controls gimmicky?
Gimmick crap? You mean like ambi controls? Lol
I feel better with Jack confirming what we kinda suspected.
Now to some bones of the matter;
Are any of these Vero Beach lowers? Or all Titusville?
I want a Vero Beach to go with my M110K1 build. Not for any technical correctness. Just....I dunno. I think it would be neat.
Part of me wants to do an SBR and part of me wants to do a midlength carbine and I only got one on order.....hmm.....decisions. I want to recapture that '05-06ish era before the ambi lowers which I kinda like.
I wish Triple Taps were available....
Hey, sorry I'm late to the party, life turns inside out and set on fire at SHOT time.
The $150 was a special SHOT deal that has now ended. That was the lowest price that they will ever be seen. These have been returned to Dealer only availability, and their pricing is confidential.
These are indeed a limited run, with no expectation of permanency in the line. I don't think that it would ever become a staple, but "never say never" and all that. The intent of these was to get a bunch of SR-15s into the hands of KAC appreciators that might not have the immediate funds available for full guns, or even our upper or lower packages; or to that KAC fan that just needs another great roll-mark.
It was noticed that the old pivot pin and takedown pin counterbore are present. This feature is only present on the first run, and has been removed for following runs.
At some point, we may release the total numbers made, but it won't be a whole lot.
Better than Anderson? Don't know, never heard of her.
Will the lowers take standard mil-speck LPKs?
Will the lowers take standard mil-speck LPKs?
Pretty sure they will.
The only hang up I had with an old KAC SR-25 lower was the Geissele trigger that needed fitting which Geissele did and did well. But I don't believe basic SR-15 lowers are radically different like that
Pretty sure they will.
The only hang up I had with an old KAC SR-25 lower was the Geissele trigger that needed fitting which Geissele did and did well. But I don't believe basic SR-15 lowers are radically different like that
I'm mainly concerned with the pivot and take-down pins being non-standard, if that's the case.
Are these lowers the first run?
Why is the counterbore feature there and why will it be removed?
Thanks
This, please.
The counterbored portion of the pivot and takedown holes are clearly visible in the KAC image. Perhaps IG or Grant can chime in on the compatibility of standard, mil-spec takedown and pivot pins with the KAC stripped lower.
The counterbored portion of the pivot and takedown holes are clearly visible in the KAC image. Perhaps IG or Grant can chime in on the compatibility of standard, mil-spec takedown and pivot pins with the KAC stripped lower.
Mines getting a set of battle arms pins, but i would still like to know the purpose and why it was stopped. Im guessing it is to make non extended pins easier to push out further.
Mines getting a set of battle arms pins, but i would still like to know the purpose and why it was stopped. Im guessing it is to make non extended pins easier to push out further.
That makes sense. I assume it's counterbored only on one side of the receiver.
That makes sense. I assume it's counterbored only on one side of the receiver.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170126/8f11dfc377ae3669b95f168bcd2b8587.jpg
Looks like rear of right side is as well, but possibly not the front. The rear pin has a flat head and this could help get a hold of it, the front pin has a larger head so it wouldnt be needed.
Once again this is purely speculation.
outdoorsportsman
01-26-17, 07:31
Standard pins will fit. I reached out to a Knight's rep about the purpose of the counterbore. This is the response I received:
"The counterbore on the left side was a remnant of one of our old lower machining protocols. It made removal of the takedown and pivot pins a little easier in tight upper/lower combos. This counterbore is only present on the first run though, and later production will not have this feature. Naturally, our lowers will fit to our clearance and tolerance allowance regardless of the left side counterbore feature or lack thereof".
These are great Mil-Spec lowers. I'm sure they will only appreciate in value. I have always wondered about the purpose of the counterbore. Glad we were able to find out the purpose. M4carbine.net is a wealth of great info.
ETA I just realized the Knight's rep I reached out to is Failure2Stop. Thanks to him and everyone else who commented in this thread, very helpful information.
MeanCarbine
01-26-17, 07:37
Standard pins will fit. I reached out to a Knight's rep about the purpose of the counterbore. This is the response I received:
"The counterbore on the left side was a remnant of one of our old lower machining protocols. It made removal of the takedown and pivot pins a little easier in tight upper/lower combos. This counterbore is only present on the first run though, and later production will not have this feature. Naturally, our lowers will fit to our clearance and tolerance allowance regardless of the left side counterbore feature or lack thereof".
These are great Mil-Spec lowers. I'm sure they will only appreciate in value. I have always wondered about the purpose of the counterbore. Glad we were able to find out the purpose. M4carbine.net is a wealth of great info.
The reasoning behind the counterbore is sound, so why d/c this feature?
Also, if it is a remnant of an old lower machining protocol, when were these lowers made? Have they been in storage? Just curious.
Standard pins will fit. I reached out to a Knight's rep about the purpose of the counterbore. This is the response I received:
"The counterbore on the left side was a remnant of one of our old lower machining protocols. It made removal of the takedown and pivot pins a little easier in tight upper/lower combos. This counterbore is only present on the first run though, and later production will not have this feature. Naturally, our lowers will fit to our clearance and tolerance allowance regardless of the left side counterbore feature or lack thereof".
These are great Mil-Spec lowers. I'm sure they will only appreciate in value. I have always wondered about the purpose of the counterbore. Glad we were able to find out the purpose. M4carbine.net is a wealth of great info.
Thanks for posting this.
Failure2Stop
01-26-17, 08:27
The reasoning behind the counterbore is sound, so why d/c this feature?
Also, if it is a remnant of an old lower machining protocol, when were these lowers made? Have they been in storage? Just curious.
The feature was removed because it is ultimately not needed, not present on our standard ambi lower, and makes explanations like this necessary, haha.
These are new production lower receivers, have not been in storage. The machining processes used to take the forging to final form are not the same as those used to take our ambi forgings to finished state, and a process that was used to create "non-ambi" lowers several years ago was re-used for these. When an optimized, more current process was implemented the counterbores were intentionally omitted to bring the lower more in-line with our "standard" lower receiver.
The feature was removed because it is ultimately not needed, not present on our standard ambi lower, and makes explanations like this necessary, haha.
These are new production lower receivers, have not been in storage. The machining processes used to take the forging to final form are not the same as those used to take our ambi forgings to finished state, and a process that was used to create "non-ambi" lowers several years ago was re-used for these. When an optimized, more current process was implemented the counterbores were intentionally omitted to bring the lower more in-line with our "standard" lower receiver.
"Optimized" , now i have to buy a gen 2 as well, thanks....
But seriously, thanks for letting us know whats up.
IKnowNotEverything
01-26-17, 10:52
These are indeed a limited run, with no expectation of permanency in the line. I don't think that it would ever become a staple, but "never say never" and all that. The intent of these was to get a bunch of SR-15s into the hands of KAC appreciators that might not have the immediate funds available for full guns, or even our upper or lower packages; or to that KAC fan that just needs another great roll-mark.
I was able to snag one of the last from the boltcarrier site yesterday. As one of those people that fits your target demographic here, I have to say thanks. Will be using this lower towards a future SPR build. I didn't even know I wanted this, but I definitely ponied up for that roll-mark.
I really appreciate the wealth of knowledge available on this website, but you people are making life hard on the wallet.
WickedWillis
01-26-17, 12:41
I will buy one for my SBR project. Still cheaper than a Noveske, and the $150 price doesn't bother me at all.
MeanCarbine
01-26-17, 13:33
The feature was removed because it is ultimately not needed, not present on our standard ambi lower, and makes explanations like this necessary, haha.
These are new production lower receivers, have not been in storage. The machining processes used to take the forging to final form are not the same as those used to take our ambi forgings to finished state, and a process that was used to create "non-ambi" lowers several years ago was re-used for these. When an optimized, more current process was implemented the counterbores were intentionally omitted to bring the lower more in-line with our "standard" lower receiver.
Any changes made in the lowers other than removing the counterbore with the new machining process?
Also, will KAC have LPK sans FCG available?
Singlestack Wonder
01-26-17, 13:46
Looking forward to these....
Failure2Stop: Will there be a special m4carbine.net price for members? :cool:
....so no Vero Beach markings?
I wanted to relive those days of Avril Lavigne and My Chemical Romance.....
...okay that came out wrong.
WickedWillis
01-26-17, 14:02
....so no Vero Beach markings?
I wanted to relive those days of Avril Lavigne and My Chemical Romance.....
...okay that came out wrong.
No it didn't.
The counterbored lowers will fetch a premium eventually, I predict.
Are these in stock anywhere? It seems they're not even available for pre-order.
I will buy one for my SBR project. Still cheaper than a Noveske, and the $150 price doesn't bother me at all.
My understanding is the $150 is a dealer Shot Show price.
Are these in stock anywhere? It seems they're not even available for pre-order.
Small arms sales and bolt carrier had them but I think they're all sold out now.
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Post Shot Show dealer pricing has not been released, but retail will be around $200 I was told.
Correct. They are closer to $200 retail and gone for now.
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Small arms sales and bolt carrier had them but I think they're all sold out now.
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Thanks, I saw that.
WickedWillis
01-27-17, 11:17
My understanding is the $150 is a dealer Shot Show price.
Thank you for the heads up!
"Gone for now" meaning it will be some time before there are more released for purchasing? We're there (are there) other resellers carrying these besides the two sites listed earlier?
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MeanCarbine
01-27-17, 11:51
"Gone for now" meaning it will be some time before there are more released for purchasing? We're there (are there) other resellers carrying these besides the two sites listed earlier?
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Probably local firearms dealers who attended SS.
I shoulda got two. Oh well.
Anyways, I'm sure some neckbeard will put a few up on GB for 400 a pop once these drop.
I got one on preorder because I am an unapologetic KAC fanboy and want to do up a KAC carbine.
Less scrupulous types are just godless neckbeards
"Gone for now" meaning it will be some time before there are more released for purchasing? We're there (are there) other resellers carrying these besides the two sites listed earlier?
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We will be stocking them.
C4
WickedWillis
01-27-17, 12:12
We will be stocking them.
C4
Good to hear.
We will be stocking them.
Happen to have an ETA?
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We will be stocking them.
C4
Price?
We will be stocking them.
C4
Hmm....I may get a second one after all.
Happen to have an ETA?
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We should have our order in 2 weeks according to KAC.
C4
Price?
I think MAP is $199.
C4
Failure2Stop
01-27-17, 15:00
They're rolling out.
The supply is not yet exhausted, by a pretty safe margin.
Are they offering a LPK for sale as well?
Since there are a couple of parts that are proprietary, other kits wouldn't work.
Kind of kicking myself since I just bought a noveske
Are they offering a LPK for sale as well?
Since there are a couple of parts that are proprietary, other kits wouldn't work.
Kind of kicking myself since I just bought a noveske
Whats proprietary on the Non ambi stripped lower?
Whats proprietary on the Non ambi stripped lower?
Guess I should've read through the whole thread, I thought these were the ambi SR lowers
So besides the counter-sunk takedown pin holes, did anything else change between the first run and subsequent runs of these lowers?
The counter-sinking is cool, but I'm concerned about uniformity in the event I end up with some of the later run lowers.
Call me silly or anal, but I try to keep lowers very similar in the way they're set up, for uniformity.
So besides the counter-sunk takedown pin holes, did anything else change between the first run and subsequent runs of these lowers?
The counter-sinking is cool, but I'm concerned about uniformity in the event I end up with some of the later run lowers.
Call me silly or anal, but I try to keep lowers very similar in the way they're set up, for uniformity.
Only the countersunk pins is the difference between the KAC first run lower and any other mil-spec lower, and the difference doesn't matter as it'll take standard pins...
I'd like a first run lower, as they'll be more collectible.
I would not consider those to be a gimmick. They actually serve toward manipulation of the weapon.
Other than the initial out of the box function test, Ive never used the ambi bolt release or mag release on my SR15. The BAD lever I installed afterwards is the most used, "gimick" on that gun.
contax_shooter
01-28-17, 10:23
I'd rather have a bolt hold open on that side over a release.
lahunter57
01-28-17, 11:30
Other than the initial out of the box function test, Ive never used the ambi bolt release or mag release on my SR15. The BAD lever I installed afterwards is the most used, "gimick" on that gun.
I think it's a safe bet to say that your use of the controls does not extend to the entire population of those who own SR-15's. I don't own any ambi lowers fwiw. The most important ambi controls to me are the safety and charging handle.
In conclusion, can we at least agree that a plastic screw serves no purpose??
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Only the countersunk pins is the difference between the KAC first run lower and any other mil-spec lower, and the difference doesn't matter as it'll take standard pins...
I'd like a first run lower, as they'll be more collectible.
I seriously doubt that the countersunk lowers will command any premium.
I seriously doubt that the countersunk lowers will command any premium.
Wait and see.
Have any of these made it into the wild?
Bolt carrier isn't supposed to be getting theirs till today or tomorrow so I don't think anyone that ordered from them will have them before later this week.
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Bolt carrier isn't supposed to be getting theirs till today or tomorrow so I don't think anyone that ordered from them will have them before later this week.
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This. Dealers are still waiting to receive them from KAC. Considering that SHOT was just a week and a half ago, color me impressed if they are received and shipped back out this week. That's gotta be some kind of record for KAC.
The wait will be worth it to those that ordered. I hope Grant will get his order in soon. I can't think of a more desirable lower for the money.
Wait and see.
I've been doing the KAC thing for a lot of years. And I just don't see it for something as simple as an overbored takedown pin hole. IF someone held onto one long enough, they'd have to answer questions about why it is different and some buyers might even perceive it as a blemish.
Now, if you're talking about a Vero Beach lower, Christmas Cheer parts or a dimpled Mod1 Carbine, I could see those truly rare items bringing a premium. Hell, I own what might be the first SR15 E3 lower ever sold commercially and I doubt it would bring a premium over a current production model.
My 11.5 Christmas Cheer gun
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170130/315366fde193abb00a1bd9d36d021664.jpg
Can we all at least agree that the counter sink is a nice touch albeit not a necessity?
Can we all at least agree that the counter sink is a nice touch albeit not a necessity?
I'll wait until I see it in person. [emoji6]
I got notice today that mine should be shipping tomorrow. Also he said that he should have a few extras, so keep checking his website.
I got notice today that mine should be shipping tomorrow. Also he said that he should have a few extras, so keep checking his website.
Please post a pic and short review when you get a chance.
MeanCarbine
01-30-17, 19:45
Only the countersunk pins is the difference between the KAC first run lower and any other mil-spec lower, and the difference doesn't matter as it'll take standard pins...
I'd like a first run lower, as they'll be more collectible.
What if a few thousand were produced, not a few hundred?
What if a few thousand were produced, not a few hundred?
The last thing that Jack mentioned, indicated that the initial orders were shipping out and there were plenty left.
Digital_Damage
01-31-17, 10:31
A bunch dropped at boltcarrier.com
CharlieMike
01-31-17, 11:07
*delete*
Please post a pic and short review when you get a chance.
I will post some pics as soon as mine arrives.
Ordered one. First part of my MK18 build.
Here are some detailed pics of the ones I got in -- it says SR-15 on the opposite site so no-go in California. The one that I've looked at has the counterbored pivot/takedown pin locations. I can't speak for the other ones that are boxed up.
https://www.boltcarrier.com/images/stripped-lower-product-photos-000.jpeg
https://www.boltcarrier.com/images/stripped-lower-product-photos-001.jpeg
Thanks Ayan!
Mr. Goodtimes
01-31-17, 20:24
Only thing I don't like about these is that I can't buy other KAC parts individually. I would never mix KAC parts with lesser quality... impure parts.
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Failure2Stop
01-31-17, 22:12
Only thing I don't like about these is that I can't buy other KAC parts individually. I would never mix KAC parts with lesser quality... impure parts.
I would use this to finish the lower out:
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=SPK99796
the_1iviper
01-31-17, 22:39
I would use this to finish the lower out:
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=SPK99796
good call , i have a colt spk99796 kit sitting here waiting for my lower from boltcarrier.com
I would use this to finish the lower out:
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=SPK99796
Unfortunately they're OOS.
Unfortunately they're OOS.
The Sionics, BCM or Sons of Liberty Gun Works lower parts kits should be equivalent quality.
The Sionics, BCM or Sons of Liberty Gun Works lower parts kits should be equivalent quality.
No clue on the SOLGW, but the BCMs seem to be OOS everywhere too & the Sionics show a 1-2 week lead time.
...to quote our beloved Sweet Brown, "Ain't nobody got time for dat". [emoji6]
No clue on the SOLGW, but the BCMs seem to be OOS everywhere too & the Sionics show a 1-2 week lead time.
...to quote our beloved Sweet Brown, "Ain't nobody got time for dat". [emoji6]
From what I understand, they are all sourced from the same OEM manufacturer.
I pulled the trigger and ordered one yesterday from the batch(es) Ayan is getting in.
As of right now, I have no plans to finish it until I get my AR10 complete.
Considering their non LE priced complete ambi lowers are what 850$? 150 isn't outrageous given their relative pricing structure.
Honestly it's not a bad idea as it expands their brand availability to those who would otherwise not be willing to pony up the cash for a complete SR. Folks will still run PSA or delton uppers on them but that's not the point I'm trying to make.
I'll add this. Many of us probably waste well over $150 a year on fast food, small dollar products we wanted to try and probably use once and discard, excess grocery shopping that yields thrown away expired food eventually, etc...
Although I also think $150 is steep considering these will not incorporate any of KAC's ambi-controls, which is part of what made their product appeal to me more so than others, I still bought one. Considering I would pay $80-$100 for a quality lower outside of KAC, I think the additional $80-$100 is not THAT big of deal, especially when in comparison to what you will end up investing in a complete rifle using quality components. I feel my $150 will yield more enjoyment from this lower than the wasteful spending I could have done with that money. I will bring my lunch a few months and pass on some small items to make up for the extra cost of this lower.
All that said, this lower will still go through KAC, have have to meet their standards/requirements. I will feel much better eventually assembling this lower than an Anderson that cost $40-$50 and potentially have to clean excess anodizing out of holes with, or have holes missing altogether, plus I won't have to look at that stupid looking horse rollmark. Lastly, I am sure these will hold a pretty descent, if not excellent resale value. So, if you regret your purchase, and I am sure you can dump it in the EE here or other sites and recoup most, if not all of your investment.
Overall, I am happy that KAC finally decided to do some stripped lowers. I see nothing wrong with more market options in components, especially when they are from a well known, quality manufacturer.
I really dont understand the sentiment that these are over priced or even expensive.
Sionics show a 1-2 week lead time.
...to quote our beloved Sweet Brown, "Ain't nobody got time for dat". [emoji6]
They always show that. It's often much faster.
As far as price, I'm not sure why we're even talking about it. Noveske gen 1 lowers have been $175 for years. This should not have been a shock to anyone. KAC is not competing with aero/Anderson and shouldn't be trying to.
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I really dont understand the sentiment that these are over priced or even expensive.
You must not be familiar with the American consumers motto. "Buy'em cheap and stack'em deep!"
To the average shooter, all lowers are identical and the same quality.
C4
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They always show that. It's often much faster.
As far as price, I'm not sure why we're even talking about it. Noveske gen 1 lowers have been $175 for years. This should not have been a shock to anyone. KAC is not competing with aero/Anderson and shouldn't be trying to.
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Good point. I would also rather have a KAC receiver than Noveske given my poor experience with the quality of my Noveske Gen 1 lower and the other problems I have seen online with them.
You must not be familiar with the American consumers motto. "Buy'em cheap and stack'em deep!"
To the average shooter, all lowers are identical and the same quality.
C4
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I guess not. Id rather have 1 good lower than 3 cheap ones, and i subscribe to the "get what you pay for" school of thought. But most of my lowers will get form1s, im not gonna worry about 50 bucks when im going to be sending 200 to the tax man anyway.
3ACR_Scout
02-01-17, 11:21
Good point. I would also rather have a KAC receiver than Noveske given my poor experience with the quality of my Noveske Gen 1 lower and the other problems I have seen online with them.
I had been planning for a while to get a Noveske Gen 1 stripped lower to add to the Gen 2 I've been building. I decided to order the KAC lower last night instead. I already have a Colt parts kit in the stash that's ready to go. I haven't been much of a builder up to this point, but I've enjoyed the experience of working on the Noveske Gen 2 (a bit of an expensive one for my first build). I can't afford to take the plunge for a complete SR-15, so I appreciate this chance that KAC had offered to try one of their products. I plan to build the lower and then eventually (a few years down the road) buy a KAC upper to go with it.
You must not be familiar with the American consumers motto. "Buy'em cheap and stack'em deep!"
To the average shooter, all lowers are identical and the same quality.
C4
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Yes, according to the Webstalkers, "All lowers are the same and you would be a fool to pay anymore than $40 for a quality "Milspec" lower". Seems Nature has not been doing Her job of culling the herd, damn shame. I for one am very, very, happy that KAC has allowed us to get a piece of the great equipment they offer.
Razorblade
02-01-17, 17:12
I really dont understand the sentiment that these are over priced or even expensive.
I think its just because you can get similar quality for much less...I honestly thought the whole appeal of a knights lower was the features like ambi and whatnot, and these dont even have it. So it seems like you're just paying for the roll mark
I think its just because you can get similar quality for much less...I honestly thought the whole appeal of a knights lower was the features like ambi and whatnot, and these dont even have it. So it seems like you're just paying for the roll mark
I would disagree with "similar quality" and "much less".
I get the argument that as long as the lower is in spec its gtg, but there is no way that a lower that costs half what these do can go through the same qc.
Given the forgings are about the same cost, how do you think the other companies are charging less?
It means they are either using a cheaper machining shop or cutting out some qc.
Why do you think one machine shop would charge more than another?
Why would one qc line cost more than another?
Some may choose to believe these are just charging more for the "name", but why would one name cost more than another?
The answers to these questions and their importance to the buyer are why some will choose to purchase these and why other will pass.
I think its just because you can get similar quality for much less...I honestly thought the whole appeal of a knights lower was the features like ambi and whatnot, and these dont even have it. So it seems like you're just paying for the roll mark
Nice first post...
rapomstage3
02-01-17, 19:10
Nice first post...
Perfect haha!!
rapomstage3
02-01-17, 19:12
Don't tell anyone but...I would've paid more. I don't give a shit what anyone thinks.
It's surprising that we got stripped KAC lowers (even if it's non ambi) before stripped BCM or DD. You would think the market has slowed enough for everyone to make this offering.
gamewarden
02-01-17, 22:36
Mine arrives at my FFL on Monday!
Mine arrives at my FFL on Monday!
Just out of curiosity, where did you order from?
gamewarden
02-02-17, 06:54
I ordered direct from Knights.
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It's surprising that we got stripped KAC lowers (even if it's non ambi) before stripped BCM or DD. You would think the market has slowed enough for everyone to make this offering.
Nope. BCM is way behind on shipping guns out.
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MeanCarbine
02-02-17, 14:08
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CharlieMike
02-02-17, 16:06
*delete*
I'm glad the prices are what they are, as we all know they could sell for more than what they are currently going for. I buy complete BCM lowers for all of my "builds" (typically just slap a BCM complete upper on top and call it a day). When you actually break it down, the complet BCM lower minus the stock kit and lower parts kit puts the lower receiver itself right in the $160-$200 range. That puts building a legit KAC lower with quality parts right in line with a complete BCM lower price wise.. I don't understand how that can be considered a bad thing? I just hope I can find the funds laying around before their gone!
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Has anyone seen anything about the new safety they announced?
Failure2Stop
02-02-17, 20:25
Has anyone seen anything about the new safety they announced?
Whatcha wanna know?
Whatcha wanna know?
I want you to take my money. Sooner than later but I can't find it for sale.
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Failure2Stop
02-02-17, 20:29
I want you to take my money. Sooner than later but I can't find it for sale.
Hahaha! Fair one!
We're nailing down some details right now, should be moving out the door in 90-120 days.
SeriousStudent
02-02-17, 20:32
Hahaha! Fair one!
We're nailing down some details right now, should be moving out the door in 90-120 days.
I'm feverishly hunting for a "Like" button.......
Works for me :)
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Whatcha wanna know?
I know nothing, so everything. Or enough to get an idea.
gamewarden
02-03-17, 15:05
Picked mine up today and installed trigger guard.
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Averageman
02-03-17, 15:16
I want, when and where can I find one available?
That's the hotness right there
Does it come with the KAC trigger guard?
gamewarden
02-03-17, 16:46
That's the hotness right there
Does it come with the KAC trigger guard?
No, I ordered it at the same time.
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Failure2Stop
02-03-17, 17:19
I want, when and where can I find one available?
Available through KAC dealers.
Next shipment going out shortly.
Whatcha wanna know?
I have not heard of this new safety and didnt see it on the site, is there a place I can see it?
I would definitely be interested in a KAC safety for the lower I bought.
https://www.facebook.com/Knightsarmament/posts/1522030061155590:0
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SeriousStudent
02-03-17, 22:22
I pre-ordered a lower today.
It shall become a righteous carbine.
I pre-ordered a lower today.
It shall become a righteous carbine.
You'll love it. I got mine today (no pic because lazy). It isn't a Vero Beach but it is clean and crisp. Nicer than my OG 6920 and my LMT. I was gonna try for mid '00s retro but I think I'll do something more updated yet peculiar to me so as not to be confused for a catalogue rifle.
Getting my 2nd one later. Only doing two.
I think one will be a general carbine....maybe even 14.5 w/ pinned MAMS (despite my disdain for 14.5) and maybe someing quasi LPRish.
Anyone comparing these to Anderson is on crack. The anodizing is perfect and it looks great. I did my own SR-25 and now I'm doing my own SR-15.
I mean for the first time in a while I felt good about buying a lower. I'm a KAC-phile. What can I say?
It came in that pretty black schema box with the logo.
Few people will ever know the joy of having something you really want from people who actually care.
Pardon my fetishism but LMT is the tall and poised, Jesse Spano, Colt is the all American Kelly Kapowski, but KAC...
KAC is 1982 Phoebe Cates with big jet black hair, wearing Zeiss aviators and a red sweater pulling up in a steel grey 71 Mach One Fastback playing Journey
"Hey you.....get in." she says. With a smile both innocent and sinful.
I know a lot of KAC people read this thread but FWIW your products have helped fill some holes in this old heart.
SeriousStudent
02-03-17, 23:26
I ordered mine because: Why the hell not?
I've got stuff from Colt, Noveske, BCM, Sionics, LMT, Charles Daly, and probably a few more names stashed in one of the safes that I have forgotten about.
So why not build a sweet KAC carbine for my daughter or granddaughter?
I ordered mine because: Why the hell not?
I've got stuff from Colt, Noveske, BCM, Sionics, LMT, Charles Daly, and probably a few more names stashed in one of the safes that I have forgotten about.
So why not build a sweet KAC carbine for my daughter or granddaughter?
Are you willing to adopt? :cool:
My FFL called yesterday to say that mine was in but he would be out of town all weekend at a gun show... what?
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