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RobertTheTexan

02-07-17, 23:16

I just got my new Battle Arms ambidextrous safety selector and when I took it out of the package I noticed a little nub (nipple) sticking out of the shaft. I cannot get it my lower without hammering it if the . It's a new Noveske lower. I'm not hammering anything. Has anyone seen this before? I mean there's no getting it into my lower without violence.

Thank you for any help you can provide.

RTT

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dmd08

02-07-17, 23:20

I think that's to keep it from being installed in lowers not made for 45 degree safeties. You have to grind it off, thereby taking responsibility for using in a lower it wasnt intended for. I think thats the idea behind it at least.

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lahunter57

02-07-17, 23:20

That's the "lawyer" pin. It keeps people from putting a short throw safety in a lower that has the 90 degree safety markings.

I'm almost positive the pin is held in with some light adhesive and that it can be removed by putting the safety barrel in a vice and pulling on the pin with a pair of vice grips.

Im sure someone else will chime in soon on another removal technique.

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556BlackRifle

02-08-17, 02:21

Yup, it's the lawyer pin as lahunter57 said. Took mine off with a file.

There is one more thing to watch out for. Some Geissele triggers may not work well with the dual core selector.

sva01

02-08-17, 05:34

You bought the short throw selector. That pin is there to keep it from being installed in lowers that aren't designed for them. Many have filed that off and successfully installed it in a standard lower.
The standard (non-short throw) selector does not have that pin.

R0CKETMAN

02-08-17, 06:03

Dremel

Ryno12

02-08-17, 06:04

It's right there in the description on BAD's website too.

http://www.battlearmsdevelopment.com/bad-ass-st-short-throw-ambi-safety-selector-ar15-ar10r

BAD-ASS-ST Short Throw Safety Selector will not fit in "standard" AR-style lower receivers designed for 0°-90° throw safety selectors. A relief cut on the left side of the receiver safety selector hole is required to allow the safety pin block device on the BAD-ASS-ST center to pass through. The safety pin block is there for your safety so it cannot be installed on a "standard" AR and allow the safety selector lever to point ambigously between SAFE and FIRE. "Short-Throw" compatible lower receivers with safety pin relief cut and 45° to 90° FIRE marking (such as the BAD-15 Forged Lower and BAD556-LW Lower Receivers) are required for proper installation. Any modification to the safety selector will render the warranty null and void.

Renegade04

02-08-17, 06:09

It's right there in the description on BAD's website too.

http://www.battlearmsdevelopment.com/bad-ass-st-short-throw-ambi-safety-selector-ar15-ar10r

I was just going to post that myself. Thanks for doing this. People NEED to read. It would avoid any confusion and heartache.

jackblack73

02-08-17, 08:28

It's right there in the description on BAD's website too.

http://www.battlearmsdevelopment.com/bad-ass-st-short-throw-ambi-safety-selector-ar15-ar10r

This was also posted in the OP's other thread about safeties, but I guess he didn't catch it.

RobertTheTexan

02-08-17, 08:46

Ahhh ok... Thanks guys...I didn't catch that part on their web site. But I knew it was there intentionally and NOW I understand what they guys in my other thread were talking about when they said it was "worth it in spite of the filing." DUH!!!
That's what I get for working on my AR after a 15 hour day.
DINGBAT ALERT!!

Mucho Gracias good sirs

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RobertTheTexan

02-08-17, 08:51

This was also posted in the OP's other thread about safeties, but I guess he didn't catch it.

No sir the OP regrets to inform you he had a DA moment. I would say I had a blond moment. But all my blond hair is either gray or MIA.
Maybe it was an AARP moment... I have been getting a lot of their flipping brochures lately.

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Ryno12

02-08-17, 09:00

Maybe it was an AARP moment... I have been getting a lot of their flipping brochures lately.

Oh, oh... Few more years & they'll be stuffing my mailbox too. [emoji17]

RobertTheTexan

02-08-17, 09:05

Oh, oh... Few more years & they'll be stuffing my mailbox too. [emoji17]

They are relentless... It's a serious PSYOPS campaign bro. Just steel yourself. I group some of their crap together and throw it all in an envelope with some coupons for Ensure and I mail it back to them bulk mail. It seems that the amount of AARP literature has slacked off. Maybe it's working.

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556BlackRifle

02-08-17, 10:01

They are relentless... It's a serious PSYOPS campaign bro. Just steel yourself. I group some of their crap together and throw it all in an envelope with some coupons for Ensure and I mail it back to them bulk mail. It seems that the amount of AARP literature has slacked off. Maybe it's working.

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AARP is a POS anti-gun liberal organization. AMAC supports the 2nd Amendment. https://amac.us/

RobertTheTexan

02-08-17, 11:46

AARP is a POS anti-gun liberal organization. AMAC supports the 2nd Amendment. https://amac.us/

I guarantee you that our salty old codgers down in Texas are packing heat bro.

I'll join an OCA (Old Codgers Association) the day they prior my cold gnarled liver-spotted hands from my favorite ol' SBR. Lol

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althor

02-08-17, 11:51

If you want to remove the pin for installation in a non-short throw receiver, I suggest grabbing it with a pair of vice grips and pulling it out rather than grinding it off. Mine came right out.

Duffy

02-08-17, 12:12

The "lawyer pin" is pressed into the selector center. The original ST selector was 45 degree throw, the selector's pointer pointed at somewhere between FIRE and SAFE, it can be either or neither, this would be hard to argue in a court of law. In a society where a ladder manufacturer gets sued because a METAL label with stamped warnings is hard to read because the label was bleached by the sun, and worn out by use, 20 years after the ladder was produced, we wanted to be have a leg to stand on if someone sued us over a confusing marking.

The pin is designed so the short throw selector only fits a receiver with properly marked short throw compatible FIRE markings. When the marking is at 80 degree, it's suitable for both 45 and 90 degree selectors. Removing the pin isn't hard, and it's not made impossibly difficult to remove, it doesn't have to be. It's a deterrent. This was done at a time when BAD didn't make any receivers, and this wasn't a means to make it proprietary. We freely supplied the specs for the selector hole notch (necessary to allow the pin to go through) to anyone that asked them.

Since the introduction of the ST selector, many other makers have produced their own versions sans any such precautions. I guess if it's ok to replace SAFE and FIRE with zombie or pirate themed words that don't even hint at SAFE or FIRE, we still chose to err on the side of caution, we don't know if such law suit existed, but sure as hell can't predict that there won't be one over silly and confusing safety indicator markings.

RobertTheTexan

02-08-17, 12:38

Pin? What pin?? Did somebody say nipple??

You guys are hilarious. Talking about pins and nipples and reading directions....GAK!

(Thanks to all who helped in spite of my FTF.)

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RobertTheTexan

02-08-17, 13:39

The
Removing the pin isn't hard, and it's not made impossibly difficult to remove, it doesn't have to be. It's a deterrent.

As the guys pointed out it wasn't difficult to make it work, and it's difficult to even see where it was. What I will say in the short 30 minutes I've had it in my lap clicking it on and off is that I have finally found what I was looking for (U2). I've tried the others as I stated before and they are very well made, but this is what Doctor AR ordered. Rotation is solid, positive clicks. Excellent purchase with either thumb even when firing from my other strong side. This is now part of my standard build parts. Welcome to the family!
But seriously, you guys did an outstanding job. Whoever was involved in the dev, beta and field trials...Well done!

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556BlackRifle

02-09-17, 00:45

As the guys pointed out it wasn't difficult to make it work, and it's difficult to even see where it was. What I will say in the short 30 minutes I've had it in my lap clicking it on and off is that I have finally found what I was looking for (U2). I've tried the others as I stated before and they are very well made, but this is what Doctor AR ordered. Rotation is solid, positive clicks. Excellent purchase with either thumb even when firing from my other strong side. This is now part of my standard build parts. Welcome to the family!
But seriously, you guys did an outstanding job. Whoever was involved in the dev, beta and field trials...Well done!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170208/9f891892231e674ffc9718e5da4fb487.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170208/f78c6de03e1a630b574f75cca4a514e4.jpg

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Kinda off topic but, how you liking that ratcheting castle nut? Is it pretty solid?

RobertTheTexan

02-09-17, 14:58

Kinda off topic but, how you liking that ratcheting castle nut? Is it pretty solid?

Hey 556,

I don't mind answering.

BLUF: I like them. I have them on two AR's screwed onto A5 RE tubes. They are simple to install - just like any other mil spec castle nut., sans the clicking sounds that mil spec nuts don't make. It's the sound of the castle nut passing or clicking through the detent that provides the anti-walk or anti-rotation capability. They look very well made, the machining and finish on mine were flawless.
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I had one on my 14.5, which was my favorite shooter until my last build. Kind of fell in love with it while I was building it, so I actually pulled it off my 14.5 and installed it on my 11.5. This is one advantage I guess, there was no staking to 'break loose'. It came off as easy as it went on. The other is on my 12" LPV, another special build of mine. I've had them about 18 months and they seem durable. It does come with a nice RE end plate with a QD socket if you like to use that as a sling point. I do so that's convenient. (Never figured out why Vltor doesn't include a QD RE place with the A5...)

I probably answered way more than you asked. Sorry.

Here are two more threads about the PWS. One thread I kinda repeat what I just said, but you asked here and I thought I'd answer here. :)

- The Ratcheting Castle Nut (Started by Senior - Slater) (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?192915-The-ratcheting-castle-nut)

This thread also discusses the RE tube, but also there is some discussion on the ratcheting castle nut.

- PWS Enhanced Buffer Tube. Any Thoughts? (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?177939-PWS-Enhanced-buffer-tube-Any-thoughts)(Started by Senior - Brahmzy)

Ping me if you have more questions friend. Here's a couple of pics of my set up. This is on a Magpul AR-10/SR-25 Enhanced 10 position tube. Just for reference

Here are a couple of pics of it on my 11.5:

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=0B3_szFRHlzPWbWR3Y2xweVFKYVk

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=0B3_szFRHlzPWbGo5eHVYOVFjRkU

titsonritz

02-09-17, 15:46

556BlackRifle

02-09-17, 16:09

Hey 556,

I don't mind answering.

BLUF: I like them. I have them on two AR's screwed onto A5 RE tubes. They are simple to install - just like any other mil spec castle nut., sans the clicking sounds that mil spec nuts don't make. It's the sound of the castle nut passing or clicking through the detent that provides the anti-walk or anti-rotation capability. They look very well made, the machining and finish on mine were flawless.
www
I had one on my 14.5, which was my favorite shooter until my last build. Kind of fell in love with it while I was building it, so I actually pulled it off my 14.5 and installed it on my 11.5. This is one advantage I guess, there was no staking to 'break loose'. It came off as easy as it went on. The other is on my 12" LPV, another special build of mine. I've had them about 18 months and they seem durable. It does come with a nice RE end plate with a QD socket if you like to use that as a sling point. I do so that's convenient. (Never figured out why Vltor doesn't include a QD RE place with the A5...)

I probably answered way more than you asked. Sorry.

Here are two more threads about the PWS. One thread I kinda repeat what I just said, but you asked here and I thought I'd answer here. :)

- The Ratcheting Castle Nut (Started by Senior - Slater) (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?192915-The-ratcheting-castle-nut)

This thread also discusses the RE tube, but also there is some discussion on the ratcheting castle nut.

- PWS Enhanced Buffer Tube. Any Thoughts? (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?177939-PWS-Enhanced-buffer-tube-Any-thoughts)(Started by Senior - Brahmzy)

Ping me if you have more questions friend. Here's a couple of pics of my set up. This is on a Magpul AR-10/SR-25 Enhanced 10 position tube. Just for reference

Here are a couple of pics of it on my 11.5:

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=0B3_szFRHlzPWbWR3Y2xweVFKYVk

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=0B3_szFRHlzPWbGo5eHVYOVFjRkU

RTT, thanks for "all" the details. :) I might just have to try one on a future build.