View Full Version : Project: Break my SIG 320 Compact! UPDATE: FAILURES TO EXTRACT!
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-19-17, 15:16
Hey guys,
As some of you know, I have been shooting my SIG 320 Compact for the past month or so. I have enjoyed it so much I am going to make it into one of my "break my" threads. And this time, I vow to shoot this gun to destruction!!! I will shoot it average 500 rounds per week in two sessions. It will primarily be dog crap steel or Blazer brass ammo.
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At this point I have owned it for one month. I have fired 1076 rounds at this point. I have fired (mainly) Blazer brass and Monarch steel. I have also fired Blazer Aluminum, Monarch Brass, Winchester White Box, 147grain HST and 124 grain Gold Dot +P.
Here are the things I have noticed so far...
1. The trigger is very good. It is basically a smooth Glock trigger minus the trigger "safety." The trigger is what everybody wants now days. Light, short, clicky reset, and pretty smooth. When it was new it had a secondary click at the end of the trigger stroke but it went away in the first 200 rounds.
2. The grip is great. And I love, love, love the placement of the slide release levers and the protective shelf. HK and Walther, if you haven't looked at the M&P, at least look at this. This basically puts it ahead of my previous favorite compact 9mm the HK P2000. Occasionally when doing 6/6/6 drills or any drill with super fast reloads you are in danger of accidentally holding the slide levers down on those designs-and even the Glock. This is ultimately a user issue, but the 320 and M&P do a good job of idiot proofing.
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3. The mags appear to be very well put together.Also, I am only going to be using two magazines. I have marked them with a paint pen. I drop my mags on clay, dirt and occasionally concrete so this should be a pretty good test of their durability.
4. The parts quality looks very high. I guess Indian QC is pretty good these days.
5. Reassembly can easily become drama. I took mine apart to poke around and when I reassembled the gun I didn't hold my butt cheeks right or something. and when it came back together the trigger didn't work. Apparently the takedown lever was in the wrong position. No biggie, but odd. I have had this pop up a few times.
6. The size of the package is reasonable. A big chunkier than the G19, but it has a better feature set.
7. Accuracy is reasonable. I have been shooting a lot of DA so I am having to readjust.
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Honestly, I shoot my Beretta better, but I am pretty good with the 320. With the 320 my Bills are nearly as good as with my Beretta 92---but I am more accurate during El Prez drills with the Beretta. My El Prez setup is A zone steel only. If you miss, there is just no ding. With the B92 I can drive the gun much faster without risk of a miss. Then again, I have a lot more time on the B92, and I am having to readjust my grip for the different trigger style. The 320 has very good recoil characteristics. However, it is easier to track the front sight on the B92 during Bills and El Prez. However, over 5 shot averaged groups the difference in split times is only .012 in favor of the B92 so you aren't talking about much (over an average of 6 bill drill's each the B92 won by .012 also which was wild) . The splits are more uneven in the 320--with some being a good deal faster than the others compared to the Beretta's nearly perfect cadence.
8. At first the slide release was VERY tight. This slowed me down on reloads vs the B92. But it has loosed up and this is no longer an issue.
9. I have attempted to limp wrist the 320 into a malfunction. I can't do it so far, even with very light loaded Blazer brass. I can do this fairly easily with the world standard G19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAuHst-j6eI. Of course, this is just one small test, but so far so good. And the B92 easily passes this test as well.
I have also fired several hundred rounds with a Surefire X200 attached to confirm it was solid. It is. When the Surefire XC2 becomes available I will add it. Right now it rides in a standard Raven Concealment OWB holster.
One question though, do you guys think I should ...
(A) Not clean it at all. At this point I am over 800 rounds since I have cleaned it. I do spray rem oil in the action every 250 rounds.
(B) Clean it after every 250 rounds (which is one range session).
(C) Clean it after a fixed number of rounds (250, 500, 1000, etc)?
What say you?
Clean it every 1000 rds
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Hey guys,
As some of you know, I have been shooting my SIG 320 Compact for the past month or so. I have enjoyed it so much I am going to make it into one of my "break my" threads. And this time, I vow to shoot this gun to destruction!!! I will shoot it minimum 500 rounds per week. It will primarily be dog crap steel or Blazer brass ammo.
One question though, do you guys think I should ...
(A) Not clean it at all. At this point I am over 800 rounds since I have cleaned it. I do spray rem oil in the action every 250 rounds.
(B) Clean it after every 250 rounds (which is one range session).
(C) Clean it after a fixed number of rounds (250, 500, 1000, etc)?
What say you?
Throw it threw the ringer. Clean it every 1500 rounds.
MSparks909
02-19-17, 16:35
Any reason you like using some of the crappiest gun lube on the market? Rem Oil is as about as crappy as you can find. Use some good lube and just don't clean it..ever. I took one of my G17s to 5,000 without cleaning a few years ago. Used Lucas Gun soil every 1,000 rounds. No problems
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I agree with the 1500rnd or so. Keep in mind that the 320's like to be ran a little wetter than most polymer pistols, I've got over 5K thru one of mine with only one stoppage.
MSparks909
02-19-17, 16:47
Do the 2,000 round challenge with the P320. That's no additional lubrication or cleaning until all 2,000 rounds are fired. Once the challenge is complete, add a few drops of lube (don't clean) and keep shooting. Lube every 1,000 until you get to 5,000. Or 10,000. Again, I highly recommend quality gun lubricant. Rem Oil evaporates/dried up in like 100-200 rounds in my experience.
Agreed on many points with above post.
2000rd challenge
Rem oil will work if you keep adding. If not, get something less volatile, like slip2k.
1000 rounds. Unless you are purely abusing it.
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556BlackRifle
02-19-17, 19:08
Why not make this interesting. Start with 2,500 between cleanings. If you need to you can always adjust it downward to 2,000. 1,500 or 1,000.
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-19-17, 19:17
I think I am going to go with 1000 rounds (approx every 2-3 weeks). I am going for hardish, but not extreme use. But I'll keep thinking about it
I don't care about lubes. I typically use Rem-oil because it comes in aerosol form and Is good at cleaning out nooks and crannies without breaking out the compressor. Sometimes I drop some Hoppes or wilsons ultimate lube that came in a cleaning kit/got free on the rails if I am feeling super energetic. Honestly, I have never noticed any difference in function even when shooting my full auto and supressed stuff. But I am in a mild climate. On the other hand, lube agnosticism has allowed me to avoid the "gotta have" lubes that always turn out to be vagisil or cockroach sperm or whatever.
KentuckyWindage
02-19-17, 19:21
Subscribed!
I don't care for the smell of Rem oil. I personally like Tri Flow....have for decades. I find it at the hardware stores.
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The Dumb Gun Collector
02-19-17, 20:17
Ballistol--worst gun oil funk ever
K-Y
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MSparks909
02-19-17, 20:42
Clean and thoroughly lubricate the gun and then give the 2,000 round challenge a try. I'm putting my P30 through it right now. Will be at 500 rounds tomorrow. Should be done 2,000 in the next 2-3 weeks. Any modern polymer framed semi-auto from a popular and reputable manufacturer *should* have no trouble passing the challenge. It's a good indicator of how much your gun can really take and still function fine.
Metal framed handguns are more lubrication sensitive..though with a judicious coating of grease on the frame rails they tend to do okay (Sig P series, Beretta 92/6, CZ and 1911).
Excited to see how yours shakes out. I would say like evey 500 rounds. Decent time between but gives the gun a fair shake. I know all the rage is to go thousands before cleaning but I feel like that can put a strain on stuff, that under normal circumstances would not be a issue. Just my humble opinion. I also dislike rem oil but you get to shoot a hell of a lot more then me. So I feel like you would know if its gtg, lovely part about us having so many options!
Ballistol--worst gun oil funk ever
Ain't that the truth, good stuff but stinks like ass. I made the mistake of flushing out my handcuffs with this stuff and it stunk for two days. I was hoping my co-workers didn't think it was BO.
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-19-17, 23:37
Excited to see how yours shakes out. I would say like evey 500 rounds. Decent time between but gives the gun a fair shake.
I tend to agree with this. I have run several guns (P2000, HK45, etc) way past 2k without cleaning and it really isn't anything special. All you are really doing is exposing the gun to premature wear from grit and grinding.
People still clean guns?
But, looking forward to updates, thanks for sharing.
I'd rather have a great pistol I clean every 500 rounds than one that shoots sloppy all the time. It's unrealistic bullshit. If a gun can fire all the ammo in your emergncy approach march load before needing a field cleaning it's gtg.
I clean my P320 every 500 rounds. What's the point in doing so at 1000, 1500, 2000 etc., etc.? A test to determine how lazy you can be? There's no practical reason to do so, including combat.
Coal Dragger
02-20-17, 04:51
I think I am going to go with 1000 rounds (approx every 2-3 weeks). I am going for hardish, but not extreme use. But I'll keep thinking about it
I don't care about lubes. I typically use Rem-oil because it comes in aerosol form and Is good at cleaning out nooks and crannies without breaking out the compressor. Sometimes I drop some Hoppes or wilsons ultimate lube that came in a cleaning kit/got free on the rails if I am feeling super energetic. Honestly, I have never noticed any difference in function even when shooting my full auto and supressed stuff. But I am in a mild climate. On the other hand, lube agnosticism has allowed me to avoid the "gotta have" lubes that always turn out to be vagisil or cockroach sperm or whatever.
Why not run a good quality grease? SIG actually recommends grease for some of their pistols, and I know Bruce Gray's shop recommends grease. I've run the supplied SIG grease on my P226X5 and the wife's P320. Seems to work well, doesn't have a lot of odor, and it stays put. Think of it as an additional experiment deviating from using oil as lube and instead running grease.
Otherwise I usually just lube with some sort of CLP since most of them don't sling off the weapon or dry out like Rem-Oil does in my experience.
Please read Greg's first post. He is trying to break this gun. He is not trying to baby it. It sounds like he is using "lube" only to keep the gun running, not trying to use the best lube, just any slick liquid. He is also not trying to use the best ammo, only ammo that he gets his sticky little hands on, russian, junks, etc. By the way, I have no idea if he's got little hands, only using those terms as metaphor (I think that's the right word, I didn't go to law school).
So please stop giving him tips on the best oil/lube/ammo. He is trying to break this gun.
As for lube, I suggest he use crisco !
MSparks909
02-20-17, 12:35
Ok well not trying to crap on his parade but cleaning a gun every 500-1000 is hardly abusive. I'd consider that quite normal. Hell I shot 1,000 through my new CQB-E 9mm in a week. Stripped it down and the frame rails had barely any finish removed. And that's on a pretty tight 1911. I usually run all of my handguns to ~1500-2K without cleaning and none is worse for wear. Add lube every 500 or so. Cleaning every 1K will be a cakewalk for this gun. If he's truly "trying to break it" then why clean it at all?
But this is Greg's thread and this will be my last post on the issue. Good luck with whatever cleaning regimen you choose. I'll be following.
Please read Greg's first post. He is trying to break this gun. He is not trying to baby it. It sounds like he is using "lube" only to keep the gun running, not trying to use the best lube, just any slick liquid. He is also not trying to use the best ammo, only ammo that he gets his sticky little hands on, russian, junks, etc. By the way, I have no idea if he's got little hands, only using those terms as metaphor (I think that's the right word, I didn't go to law school).
So please stop giving him tips on the best oil/lube/ammo. He is trying to break this gun.
As for lube, I suggest he use crisco !
Is intentionally trying to break it? Or just running it til it breaks?
Is intentionally trying to break it? Or just running it til it breaks?
Like MAC with his VP9 (throwing it against stuff)?
Seriously though, it's interesting to see how Bell's P320 test will go.
Is intentionally trying to break it? Or just running it til it breaks?
Read his post. It's pretty clear what his intention is.
Read his post. It's pretty clear what his intention is.
I assumed he meant shooting it until it breaks, but not purposely breaking it. I feel there is a difference. I think this is going to be great. I miss reading TLG and his tests.
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-20-17, 18:27
Well, she had her first malfunction today. During the second magazine through the gun today I had a failure to extract.
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This was with Blazer Brass ammunition. I wasn't too worried as I had similar issues with my Wilson 92G Brig Tac with this ammunition. I fired about 3 1/2 more boxes of ammo through the gun and it didn't repeat. I bought several thousand rounds of this garbage in anticipation of a Hillary election. It is extremely light.
The gun's workout for today was....
Bill Drills (unconcealed). (Best time without miss 2.39 worst without miss 3.02)
El Prez Drills (Unconcealed). (Best time without miss 9.4/ worst without miss 10.81)
6/6/6 Drills (concealed) (Best/ worst without miss (5.39/6.33)
6/6/6 drills while moving side to side (concealed)
6/6/6 drills while moving forward and backwards (concealed)
I finished the day off shooting at steel gongs at 50/75 and 100 yards.
When I got home I took her apart to look inside....
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Everything is pretty gross. The mags are dropped in clay/dirt and grass on every drill so the base plates are starting to look a little scruffy.
I tested the trigger and it is coming in at 7.1 pounds. Originally it came in at 6.6 pounds. I am going to hose it off and see if there is any change. It might also be lazy trigger pull testing on my part.
GREAT intel. Thank you for doing this. Keep us posted!
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-20-17, 19:56
I went ahead and gave her a 1000 round cleaning....
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I gave her a good bath. I used the dreaded Rem-Oil to blast her out but I gave her a coat of Wilson's Ultima Lube (that they gave me for free a few years back) to placate the Lords of Lube.
One thing that is flat-out FANTASTIC about the Sig 320 is the ease of disassembly. You can get the whole thing apart down to the components you need to clean with no drama. Once you have the module and striker assembly out you just blast it out with a compressor or aerosol and you are back in business.
After cleaning the trigger was 6.9. Again, my trigger pull gauge technique probably isn't exact enough for science.
I went ahead and gave her a 1000 round cleaning....
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I gave her a good bath. I used the dreaded Rem-Oil to blast her out but I gave her a coat of Wilson's Ultima Lube (that they gave me for free a few years back) to placate the Lords of Lube.
One thing that is flat-out FANTASTIC about the Sig 320 is the ease of disassembly. You can get the whole thing apart down to the components you need to clean with no drama. Once you have the module and striker assembly out you just blast it out with a compressor or aerosol and you are back in business.
After cleaning the trigger was 6.9. Again, my trigger pull gauge technique probably isn't exact enough for science.
Happy pistol now. Amazing how good the trigger feels being that heavy. The apex shoe made it feel lighter to me. I am amazed at how easy it is to break it down, esp. considering my last two striker guns were vp9 and fns.
Next drill for you to try is the Wilson 5x5.
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-20-17, 23:31
I'll do that this weekend. I will do a comparison to my B92G-SD for fun.
Coal Dragger
02-21-17, 00:26
Nice Greg. The P320 is stupid easy to clean and get to everything. Noticed that as well with ours. I consider this to be a real design benefit, because an easy to clean gun is more likely to get cleaned.
Should see how well it does with just grease. Hi temp grease. Nothing more.
556BlackRifle
02-21-17, 10:23
In honor of Pat Rogers, I think Vagisil would be the best lube. ;)
In honor of Pat Rogers, I think Vagisil would be the best lube. ;)
God, I miss him.
In keeping with the spirit, if it locks up at the range, pee on it and see if it frees up for a bit. :cool:
RAM Engineer
02-21-17, 11:47
Greg, does this particular gun have the little "dust shield" on the trigger that sort of seals up the trigger hole in the frame?
Greg, you already opted for 1000 round protocol. Maybe this is of interest, which I just now found in a biography of John Browning. Here's how they tested his 45 in 1911:
The Ordnance Command made the following stipulations: 6000 rounds were to be fired through each pistol under consideration. Firing was to take place in series of 100, after which the arm was to be permitted to cool for five minutes before the next series commenced. After each lOOO rounds each pistol was to be cleaned and oiled. The 6000 rounds of standard ammunition were to be followed by loads systematically deformed or made abnormal--some with bullets too deeply seated, some with bullets not seated deeply enough, and some cartridges with dented cases. Finally, the entries were to be given the rust and dust test, fired a number of rounds after being rusted with acid, and again after a sprinkling of dust through the working parts.
Don't know that you want to run malformed ammo in your P320 or dunk it in water and acid, but I thought it was an intersting trial. (According to the account, Brownings guns were the only ones to make a perfect score.)
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-25-17, 13:05
I could sprinkle it with dust and shoot crap ammo--but I don't think these plastic guns are going to do so hot in an acid test. lol
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-26-17, 18:42
450 rounds today 350 rounds Monarch Steel, 50 Rounds Blazer Brass, 50 147 grain Browning (I had two boxes of this but shot 50 rounds through surpassed tacops)
* one dead primer from a round of 115 grain Monarch (steel). Primer was very deeply dented. Wish I would have thought to photograph it.
Enjoyed 450 rounds. Lots of different craziness. El Prez, Bills, 6/6/6. Lateral movement drills, transition to Carbine drills.
My steel is set up like this....
A reasonable human shaped target at 30 feet (primarily used for 6/6/6 and Bill drills...
https://youtu.be/4qJah_R43uQ
and three A zone sized steel targets at 21 feet I use for El Pres drills and some other stuff. We call these the PLATES OF TRUTH because if you blaze at them, you will miss and have to start making up an excuse fast.
https://youtu.be/vPTMjArLNVY
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Then as you can see I have a medium target at 50 yards and some chunks of steel on backstop for 100 yard shots...
https://youtu.be/c-vyBbu1br4
Ignore my form and lack of amazing speed. I am old and fat and these were basically me pushing record on my iPhone to get something on tape.
Anyway, the 320 is running great and I am still enjoying it quite a bit.
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I'm cheap, but think it's also a good choice. I use left over 5W-30 Mobile 1 from my car oil changes. There's enough in just one "throw away bottle" to lube for a LONG time.
Synthetic.
Anti rust and corrosion inhibitors.
PLENTIFUL anywhere. You don't even need to buy it, just find a filling station that has left over oil bottles in the trash.
I'm cheap, but think it's also a good choice. I use left over 5W-30 Mobile 1 from my car oil changes. There's enough in just one "throw away bottle" to lube for a LONG time.
Synthetic.
Anti rust and corrosion inhibitors.
PLENTIFUL anywhere. You don't even need to buy it, just find a filling station that has left over oil bottles in the trash.
I was a big fan of motor oil until I started running a suppressed SBR. It just wouldn't keep the gun running like Go Juice has.
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-28-17, 17:37
You know what runs gray on my suppressed fnx? Rem oil! :ph34r:
I was in that big gun store that we met at a couple years ago. I handled the 320 with the smallest grip insert, wow, that thing felt really good. I can't wait for you to be done with your test and sell me your gun. LOL.
You know what runs gray on my suppressed fnx? Rem oil! :ph34r:
Hey, if it works, why not. :cool:
The Dumb Gun Collector
03-05-17, 17:38
Passed the 2k mark!! Who hoo!
430 more rounds down the pipe this week. I had an additional failure to extract with Blazer Brass. Again, this has happened before with my B92 and this very lightly loaded ammo but I still noted it. It happened about 100 rounds in and I shot about 180 rounds after that with no issue. I also shot 30 rounds of 147 HST.
I didn't hit 500 this week because I couldn't resist shooting my B92G-SD and 320 Tac-ops a bit.
Did lots of drills. Some friends of mine set up doing Bill Drills and El Prez Drills. My buddy Dan brought his P30L, another guy (coincidently) brought out his P30SK. I really enjoyed the P30Sk.
I like the 320 quite a bit, but I still enjoy the B92 more. I stand by my opinion that the B92 is easier to shoot accurately at speed than just about any gun, because heavy 9mms are the bomb-diggity.
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I did a quick limp-wrist test...
https://youtu.be/S2k0kfAHDII
And here is some fun slo-mo of the Tac-ops shot suppressed....
https://youtu.be/eUFBxDquYRQ
I am going on a trip to Israel soon so I promised myself I wouldn't buy any more crap this month....BUT I managed to Get a Surefire XC1 and a holster from KT-Mech on the way before the month started.:cool:
Once the holster is in I will transition to shooting the gun with the XC1 so it will be a test of it as well.
At this point I have fired another 1000 rounds through her so I gave her a bath...nothing special but the mags were coated with fine dirt, grass and clay. My range is pretty dry so the ground is a bed of loose clay.
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Here are a few pics of wear points....
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The trigger now measures 6.8-7.2 pounds. It is difficult to get a good pull.
Another FTE? Did you mistakenly use a Glock?
The Dumb Gun Collector
03-05-17, 18:19
LOL. I would agree but this ammo is garbage. I am trying to shoot it all up. It gives all my guns fits. Once I work my way through all the 1000s of rounds I bought of Hillpocalypse we shall see. If it ever does it with White Box, Monarch or anything else I am shooting I will start to worry.
Was it a stovepipe or still in the chamber like the previous malfunction?
My test Gloxk is so tight now my main concern is only failure to feed. I have had 0 failures but I may drop extractor tension more. have not decided. While testing I sprung this gun so heavy that it would not lock back on empty mag. Still it got the brass out of the way. (Big difference then how it came out from factory.)
The Dumb Gun Collector
03-05-17, 22:39
Same. Here is the exact same mf with that ammo in my b92 a while back. At least it was cheaphttps://c1.staticflickr.com/1/85/31212880450_6bfecd1d55_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/PybaVd)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/PybaVd) by stoiclawyer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52942291@N00/), on Flickr
Just for comparison, I weight a regular 92 (not SD or Brigadier) vs. a Browning HP. The 92 is 8 oz. heavier than a HP. But shooting the same ammo through both guns, the recoil was pretty much the same.
Same. Here is the exact same mf with that ammo in my b92 a while back. At least it was cheaphttps://c1.staticflickr.com/1/85/31212880450_6bfecd1d55_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/PybaVd)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/PybaVd) by stoiclawyer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52942291@N00/), on Flickr
I just ran 300 rounds through mine yesterday.100 rounds 124 grn ball, 100 rounds 147 grn +p, 50 rounds wolf poly stuff and 50 rounds wolf military classic. Had the exact same malfunction with the wolf classic. Only time I have had a hiccup. The steel cased junk felt like it was not rolling in the mags but that was the only failure. It is defined a lighter load
The Dumb Gun Collector
03-26-17, 19:12
500 more rounds (Monarch Brass). I went on vacation so I wasn't able to do any shooting until this weekend. Oh how I missed the sweet smell of crappy eastern european ammo. Function was perfect.
I did some shooting on paper targets on Friday and smaller, less forgiving steel targets today. I noticed about ~.2 sec overall diff on Bills.
I got my KT Mech holster in for my XC1 so from here on out all my practice will be with the flashlight mounted. The holster is OK, but it is clearly going to be rougher on my finish since in pinches the slide rather than the trigger guard (which I assume can't be helped with the XC1 covering the trigger guard.
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We did a little comparison shooting with my friend against his P07. I am a huge fan of the CZs and double actions so I really dig this gun...
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We also shot some other pistols...https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2871/32857294493_a58064c92f_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/S4udVt)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/S4udVt) by stoiclawyer (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52942291@N00/), on Flickr
The 320 soldiers on. I should be back on track now that I am back from vacation.
556BlackRifle
03-26-17, 20:29
Welcome back. I hope you had a great vacation. And that's a nice group of pistols you have there. My P320 rocks on as well. Fun to shoot and about as accurate as a striker fired polymer pistol can be. Just got the sub compact frame and mag in the mail yesterday. Hope to have time to try it out later this week. :)
How does the 320 compares with the 07?
The Dumb Gun Collector
03-26-17, 23:06
They are virtually identical other than the triggers.
Thanks, good to know my ghetto blaster isn't too shabby.
That mini Surefire light looks good on that Sig, like it was made for it.
[QUOTE=Greg Bell;2472136]500 more rounds (Monarch Brass). I went on vacation so I wasn't able to do any shooting until this weekend. Oh how I missed the sweet smell of crappy eastern european ammo. Function was perfect.
I did some shooting on paper targets on Friday and smaller, less forgiving steel targets today. I noticed about ~.2 sec overall diff on Bills.
I got my KT Mech holster in for my XC1 so from here on out all my practice will be with the flashlight mounted. The holster is OK, but it is clearly going to be rougher on my finish since in pinches the slide rather than the trigger guard (which I assume can't be helped with the XC1 covering the trigger guard.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3846/33629659866_157737c273_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TeJNeQ)
Damn I have really been putting off getting a light for my 320, but that XC1 looks really good on it.
TXPO
The Dumb Gun Collector
04-09-17, 18:08
750 more rounds. I have only been shooting Monarch and some various (Rem, Win) domestic ammo through the gun in an attempt to reproduce the above MF with some other ammo. Nope.
The gun continues to function. I haven't cleaned it since the 2k mark out of laziness, not any change in philosophy.
Last week we brought out all kinds of fun guns, shot all kinds of fun guns. I think my favorite modern .45 still has to be the FN hammer guns.
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I shot it this week against my Beretta 92G-SD. Still prefer the Beretta, but the Sig is my favorite plastic gun. I can see why the army would prefer the 320, it is much easier to clean and I suspect maintain. But for my purposes, combination of light trigger, heavy weight and long sight radius makes it a perfect fighting pistol.
So far so good with the XC1. I really enjoy the trim design and thus far it has functioned perfectly. I can't wait for the laser equipped model
I got to shoot it and my Saiga Ak74. Another fascinating gun...but I still prefer my AR!
I spent a ton of time shooting rifle plates and traditioning to pistol from AR and AK platform. Did a fair amount of draw from concealment and shooting on the move. Good times!
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Glad your enjoying your P320. Mine has been great. Works great with all this stuff hanging off it too :cool:
http://imgur.com/a/KdBts44958449594496044961
The grey guns flat trigger is worth it IMO. Took the pull to just shy of 5 pounds.
Picked up a compact in FDE with night sights last week. Just made it out today for the first time. A quick 160 rounds and flawless. I liked the way the trigger felt and it really feels like a solid shooter. Took me a few mags to get a bit of accuracy going. I was consistently shooting an inch low at around 7 or so yards. I tend to cover the POA with the front sight out of habit. Right now, I don't feel it's as accurate as my 229 which I can punch a ragged hole with a measured rate of fire. That said, I'm very happy with the purchase and while I won't be matching your round count, I plan on shooting this a lot. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170411/272ee2dda376f33af465ce021fcfafc9.jpg
"...So far so good with the XC1. I really enjoy the trim design and thus far it has functioned perfectly. I can't wait for the laser equipped model."
optics planet thinks this laser frame should be out in 5 or 6 months. Anybody have any info on this?:
http://www.opticsplanet.com/sig-sol51002-lima5-laser-grip-mod-gn.html
556BlackRifle
04-15-17, 09:48
"...So far so good with the XC1. I really enjoy the trim design and thus far it has functioned perfectly. I can't wait for the laser equipped model."
optics planet thinks this laser frame should be out in 5 or 6 months. Anybody have any info on this?:
http://www.opticsplanet.com/sig-sol51002-lima5-laser-grip-mod-gn.html
No info but I think they're onto something there.
556BlackRifle
04-15-17, 10:01
Picked up a compact in FDE with night sights last week. Just made it out today for the first time. A quick 160 rounds and flawless. I liked the way the trigger felt and it really feels like a solid shooter. Took me a few mags to get a bit of accuracy going. I was consistently shooting an inch low at around 7 or so yards. I tend to cover the POA with the front sight out of habit. Right now, I don't feel it's as accurate as my 229 which I can punch a ragged hole with a measured rate of fire. That said, I'm very happy with the purchase and while I won't be matching your round count, I plan on shooting this a lot. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170411/272ee2dda376f33af465ce021fcfafc9.jpg
Congrats on your new P320C! My W-German P228 is pretty much the same as your P229 in that it shoots one ragged hole groups but my P320 isn't too far behind. I'm very pleased with the tight groups and POA to POI on my pistol is spot on.
You should see if you can find a sub compact grip module and mag. The compact slide fits and it's slightly thinner than my G26.
The Dumb Gun Collector
04-23-17, 17:31
Another grand of ammo down (OK, OK 900). No malfunctions. No cleaning. Combination of Blazer Brass and Monarch Brass.
Gun and two mags continues to run great. We ran Bill drills 6/6/6 drills (3 shots reload, shoot three more under six seconds) and some zig zag drills on two plates at 25 feet. Much fun. Afterwards I ran a bunch of transition drills with my AK74. Lordy I love gunsl. My buddy brought out his CZ again.
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The Surefire XC1 was down. I assumed I must have done something dumb but when I replaced the battery I discovered something. When you lock the cap down all the way, the light won't turn on anymore. If I back it out a bit it works fine. This is pretty rinky-dink. WAAAAY below what I expect out of Surefire given their price and reputation. Since I don't really carry this gun I am going to put off sending it back a while, but this is pretty lame.
Anyway, the SIG itself continues to run great and it doesn't seem to care about cleaning. When I do clean it I am going to use SLIP 2000 water based cleaner just to get rid of the bottle I bought.
ALSO OF NOTE. The slide release on the SIG 320 requires a firm press. It is also shielded by a small shelf. This, I believe, immunizes the SIG 320 from the slide lock issues of the Glock, VP9, etc. On the other hand, the firmness means you need to make sure your thumb press is solid.
Next month I think I am either going to order some S&B or maybe wolf steel.
Instead of breaking the gun, you broke the light. LOL.
great thread, makes me want to get a 320 to play around with.
thanks greg
Fordtough25
04-26-17, 08:39
One of my friends is a 25 year glock user and while not selling them yet he has been running a P320 for a couple months now and is impressed. Thanks for the testing we all enjoy it!
Handled all sizes and shapes of the 320C at the NRA yesterday. I'm changing my mind. Although it's a good gun, it's not going to dislodge my ghetto blaster P07 from my side. Sorry Greg, you should have sold it to me when I was hot for it. LOL.
The Dumb Gun Collector
04-29-17, 10:13
I like the 320, but I wouldn't get rid of any good gun to get it or any other plastic Glock 2.0 (vp70z 3.0?). I like to keep proficient with everything but I like DA hammer guns best these days.
dwhitehorne
04-29-17, 20:14
I carried a P07 off duty until I was issued a P320 in 2015. I really liked the CZ. The thing I have found with the 320 is it is kind of meh until you shoot it. Also I really prefer the small grip. Its not that I care for the size but I feel like I can really get the web of my hand up under the slide. Coming from carrying a P7M13 for 7 years and the P2000 for 10 years the flat sided grips of the P07 felt natural. The P320 curved grip is definately growing on me. David
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-07-17, 20:03
Welp, I passed the 5000 round round mark today. I went ahead and gave it a scrub in celebration.
1. The gun continues to have failures to extract with my enormous lot of Blazer Brass. Today was the last 150 rounds, and it had the usual malfunction. I still believe that it is solely a ammo problem since (a) I have had this malfunction in my Beretta with this lot of ammo and (b). the gun will not malfunction when I use Russian Steel, Blazer Aluminum, Fiocchi, Browning, Gold Dots, HST, etc.
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You can sort of see from the picture that the ammo has corrosion/is tarnished. It appears from the brass that two things are happening. A. the corrosion today was under the extractor claw which may have led to it failing to get a good purchase/grip on the rim. B. It seems to be very weak, and a tiny chunk of the brass is gone on both sides of the rim. I am out of this ammo and won't be shooting anymore of it through the Sig. Also, the problem has happened with both mags.
2. The XC1 didn't give me any trouble today, but I am still annoyed that I have to properly tension the battery compartment to keep it working. Bush league.
3. The inside was pretty gross, but nothing surprising.
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4. The finish is not standing up all that well in my opinion. Of course, it gets a lot of draws and not cleaning it means it has a nice coat of grit between it and the Kydex holster.
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5. I noticed the rubber seal on the take down lever is getting chewed up. Seems like a dumb place to put a seal.
Basically, my opinion remains that it is a decent Super Glock. I prefer it to my old VP9 and Glocks but I got rid of those guns so that isn't all that much praise.
I am probably going to be shooting steel ammo through it exclusively for the next 5000 rounds.
Today I came up with a new drill. Hackathorn always sort of poo-poo's weak handed drills. He always said you should probably just practice picking up the gun off the ground with your weak hand. So I basically started putting the gun on the ground with 6 rounds in the pipe and picked it up on the buzzer and fired 6 rounds at the steel at 21 feet. I call it the "Bill has fallen!" drill.
This is a great thread. I personally have never had any issues with Blazer Brass in any of my handguns. Do you feel that you simply got a bad batch or do you think that it is the load in general? Also, is the issue with 115g or 124g ammo? Why do you believe that there is no issue with the aluminum case Blazer? I ask mainly because Blazer Brass has been my go to target ammo for a long time and now you have me concerned about it.
Greg, have you run that lot of Blazer through one of your other handguns?
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556BlackRifle
05-09-17, 11:09
Greg, can you post the LN for that batch of Blazer? If you don't want to post it online, please PM me. Thanks!
OrlandoJones
05-09-17, 11:25
Ridiculous to think it is choking on a common commercially available ammo.
Of course, it is just a sample of one, but .... my Glocks have always shot anything I put in it. I think I could probably stuff musket balls into them and they would work.
TheSmiter1
05-09-17, 12:53
Ridiculous to think it is choking on a common commercially available ammo.
Of course, it is just a sample of one, but .... my Glocks have always shot anything I put in it. I think I could probably stuff musket balls into them and they would work.
I guess you missed the part where he said the ammo also caused problems in his Beretta. But, please, tell us more about your Glock.
Greg,
I was reading this statement from your post #74 - I still believe that it is solely a ammo problem since (a) I have had this malfunction in my Beretta with this lot of ammo and (b). the gun will not malfunction when I use Russian Steel, Blazer Aluminum, Fiocchi, Browning, Gold Dots, HST, etc. - and just to make sure I am reading this right are you saying that this gun also malfunctions with Gold Dots and HST's?
What is the exact Blazer Brass ammunition you are having FTE's with?
I fire my P320 quite frequently and have had a few failures to fire (deeply dented primers), and a few FTE's as you've shown, all with Blazer Brass 124gr. FMJ. All other ammunition I've used in my P320 has been flawless, to include cheapo WWB 115gr.
Seems like the definite issue is with the Blazer ammunition.
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-09-17, 18:40
The ammunition that I've been having a problem with 115 grain Blazer brass--out of a single order of 5000 rounds. The reason I'm not as concerned as might usually be is because the ammunition has been problematic in another gun that I know to be reliable . Besides being available at a very cheap price before the election ) should've been my first clu)e , it is severely tarnished and corroded . My current theory is that the heavy, lumpy, corrosion on the rim is keeping the extractor from gripping the rim.
No other ammunition has caused a single problem--and all of this has been from the same lot.
I have zero interest in defending this gun and I no fanboy of striker fired plastic guns. I just don't think there's a real issue here--but we will see.
Coal Dragger
05-09-17, 19:27
I'd be curious if the case rims on that ammunition are in spec dimensionally too. Corrosion on the case body will also likely cause it to be sticky in the chamber and more difficult to extract.
If you were feeling up to an experiment you could get some Flitz and polish some of the ammo in question. If you then achieved 100% function that would perhaps demonstrate that the corrosion is the issue causing the ammunition related malfunction.
556BlackRifle
05-09-17, 19:30
I recently picked up a 1K case and was thinking I should see if they have more at that price. (19 cents / round local pickup.) So far it's been awesome through my G19 and 26. (first 250) No case corrosion or discoloration observed so far.
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-09-17, 20:45
I just finished shooting all of that ammunition . I did keep a few examples of the cases I'll take pictures of them when I get home . Pretty much every round had some corrosion on it of some sort. It was on sale for less than $10 a box delivered before the election which was a killer price then .
There may be something to your theory about the rim dimensions because the rim was pretty chewed up on all of them
And let me also note that Blazer brass purchased from my local Academy sports is not corroded and runs fine I've been shooting it for years
Like I said it's hard for me to get too worked up when the gun digests raggedy ass tula and monarch steel.
Welp, I passed the 5000 round round mark today. I went ahead and gave it a scrub in celebration.
4. The finish is not standing up all that well in my opinion. Of course, it gets a lot of draws and not cleaning it means it has a nice coat of grit between it and the Kydex holster.
I'm curious if the finish will "freshen up" with a coat of oil. DLC coatings can look grayish, dull, and even chalky when dry.
Love reading these threads, and great pictures, thanks!
It looks like it pulled right off the rim. Adding some links. when u send it in, it appears Sig actually works on the guns, not just sending them back (glock?).
http://forums.brianenos.com/index.php?/topic/234213-p320-failure-to-extract/
http://sigtalk.com/p250-p320-modular-pistols/56222-p320-compact-failure-extract.html#/topics/56222?page=4
556BlackRifle
05-10-17, 09:12
I'm curious if the finish will "freshen up" with a coat of oil. DLC coatings can look grayish, dull, and even chalky when dry.
Love reading these threads, and great pictures, thanks!
My first holster was a BladeTech that was a tight fit. Within the first 20 presentations the slide was showing wear. (Note: Mine is in FDE) Since upgrading to the G&G holster, I haven't noticed any additional wear even with many hundred presentations.
That 22LR J-frame wont give ya FTEs. :p
My p320c eats my reloads like nobodies business. Suppressed or suppressed. Just finished another 1k. Loving this pistol.
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-21-17, 17:47
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Welp, the 320 is broke. OK, not really, but it is continuing to have failure to extract. I thought it was Blazer Brass, but nope. I ran some TULA crap ammo today and the exact same malfunction. My guess now is that the chamber is just so tight that this is going to be a consistent issue. It locked up so tight After I dropped the slide on the case that I hate to mortar it open.
Too bad. I was really enjoying shooting it today. I was getting good times, splits, etc. My buddy brought out his 320 .45 and we shot it and it was excellent. Very low perceived recoil. I plan to break out my hk45 and FNX for a comparison next week.
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I will call SIG tomorrow. Maybe they will give me a mailing label. LOL, I doubt it. But this is clearly a problem with the gun. I guess it is back to my beloved Beretta for now.
I guess while I am at it I will send the crappy Surefire XC1 back.
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Nightstalker865
05-21-17, 19:10
Thanks for the update Greg.
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I have the same FTE issues with my 9mm P320 Compact. Called Sig and they wanted a list of ammo brand names and grain weight fired through the gun and were supposed to be sending me an return label. Still haven't got it after 2 weeks. I need to call them again tomorrow.
Yeah, my P320C 9MM ate $hit ammo without complaint, aside from some erratic ejection of the Tula and Wolf.
I have the same FTE issues with my 9mm P320 Compact. Called Sig and they wanted a list of ammo brand names and grain weight fired through the gun and were supposed to be sending me an return label. Still haven't got it after 2 weeks. I need to call them again tomorrow.
Page 1 in SIG customer service, deny all problems and never offer a label.
Page 2, when pressed and forced to offer a label, don't send it until the problem customer calls back at least twice.
Page 3, COMBAT sight picture and BREAK-IN PERIOD will solve 95% of your customers problems.
When in doubt, repeat Page 3 often.
Sorry to hear that. Hope Sig gets you back up and running in short order. Nothing wrong with the pizza gun though!
What were your issues with the XC-1? Or did I miss it?
dwhitehorne
05-28-17, 18:53
I'm curious if the extractor spring just needs replacing. You said a few pages ago you are over 5000 rounds. I've got the armorer manual at work. I will have to look to see if it mentions a spring replacement schedule. I'm up over 3600 on my duty weapon and mine was made in 2015. Your newer model has a longer extractor spring guide behind the extractor spring to add more tension. David
Sorry to hear that. Hope Sig gets you back up and running in short order. Nothing wrong with the pizza gun though!
What were your issues with the XC-1? Or did I miss it?
Post 67 and 74, he talked about the battery problem.
Read the entire thread last night after picking up a full size TAC OPS with FO front sight. Good thread, a lot of shooting. Well done Greg.
PB
Greg, just curious as to what you think of the CZ SP01 compared to the others.
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-29-17, 19:21
I really, really loved mine. It was actually my beside the bed gun until some burglars snatched it (and my Wilson!!!:( ) It was fantastic. Nothing beats a heavy 9mm with a light trigger and a long sight radius. The trigger wasn't perfect, but it was very good
I have to say, the Beretta 92G-SD is a little smoother all around (and my buddy and I did a comparison and he also agreed the Beretta had smoother recoil), but you have to deal with DA/SA. As a straight-up shooter, I much prefer the CZ to the 320. That being said, the CZ (and the Beretta) are chunky and heavy for carry. I would prefer the 320 for carry.
Thanks for sharing. CZs have been totally off my radar until a few months ago. I recently picked up a Shadow 2, my first CZ. With my average sized hands/fingers, I can actually deal with the double action pull better than other DA/SA pistols, due to it's thin grips and well designed frame.
The Shadow 2 is more a competition gun and has a great trigger right out of the box. But yes, it's heavy and I wouldn't use it for a carry piece. It's quickly becoming my favorite for shooting.
dwhitehorne
06-08-17, 17:04
Any updates on the extractor. I'm in a firearms refresher course this week. We were shooting pretty well this afternoon. I had my first malfunctions today with well over 4000 rounds total through my pistol. We were conducting linear move and shoot drills with support hand only using the FLETC 98 grain Federal green ammo when I had two different stove pipes. I'm sure it was operator error as we put another few hundred rounds down range after that in other drills and I didn't have another issue. My gun was made in Sept 2015 and seems fine but I do clean it after every shooting session and keep it well lubed. I'm curious if Sig says anything about your extractor spring. David
98 grain ammo using one hand was the issue. Not enough juice and resistance to cycle the slide. Case closed.
The Dumb Gun Collector
06-08-17, 19:22
I have been jammed up at work so bad I haven't even called them yet. I will try and get going next week.
Don't buy any oxycodone on the corner of Mercer University Dr. and I-75 :)
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