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But that price....
Eurodriver
03-07-17, 06:53
Need to see the IR illum feature before any judgment can be made.
contax_shooter
03-07-17, 06:58
Right on time to utilize those tax refunds, gents.
Need to see the IR illum feature before any judgment can be made.
500 yards, it rocks! Vis green, 100 yards in a bright sunny day. We've been testing the new variant for over 2 months and were quite surprised by the performance of this Class 1 (PLUS).
Im curious what exactly makes it a plus, and did the FDA create a new class to the Mawl? Maybe I'm missing something here...
500 yards, it rocks! Vis green, 100 yards in a bright sunny day. We've been testing the new variant for over 2 months and were quite surprised by the performance of this Class 1 (PLUS).
Vic,
Do y'all do individual LEO pricing?
ETA: please say yes
Im curious what exactly makes it a plus, and did the FDA create a new class to the Mawl? Maybe I'm missing something here...
From Matt Meyers...
Class 1 Plus™ = Irradiance on Target
The power balance of infrared illumination and pointing irradiance at different ranges becomes critical as commercial night vision quality continually increases, which is why MAWL-C1+ brings settings specific for close range to long range target engagement. By utilizing a uniquely arrayed laser core, the MAWL-C1+ is able to incorporate a laser illuminator capable of outperforming other civilian legal laser systems on the market, and also outperforms many restricted devices. This provides the user with a distinctive and functional near infrared illuminator with unrivaled irradiance on target, allowing for positive identification of objects, the ability to surpass many photonic barriers, as well as faster target acquisition either on the range or in the field. On top of this, the visible green laser pointer in the MAWL-C1+ has selectable low-power settings for close range boresight precision that is also slaved to the near infrared pointers. Once the user has zeroed the visible green laser, the infrared lasers are also automatically zeroed, getting you into the field faster at night. By featuring centralized, co-aligned emitters, the MAWL ensures that all beams are simultaneously on target, regardless of distance.
Class 1 Plus™ = Beam Clarity
Our beam is our brand, and the incredibly smooth illumination quality of the MAWL-C1+ is the same as in the standard MAWL-DA, eliminating the distracting artifacts (a.k.a. greasy fingerprint spots) that many civilian and restricted laser devices possess. Not only does this clean energy performance improve your illumination of the target area, it makes low Figure-of-Merit (FOM) night vision devices look better by providing increased ambient and directional near infrared illumination.
Use What You Already Own
The MAWL is designed to be the best laser on the market, and works with and compliments a variety of other high-end systems. The MAWL-C1+ is designed to work with all MIL-STD/NSWC Crane Laser Lead remotes, which include the Unity Tactical/TNVC TAPS™ and TAPS Pro™ series remote cables, the SureFire SR07-D-IT, as well as L3 and Steiner remote activation cables. In addition to this, the MAWL series are designed to work in parallel with the SureFire M300 Mini-Scout Light® to maximize rail space efficiency.
Vic,
Do y'all do individual LEO pricing?
ETA: please say yes
On 95% of our products we do...Unfortunately for these units we do not.
On 95% of our products we do...Unfortunately for these units we do not.
Bummskies. At least we can finance with TNVC... I don't even have NODs and I want this.
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Bummskies. At least we can finance with TNVC... I don't even have NODs and I want this.
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No kidding. Performance wise it looks like it certainly delivers. Or at least as well as we can hope considering the restrictions in place.
Eurodriver
03-07-17, 19:00
500 yards, it rocks! Vis green, 100 yards in a bright sunny day. We've been testing the new variant for over 2 months and were quite surprised by the performance of this Class 1 (PLUS).
I've spent five figures with TNVC and plan to spend more so keep that in mind when reading my post - I'm not blasting, just concerned. Maybe you can help.
I've read a lot of hype about products that really didn't deliver. The ATPIAL-C is one such item. I've seen product demonstrations show a perfectly symmetrical circle on the ATPIAL-C and the imperfections were on ARFCOM when users wonder why they have blemishes and oblong shaped illuminators. But now the blemishes on the ATPIAL-C are being used (even though it isn't explicitly named) to illustrate the performance of the MAWL. Odd.
500 yards is a long way and a bold claim. I saw the pic on your site. I am all about pushing the boundaries of NV long distance shooting with an IR laser. I have access to a 600y range and regularly shoot out to 200. That is just about the absolute max anyone would be capable of reliably IDing and hitting a 2 legged predator with civilian legal units. I have, hand on the Bible, been firing at a 200y target only to have a buddy dicking around look through our FLIR and tell us to cease fire because there are deer around to the 250y mark that we could not see with our unaided PVS14s and weak ass illum (I2s and ATPIAL-Cs)
My point? The weak point in civilian legal IR gear has and always will be the illuminator. The fact that a civilian legal IR laser can reach 600y is nice, but totally irrelevant because you can't shoot that far for a whole number of reasons. However, with good IR Illumination (think D2) you can see damn near close to it and that is important for even more reasons.
Illum is what differentiates IR laser products for me and many other folks (I do not give a damn about the ergonomics of the MAWL as I currently use a tape switch for ergonomics with my laser up and out of the way anyway) and I feel like the manufacturers of civilian legal IR lasers have let me down in that regard in the past.
I'm not trying to spend $2,500 (that is three DBAL I2 single spectrums [that have fantastic <200y illuminators btw]) unless this is a no shit IR illumination game changer.
Is it?
dangrullon87
03-08-17, 06:50
I am going to wait to see a few reviews first due to the price point because that is quite steep compared to the competition.
There quite a few reviews online of the full power unit. The most interesting points all have to do w form factor and switching. I didn't catch the significance of the sliding thumb switch to select power and beam divergence. That's pretty impressive.
However the price is quite steep. With the DBAL-A4 being vaporware at this point, the MWAL-C is definitely the most interesting piece of civic friendly IR kit going.
Furbyballer
03-08-17, 13:43
Video put out by TNVC on the Mawl-C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnK94z1gVA
If we can fight against suppressor restrictions I fail to see why we can't do the same with IR devices..
dramabeats
03-08-17, 15:12
I've spent five figures with TNVC and plan to spend more so keep that in mind when reading my post - I'm not blasting, just concerned. Maybe you can help.
I've read a lot of hype about products that really didn't deliver. The ATPIAL-C is one such item. I've seen product demonstrations show a perfectly symmetrical circle on the ATPIAL-C and the imperfections were on ARFCOM when users wonder why they have blemishes and oblong shaped illuminators. But now the blemishes on the ATPIAL-C are being used (even though it isn't explicitly named) to illustrate the performance of the MAWL. Odd.
500 yards is a long way and a bold claim. I saw the pic on your site. I am all about pushing the boundaries of NV long distance shooting with an IR laser. I have access to a 600y range and regularly shoot out to 200. That is just about the absolute max anyone would be capable of reliably IDing and hitting a 2 legged predator with civilian legal units. I have, hand on the Bible, been firing at a 200y target only to have a buddy dicking around look through our FLIR and tell us to cease fire because there are deer around to the 250y mark that we could not see with our unaided PVS14s and weak ass illum (I2s and ATPIAL-Cs)
My point? The weak point in civilian legal IR gear has and always will be the illuminator. The fact that a civilian legal IR laser can reach 600y is nice, but totally irrelevant because you can't shoot that far for a whole number of reasons. However, with good IR Illumination (think D2) you can see damn near close to it and that is important for even more reasons.
Illum is what differentiates IR laser products for me and many other folks (I do not give a damn about the ergonomics of the MAWL as I currently use a tape switch for ergonomics with my laser up and out of the way anyway) and I feel like the manufacturers of civilian legal IR lasers have let me down in that regard in the past.
I'm not trying to spend $2,500 (that is three DBAL I2 single spectrums [that have fantastic <200y illuminators btw]) unless this is a no shit IR illumination game changer.
Is it?
The MAWL illuminator is miles better than the D2
Eurodriver
03-08-17, 15:48
The MAWL illuminator is miles better than the D2
Cool. Care to elaborate more? How much Time spent using it? Civilian version? Any pics? Do you own one?
I heard the same thing about the ATPIAL C so color me skeptical.
contax_shooter
03-09-17, 11:15
Transferring useful information from TNVC at TOS:
Originally Posted By TNVC:
Speaking of high power integration of superior IR illumination technology.....
Full power restricted PEQ-15 (hi/hi) on the left - MAWL C1+ (Long Range Fire Button A), on the right. Range to tree line, approx 350 - 370.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/ATPIAL_MAWL_C1_zpsq05aqphv.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/ATPIAL_MAWL_C1_zpsq05aqphv.jpg
So 7 months since the last post, any users of this care to update us w/ their day time vis usage & feedback?
Mr. Goodtimes
12-11-19, 16:42
I thought I would give this thread a bump. I purchased a MAWL recently and in my limited experience, between the ergonomics and performance, it's worth every penny. I haven't been able to compare it directly, side by side to a full power PEQ yet but from what I've seen in pictures and what I've seen in person, the pictures are fairly accurate, particularly the one posted above by Contax Shooter.
I spent around six hours the other night and into the early morning with mine, and even on a bright night with a near full moon and no cloud cover, the MAWL had no problems lighting up targets at 80m on the medium power/short setting; at that distance it looked like you were hitting the target with an M600df at about 50m. The beam pattern is extremely clean and diffused well. I was very skeptical as most civ power lasers are straight trash but BE Meyers really put some voodoo magic into this thing.
I don't have any NV photography equipment so this picture below is about the best I can swing until I can get back out into the woods and get some better equipment. The MAWL is on the medium/short setting, the house in the picture is around 20m and the white privacy fence is around 70m. The dot is washed out in the image because this was photographed with an iPhone but its clearly visible in person. This picture really doesn't do it justice.
https://i.imgur.com/5STH4Q1.jpg
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