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So far it seems like several injured. One officer stabbed and suspect is shot and in custody
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/british-parliament-on-lockdown-after-shooting-incident-outside/2017/03/22/668105b4-0f11-11e7-9b0d-d27c98455440_story.html?utm_term=.217da73f25e7
I'm curious if they have specific Parliament police who are armed. I can't see what the first officers on scene would do considering that very very few carry guns
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They are Met Officers assigned to the Parliament. They were the portcullis as third insignia rather than the crown as he crown isn't allowed in Parliament but same as the rest. They do have armed officers at posts around the palace.
In another incident 5 people were mowed down by a car on Westminster bridge. Unclear if incidents are related
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4338998/Police-open-fire-outside-House-Commons.htmlSent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk
Title is a bit misleading. I believe the only "shooting" was done by the police. The attackers used vehicles to plow into crowds & they had knives.
In another incident 5 people were mowed down by a car on Westminster bridge. Unclear if incidents are related
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Westminster Bridge and Westminster Palace are essentially the same place. Hard to say they aren't related IMO.
Westminster Bridge and Westminster Palace are essentially the same place. Hard to say they aren't related IMO.
That's how it was phrased
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This is more Children of Men crap.
Sci Fi angle aside, it was eerily prescient
This is more Children of Men crap.
Sci Fi angle aside, it was eerily prescient
Never saw the movie. Can the uninitiated get some insight?
In other news, Erdogan promises Europeans (and westerners in general) won't be safe on the streets if certain diplomatic disputes between Turkey and EU aren't resolved soon.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/22/erdogan-soon-europeans-will-not-walk-safely-streets/
Never saw the movie. Can the uninitiated get some insight?
In the not too distant future, the UK is the last stronghold of established government. The US is said to be in civil war, and is no longer a global presence. Some unkown phenomen is causing people to become infertile, and the world is panicking as babies are no longer getting conceived/born. The UK is increasingly fascist and craking down on refugees seeking asylum as the rest of the world collapses. Power struggles between government forces and gangs of migrants/supporters tear the neighborhoods apart. UK is pretty much a third world country- the wealthy are safe and living well while everyone else is fighting for survival.
platoonDaddy
03-22-17, 12:12
What I like about the Brits, they immediately called it a Terrorist Attack, friggin obama admin certainly wouldn't have.
Edit: great pictures from Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4338998/Police-open-fire-outside-House-Commons.html
The tool "Shepard" of FOX said a machete was used, shit it is just a friggin hunting knife.
Of course there were no warning signs. Oh wait....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Izzadeen
Of course there were no warning signs. Oh wait....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Izzadeen
One of the best things I've learned from reading The Gift Of Fear by Gavin DeBecker is there is no such thing as. "Random" attack.
One of the best things I've learned from reading The Gift Of Fear by Gavin DeBecker is there is no such thing as. "Random" attack.
The illusion of randomness makes the masses feel better which is part of their "It can happen to anyone anywhere so I'm not going to worry about" mentality. It's not helped at all by:
http://i.imgur.com/JXgUfzr.jpg
And...
http://i.imgur.com/S755vdA.jpg[/QUOTE]
Eurodriver
03-22-17, 14:04
That's a big ass Asian dude.
Guess the NFL is all asian dudes now too
Outlander Systems
03-22-17, 14:10
"ASIAN"
https://web.kma.go.kr/eng/images/weather/forecast/world_eng_map_01.gif
That's a big ass Asian dude.
Guess the NFL is all asian dudes now too
Eurodriver
03-22-17, 14:11
Obama - First Asian POTUS
That's a big ass Asian dude.
Guess the NFL is all asian dudes now too
Maybe part Samoan......
Outlander Systems
03-22-17, 14:13
LOL.
I'm curious if the "Asian" was East Asian, or West Asian...
These people dude. Trump was right. They can't say the ****in' words.
Obama - First Asian POTUS
Obama - First Asian POTUS
Kenya isn't in Asia....
Outlander Systems
03-22-17, 14:19
I'm surprised the, "Asian" wasn't wearing a MAGA hat, and shouting, "Hail Kek" before starting his rampage...
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-22-17, 14:33
3/22/16
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Brussels_bombings
Yep, random.
That's a big ass Asian dude.
Depending on who you ask, all or part of Russia is Asian.
Outlander Systems
03-22-17, 15:26
We should immediately change our pics to the Union Jack, and change our sigs to, "Pray for London."
Depending on who you ask, all or part of Russia is Asian.
That is correct. There used to be a common term used to describe Asian inhabitants of China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos and others as "orientals". I think it is politically incorrect to use that term now.
That attacker was not an oriental but he could very well be Asian.
Of course there were no warning signs. Oh wait....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Izzadeen
That is correct. There used to be a common term used to describe Asian inhabitants of China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos and others as "orientals". I think it is politically incorrect to use that term now.
That attacker was not an oriental but he could very well be Asian.
This says he was Jamaican
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Eurodriver
03-22-17, 17:09
I ain't seen too many Russian dudes looking like Ray Lewis but yeah whatever he's Asian I suppose.
I am confused about the whole identity thing :)
can I check both white and Hawaiian :) how can Hawaiians who never lived in Hawaii check Hawaiian ?
my buddy who moved from South Africa his family something like 400 years there he marked African when he got here :) he was told only blacks can be african ? then why not make it black ? that would be racist :) hahahahahah
but if you have never lived in Africa you are African ? you can live in Africa and be from there and not be African ?
yeah I have seen a few other sources before this start to call them Asian
Moose-Knuckle
03-23-17, 03:51
3/22/16
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Brussels_bombings
Yep, random.
Ah, I see someone was paying attention.
We should immediately change our pics to the Union Jack, and change our sigs to, "Pray for London."
https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3771/32788193943_83f4d9bc55_b.jpg
This says he was Jamaican
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And born in London. This identity stuff is exhausting.
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Depending on who you ask, all or part of Russia is Asian.
http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq169/bbossman1/russia%20russia%20russia_zpscp548ayq.jpg
We should immediately change our pics to the Union Jack, and change our sigs to, "Pray for London."
I'm surprised I haven't seen this yet. The body count must not be high enough for the effort.
contax_shooter
03-23-17, 08:42
Looks like the police are rocking Sig MCX' and some G36's. Nifty setups.
One MP5A3 spotted, surprisingly. In 2014, all of the armed security around the main touristy places were equipped with MP5's.
Looks like the police are rocking Sig MCX' and some G36's. Nifty setups.
One MP5A3 spotted, surprisingly. In 2014, all of the armed security around the main touristy places were equipped with MP5's.
Areas that generate $ and where important people in government must be protected, the rest of the rabble can fend for themselves it appears. No thanx.
Areas that generate $ and where important people in government must be protected, the rest of the rabble can fend for themselves it appears. No thanx.
As a buddy of mine said yesterday .... "Unarmed police only patrols peasant areas. The overlords are protected by real cops."
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RetroRevolver77
03-23-17, 10:02
Areas that generate $ and where important people in government must be protected, the rest of the rabble can fend for themselves it appears. No thanx.
I noticed in the comments on the Sun UK website, people pointed this out and some got down-voted for saying the same thing. Essentially these elites now know what the rest of the commoners feel that have zero or near zero police presence within their smaller towns and are in fear for their lives. The attacker was stopped by a firearm. Not by feels, not by equality, not by love, not by pandering- he was shot dead by a firearm and only then did the attacks stop. That is the only thing that should be taken from this entire scenario- the only thing that matters and it's ridiculous that a civilian who is forced to pay half their income in taxes within the UK isn't trusted to defend himself or herself with a firearm.
7n6
slightly OT, look at these poor cops! Are f-ing kidding me? Is that what people in the UK think cops should have to do? Be chased around by some nut with a knife like hapless idiots?
In the US, those first steps he takes toward them he would have been burned down from lead poisoning. I truly can't believe anyone in the UK or other euro countries consider are OK seeing that yet make any comments about US police. In the US, don't need 10 cops to deal with some POS like that, just one is needed.
After emerging from the vehicle, the attacker stabbed a police officer to death in this recent event. RIP officer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gLBJyBGUEs
Averageman
03-23-17, 10:29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gLBJyBGUEs
Cue up the Benny Hill music...
You see, that is the correct and humane way to subdue an excited citizen. No guns drawn (because no guns were issued), nobody died, the citizen was treated immediately and given a free ride to the health clinic for a check up. That's how it should be done in a civilized nation.
Cue up the Benny Hill music...
I can't fathom how anyone would be willing to be LE under such conditions or how anyone seeing that as a citizen would be OK with that.
You see, that is the correct and humane way to subdue an excited citizen. No guns drawn (because no guns were issued), nobody died, the citizen was treated immediately and given a free ride to the health clinic for a check up. That's how it should be done in a civilized nation.
They consider us inhumane and uncivilized. I/we consider them f-ing crazy.
Averageman
03-23-17, 11:14
They consider us inhumane and uncivilized. I/we consider them f-ing crazy.
At some point, other than the mentally ill perhaps, our criminal element understand "Someone with a gun is going to shoot you dead if you F' around too much in the wrong place."
So if the very people entrusted to keep the peace and to "protect and serve", can't be trusted to keep the peace with a gun, there will simply be no peace.
Really, I would like to see Mr. Stabby McKnifeslasher try that for about five seconds in Laredo Texas with a dozen Cops surrounding him.
It wouldn't end well for him and to be honest, what's wrong with a little 124 grain chlorine in the gene pool when it comes to these guys?
Outlander Systems
03-23-17, 11:22
https://youtu.be/Kb21_qI90pE
Cue up the Benny Hill music...
https://niels85.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/children-of-men-still.jpg?w=1024
Remember when this was Sci Fi?
WickedWillis
03-23-17, 12:25
Every time an MP5 is used to smoke a scumbag, an animal from those Sarah Mclachlan commercials is saved.
https://niels85.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/children-of-men-still.jpg?w=1024
Remember when this was Sci Fi?
That's Children of men. When in the middle of a firefight the girl comes out with an infant and all shooting stops! The black guy in front takes a knee and crosses himself, which he's in the process of doing in that still
https://youtu.be/YlTDUITiDcg
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https://youtu.be/Y5vmo_oUnJo
Indeed. And even in the midst of an actual human miracle, some arsehole will still scream "Allah Akbar" and toss an RPG at them and the firefight resumes thereby illustrating the point.
"Look, it's the first human born in 20 years. Oh well ALLAH AKBAR -BOOM!-"
I try to be open minded then people come along and close it for me.
So one guy with a knife and a Hyundai Tucson managed to kill 3 or 5 (depending on which report you hear) and maim 30 plus people before being stopped. Imagine 5 or more of them in a coordinated attack (all in one location, or multiple locations), what kind of chaos and damage would they be able to do before they're brought down.
Last week some nut job climbed the White House fence and roamed around the yard for 15 minutes before he was caught. Ex. Secret Service Dan Bongino said that in a team assault, the WH would be in serious trouble. Maybe not in as a dramatic scene as White House Down, but they certainly would wreck some havoc.
So one guy with a knife and a Hyundai Tucson managed to kill 3 or 5 (depending on which report you hear) and maim 30 plus people before being stopped. Imagine 5 or more of them in a coordinated attack (all in one location, or multiple locations), what kind of chaos and damage would they be able to do before they're brought down.
Last week some nut job climbed the White House fence and roamed around the yard for 15 minutes before he was caught. Ex. Secret Service Dan Bongino said that in a team assault, the WH would be in serious trouble. Maybe not in as a dramatic scene as White House Down, but they certainly would wreck some havoc.
Well it would help if they WH guys actually checked out the motion detector hits instead of assuming it was just animals. Then they come back with a solution for better electronic detection, seems what they had was just fine if they'd actually do their job.
Right now there are 10,000 cops working shit details who would love to land a gig like WH ground security and would literally be stalking the grounds like a LRRP.
Well it would help if they WH guys actually checked out the motion detector hits instead of assuming it was just animals. Then they come back with a solution for better electronic detection, seems what they had was just fine if they'd actually do their job.
Right now there are 10,000 cops working shit details who would love to land a gig like WH ground security and would literally be stalking the grounds like a LRRP.
What would help is if they'd stop running their personnel into the ground (agents and UD).
Are we here yet?
http://i.imgur.com/cM8reY9.png
Serious Question:
Lessay a bunch of people with money and guns "migrated" to these shitholes, wiped out every last trace of ISIS, made the land arable, the water potable, rebuilt all buildings to include banks, hospitals, schools, industries, churches, etc, and declare it the Secular Rupublic of Trumpovia (a Commonwealth of the USA)....
How long would it take for people to cry and scream "stolen land" and all these 'refugees'(who I no longer feel sorry for) make a cannonball run back to "reclaim" it?
They didn't stay and fight to begin with. Why start then?
They didn't stay and fight to begin with. Why start then?
Well they are certainly bringing the fight to us where they get a lawyer and humane treatment
Well they are certainly bringing the fight to us where they get a lawyer and humane treatment
We were probably talking about different sides of the equation.
platoonDaddy
03-23-17, 17:34
Haven't received any hits from other news sites:
BREAKING NEWS: 'Explosion' heard in Westminster as mourners pack Trafalgar Square for London terror attack vigil - Daily Mail
http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2017/03/23/gun-shots-and-explosion-heard-in-westminster-during-vigil/
Haven't received any hits from other news sites:
BREAKING NEWS: 'Explosion' heard in Westminster as mourners pack Trafalgar Square for London terror attack vigil - Daily Mail
http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2017/03/23/gun-shots-and-explosion-heard-in-westminster-during-vigil/
Not seeing anything in the news
ETA
This is all I could find
https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4343862/amp/Gun-shots-explosion-heard-Westminster.html
"Witnesses reported the explosion at 8.30pm tonight and police confirmed that they had found a package close to Downing Street.
A Met Police spokesman claimed that no explosion has taken place on Birdcage Walk, near where mourners have gathered for a vigil in Trafalgar Square."
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Averageman
03-23-17, 18:26
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html
Enoch Powell;
The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.
One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.
Neither subtle nor PC, he told them this was going to happen.
UK you cant buy pointy knives that easy ? wonder where he got that bad pointy knife ! and he surely did not turn his pointy knifes in at all the pointy knife bins they have !!!!
see if NOBODY had guns this would never happen :)
slightly OT, look at these poor cops! Are f-ing kidding me? Is that what people in the UK think cops should have to do? Be chased around by some nut with a knife like hapless idiots?
In the US, those first steps he takes toward them he would have been burned down from lead poisoning. I truly can't believe anyone in the UK or other euro countries consider are OK seeing that yet make any comments about US police. In the US, don't need 10 cops to deal with some POS like that, just one is needed.
After emerging from the vehicle, the attacker stabbed a police officer to death in this recent event. RIP officer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gLBJyBGUEs
What would help is if they'd stop running their personnel into the ground (agents and UD).
So much bingo. But hey who doesn't like forced 12s and all but one day off a pay period canceled. Never mind the garbage managers.. Er I mean incompetent leadership.
So one guy with a knife and a Hyundai Tucson managed to kill 3 or 5 (depending on which report you hear) and maim 30 plus people before being stopped. Imagine 5 or more of them in a coordinated attack (all in one location, or multiple locations), what kind of chaos and damage would they be able to do before they're brought down.
Last week some nut job climbed the White House fence and roamed around the yard for 15 minutes before he was caught. Ex. Secret Service Dan Bongino said that in a team assault, the WH would be in serious trouble. Maybe not in as a dramatic scene as White House Down, but they certainly would wreck some havoc.
Well it would help if they WH guys actually checked out the motion detector hits instead of assuming it was just animals. Then they come back with a solution for better electronic detection, seems what they had was just fine if they'd actually do their job.
Right now there are 10,000 cops working shit details who would love to land a gig like WH ground security and would literally be stalking the grounds like a LRRP.
So much bingo. But hey who doesn't like forced 12s and all but one day off a pay period canceled. Never mind the garbage managers.. Er I mean incompetent leadership.
Ya know, wasn't my intent to denigrate an entire agency but you know as well as I do that there are thousands of guys who pull similar shifts for far less pay and it is all traffic and crap like that. To your average State Trooper, WH ground security would be a dream gig.
And if you are lucky enough to score that job, when a motion detector is activated you don't automatically assume squirrels, you go check it out. 99% of the time it probably will be squirrels, but I guarantee you the ONE TIME you don't go personally verify it, it will be some nutjob. Better to take the walk and "squirrels confirmed" on radio and activity sheet.
Ya know, wasn't my intent to denigrate an entire agency but you know as well as I do that there are thousands of guys who pull similar shifts for far less pay and it is all traffic and crap like that. To your average State Trooper, WH ground security would be a dream gig.
And if you are lucky enough to score that job, when a motion detector is activated you don't automatically assume squirrels, you go check it out. 99% of the time it probably will be squirrels, but I guarantee you the ONE TIME you don't go personally verify it, it will be some nutjob. Better to take the walk and "squirrels confirmed" on radio and activity sheet.
I don't disagree. But what did make it into the media wasn't entirely accurate nor the entire story.
I don't disagree. But what did make it into the media wasn't entirely accurate nor the entire story.
Fair enough. Dollars to donuts it was also something like "the one knucklehead" who can't quite seem to do the job like everyone else creating headlines for everyone else in the group. I typically give LE the benefit of the doubt but when you land a job at the WH it's a lot like being that .005% of high school basketball players who are actually going to the NBA, and if you try and blame failures on electronic equipment it's a lot like trying to blame your NBA failures on your shoes or the PSI of the ball.
I have absolute faith that had it been you, even on the end of your 4th 12 hour shift in a row, you'd have checked out a motion detector hit and a mentally challenged individual wouldn't have spent 5 minutes on the other side of the fence unescorted let alone 15 minutes or whatever it was. I'm actually amazed he wasn't met at the fence, I'd assume there would be perimeter cameras all over the place and somebody with a radio watching the perimeter fence at all times.
I know some 7-11 owners who got the armed robbery call into 911 before the individuals even got in the store because the owners were watching the parking lot cameras. If it can work for 7-11 it can work for the USSS.
Moose-Knuckle
03-24-17, 02:45
And born in London. This identity stuff is exhausting.
Don't worry, CNN is on it!
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2902/33462422922_5a8a97f3c7.jpg
So Khalid Masood was investigated by MI5 some years ago over concerns of violent extremism.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/03/24/WESTMINSTER-terrorist-split-NEWS-small_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpg
Outlander Systems
03-24-17, 16:53
At least the miserable ****s at MI5 can high five themselves over, "not being racist."
So Khalid Masood was investigated by MI5 some years ago over concerns of violent extremism.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/03/24/WESTMINSTER-terrorist-split-NEWS-small_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpg
So evidently there is no Section 20 shoving Vz 58s up arses and wasting shitsticks....
At least the miserable ****s at MI5 can high five themselves over, "not being racist."
I wouldnt get all excited about that till we get some details on what he was being investigated for. If he was reading stuff on the internet but hadnt done anything illegal what were they supposed to do?
Outlander Systems
03-24-17, 17:49
We have the tools. We have the talent.
If you're being investigated for "violent extremism," let the Classified Programs take the wheel, and have a camera up his sphinchter.
If he so much as sneezes, an analyst gets a notification of the exact fluid ounces of sputum he excreted.
dwhitehorne
03-24-17, 17:53
Radio show this morning was saying he had been locked up twice before for stabbing people and had a charge for prohibited weapons(knives). They also said he was a 52 year old teacher with a wife and three kids. The criminal profilers can't check any of the boxes with this guy. David
You all realize these people are gonna be sleepers until they finally decide to do something. You know that right?
These people are all going to be employed and low profile.
Everyone thinks it's some loudmouth going on. Nope. Those people want attention.
These people want to kill you. They all have one inconvenient thing in common.
They will lay low and hide behind all the bleeding hearts until it is time to make hearts bleed.
They see us as weak and perverse. It is their job to wipe us out. Upset our way of life. Force upon us acceptance of bizarre things and rituals we would have laughed off years ago.
Eventually a lot of Western places will end up like Israel. Obnoxious calls to prayer on a loudspeaker all day, random attacks, SSDD.
America is big. 50,000 is 50,000 too many but unlike Europe we are an angry, cruel, and violent nation.
Plus hoods tend not to mind shooting some cashiers over others based on "you on that Allah shit....BANG"
Which is sad, because the world needs Muslim Luther yesterday because when tolerance fails comes the wrath.
When the same people do the same stuff it breeds resentment.
I wouldnt get all excited about that till we get some details on what he was being investigated for. If he was reading stuff on the internet but hadnt done anything illegal what were they supposed to do?
http://rollingout.com/2016/10/15/fbi-arrests-3-white-terrorists-planning-bomb-black-community-kansas/
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/11/28/fbi%E2%80%99s-phony-white-supremacy-gang-nets-arrest-vinlander
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/11/03/member-racist-skinhead-group-aryan-strikeforce-arrested-gun-and-drug-charges
https://usnews.newsvine.com/_news/2012/05/08/11601679-white-supremacists-accused-of-planning-for-race-war-in-florida
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/10/us/white-supremacist-bomb-plot-virginia-fbi/
http://rollingout.com/2016/10/15/fbi-arrests-3-white-terrorists-planning-bomb-black-community-kansas/
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/11/28/fbi%E2%80%99s-phony-white-supremacy-gang-nets-arrest-vinlander
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/11/03/member-racist-skinhead-group-aryan-strikeforce-arrested-gun-and-drug-charges
https://usnews.newsvine.com/_news/2012/05/08/11601679-white-supremacists-accused-of-planning-for-race-war-in-florida
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/10/us/white-supremacist-bomb-plot-virginia-fbi/
All these guys were caught supposedly planning to do violent acts. I have no compassion for asshats wanting to hurt innocent people, but I have even less compassion for a thought police. Lived it once and dont ****ing want any part of it EVER again. If the asian guy in London had a violent past then MI5, Scotland Yard failed miserably at protecting their subjects. If they knew he was planning some violent activity then they are screwed as well. If all he did was read a bunch of ISIS loonacy then there really isnt much they could have done.
I have more faith in my G19 than I do a thousand political hacks trying to decide what is radical and what isnt.
All these guys were caught supposedly planning to do violent acts.
And most of them were part of an actual investigation where they were compromised by CI's or facilitated into believing they were part of an action plan by investigating agencies. And that is kind of my point, we could do the same thing with people who are becoming radicalized but haven't actually committed a crime yet.
If they prove to be angry internet people who wouldn't actually harm anyone, then close the case and move on. But it they say "Yeah, let's plant a bomb" then by all means provide them with fake IED's and target areas.
We always seem to miss the Boston bombers, the Orlando shooters and the rest despite the fact that we often had some rather significant warnings and heads up, but somehow we never fail to grab that groups of 12 skinheads who were going to take over the entire country.
Moose-Knuckle
03-25-17, 02:28
http://rollingout.com/2016/10/15/fbi-arrests-3-white-terrorists-planning-bomb-black-community-kansas/
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/11/28/fbi%E2%80%99s-phony-white-supremacy-gang-nets-arrest-vinlander
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/11/03/member-racist-skinhead-group-aryan-strikeforce-arrested-gun-and-drug-charges
https://usnews.newsvine.com/_news/2012/05/08/11601679-white-supremacists-accused-of-planning-for-race-war-in-florida
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/10/us/white-supremacist-bomb-plot-virginia-fbi/
And you win the internet for the day.
Funny. I was on the facebooks a couple days ago and came across some dudes freaking out that this guy was described as Asian. Tongue firmly in cheek I pointed out that the Middle East is indeed in Asia. You should have seen the shit show that started. HAHAHA. I learned that day that I am propagating the PC leftist narrative and that Im an idiot who is ignoring the threat of Islamic terrorism. Some people man.
And most of them were part of an actual investigation where they were compromised by CI's or facilitated into believing they were part of an action plan by investigating agencies. And that is kind of my point, we could do the same thing with people who are becoming radicalized but haven't actually committed a crime yet.
If they prove to be angry internet people who wouldn't actually harm anyone, then close the case and move on. But it they say "Yeah, let's plant a bomb" then by all means provide them with fake IED's and target areas.
We always seem to miss the Boston bombers, the Orlando shooters and the rest despite the fact that we often had some rather significant warnings and heads up, but somehow we never fail to grab that groups of 12 skinheads who were going to take over the entire country.
Not disagreeing with you per se. I have no clue what the Brits did or didn't do when they had this guy, so I'm not going to throw them under the bus just yet.
I'm also not naive enough to believe that PC asshattery keeps all of our LEO from being as effective against Islamic terrorism as they should be.
Outlander Systems
03-25-17, 09:58
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/20/fbi-to-release-partial-transcript-between-orlando-nightclub-gunman-and-police.amp.html
https://www.google.com/amp/freebeacon.com/national-security/homeland-security-report-calls-rejecting-terms-jihad-sharia/amp/
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/25/obamas-cleansing-of-islamic-terms-suppresses-commo/
I'm also not naive enough to believe that PC asshattery keeps all of our LEO from being as effective against Islamic terrorism as they should be.
All these guys were caught supposedly planning to do violent acts. I have no compassion for asshats wanting to hurt innocent people, but I have even less compassion for a thought police. Lived it once and dont ****ing want any part of it EVER again. If the asian guy in London had a violent past then MI5, Scotland Yard failed miserably at protecting their subjects. If they knew he was planning some violent activity then they are screwed as well. If all he did was read a bunch of ISIS loonacy then there really isnt much they could have done.
I have more faith in my G19 than I do a thousand political hacks trying to decide what is radical and what isnt.
"I'd say more relavent than ever. As the man said:
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
I don't want to see our mil or LE dealing with these threats with their hands tied as they often are, but it's a fast slippery slope when you just start using national security as a justification for thought police which historically translated into more than thoughts but actions, and action against innocent people, political rivals and so forth. One of my all time favorites:
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.
And most of them were part of an actual investigation where they were compromised by CI's or facilitated into believing they were part of an action plan by investigating agencies. And that is kind of my point, we could do the same thing with people who are becoming radicalized but haven't actually committed a crime yet.
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Have they not done that with some already? I assume their lawyer will scream entrapment, but it seems to me they are only giving the person enough rope hang themselves. Now the poor business man who has a women ask him back to his room for a romp for some $$ at the bar, then shows up to be arrested, that seems clearly entrapment, but seems to pass muster in courts, so wadda I know.
Have they not done that with some already? I assume their lawyer will scream entrapment, but it seems to me they are only giving the person enough rope hang themselves. Now the poor business man who has a women ask him back to his room for a romp for some $$ at the bar, then shows up to be arrested, that seems clearly entrapment, but seems to pass muster in courts, so wadda I know.
Some, but not enough. And they really don't seem to put the same effort into the guys who do actual big things even though opportunity was there. Hell the Russians warned us about Tsarnaev guy and we looked into and found nothing.
I'm also not naive enough to believe that PC asshattery keeps all of our LEO from being as effective against Islamic terrorism as they should be.
There has been a TON of PC asshattery going on for the last 8 years in the US. Database scrubbing, "hands off" lists, "sensitivity" masking their true motives, internet video protest...
Moose-Knuckle
03-26-17, 05:00
Some, but not enough. And they really don't seem to put the same effort into the guys who do actual big things even though opportunity was there. Hell the Russians warned us about Tsarnaev guy and we looked into and found nothing.
This. How many "no go" islamic enclaves are in the us where they have active para-military drills being conducted?
The Orlando nightclub shooter had a coworker report him for racist, homophobic, and violent rhetoric and nothing was done because of political correctness. Same for the San Bernardino shooters, CA LE even knew him by name over the radio (per released transcripts) so they knew who he was from tips/prior investigations but didn't act because he was muslim of Middle East descent.
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